More Squeals From Goodrich
UPDATE: Here is Goodrich as reported by Brian Martinez at the Register:
Fullerton police Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said drivers have been holding down their horns continuously for a quarter-mile up and down Commonwealth and Highland. He said the department received numerous complaints from nearby residents, businesses and park-users about the excessive honking and other instances of disturbing the peace such as yelling at and approaching drivers who don’t honk their horns.
Another outright Goodrich lie to the stupid. A quarter mile? Lie. Highland has been blocked off. A quarter mile south would take you under the tracks and past Truslow. A quarter mile east or west on Commonwealth would take you Richman or Harbor, respectively. Of course the trough feeding media are too dumb to even question any of Goodrich’s claims and absurd statements. So we’ll do it for them.
According to Marisa Gerber at the OC Weekly Fullerton cops started handing out tickets to motorists who showed their support for today’s protest. Fortunately some concentrated verbal rebuke from the protesters directly in front of the FPD building resulted in the cops beating a hasty retreat.
Goodrich says the police department has received “numerous complaints from residents and businesses” about the protesters in the past few weeks. The department received a complaint from one motorist who said their kids were frightened by a protester running in the streets.
“The question was being asked of us why were allowing protesters to flagrantly violate the law,” Goodrich says, adding that the department has worked to give protesters some “latitude”. The police department contacted protest organizers last night, and again this morning, to ask for cooperation, he says.
And, by-the-way, thanks awfully for “working” to give us “latitude” to exercise our Constitutional rights, Sergeant Slime Trail.
Coming from the department spokesassclown who has deceitfully spun portly pirouettes around all the reports of serial law violations perpetrated by his fellow union brothers and sisters in the past few months, it’s now impossible for any objective person to believe a damn thing that emanates from this baboon’s yapper.
Now, here’s a question being asked of us at FFFF: can the FPD and the City be so detached from reality that they believe the jackass Goodrich is in any way doing them any good? I guess that question really answers itself.
First!!!!!
Really??? You FFFF idiots have nothing better to do than whine about anything and everything!!! Give me a f’n break!!! You guys are a bunch of f’n morons!!!!
I guess arrogance and elitism is growing rampant at FPD. I wonder what would happen if we started calling complaining about our rights being violated. We can’t give in inch to this corrupt boys club. It’s time to restart and fire them all!
Also, black people steal.
Joe, really??? Thats all you got??? What a waste of time!!!!! You FFFF idiots are too much!! I just love how you guys write about pointless issues! That’s about 1 minute of my life I can never get back! I am much dumber know for reading that!! Keep up the good work!!! Really???
Really, Really ??????!!!!!????? That’s the best you got?????????
I guess the posts can’t be that “pointless” and “idiotic” if you feel the need to keep commenting on them and calling everyone an idiot over and over and using way too much punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! (must make up for your deficiency in another area, eh “tiny” !!!!!!!???????????)
P.S. — Please leave this site for your own good……….. You barely function as an adult now, so if you get “much dumber” you will be on the same level as most of the FPD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save us again, you prove my point that you FFFF freaks are just a bunch of idiots That are so easly distracted, it is just a matter of time before all you morons find the next big story to support and focus on!!!!
We love you, too, Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really, we do, you f’n teddy bear !!!!!!!
I’m just thankful to be part of such a fine group of “morons,” even if we are “easily distrac…. (Is that a squirrel outside my window?????????????????)
I spelled now wrong!!! And I am sure that is all you FFFF idiots will focus on. Because you are all so simple minded!!! Bring it on bitches!!! Haha
Really:::::::::::
Really??????? You spelled a f’n word wrong, you f’n moron???????????????? I don’t f’n believe it!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahaha.
Well, have a great f’n Sunday anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
The simple-minded f’n moron bitches
P.S. — Thanks a f’n lot for bringing your stupendous intellect and unrivaled love of end punctuation to the FFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone running to replace the victims (hopefully) of the upcoming recall election should sign a pledge to work tirelessly to outlaw police unions. They are the root of the problem. They preach resentment, breed corruption, and concentrate power in the hands of a shadow government – complete with guns and all related tools of repression. Police and union power are a toxic mixture and must be outlawed.
You can’t touch a police union. Just sayin. They are a private entity and clearly the reason they are there is clear from your post alone. If they weren’t, people like you would violate the rights of cops all the time. Police unions serve their purpose as much as you hate them. Good cops need protection.
The problem isn’t the union part; it’s the police part. They have too much power, union or not. It’s not good for them, either. To be in such a position that you see yourself as above society has a corrosive effect on one’s sense of right and wrong. Forget morality… I’m talking about basic humanity.
For their own good, we should take away most of their power. They should have only so much authority as it takes for them to be able to do their job with the approval and support of the populace. They shouldn’t be so powerful that they can “do their job” even with losing the goodwill of the community. They should all be afraid and ashamed, begging for forgiveness — not harassing the people who have the courage to demand that they take responsibility for the actions of their fellow gang members.
True. That’s the power they have now. I think you just want more citizen say so in police decisions. That’s what you have a city manager and city council for. So if a city is run right, the citizen voice and involvement should be clear. If it’s not, then changes need to be made at that level.
“The problem isn’t the union part; it’s the police part.”
This is completely wrong. The cops have power because civilian authority abdicates it to them. It does this because the police union can get their puppets elected.
RECALL JONES, BANKHEAD AND MCKINLEY!!!
The rest of the comment I agree with.
To be sure, the union is a tool that the Police use to carry out the sort of puppet-electing you speak of. But one doesn’t need a union to do that. The Chamber of Commerce isn’t a union, but they do the same thing, for instance.
A gang of guys with guns, badges, uniforms, and virtual immunity from prosecution hardly need a union to make the necessary power plays to keep city corruption in their favor. It’s a quid-pro-quo between wealthy interests, politicians, and law enforcement. And, as with all things in our country, the real shot-callers are the wealthy interests. Or wasn’t Kelley murdered because he was “bad for business”?
I think you’re both right. The problem isn’t only the police being unionized, of course, the “virtual immunity from prosecution” part is the more serious problem. But the unionization enables them to operate as a secretive criminal enterprise to a greater extent than they might otherwise be able. It also allows them to fund elections.
Some people are treating me with ignorance on facebook, even though it is eminently clear what side I am on. I criticized Slidebar for having a band named “DEATHFACE” play at their club, I was not “spamming” to promote Slidebar, it is obvious that I was criticizing Slidebar, and my posts on the event page said more than enough which made that clear, even “BOYCOTT SLIDEBAR CAFE”, if that is not clear enough that I was not spamming slidebar to promote them, rather than actually criticizing them and their having (band) “DEATHFACE” play there, which is what I was actually doing, instead, then nothing is. So I was attacked on one of the Kelly Thomas facebook Groups (a big one) by Eric Ridenour, and then Group Admin Chris Fredrickson agreed and removed me. It was very ignorant. It is very clear by my MANY posts on ALL the Kelly Thomas pages and groups at facebook what side I am on. It is clear their judgement of me was quick and shallow and incorrect. It is clear I was not promoting Slidebar. It is clear I was criticizing Slidebar. Eric Ridenour probably won’t admit his mistake. Chris Fredrickson probably won’t admit his mistake. They owe me an apology! Zeek Levine (also one who replied to the comments) did respond to me and admitted what I said was true and added me as a friend. Eric Ridenour & Chris Fredrickson acted in complete ignorance. I wonder if they are big enough men to admit to making a mistake? Maybe it was a misunderstanding? They certainly did not check anything. It certainly was very hasty judgement they used. It has been obvious that I have posted a lot on all the relevant pages and groups at facebook. It is very obvious that I was not promoting or spamming Slidebar. It is obvious that I was criticizing Slidebar. It is obvious Eric Ridenour & Chris Fredrickson acted in total ignorance in attacking me as if I had spammed Slidebar. I did not. I have to wonder whether they are big enough men to admit to their misunderstanding and mistake. Eric Ridenour & Chris Fredrickson are the ones who owe me an apology. Thank you. – Philip Dru
Citations for honking??
Man, I wish I had got one of those citations. Hello, Mr. Mardirossian? Got a first amendment suit to add to your quick-growing list of lawsuits against the FPD.
Way to tase yourselves in the foot there morons!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8ljDwUq3Y&feature=related
a horn worth tooting 🙂
Yes, the Fullerton Police Department and the Fullerton City Council are indeed, totally detached from reality. They merely believe their own deluded concepts of themselves. And they need to be removed and replaced by people who are competent, give a damn, know the difference between right and wrong and act accordingly, and care at all what they do. They do not fit that descrioption and they are a shame to all of Fullerton. So big changes are needed to fix the very serious problems. Those sad individuals who are detached from reality do not belong in any part of Fullerton’s future.
The question the author asked was”why is this sack of bovine excrement still employed?” That is easy to answer. He is protected by various state of California public employment laws, protected by his police union and protected by 3 members of the city council with the help of the mayor. That is the basic problem here. Thus he can lie at will, knowing that his legal fees will be paid for by the Union and /or the City of Fullerton.
He does so well lying that Mr. Goodrich could get a job working for Ghadaffi, if he is still in office. Or maybe he is working for the police chief of Fullerton, oops he caught the blue flu and is out on sick leave!
Paul, as I inferred, the question was rhetorical.
I don’t really care if Goodrich walks a beat on Truslow or patrols the restrooms at Hillcrest Park. I’m sick and tired of this fat slob lying with impunity as an official city spokesman. He’s a union goon whose first loyalty is to his comrades, and his last loyalty is to truth.
He was also the cowardly turd who paid Silver, Silver Wexler, Levine and Silver to send a threatening letter to FFFF when he knew the nasty truth about Kenton Hampton all along.
I hope that some of the folks speaking at the City Council meeting will start to demand his removal.
Why isn’t spokesidiot cited for ‘illegal use of the media?’
They caught SWINE Flu!
Hum, would citation for honking, in support of a public demonstration, rise to denial of the First Amendment Right to Free Speach? If it were my citation think I’d hire a hungry attorney.
Yeah, I would have gotten a lawyer for that one too. Do these people THINK???? I know what the answer is, but think a little, PD!
Isn’t lying to the public some sort of violation of the oath a cop takes? Oops! I guess perjury would be too!
Hahaha!
It was actually funny. I think I could have handed Hughes 3 tickets for speeding in Newport Beach at that moment and he would taken care of them for me.
So Hughes came out and stopped this? In an appropriately contrite manner?
Like FEDUP, I’d like to know who was responsible for giving the order in the first place.
It was a smarmy little piece of work with 4 stripes on his sleeve, appropriately named Commander Sikko!
Really chris???? You are an idiot!!! great post !!!!
“portly pirouettes”
Ha ha! I immediately thought of the dancing hippo from Fantasia.
YOU DID GOOD ,LOVE AND GOD BLESS THE GOOD PEOPLE OF FULLERTON.
A typical Saturday in Fullerton since the death of Kelly Thomas;
Protesters: ” What do we want, Justice. When do we want it, Now.
Residents near Fullerton Police Department: “What do we want, to make a left turn. When do we want it , NOW !!!!!!!!”
Please, let us go on with our lives, please do not penalize us because we live near the Police Department.
Really? You can’t turn on Malden? Poor put upon baby.
In order to get on with your life you’re going to need to get one first.
You would not be making a comment if you did not have to deal with it. I have changed my route every Saturday to get to the east side of Fullerton . So THE FULLERTON HARPOON…… bite me. I agree that the demonstration is needed but don’t penalize the Fullerton Citizens that live south of the Commonweath. You sit through three signal lights while some walks “SLOWLY” in front of your car yelling for you to honk.
PJ-are you actually whining about the traffic on saturdays and how inconvienced you are by us? really? So you would rather that everything just quietly went away, that no one gave a rats ass about the murder of a man at the hands of the police in your hood and the continued cover ups? the continued violation of your civil rights by these maniacs – just as long as you can drive your car on saturdays without having to change your route?
Get used to it, cause until there is some answers to the murder at the hands of those legalized mobsters you are going to have to change routes-or you can join us
I’d suggest that you go a block down to Chapman avenue going east instead. It’s really a minor inconvenience for something so important as civil justice.
SECENT YOU live so close to the police dept.,you need to be out there with the FFFF to help save your city from the goun,s that are killing and lieing to put people like you in jail HELLO !
PJ – you’re going to just get completely and totally slammed for that remark. And you deserve it. But I’m going to try to be nice and just explain something to you:
Nobody is happy about the delays you might suffer leaving or driving back to your home near the Fullerton Police station each Saturday for a few hours, unfathomably miniscule though they must be.
However, given the larger picture of Fullerton’s homeless extermination unit being housed in that very same station, perhaps you might want to admit that the enormity of the crime and cover-up we are protesting rather dwarfs the mild hindrances which result.
You might want to just walk out of your house down the street and join your neighbors in seeking justice.
I know that but come on people, you want to get your message across to people but all you are doing is pissing peopel off that nned to travel that way . I understand what your are all saying but don’t penalize the people that live in the area. fight on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are being penilized by those nazi’s in the FPD not us– what is it you want us to do?
You are inconvenienced? I’ve driven past them before and I have never once been inconvenienced as I drove by. In fact, I’ll happily make a left turn in front of the station next week and film it to make a point that you are whining over NOTHING.
Ohhhh boo hoo boo hoo….
what do you want us to do PJ?
PJ you a cop?
I agree with you PJ. Please come join us on Saturday PJ so we can get this over with. The more people, the more pressure, the more likely the DA will grant the six suspect cops the same protections under the law as you or I, not more. The more people, the more pressure, the more likely the leadership in the police department, as well as city hall will step down. Perharps you will even be part of saving the next family from having to go through this. Then, and not before, you can go back to making left turns without looking at our faces, and I can go back watching English Premiere League games on Saturday morning. More importantly, the Thomas family can start putting their lives back together. Let know if you are down, I’ll bring a sign, some sunscreen, and a water for you. I really miss my Saturdays.
Can someone please explain the difference between honking and “leaning on the horn”???
I think I am potentially guilty 🙂
What is the legal duration of uninterrupted sound waves sent from the offending vehicle in terms of defining a “lean” to cause the offense to merit a citation from a peace officer?
I have not been to down Fullerton, since the KT story broke. I guess Mr Good let it be known, that it is still not safe. So I will stay away from all my favorite eateries until Mr. Good gives the all clear. How many others are staying away. I hope some of the good eateries can make it through these hard times. As Mr. Good said it is scarey. for the kids.
You are missing something, I went and it is a beautiful site to behold; the protest and the memorial.
The drive is well worth it.
I thought so too. You won’t regret the drive. Trust me.
I know-it must be tough- 6 whole hours once a week-its hell
It is scary for the kids? No, it is clearly a MISSED OPPORTUNITY by the parents to begin educating their children about the Constitution and Bill of Rights, America is founded upon, the Proud History of this great nation that tracked down Osama bin Ladin for murdering 5,000 + people in the Twin Towers, and Civic Responsibility by all citizens. It sounds like those parents are too lazy to help their children grow into responsible civic-minded adults, probably because they are TOO LAZY to be responsible civic-minded adults themselves. If they were Responsible American Citizens, they would park their cars and get their kids out to walk along with the other protesters. What a magnificent opportunity to provide your children a solid foundation in understanding what this great nation is built upon and stands for to the rest of the world!
The Declaration of Independence states: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
While walking along with the protesters how beautiful it would be to see parents informing their children our Proud Heritage and getting them to discuss what they were learning and express their own opinions. What a sad SAD missed opportunity.
But, No, the SCHOOLS are responsible to educate our kids, WE are too busy and too important to be involved in our children’s education. So, “shut up kids and stay down low in the back seat until we can get past all these crazy protesting Americans!”
Anyone complaining about their kids being frightened by the protesters does not deserve the Rights guaranteed for them by the US Constitution which the protesters are demonstrating for. All men are created equal, even the homeless and mentally ill. Freedom and Justice for all, except protesters and horn honkers, of course. Shame, shame, shame!
Although I didn’t expain this to my children quite as eloquently as you did here on the FFFF blog Xer, this is essentially what I told my children and why I’ve brought my children along with me to these protest whenever possible. A textbook can only go so far and a picture is worth a thousand words, however seeing democracy in action is both electrifying and extremely gratifying for my whole family.
Fullerton Lover,
Don’t know if your kids are aware yet, but someday they will realize they are lucky to have you for a parent. Sounds like you are raising them to be good people, and good citizens.
That is the greatest compliment I have ever received Xer and Tracey, and I truly appreciate your kind words.
I completely agree Xer.
Tracey, always a pleasure to meet like minded folks.
Just because you think they broke the doesn’t mean you can. Be ready for cuffs as well if you think you are going to push the law. There are citizens in this city that want your group gone and if you rise to the level of breaking laws we are demanding the PD take action like we did today.
27001. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn.
(b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with Section 28085) of this chapter.
Amended Ch. 993, Stats. 1977. Effective January 1, 1978.
Oh geez. Come out publicly and demand action PUBLICLY if you are so upset. You are probably a puppet of the PD.
Federal lawsuit against city that tried to ban honking at political demonstrations:
http://www.firstamendmentonline.org/news.aspx?id=18383
Way to lose with your first shot, bitch.
+1
love it Jt, ACLU, here we come violate our 1st amendment , will you ? they are some stupid Nazi’s arent they?
Sorry, but the ACLU is kinda busy at the moment defending some racist gadfly kook who claims to represent “nearly 900 elderly white people,” and who seems to have a big problem with “cowardly Vietnamese who fled” instead of staying to “fight communism.” Apparently members of the OC board of supervisors, including a pregnant Janet Nguyen, America’s first ever Vietnamese-American county supervisor, were pissed off enough by this idiot that they cut him off during a sups meeting awhile back.
The kookmeyer had also previously likened the sup’s clerk to “the commander of a concentration camp” and went on to say, “She is just following the orders of her bosses.”
Maybe when they get done sticking up for this unstable moron the ACLU can spare a few minutes for justice for Kelly Thomas. I know they are awfully busy.
Such strange times we live in.
I don’t see the rationale for your tirade against the ACLU. We’re trying to be non-political, remember? Something I’ve seen you advocate.
SoCal ACLU has said this: http://www.aclu-sc.org/blog/tag/kelly-thomas/
Hmm, I guess my coupla paragraphs does seem like a tirade compared to the four short sentences the ACLU has offered up at your link in support of justice for Kelly.
Oh and, what exactly is ‘political’ in pointing out the irony in the SoCal ACLU’s aggressive legal defense of a local white racist gadfly kook, while we are protesting, in the streets and online, the recent murderous police beatdown of a scared, defenseless, mentally ill homeless man?
Strange times indeed, most peculiar mama.
Whose side are you on? You bitch about this blog attacking Repuglicans but offer your own critiques of whichever liberals you hold responsible for society’s evils. And mostly you sound off about how wonderful the DA is. You sound increasingly like some kind of LEO or Repug shill to me.
Click the damn links on the ACLU page to see their full statements Luddite, and don’t call me mama.
Most importantly focus on who the enemy is. It’s not people who criticize the DA, or dare to attack your
fave Repugs, or the ACLU, or people who disgree with your overwrought screeds and dare to challenge the factual basis for your far-too-frequently weakly supported assertions.
What side am I on? Seriously? Why does there have to be sides? What’s wrong with just being an advocate for justice and understanding instead of us versus them polemics and poorly thought out conspiracy theories?
When I first came to FFF I read over and over “release the video, release the video.” In the spirit of furthering understanding, I pointed out repeatedly that the DA was doing the right thing in saving the video for the jury. If that video is as shocking as many of us think it is, then the DA should do everything he can to assure that the jury’s first viewing is as close to the start of deliberations as possible. Tactically it’s the smart thing to do. The alternative is to release it now and give jurors a year or more to get over it, and for the opposition to pick it apart, as we saw in the King case. A lot of people here now seem to get that concept, but I guess others would prefer to continue to assert that keeping the video private for now is part of some grand conspiracy.
Now I read over and over that the DA is guilty of foot dragging for deciding to wait for the Forensic Pathologists to complete their report, and having all the info before deciding what kinds of charges to bring against the officers. This supposed foot dragging is also being championed as an example of a grand conspiracy. Again, in the spirit of understanding, I’ve been pointing out that in the case of the suicide of city worker Huy Pham in Costa Mesa, the toxicology autopsy results took nearly 10 full weeks, despite the fact that the eventual outcome proved to be favorable to city officials, who were being blamed for being at least partially at fault for Pham’s jump from the roof of City Hall. Clearly, the 10 weeks it took for Pham’s autopsy results adds context to the 9 weeks we’ve been waiting since Kelly was murdered.
Justice and understanding instead of polemics and conspiracy theories, that’s why I’m here. I prefer to leave the ‘we are the good guys and they are the bad guys’ kind of thinking to the cops… that’s what got us into this mess in the first place.
Oh and jt, as for calling you ‘mama’ sorry for the misunderstanding, again, in the spirit of understanding (lol) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCdlBrgEmE
Bitch just got bitchslapped.
Oh and by the way. You may think it is Yours, because I guess it was once. But no longer.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/01/6787
Oh, forgot, the lawsuit was successful. Turns out you can’t ban people from honking at political demonstrations after all. US District Judge says so. Let’s see how fast FPD repeals those two citations. Anybody see Garo around lately?
And here’s the reason why Fullerton will no longer be Yours. You aren’t even intelligent enough to research the constitutionality of a policy before you implement it. You are going to have to face reality. You are outnumbered by citizens who are more resourceful, more intelligent, and more ethically-minded than you are. We are going to take over the running of this city from the pack of inept and corrupt bozos who do now and there is nothing you can do about it. And your Police Force will not only not help you out of this, they are your biggest liability and the reason that Fullerton will soon be Ours. Not… Yours.
jt wrote: “You aren’t even intelligent enough to research the constitutionality of a policy before you implement it.”
Wow, pot meet kettle. An intelligent person would know and understand the difference between a ‘policy’ and a law.
Like it or not, the law of the land is that a driver cannot legally uses his horn to protest anything, be it the price of tea in china, a hideous muffin top, or even the murderous beatdown of a defenseless man. And the cops don’t need to research the constitutionality of a law before enforcing it, interpreting case law is simply not their job.
Oh and Garo (what’s wrong? Mardirossian a little too tough for you? 🙂 ) is way too smart to take on a case where, even if he won, there are no real damages. I would try to explain this to you in more detail, but I’m not sure you would want to understand even if you could.
Are you blind as well as an arrogant asshole? Prior legal decisions mean that honking a horn at a protest is protected free speech.
I have a feeling we will see. Honks at the protestors as they drive by have a message. Honking for two blocks does not. Looks like the traffic judge will decide first, and then the federal judge. I’ll monitor as well.
Let’s say that distinction holds, which is entirely possible. The City of Fullerton, given its current problems surrounding its Police Department, thinks it would be a good idea to also have to defend a local traffic ordinance against a Federal lawsuit alleging violations of First Amendment rights of its citizens to protest the Police Department?
Again, I just have to marvel at the PR skills of our city and police department. For every single decision taken to shriek of such staggering incompetence is truly a breathtaking thing to behold.
Yeah, some case law supports honking as free speech, but that doesn’t mean it’s legal, it’s not. And again, cops don’t need to research the constitutionality of a law before enforcing it, interpreting case law is not their job. I know it’s a tough concept, but case law and California Code are not the same. When you get a ticket for honking you can go before a judge and cite case law in your defense, and you may or may not win, but the cops are fully within their right to enforce California Code.
I think you meant “be ready to be beaten to death if you are going to push the law”.
Fullerton, love corruption or leave it!!!!!!!!
I’M the only person in this town that matters, and I think ALL the homeless should be exterminated along with the mentally ill, the Gaddamn protesters, the Blacks, the Jews, the Mexicans, the Queers, and anyone who makes less money per year than I do, or drives a larger SUV than mine.
Long Live the Fullerton Police and Long Live ME _ ME _ ME _ ME _ ME.
The rest of you can just fock off!
Now that made me spit up my drink!
LMAO!
YOU’RE GOING TO CUFF ME FOR HONKING MY HORN???? Bring it on….. I will have a witness in the car taping next Saturday as I drive past the PD and honk. I am a non-violent person and will cooperate fully when you arrest me. You will look like the biggest assess to ever live when all is said and done. Cuff away………
DON,T you understand i was honking because, of all thous homeless people where trying to steal my car! sit your sad but down.
spank me mama !!! spank me!!
me thinks john and ken need to get a mail blast on sunday
gee, i hope my car alarm doesn’t go on the fritz…
Fullerton leaders(?) you best get off your asses and get this mess cleared up .
Do you plan to declare martial law and make the whole city of Fullerton a crime scene for Halloween???
Probably best that the FPD be restricted to their cave.
Lay in a good stock of donuts!
HALLOWEEN ? is what when people go around with mask,s on ? o and that,s comeing right up i think yes in oct.!!!!!
ya better warn the ice cream trucks too!!
yeah, a misdirected taser could melt all the ice cream.
LOL!!
ironic that there is also a church across the street from the protests that has wedding celebrants honking their horns after the wedding?
AMEN WELL SAID-church people are not evil ,and understand what is going down in fullerton AMEN
illegal horn use. how about illegal loud chewing gum smacking?
What about that clock shop down the street that has a sign posted out on the sidewalk that says, “PROTESTERS, DO NOT PARK HERE WE NEED THIS FOR CUSTOMER PARKING” the parking they refer to is curbside parking on the street that tax money pays for- that seems like a violation of our rights
go look at that sign next week and park your cars there.
there’s a Fullerton Municipal code that expressly forbids these sign on the sidewalk? Tisk tisk.
we’re only out on saturdays between 9am and 3pm, not 9pm to 3am everyday- who’s complaining about that?
Beep, beeep, beeeeep, beeeeeeep, OCR has picked up on this. this is TOO MUCH.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-316561-fullerton-horns.html
Violation of freedom of speech-pure and simple
I live a couple blocks away from the protest. I’m pretty tired of all the horn honking and bullhorns. We get it. It’s becoming disruptive. You don’t need to use anything but your voices and signs to attract attention. The surrounding community is tiring of their formerly quiet weekends being disrupted by the protestors.
Too bad asshole!
I second that Fedup
I third that. Makes me want to buy a bullhorn!
I will be sure to drive by several times next Saturday while leaning on my horn!
Listen up neighbors of the FPD. If yall got a problem with a bit of horn honking and shouting for justice, call our wonderful D.A., Tony Rackaukus and ask him WTF. We’re waiting on justice from him (unfortunately) so go complain to his draginfeet ass. If your too scared to do that, shut your f’n pieholes. NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong Guy: If yall got a problem with a bit of horn honking and shouting for justice, call our wonderful D.A., Tony Rackaukus and ask him WTF. We’re waiting on justice from him (unfortunately) so go complain to his draginfeet ass.”
Indeed!
Horns to warn about theft? Well, Kelly had his civil rights stolen from him, did you file a report?
Yes, I imagine Kelly Thomas got tired of someone yelling in his ears to STOP RESISTING when he was face down on the pavement with two cops on his back too. Pity you weren’t there to silence the offending FPD for Kelly, big mouth. Oh my God! You poor put upon dear. Why not join the protests and help hurry the process along. After all, YOU will benefit by a more professional police force too.
Which do you think more important, the (non-existent Right to a quiet Saturday midday), or the Right to Freedom From Being BEATEN to DEATH by multiple armed government thugs. Really, maybe you could think about that, if you COULD think.
You believe you will be employed forever? How many people unemployed today (private and public sector both) thought it was ever going to happen to them too? Any idea? None!
Some people are just too STUPID to know when other folks are fighting for their Rights too.
I love life. I’ve lived long enough to see so many unexpected things become the norm. We used to believe Made In the USA was so good and so proud it could never be taken away. Now most of America is unemployed and the communist (Red) Chinese are becoming rulers of the world economically, militarily and scientifically. Nobody saw THAT coming, except the Chinese. You think your insignificant little life is the most important thing in the world, but that is only the case to YOU, nobody else. Our Constitutional Rights, ALL of OURS, our rights to not be summarily electrocuted and beaten to bloody pulp by gun totting government thugs is more important than your quiet little Saturday lunches.
Grow a brain.
As Fullerton Cake Cheeks likes to say, learn to see the bigger picture.
Amen, Xer.
I live right down the street from the site of the protests and those horns and bullhorns are music to my ears and a symphony for my soul.
Ah, blessings to you!
You are a patriotic American.
I also live with in ear shot of the horns, yells,bull horns- and welcome it- you do not speak for my precinct- we welcome it.
Sad you find it disruptive, I hope that our actions clean up the city PD, even a little bit to where this never happenes again- and justice is served. if nothing else realize, that if god forbid- this should happen to your child, be they 4 or 40 I would stand alongside you as well being “disruptive”- until you got what you felt you deserved….I mean its the least I could do for a fellow citizen, right? You would afford me the same courtesy wouldnt you?
Don’t like the horn honking? Thank the Fullerton Porky Pigslops who murdered Kelly Thomas.
Think a little, PD! This is digging a deeper s*ithole PR wise for them than they know. And parents, if your damn kid is oh so scared of protestors, teach them to not wuss out so easily! And residents by the PD, good grief. It’s one day a week for six hours. I’ve been there and seen parents playing with kids at the protest site. Either you people are friggin wusses or you have a really low tolerance for hearing the truth!
I couldn’t say it better. My first thought was that the parents are teaching their kids to be afaid of everything too. There is to much fear in our society anymore, and the government is spreading it.
When citizens live in fear they more readIly cede greater authority to government. This is demonstrated again and again by history. Our Forefathers even warned us against it.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
— Benjamin Franklin
This quote has been stuck in my head ever since Congress and the Senate allowed passage of The Patriot Act. Patriot Act, what a stunning misnomer.
Here’s the applicant vehicle code section for improper use of a horn:
27001. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary
to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn.
(b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm
system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with
Section 28085) of this chapter.
Read the posts above. First Amendment Federal Lawsuit for exactly this. City lost. Not to be cliched or anything but as I think they say “case closed.”
They can still cite all they want. You have to fight that part in court.
The ACLU will just countersue the city you moron. This is your idea of city leadership? Further bleed coffers dry over lawsuits over your incompetent, law-breaking police department? Don’t you understand that FPD is ALREADY the laughing-stock of the entire country? You actually want to make them held in more contempt than they already are?
This is leadership? Identify yourself so that we might know what kind of deluded frauds claim to own our city.
And I will. You just pissed off a Republican who doesn’t go out to protests. Cite me next week, PD. I’m waiting…..
Does section 27001 supercede the First Amendment of the US Constitution?
which came first?? the chicken or the egg??
a violation of you freedom of speech- dont you care? its not about you or anyone else “getting it”
this is your rights too
You are finding a paltry excuse to try and stop this. I mean it is paltry with a capital P. I do hear you that it is a vehicle code law. It may very well be annoying to those who live by the station and city hall, but come on. It’s one friggin day a week for six hours. This almost makes me want to protest again for this, but instead, I’m going to continuously drive by next Saturday before I have to go to a wedding and lean on my horn right by the police station! If I get stopped, I will get an attorney and fight this. Will I get pulled over? Probably not. Will I honk in front of the PD every time I drive by now? Yes. If this isn’t the PD or the recall group paying these people to get the protestors to go away, you are the sickest group of whiny liberals I’ve ever met.
Wait, let me rephrase that. Forget the whiny liberal part. You are the sickest group of wanna be Irvine HOA board members I’ve ever seen! Honk on!
Wow, when they can’t shut-up you up, then they harass you with petty laws. Talk about trying to intimidate people into silence.
This is how cities and PD usually act when they want to silence righteous people.
@PJ
Sorry for the small inconvenience but this bigger than all of us. Even though Kelly Thomas was murdered in this particular case, this is about how PD and cities all across our country who abuse their powers and cover up with their BS spins. It’s better you have a small inconvenience now and a better, safer government and PD later. Our representatives need to realize that people will not tolerate this from people who are suppossed to protect and serve us, NOW or EVER.
Okay, boyos: I gotta do some panel up in Santa Monica at noon next Saturday, but I WILL swing by before and honk the hell out of my horn. This is a travesty of justice and shows again how insane this department is. Hopefully, I can bring out the 1974 Cadillac Eldorado with the horn that could guide ships through fog…
Good deal. Hopefully you get a citation. Those are going to be like Willy Wonka Golden Tickets once that class action First Amendment lawsuit against the City of Fullerton gets filed.
If I get a citation, I’ll proudly post it online. This bonehead move is about to enrage people anew…
Me too.
Ditto!
There must a trash receptacle at the employee entrance of the Fullerton PD that reads “put common sense here”.
I’m with you! Too bad I don’t have a good horn like that……
By the way, he should remove that flag from the background because he certainely doesn’t the represent our flag.
Far too many people have fought under our flag to be soiled by the likes of this kind people
my feelings exactly Ana! We honor that beautiful flag each and every Saturday when we stand up and protest against tyranny and oppression of our civil rights.
He wouldn’t know what Honor is if landed on his BS spin tales.
For those that love the sound of expression;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aq2DyLbUBA
What a Public relations coupe on the part of fpd, handing out, what amounts to winning lottery tickets! WOO HOOO! Class action suit!!!BEEP, BEEP, BEEP……AHHOOOGA!
I was editor of the school magazine at Fullerton High. I covered Sacramento as a student journalist at UC Davis. I wrote for the two failed precursors to the Fullerton Observer. I wrote as a paid part-time reporter for the Daily News Tribune of Fullerton, including taking a Fullerton Planning Commission meeting for my vacationing hero, lead reporter Silvia Palmer. After my uncle, Ralph Kennedy, made the Fullerton Observer a success, I published several letters in it.
I lived under the law from age 4 to 21 in Fullerton. I held a business license in Fullerton and lived under the law from age 23 to age 54.
Several weeks ago on this blog, I suggested that Police Chief Sellers take a paid leave and allow the FBI to come in and clean the Department. Sellers took a medical leave and has allowed a lieutenant to take over the department. (Shows how much anyone listens to me).
However, I agree that Andrew Goodrich has destroyed his own credibility with his unexplained broken bones comment and with his overall approach to this case. He now depreciates the Fullerton Police Department simply by speaking, just as Chief Sellers derpreciated the FPD just by being Chief. Goodrich should allow another officer to step up and be the mouthpiece for the Fullerton Police Department. Or Silvia Palmer should take over the task. She, at least, knows how to release statements that are journalisticly vetted.
This would free top-cop Goodrich to concentrate on fighting organized crime in the good city, or fighting drug cartels, or fighting gangs, or simply citing drivers who lean illegally heavy on their horns.
What a better place Fullerton would be if Goodrich were not speaking publicly….
When it is your Brother or Son or family member the cops murdered in front of scores of citizens and remained free for 3 more weeks… You will then wish people were doing what they are now
AAAUUUGAA, AAAUUUGAA, LEANING ON THE IMAGINARY HORN NOW-HOOOOOOOONK
teo things to do next saturday, park in front of the clock shop and honk loudly
don’t the flower up your ass
Can you imagine next Saturday.. wow.. He just asked every freedom loving horn owning American to drive on into Fullerton, CA and turn it into
HONKYTOWN!!! 😉
Hell I might bring an extra horn and blow it too
Ya know, I’ve oft referred to Fullerton as Honkeytown LOL. Well done “MeYou”
Have any of you people ever called the FPD to complain about a barking dog?
You will be told to contact the OC County animal control center.
When you search and find the telephone number,about the same stonewall as the FPD.
Go online and view the regulations that are required to report this noise pollution.
The FPD should be held to the same requirements
for automobile horn honking as is required for a barking dog.
“Lex talionis”(latin) is a very good example of the FPD core operational mentality.
Let the FPD write tickets and all recipients plead not guilty,,FPD present your proof to the court.
In ORANGE COUNTY CALIFORNIA a dog has more rights than human beings.
If them cops would have done the same thing to a dog, during the 7th inning stretch, in Anaheim Stadium…..would the sheep have ran???only those from Fullerton.
The GOOD citizens of Fullerton can change the cloud over this city but you must step-up and be loud and public.
These best use for this police department property is that it be razed and a homeless shelter be erected.
I would imagine fpd was instructed to start ticketing motorists at thier morning briefing, since multiple fpd were handing out lottery tickets. Who came up with the idea for this latest fiasco?
I thought I saw a larger than usual police presence today
Maybe the DA protest prompted a call for a favor.
FPD scratches DA’s back, DA scratches FPD’s back.
Oh god, just what the justice for Kelly movement needs, yet another conspiracy theory!
Yeah, I’m sure that’s it. The FPD writes a few tickets to try to reign in the protest a bit and the DA calls up the Forensic Pathologists at Juguilon Medical Corporation, the private company that is currently conducting the autopsy on Thomas, and says, “Go ahead and take another couple of weeks boys, we’ve got those pesky protesters under control now.”
Um, how many DA investigators have ties to FPD? I don’t think you’ve ever opined on the fact that Stan Berry is best pals with our poor, sickly Chief Sellers. The fact that he never recused himself and was left on the case by our Do Nothing DA speaks volumes.
Word is that the DAs investigators have, in some cases, dismissed and ignored the information provided and the OCTA bus driver was harassed by an anonymous caller who sounded remarkably like the guy from the DAs office who “interviewed” him.
Your simpleminded faith in the integrity of the DA’s office is getting tiresome, as is your kneejerk response of insulting anybody who dares to disagree with you. We get it, you love you some Repug OC DAs office. Give it a rest would you?
How lovely and cozy…
I would imagine since events seem to have taken a turn against them, fpd is becoming desperate to make this all go away as quickly as possible
perhaps we should bring doughnuts !
If you think the honking citations were petty, check this story out (cops went to the neighborhood where activists were meeting and started writing citations for any cars not exactly 12″ from the curb or less):
http://wearechangetv.us/2011/06/rochester-police-hand-out-curb-violation-tickets-to-emily-good-supporters/
I just wanted to say ‘Great Posts by everyone on this particular blog subject. Did you notice how popular this blog-site has become? ALready 108 messages and this was posted two hours ago.
I Really??????? LMAO’d when I saw Really’s swiny whiny posts in the beginning. hahahahahahahah
My favorite: Sergeant Slime Trail (lmao)
What a SPOKESWAD!!!
I saw some rally honker going west on Commonwealth, go through the red light a bit at Highland, then backed up behind the crosswalk.
I wonder if he was one of those that got nabbed by those Sorry Sacks of Soreloosers called FPD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfsuWkXrskI&feature=player_embedded
unreal !!!
AAP
Just checked that you tube above out – What a bunch of keystone cops.
Oh please, please video my license plate and give me a citation for honking next saturday and send out 3 of your best cars in case i get out of hand-I will be filming the whole thing
see that skinny bald headed cop in the beginning of the tape ?-Im tellin you hrs no good- hes a plant-dont trust his bony ass
hmm i don’t know??
Rats! I didn’t get to see it before it was removed. 🙁
Was this the one of the three whose citation was excused?
This is just so awesome! EVERYONE’S getting wise to FPD shenanigans. This man was smart for videoing this action. I went west down Commonwealth and saw one cop in patrol car at Senior Center Way, just waiting for his next victim. Many Justice for Kelly VIPs were telling off Captain Hughes because he lied to them. First he said they were just warning drivers honking excessively, but one lady caught him in a lie and showed him a citation from a man who just got one. She let him have it, telling him over and over, “you lied to me Captain!”
“The Higher the rank, the Bigger the Bullshit”
AAP, I just sent that you tube to John/Ken-hope more will
Slimy Rhiny, Swiny hinet, Swiny whiny, hey “Wrong Guy” give me a break with those tongu twisters, it’s early yet and I’m already slurring my blogs jk.
I hear ya there. I could type them easier than I could say them.
why is this video marked private now? dont have access to it
Attention those of you who got honking tickets today at the protest. I would like to hear from you for an opinion column I plan on doing for my Examiner.com column. Please contact me ONLINE if you would like to be a part of this column by emailing me at KLWOLFE1@aol.com and scan and attach your ticket to the email. (Please also black out your address and other personal information you don’t wish for me to know-minus your name.) Please also tell me three things in the email you send: 1) Where exactly did you honk your horn as you drove past the protest 2)If you have been a part of the Kelly Thomas protests before 3)What city you live in and 4)anything else you feel is relevant for me to know. I will contact you ONLINE only to follow up with you.
Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.
And this goes for neighbors also. Heck, I want to hear your story too. Please contact me. Thanks.
Go get em Kim. Nice work, I’m sure.
Aw thanks Wrong Guy. 🙂
WTF happened to the video
I video taped this at the protest and shared my tape with the FFFF blog to post. I’ll get together with my son and daughter who are whiz’s on editing and post production, and see if we can post something of our own on You Tube and/or Facebook and will definitely share the link you when we do.
What was on the video everyone is talking about?
hold on i got it off fb
I see what you mean merijoe. HEY, WTF happend to that vid you posted Another Anonymous person? It don’t show but it does say ‘sorry’.
Oh, forget my last post AAP.
it was on justice for kellys link and now been removed by user??
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44471933/ns/local_news-orange_county_ca/
more belching from Goodyear blimp
maybe they are reloading it to be public.. lets wait and see, it was private for some reason
Hey I wonder if they’d be issuing citations for honking if this was a pro FPD protest
haha, i wonder too
WOW…the FPD is really getting desperate now. I mean, this would almost be funny. They finally realize how FURIOUS the public is with them, so now they’re trying to silence people. They have no other recourse against the public backlash, because everyone knows how corrupt they are. So what do they do…try to silence people who are supporting the protesters. And to me, the timing of this seems very, very suspicious. Wasn’t there just recently a protest at the Orange County DA? And now this happens. I had read in news articles about the protests that the cops were “keeping their distance.” I figured that even the FPD wouldn’t be stupid enough to harass the protesters. They won’t do that, because that would be analogous to throwing jet fuel on a fire…so apparently they’re harassing people who support the protesters instead.
By the way, I’m willing to bet any amount of money that there were NO “kids frightened” by the protests, honking horns, or someone running into the street. That was an outright lie, and we all know it. It was a complete fabrication. Completely made up. We know that Goodrich and the rest of the FPD will outright make things up (like the cops having “broken bones” after beating Kelly).
Also, in all the videos I’ve seen of the protests, I have never seen anyone block traffic. Everyone has stayed on the sidewalks or in front of the police station.
I can’t remember any time where police have tried to write tickets for people honking to express support at a protest or rally. Never. But the FPD is trying to do it because that’s all they have left.
oh…I just checked out that link about the Federal case. Yup, apparently a Federal judge ruled that horn honking IS a protected form of free speech. So what the FPD did is against Federal law, period. Print this out and show it to any cop who tries to cite someone for honking their horn. Game over.
http://www.firstamendmentonline.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=19628
I’ve been looking on Google and found a lot of news articles about that ruling. Sure enough, The Federal judge’s ruling was very clear. Honking at a protest is a protected form of free speech. The police can NOT arrest or cite protesters who ask drivers to honk…and they can NOT cite drivers for honking in support. Period. End of story.
I read about a case in 2009 where someone got into a fight with their neighbor, and then parked in front of the neighbor’s house and honked her horn continuously. She was charged with a noise nuisance, and tried to say that her right to free speech was violated. But the judge disagreed. However, even in that case there was a caveat…the judge said that the honking would have to be expressing a certain view, and that it would have to be reasonably understood by a person that the honking was to express a political view.
In other words, even in that case, the judge is saying that honking to express a view is free speech.
Like I said, if a cop tries to cite someone for honking at the protests, he is violating Federal law. Print out the ruling from 2008, and show it to the cop, and tell him that a Federal judge ruled that honking at a protest is protected free speech and if he writes a citation for that, he is violating Federal law. What could his reply possibly be then?
In fact, with that ruling in 2008, I think there will have to be an exception written in the California Vehicle Code about honking as a form of free speech. The ruling by the Federal judge basically forces the state to do that.
why educate them? ignorance of the law is no excuse. let them hang themselves
That’s the key. The law is the law. If there aren’t exceptions written into the law for things like this, then the cops can write the tickets. Especially if the cops have video or testify that the honker honked for two full blocks, which isn’t protected by free speech. Honking at the protest to express support at the location is of course protected.
Chris. I agree to an extent. Before everyone decides to go and honk forever and get tickets, I would consult an experienced attorney. Otherwise, they may all just end up donating to the city in the end.
Honking a horn for an extended period, for an extended distance is not allowed even in a protest. The honking has to be in expression of the protest at that location. So it’s not as easy as you say that everyone can honk as much as they want and it’s protected.
I think this protest is going to require permits and specific requirements soon. If those aren’t met, more enforcement will take place. Permits and times are normal for protests that continue on a daily or weekly basis. We will see. I think someone said it right. With all the desire and want to force the police’s hand in terms of laws and keeping the protestors in line, it will cause everyone to lose focus on the original intent of this whole protest and anger. Good luck.
“Merijoe posted this link to a story covered by the o.c. register about the tickets that were issued today, at the end of the story there is a link to the person at O.C.R. that wrote the story, lets let them know that these citations were issued in direct violation of a ruleing by a district court judge that allows honking of car horns at a politicaldemonstration.
I think it would be a good idea as “Chris” suggested, to keep a copy of the ruleing that allows for honking at a protest is a protected right under free speech in your glove box, but I expect you will still have to go to court on the matter, as the officer who writes the citation will be too “butt hurt” to retract it. Contact the ACLU, report that your cival rights have been violated, and then contact Mr. Mardirossian (attorney handeling the Kelly Thomas case) and get a class action lawsuit going, Dont let up on ’em now.
I agree. The FPD show no sign of understanding the extent to which public opinion is against them. Lawsuits are gong to be an important tool in getting new leadership and broad reform. The more plaintiffs the merrier.
i dont think i want to reach in glovebox with fpd.
THE COP,S NOW KNOW GAME,S UP so thay are so down in the dump,s,thay try to pull this.GOD HIMSLEF IS ON FFFF side soon the fpd will inplouded on it,s slef AMEN
Say it with your chest Tigerman!
By the way LSU glad to hear those dogs that were involved in the Danziger bridge murder were convicted!
THANK,S nomad we have a pitbull here in louisiana office of DOJ,BUT REALLY the people of louisiana would not let the cover-up stand.Just when we though it was the darkess,hour the light came in and one of the smart cop,s rolled over on the other,s to save his hide.he now still has he,s job at a desk,The rest are gone up the river.We also have a lady cop sitting on DEATH ROW, Here in the swamp,s of LA.anythink can happen to drity pig,s. Hard to belive,but thay are safer in prison then back on the st.,s as for there fly. thay had to move and go hideout.I know in my heart yall will get victory for KELLY T. NO IT,S NOT EASY and it take,s longer but it can and has to happen.You see people kelly was the least of us and GOD himslef is on FFFF side.PLEASE DON,T GIVE UP THAT,S WHAT THAY WANT.,yall are almost there now belive it or not the world is looking to fullerton I will keep yall in my prayer,s GOD BLESS THE GOOD PEOPLE OF YOUR CITY.
Congradulations again on that one tigermanlsu. Your success story in LA is much encouraging to us in Fullerton and the rest of the country for that matter.
Thank you once again for your support and prayers.
“UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED THEY WILL FALL”.
Writing up tickets to passing cars huh? Way to make more friends fpd. I tell you, this is the most embarrassing police dept. In the country. Now you have pissed off those who havent made it out on Saturdays and we will probably see more and more people now. Fight the ticket, make the cops show up in court to prove it. I’m sure the judge who has to handle the cases will be real happy about clogging up his day with these bogus tickets. Now the fpd has started to step over the line. First tickets next they will start swinging on peaceful demonstrators. Remember we are not dealing with the brightest bunch with these folks. They have declared war on fullerton citizens all of them. Their divide and conquer scheme will not work. Trying to pit a few against another will not work. We can see right through you FPD.
By the way, my wife and I ate downtown during the rally and it was quite nice, drove past the rally and gave a honk for support. Keep up the good work all of you at the rallies, we are proud of you!
Hey all you FFF idiots! The police and others here in Fullerton are just against smelly, filthy, low life’s like you people who protest and honk horns too long.
They are not against the good people of Fullerton who treat them with respect. My wife, a soccer mom, recently got a warning from a nice Fullerton Police Officer when she inadvertently rolled a stop sign. He din’t have to do that, but she smiled and say she was sorry, he let her go.
I’m not a protestor and I’m not an smelly, filthy, low-life idiot. But I will honk my horn next week.
“The police and others here in Fullerton are just against smelly, filthy, low life’s like you people…”
No, the “low life’s” are in the FPD – murderers, thieves, rapists, drug addicts, kidnappers, etc., etc., etc. That’s quite a gang you’ve got there.
Maybe his wife did the guy a favor.
Just sayin.’
Dude, really, thats all you have to say? Offending people you dont even have a clue of? You got along ways to go my friend. But we are here for ya bro.
AAA-OOO-GAA
…how does one “inadvertently” roll a stop sign? So you’re telling me that my own wife will need to wink and smile for these fat hogs to get out of a ticket? I’d personally rather have my wife get the ticket than have her have to flirt with strangers. I guess that’s just me though.
I protest, and I bathe.
Good morning peeps. Well, once again, the FPD shows their abundance in intelectual stimuli between the running lights. IF they think we are going to be intimidated and bullied to go away, they have another thing coming.
This Saturday, we should have signs saying HONK FOR KELLY, and stand directily in front of FPD to boot.
SOVIET Stalinist tactics…..I think NOT!!
Top ‘o the mornin’ to ya 9c1.
Quite the comical event yesterday.
Have you checked out the most recent post from the driver who got ticketed? He, like many of us are now carrying our camcorders everywhere we go, especially in the city of Fullerton. Awesome.
Do any of you know when the city council is up for re-election? If I was living in Fullerton, I would go to a council meeting and tell them not to get to comfy in those seats; as everyone here will be GONE in the next election.
There is a recall underway. The Three Blind Mice will not be comfortable.
Wrong Guy,
Good morning to you. I was thinking about everyone yesterday. These CLOWNS never cease to amaze me. Here is the whole world looking at events surrounding this case, and these FOOLS start something like this.
They are destined to fail at whatever SOVIET tactics they try to employ. This is NOT Russia, and it seems as if they need to be reminded of that fact daily.
I love how this shows that no matter how powerful police departments think they are, the citizens who band together will always be greater. You may try and shut people up, ticket them, even kill them, however, you entities that think you are oh so ever powerful will not prevail. The power of the people will always be greater. Even the worst dictators in the world have been over thrown, don’t think it can’t happen with a police department in America. Fullerton Police Department, District Attorney, Coroners office…do the right thing. It’s not that hard. It’s what you get paid to do and more importantly what you vowed and swore to also.
I spoke with a protester on saturday – he was from an eastern european country -he told me with a very heavy accent and proudly, that US “is only country that will allow this kind of protesting agiainst this kind of brutality and dirty policing tactics”
Be proud and honk those horns on saturday
Dont be afraid to honk-Dont be intimidated by the FPD, thats what they want-
we got your backs -we got video cams, we know attorneys and media sources If we dont see it, Yell for us, turn around and head back to us and a pack of us will be by your side.
Next weekend I’m bringing several car horns, but without the cars. Mounted A, G, and F note horns to a dolly with a car battery and a horn button.
This!
why can’t FPD figure it out. If they would have just done their job (as they were supposed to do) from the beginning, they wouldn’t be so concerned about honking horns. FPD WILL NOT take any accountability for their actions. Kill someone, get a paid vacation (tax free!)
This is just another form of “cover up”, trying to create an issue out of nothing to distort the real issue at hand. They wont take any responsibility for their actions. PD is just waiting for this whole thing to blow over.
Ya, PD was sort of accomodating of the demonstrations early on (because they had to be, the public was to outraged).
Now PD see’s the demonstrations as a nuissance to their own personal agenda (pensions, protection, job retention, exposing the truth) and they want to find any reason at all to subdue the protests. I will tell you now, the overall agenda of FPD right now is to squash the protests without looking like FPD is doing anything wrong.
FPD, the DA, Mayor Jones all have one thing in common: They want this whole thing to “blow over”. DONT LET THAT HAPPEN!
Very well said. I’ve said that from the start. It’s not the grand conspiracy people here think. It will turn out to be people doing a very good job for the long term, not a short term jerk reaction to satisfy the people.
Police will be cleared of all charges, all of you will find out Kelly Thomas was in the wrong, and you’ll all move on to some other cause.
LOL this blog sucks. Can’t even make a post and someone steals my posting name again. 🙁 LOL
Reality! hey buddy -missed you at the protest, my foot was all ready to meet your ballls -maybe next week
I was there. My balls are made of steel. Boing!
who were you -nobody with a sign right? were you outside?
were you that fat load with the latex gloves on-like you had an anus waiting for you to probe?
Wait until tomorrow when John and Ken get their teeth into this recent foolish tactic to silence the masses.
I’m being stifled! How can I smear Kelly Thomas and the blog owner if you keep letting someone jack my name?!?! 1st amendment! 1st amendment!
U suck u imposter 🙁
Though I have been a lot nicer and more civil to people as of late.
I’m being stifled! How can I smear Kelly and the blog owner if someone keeps jacking my name?!
Wow, a lot of this is way, way over the top.
On one hand, nearby-to-the-Saturday-protests resident “PJ” above was excoriated for having the temerity to suggest that the noise and the traffic is getting a little old. He was called a whiner. And yet on the other, the whining here about the cops giving three lousy tickets is deafening! Take your ticket, go to court, fight it and win and consider this a part of the price of social protest in seeking justice. We aren’t exactly talking Kent here folks.
I’m sure I’ll be accused once more of being on the ‘wrong side,’ but I think it’s possible to want justice for Kelly and still point out that maybe part of having a ‘peaceful protest’ would be working together to limit the ‘disturbing of the peace.’
After all, freedom of expression and the right to protest are not absolute, and if one chooses to break the law as part of a protest, one must then be willing to pay the price and not whine like a stuck pig (pun intended) when called on it.
Sure the cops see the protests as a nuisance to their agenda, but the fact of the matter is that local residents and business people also seem to see the protests as a nuisance to THEIR agenda, the right to be able to do business and to live in relative peace.
In another discussion here it was mentioned that the owner of a nearby clock shop had put up a sign requesting that protesters park elsewhere and leave the street parking for his customers. This was so offensive to one frequent FFF poster that he/she suggested a boycott of the clock shop! Please. The guy might be the biggest supporter in the world of justice for Kelly, but he’s still got to make a fkn living.
It seems to me that the cops have bent over backwards to limit their confrontations with protesters. The gatherings have been going on for weeks and this is the first we’ve heard. And it also seems that they tried to avoid yesterday’s confrontation by talking with organizers the night before and seeking their cooperation.
I would suggest that by refusing to cooperate and pissing off the neighbors, we are playing right into the cops’ hand, marginalizing ourselves within a community whose support will be key to achieving real reform.
Well…too bad, so sad. and furthermore, if the clock shop owner is so worried about business and might be “a big supporter” then he/she should provide private parking and not care about 6 hrs, 1x a week of protesting.. snap
Actually, EyeNeverSayNo, MeriJoe made a good point. You seem to be grasping at imaginary straws, “The guy might be the biggest supporter in the world of justice for Kelly, but he’s still got to make a fkn living.” Nothing I have read in these blogs shows ANY evidence the clock store owner supports Kelly’s Army’s fight for justice. Nada, The parking in front of his shop on the street is public parking. Rather than warning protesters to go somewhere else to park, why doesn’t he put a sign in his window promoting justice for Kelly. Instead of making protesters resent him, he could have been learning particulars about why so many people feel strongly enough to go out on one of their two weekend days and protest in the heat. Bet he would have a more thriving business, not just now, but into the future if he got on board instead of being a jerk.
I agree people will have to go to Municipal court and probably pay for their tickets, but If the organizers can get a good lawyer involved who wants to make a name for himself in higher courts (careers are built this way), or the ACLU, then will Fullerton really feel the pain. Short term petty punishment for protest supporters for in exchange for a longer term larger payout? Stupid.
Those running Fullerton right now are so stunningly amateur it would be laughable were it not so pathetic. The FOOLS are evidently planning on taking the ship down with them instead of the other way around. FPD has decided since they are going down they’ll get payback on the entire City by taking City Government down with them. These guys are so dishonorable I hope they get blackballed all across America and cannot get hired in LE anywhere else ever!
“Rather than warning protesters to go somewhere else to park…”
Seems like he just asking nicely to me. Not warning, not threatening, asking ‘hey, can ya give me a break.’ How is that ‘being a jerk?’
As for the suggestion by “merrijoe” that he should provide private parking, I asked “merrijoe” before just how this is supposed to work in real life? Is he supposed to rent a parking lot down the street? Provide valet service?
Merijoe,
Kill ’em with kindness I say; the best revenge. These anti-Kelly protesters here, get their braveness behind a screen.
To all of you PRO-6 FPD people, I welcome you to counter-protest right next to me. It is your GOD-GIVEN right to do so, and I encourage you to exercise that right.
As for me, I am PRO-POLICE myself, however, I do say that TRUST and AUTHORITY that is given to all of those wearing the badge, should NOT be abused. It is this abuse that is so pervasive within departments nowadays, and undermines the public’s trust and cooperation.
Apparently, FPD has denied people’s rights FEDERALLY this time. Keep stepping on your dicks FPD. You are showing the world what we all know to be true; imbeciles, each and every one of you.
Kinda. As long as there are laws that are on the books, the cops can utilize them. Each ticket will be fought independently based on the testimony and video from each side. The judge will decide. Class action federal lawsuit for the cites? Any lawsuit can be filed in federal court. Biggest key in a federal suit against cops is state actor, state action, and damages. If you have those, then it’s possible but cops base their actions on the written laws and how they read in the penal and vehicle codes. Proving wrongdoing will be tough. I know I know it’s chicken shit. But like I said before, people do complain about the protests and if laws are broken, they will be enforced. I predict more cops as this progresses and more enforcement. Yes, I know you say you are going to honk louder and protest louder and crazier, but you will each be the ones having to address your actions when cited or arrested. Yes, you feel the cops were wrong with Kelly but the judge won’t care in your case.
You’re either being stupid or just willfully giving out misinformation at this point. I think the latter.
Look up ACLU vs. Ferndale. HORN-HONKING IS CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED FREE SPEECH AT PROTESTS. Period. Doesn’t make a difference what stupid local ordinance is cited. If I was ticketed I’ll take a jury trial and court date. Cops would be insanely stupid to even show up. Of course, insanely stupid does describe our local police department, so maybe they’ll show up. Good. Case goes to trial, defense attorney refers ACLU vs. Ferndale case, trial ends, aquittal. Countersuit filed against city for violating my First Amendment rights. City loses again. Great advice.
Let me know how it ends up in a few years.
OK. Meanwhile you reflect on whether its a particularly good move for a police department which can’t even prevent its own employees from slaughtering an unarmed homeless man to focus a lot of their energy on giving citations for honking at a protest of the police station.
The big picture, remember?
Wow, the difference between case law and California Code is a tough concept for some here…
Hint: Reality Is has it 100% correct.
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Cite examples please.
FPD=Reno 911
LOL they should wear the tight shorts and shirts. Sexy.
Andrew Goodrich is the worst than the criminal.
Wow! Just when I thoought these killer cops couldnt get any lower they pull this horn honking BS. These cops are all killers- they just havent got the notch in their belts like the the six who murdered Kelly. Give them time- they will all eventually get their prize. How does a human being turn in his or her human feelings and emotions to become a killing robot? I just dont get it- maybe they were bullied as kids and this is their pay back???
I wondered that myself FGB-how do you possibly justify any of this? seriously? I was told these people are just plain evil-yep and a chip is missing
I recommend a name change for Goodrich….
He can go for Badrich, Evilrich or Nogoodrich!
It clearly is a shame to have that name with a character of full badness.
how about receedinghairich?
How about yank my pensionrich!
The owner of the clock store is not a supporter. If he was, he would be at the protest right across the street.
Its time to “hire” some lawyers for probono work on getting tickets dropped. Let them write a hundred tickets, three is nothing!
the basic problem in Fullerton is called denial. The vast majority of residents are in denial that their wonderful city council and mayor could hire goons! Their big surprise will not be the paltry charges emanating from the DA office. He will make the charges easy and then try to plea bargain them so there is no trial.
The real problem for Fullerton residents is the enormous settlement these idiots are making bigger. In an LA County case 16 deputy sheriffs were involved, the person did not die and the settlement was for $25,000,000. Fullerton is a self insured city. Understand what that means to cuts in city services, cuts in police personnel (no not low lifes with longevity like Goodrich, but younger new guys just starting out), cuts in pothole fixing, road repairs, public services, etc.
If you are just complaining about honking like the clock man, you will soon enough have lots to complain about when your city business license fee doubles and triples! Stay in the shadows and good luck!
What about the huge pool of cities used to pay off civil settlements?
Although I support justice for Kelly Thomas, I really don’t like this article. This article contains way too many logical fallacies to be taken as serious journalism, and writing biased articles that personally attack someone for their weight is not going to help the cause. To someone who wants to see this family get justice, this article is offensive because is detracts from the credibility of our side when you start using fallacies and reasoning that is completely illogical.
keep up the good fight, it even hasnt heated up yet.
were gunna chase those crazy baldheads out of town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTmYXttrAvE
“grow food rome is burning”
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Nobody is honking for two blocks. That’s just another Goodspork lie.
1/2 block if that. yeah lets believe Good n plenty-the one who also said the other cops suffered broken bones in the Kelly beat/murder-what a sniffling kumquat, lying high school drop out. Those stupid tix wont get as far as any damn traffic judge you cop kissing buffoon-make sure you dont sit for too long you might hurt your brain
Clearly citations for honking your horn (freedom of speech ?) is just a cheap tactic of intimidation that has been sanctioned by the “acting chief” and if the Council does not go on the record as being against this type of intimidation then they all need to go I would hope that anyone that has been issued one of these citations has enough sense to challenge it in Court
Damn, I saw that channel 9 at 10 newstory about saturdays protest-they interviewed Goodyear Blimp, gadzook, hes huge. Dang, I know this guy must have a sitting down job- he cant run anyway, except to the refrigerator.
Is It just me,NO I guess not,But every cop in fullerton I see on the new,s are anywhere eal,s Is soooo frickin FAT, what,s up with that.
I guess writing up tickets builds up quite the appetite.
Only works on me after I lift 40,000 pounds during the course of my shift, but my job has standards.
#198 by Allie on September 12, 2011
I copied this from a poster on the Uncut OCTA thread as I feel they make an important point that is relevant to cg’s comment here.
“As a Fullerton resident I am just so sad about this. It’s funny because we were at First Night in Fullerton last year and the cops looked like they were going to war. Full military gear, big guns and weapons….. It scared my six year old son. Last week we were in Vegas and the cops smiled at you and shook my sons hand. What a contrast. I have to admit that while I have always had a lot of respect for the police I think we need some new leadership here in Fullerton.”
I’ll brb with the poster’s name..
it showed up, never mind.
Goodrich said. “We have been trying to be as accommodating as possible to the protesters. We have blocked off streets.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/kelly-thomas-fullerton.html
Get it right Porky. Only one street is blocked off. Just more shit out of your mouth.