WARNING: Graphic Photo of FPD Beating Victim
Read more about the Kelly Thomas beating
This is what happens when a city loses control of its police force.
Kelly Thomas did not deserve to die this way. Nobody does.
Clearly there is a systemic problem within the FPD culture which permits, condones or even encourages police officer violence against residents of Fullerton.
This must end now.
Email the City Council and demand justice NOW! Council@ci.fullerton.ca.us
Maybe it’s time for the city to de-certify the police officer’s “association” (i.e. UNION) that has enabled this police force to become so politically powerful that there are no longer the appropriate checks and balances.
The sad thing is it want stop with him, so many officer been getting way with so many killing, so many beating of people they are to protect and serve. System set up for fpd and many more like them to go out there, and make there own law. Taxpayer we pay them hurt, and kill innocent people each day across this great so call country.
you people of Fullerton are getting exactly what you deserve. how many of you have reported this crime to the police department? how many of you have written a strongly worded letter to you city councilmen? how many of you have reported this to the state police. they are the ones that have jurisdiction in these matters? how many have reported this to the FBI. they are responsible for organized crimes? have you told the Governor?I bet zero and thats why you get what you deserve. The fastest way to overthrow a democracy is not to participate in it. BF so lets see if you can.
Report it to the police department? The ones who will cover it all up and wash it’s officers clean? You are so unaware!
Notable claims:
•One officer supposedly beat Kelly Thomas with the butt of his Taser until blood started coming up all over the officer’s arms and hands.
•Another officer supposedly drop knees Kelly Thomas’ nose and throat with the full force of his body weight multiple times, crushing the victim’s throat.
•This happened while Kelly Thomas was not moving or resisting.
Report it to the police department? You’re funny!! The police depart is who done this!!!!
His point is, what have you done about this besides complain about how corrupt the police are.
Oh My GOD! How can this happen? How another human being ( if that is what they can even be called) do such a thing to another human being. Not to metion they are paid by the tax payers quite likely his parent to protect and to serve. Shame on these police officers! EVERYONE of them that partake in this horrible act directly or indirectly will stand alone before GOD on thier actions!
YEAH THESE COPS NEEDS TO BE WASHED!! because their dirty from all the blood splatter 🙂
WHAT??????? SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE ONE OF THE COPS THAT KILLED THIS MAN. PATHETIC!!!!! yOU GAT WHAT YOU DESERVE????PLEASE LETS TASER YOU 5-6 TIME AND THE BEAT YOU TILL A COMA THEN WE WILL SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE AND SAY “YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVE!!!!!! iT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANAY TIMES IT HAS BEEN REPORTED IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH THE FIRST TIME SO THAT IT DIDN’T COME TO THIS. BUT THESE PATHETIC SO CALLED COPS THAT HIDE BEHIND THEIR BADGES DO AS THEY PLEASE TO THESE POOR PEOPLE AND THEN DEFEND THEMSELVES BY SAYS HE RESISTED ARREST!!!!! IF THESE MONSTERS HAVE KIDS IT WILL COME BACK SOME WAY OR ANOTHER!!!!KARMA’S A B%$#@!!!
i agree with your post. KARMA A B#$&@!!!!
It is unfortunate that this happened but I assure you that this guy did resist and maybe there was too much force used here but next time some one breaks into your home or tries to kidnap your child what kind of force are you going to want them to use? or maybe your better off calling the homeless guy to help you out.
Nothing like a LEO thug/murderer apologist with the time tested “who you gonna call” logic. Go move to one of those wonderful places where LEO’s are generally thugs and criminals who make the law up as they go along and nobody can take exception. You’d like it unless you ended up on the bad side of Mr. I am the law LEO. Maybe too much force? Ever see somebody beat in the face with a taser 8 times or literally crushed to death by 4 to 6 men? Go view the surveillance video (all 30 minutes) and listen to the LEO’s mic audio carefully. Animals. Like what you see and hear? Pray to God you don’t walk in Kelly Thomas’s Father’s shoes one day idiot. It would probably kill a weak minded, blackhearted fool like you.
When the Video first came out shows the police officer putting gloves on and threatening to punch him he did exactly that and Kelly stood up to protect himself they have taken parts out of that video the video was about 20 minutes long of the police officers not just two five of them beating him as he’s calling for his dad all because he would not give his name
Thanks for the info. This is May 2020, what happened following this disgusting beating.
Really, you got issues. no one deserves this, not even you, so how can you say that to people. What are you a Republican? if so I can understand because your kind is heartless and ruthless, God Bless you and your evil spirit.
Are you nuts? Where do you get this is a Republican? I’m not Republican or Democrat and if someone breaks into my house, I’m not calling the police. get it?
thats why i laugh my ass off every time a officer is KILLED in the line of duty. they deserve what they get. big bad cops on 1 man. you cops suck.
I was pleased to see your response. Sometimes in this cop loving period in this country I feel like the only one feeling as you do. Cops cripple and kill people every day just because they can. I believe you can’t punish them all so when one or two are killed I have no sympathy at all it just has the feel of justice when they die.
that makes two of us!!
John your lame. My suggestion is if your driving around and just happen to come across a burning building run full speed into it and wait till your dead. Thank you 🙂
all police officers are not like the animals that beat this man to death. thank GOD!!! the ones who do this deserve to be punished for their crime—MURDER yes this is murder. hopefully they will get their just reward—both here on earth and come judgement day. its never funny to see people behave in that way. it’s not right no matter who does it. those who support this type of behavior and/or cover it up are equally guilty.
John not all cops are bad. No one deserved what happened to this man and the officers responsible should be prosecuted for manslaughter or murder. Cops are like everyone else, there are good ones and bad ones. To laugh when an officer is killed in the line of duty?? You are one sad excuse for a human being. Keep laughing….Karma is a B**ch!
John you are pathetic someone like you should have your house broken into and your family lives threatened and then you can call your next door neighbor because cops shouldnt help sorry asses like you
John – I hope you never need help.
Karma.
You are soooo dumb. Why would they report this to the police…They will only throw the case out. Obviously they are the ones comiiting the crime. Maybe they should report YOU for being so freaking stupid.
“Taking the case to Tony Rack means it ain’t coming back” is what every police union and millionaire crony that will provide big tips (political donations)for Tony to look the other way. Do your homework on George Argyros, a Newport Beach billionaire who owns Arnel Management. I worked for Orange County DA’s office in 1980, and we had a huge case against Arnel Management that we had worked countless hours on showing how George Argyros had been systematically mis-appropriating thousands of his tenants security deposit’s at $500-1000 per tenant for years and we soon found that the DA didn’t want to ruffle the #1 donor to the Republican party so the case got dropped and we lost our funding the next year. I saw that Tony Rack did the same quid pro quo for his $30K donation and the charges were once again dismissed and Bush soon made Argyros an Ambassador to Spain! This guy has 10’s of thousands of apartments here in OC that he pays little or no taxes on because they were mostly purchased before Prop 13. He maybe a morally corrupt scumbag in my eyes however he’s “smart” enough to still be getting away with this BS of fleecing his tenants for 30 years with the complicit knowledge of the District Attorney’s Office. So when this Police Chief tersely says that he has no comment to the media because it’s under investigation at the DA’s office, I say man up and take responsibility while there is still hope for your soul and to allow these parent’s to heal and for the citizen’s of Fullerton to know that a right has been wronged.
Great post #20! This is the way the system works, unfortunately.
Yo paperburn-shut the fuck up man! I dont live there but honestly he didnt deserve to die like this! Nobody does! It doesn’t matter weather thy participate in the government or not! Fucking idiot! Get enough ballz to say tht this was fucked up! Until u can do that…just shut up
CUDOS MONSTER FOR YOUR COMMENT
Well said Monster!!
What is “state” police!? You must be from back east or something…
State police are even more corrupt here in massachusetts.
Every state in the US has state law enforcement…(state police)..so where are you from? You obviously need an education.
First of all, nobody deserves that, short of a child molester or animal abuser. Second of all, sentences that are not questions should not end in question marks. If you are going to post a ridiculous comment like that, you should make sure your grammar is correct, otherwise it just makes you look like even more of a total moron.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I’M ON THE EAST COAST, WHEN I SEE ABUSES I SEE THE END OF OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES.
SERIOUSLY YOU PEOPLE OF FULLERTON DESERVE THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY? IGNORANT OR WHAT? HOMELESS ? WHAT IF WE HAVE WRITTEN LETTER AND COMPLAINED… THEN WHAT ? DO I STILL DESERVE TO DIE ? SO YOU CAN VENT VITRIOLIC RHETORIC TO SUPPORT YOU INTERNET ANTI-SOCIAL AGENDA? OOOOO ILLL SHOW THEM LOSERS I WONT MOVE OVER WHEN YOU WANT TO PASS N THE FAST LANE….MMMMMMMNAAAANNAAAAANNNNAAAAAANNNNAAAAAAAAAAANNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
maybe you should be with the god hates fags zealots marching and disturbing funerals of dead soldiers… i mean we deserve it right.., should a wrote to the govna
LOL, the FBI are already investigating. You should try fact checking before telling people they’re “getting what they deserve.”
HEY PAPERBURN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT THIS WAS SOMEONES SON. BROTHER, FRIEND, AND TO SAY THAT HIS DEATH IS FULLERTON GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE IS INSANE. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AN EXAMPLE OF BEFORE THIS CITY TAKES ACTION AGAINST THESE HOOD RATS. THEY HAVE BECOME ANOTHER GANG IN OR WAR AGAINST CRIME. WE ARE NO LONGER AFRAID OF THE GANGS IN ARE NEIBORHOODS BECAUSE THE ONE THAT SWORE TO PROTECT AND SERVE ARE BY FAR WORSE. THEY SALE DRUGS IN OR NEIBORHOODS, THEY ARE KNOWN AS REGULARS BY THE HOOKERS. THEY HELP SET UP ROBBERIES, I LIVE IN SOUTH CENTRAL L.A AND WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. WE NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ARE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT .
@Paperburn You are COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE! How DARE you say we get what we deserve???! I agree with @Joe “Report it to the police department? The ones who will cover it all up and wash it’s officers clean? You are so unaware!”
The FBI have come in and that is why they are on leave without pay! If you would have read more into it you would have known that you idiot.
@ paperburn..How can ppl deserve this? What planet r u from? Planet dumba**!!! NOBODY deserves to be treating that way!!! It makes me sick to think that it was by police, ppl that have sworn to up hold the law and protect the town and citizens that live there! Have u looked a the pic at the top? How can u say the things u said and not feel like s***!!! Kelly did nothing wrong.So what he was homeless…couldn’t the cops have found something better to do on a Tuesday night..like I don’t know like maybe went and ate DONUTS!!!!! What is tha world coming to?!
You would think they could have maybe given him a ride to a shelter instead of beating him to death.
You sir… are a joke. Really? A joke!
I agree with Joe…You are so unaware. Whether they have reported this to anyone or not, no one DESERVES this kind of treatment. How can you even think that the people of this city are getting what they deserve? I feel sorry for uneducated people like you.
Paperburn – you’re an idiot. They did NOT deserve this. No one does – not even you. Do you think they knew this was going on? Did you? Did you do anything other than play Monday-Morning-Quarterback? Learn how to use capitals and punctuation too. Again – IDIOT.
you are apparently not entirely aware of the concept, it doesn’t get any better from here. What you suggest in a corrupt overarching system, is antithetical to the end goal, ie there is no justice at any level in a “Criminal” Justice System, as opposed to a Justice system If you don’t understand what I am saying, then you have made my point
Man do you need to go back to school and learn how to write.
Yeah he neeeds to lern how to right, yu tel him budy.
blib, blab boop?
What language do you speak. It’s certainly not English. Please learn to write so people can understand what you are saying.
Please send this pic to your governor !!! these officers need to be charged with murder!! send them to prison where they can get beat down like this .
well if this is what our hard earned tax money goes to support, I say, we should have the right to refuse to pay!!! Ironically, if we don’t pay up, we get fined and penalized….while six sick sad excuses for human life get “suspended without pay pending investigation.” I don’t know what kind of “investigation” could possibly refute what hard evidence already illuminates – no act of resistance, defiance, disobedience or otherwise warrants the kind of beating that renders a man unrecognizable – but these Pigs (i now know why they are called this!) should be made to pay back to the people and their community all that hard earned money they are now using to wipe their dirty arses with! Civil servants are supposed to be held to a higher standard. If they can’t measure up and if this sadistic mentality is as insidious to the police department as people say, they’re funds should be cut! Threaten the whole to weed out the few.
Maybe you should learn how to speak english!
I don’t believe I would ever visit your city after that article and video I just saw of that beating your law enforcement dished out on a mentally challenged person. I’m sure your police department will say he was a great threat and that he deserved to be beat to death. Hopefully there is no special needs school children bad mouthing your police there or doing something you might think is wrong when your officers are around. I’d hate to read a story about how much of a threat they were that you needed at least 6 cops to beat them to death…. There are good cops out there that know how to do the job right…You might want to use Norton Virus Protection on your Robocops it sounds like to me.
Very sad guys.
agree 100%
Agreed – I was going to a Microsoft conference in Anaheim, staying in Fullerton later this year. I’m going to cancel all my plans, and keep my money out of Fullerton and California until they get squared away and DO SOMETHING about their police corruption.
agree 1000% beat that…no pun intended.
Check out what happened to the mentally challenged kid in Dayton, Ohio. The kid survived the tasing, beating and pepperspray. Neighbors even tried to explain to the two officer’s that the boy (17) was severely mentally handicapped and were told if they didn’t return to their homes they’d be arrested. The initial officer was quoted as saying his reasoning was he felt the boy was “being disrespectful”
Talk sh!t, get hit.
There is a huge difference between being mentally challenged and having a psychological mental disorder. My brother is schizophrenic and I have seen him get very violent and start fights during a psychotic episode. While Kelly Thomas was up to no good that night breaking into cars (probably to get money for drugs, I know from experience, since my brother often committed crimes to get a fix, to mask his audio and visual hallucinations with different physiological sensations) he did not deserve this at all. I think they should replace taser guns with fast acting tranquilizers to subdue the assailant without crushing his face into mush. This is epically saddening and infuriating. We can all hope that this kind of violence will end, but sadly it won’t it’s happened way too many times before and will continue to happen. My heart goes out to his family even though they let go to the streets. My brother is at least in a halfway home with others like him.
This one’s funny. So now Kelly’s a drug addict and guilty of the unsupported burglury accusations of the FPD because you have a brother with schitzophrenia. I can’t tell if your bashing or supporting him and his family. Sweeping generalizations based on nothing relevant while playing both sides of the fence….You should be a politician with those kind of skills.
Nope, you clearly didn’t read thoroughly. First of all I read multiple articles and the FPD was called because the people of fullerton were concerned about a making breaking into the cars. So technically the FPD was doing their job protecting the community from a potentially harmful situation. But the way they went about everything was all wrong. These assholes work in Fullerton where there isn’t much excitement and took it way to far.
I have volunteered at mental health care facilities, and done lots of research on this particular mental disorder. I have seen the way my brother gets during a psychotic episode, I have seen others during one. They are often extremely violent. I’ve seen people in Downtown LA screaming their heads off with icepicks in their hands. Dealing with mentally unstable people can be frightening especially when you don’t see it often.
Also I never said he was a junkie but that it was possible because like more than 75% of paranoid schizophrenics are substance abusers.
There was no sweeping generalizations with what I said, I just always access both sides of the story before making my judgement. I truly feel bad for him and his family. But you have to wonder if he was so gentle and mild why his family would let him live on the streets, they probably didn’t want him around. I just wish he could have been getting the care, medication, and attention he needed. 🙁
My comments on this situation were in no way “funny” they were genuine and logical, based on experience and knowledge on the subject matter. Not because most of you wanted to go on a Cop bashing spree. While the cops f*** this whole situation up by not knowing how to handle the situation or when to stop you’ll be singing their praises the next time when you need them.
unlikely Generally when criminals are more attractive than law enforcement to society, then the scales have tipped too far. We are in the beginnings of the formation of a police state in the US (and as desensitizing as it is to see citizens abused by law enforcement) if you were not aware of the socio-politico ramifications. If you have never been personally inside a Jail, then take that trip because what happens behind closed doors in nothing short of an eye opening revelation and where law enforcement officers can beat the crap out of you (almost but not exclusively while handcuffed), they are the most criminal sorts of personalities imaginable You mat not yet be effected and the transition of power is a slow process. In the olden days, the law enforcement agencies were no where close or approximating a “police State” for the sake of definition. Law enforcement is all federally subsidized, therefore there is no local agency when it comes to jurisdiction, on a real sense of things. The Military is sworn to protect the citizens of the United States of America, Law enforcement’s words and alliance-allegiance is to the central authority not the people and their usefulness in anything that benefits the public is minimal.
There were no drugs in the man’s system, he wasn’t identified as breaking into cars….this is made up by a person who thinks there can be an excuse for beating someone so repeatedly as to cause them to lapse into a coma and later die. CopHater: you are full of it. He had no weapons and no tools for crime, he wasn’t known in the community for mayhem. There can be no reason for this sort of viciousness in any civil society, period. It is gang mentality coupled with a feeling of invincibility from prosecution just as it is with any criminal gang and this group had a “Ring Leader” who is probably sociopathic. The difference? They were SUPPOSED to be public servants, law ENFORCEMENT who are held to a higher standard than a citizen and trusted with weapons capable of causing injury and/or death not the least of which are their fists and the knowledge and training on how to use them. These peole are murderers, not police and I hope they rot in jail until their children can’t remember their names.
I totally agree with u Cop Hater!!!
you are so dam ignorant! What evidence do you have that supports what you are saying? None at all….just stupid!
In this case it should be spelled “damn”. “Dam” is something for holding back water. Bur, what would we the ignorant know?
Shut the hell up Bob….How about you spell “But” instead of “Bur”….You are totally right! You don’t know shit….Just another dumb bitch in the world…SAD
It is far more likely that they were called there because someone was breaking into cars, and they assumed (incorrectly) that the homeless man was their perp. He was surprised to be suddenly surrounded by overly aggressive police, when he had done nothing wrong; they took his confused reaction as resisting, and the situation escalated with shocking speed from there.
If you actually had any real experience with the mentally ill, or with out-of-control cops, you would have come to the same conclusion, as opposed to this rather convoluted explanation which includes an assumption of drug use which no one (except you) has even suggested.
Either way, the end result is the same. Six well-armed men, professionals in the art of hand-to-hand combat, intentionally beat a defenseless mentally ill man to death while he cried for his daddy.
Execution is the appropriate punishment for this crime, in my opinion. They clearly acted outside the badge, so they should be punished outside the badge, and that’s the punishment they would be facing if they were civilians. In other words, these cops should and must be hung up as a warning to all other law enforcement personnel who might be tempted to engage in this kind of brutality against a citizen who poses no real danger to them, or anyone else.
So if the state of California won’t force the psychopaths on the Fullerton PD to answer for this murder, the US Department of Justice should and must do so.
Agree, they are coldly guilty of what they did to this man. The reality is these animals will walk away with their lucrative pensions and wealth they extorted from the community.
I completely agree I feel this case is going to send a message either cops are or aren’t above the law, and if they get away with this the repercussions will be huge.
the most sound and cogent comment yet, and I am 100% in agreement and assessment of this matter job well done
On a radio interview, the father said they tried to keep their son at home but then he would say he had to leave to be free and they couldn’t force him to stay. They did try and keep him in a half way home. Apparently, that’s not so easy with schizophrenics and you should be grateful your brother is willing to stay in the halfway home.
So maddening what happened. The FBI is now investigating the Civil Rights side of it.
HEY UNKNOWN THEY NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS EVEN THE ONE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SO YOUR GONNA BELIEVE THE STORY AFTER SEEING THE TAPE ARE YOU SERIOUS.YOUR BROTHER HAS ISSUES OKAY BUT MEANTAL ILLNESS DON’T MEAN THAT THEIR OUT BREAKING IN CARS.
Not to mention that all schizophrenics behave exactly the same way and not all are drug addicts. Because of their illness and their body’s reaction to anti-psychotic drugs, each person’s behavior is different. Just because your brother has a mental illness, this does not make you an expert. All you know is the experiences you have had with your brother. You know absolutely nothing about Mr. Kelly. Just because your brother is a thief and drug addict does not mean Thomas Kelly was. Maybe you should focus more on the facts rather than passing judgement on a dead man.
If you are such an expert on this man’s illness, why does your name not have M.D., P.M.D. or Psychologist after it. Do you even know what your name is? Unknown?
Saw all the negativity passed your way and just wanted you to know that everything you said has rung true- coming from another person who watched their brother slip down the drain that is the mental health system. My brother had schizophrenia ( he was murdered by another schizophrenic patient) and NO ONE can EVER know what theyre talking about until theyve been close to someone whos had this illness. They will NEVER know the half of it. My heart goes out to you and yours!
I don’t blame you for not wanting to visit Fullerton out of fear from our thug police force. I am from Fullerton and I apologize for our police force and our city council and how this situation is being handled. This is not the Fullerton I moved to 25 years ago and I am embarrassed and fearful myself.Unless the Fullerton City Council acts on this injustice, this IS the face of Fullerton and it is ugly and disgusting.
Eric – Fullerton is a nice city. I lived and worked there for year. Don’t base your opinion on one totally fucked-up event.
I live in Miami Beach and the police here behave like a band of thugs. THE UNION MAKES THIS POSSIBLE. I go jogging and whenever I see the police I cross the street and look at the sidewalk for fear of them getting upset that I think I’m a “tough guy” and they beat me. Don’t look the MBPD in the eyes if you don’t want to get beat. I’m white but I have dark skin so I’m a prime target. They shot an unarmed black guy as well as 4 innocent bystanders a few weeks ago.
comyeah I actually saw a video that was postted online of what I believe to be the same event you’re talking about. The police suddenly turned to the crown and started destroying peoples cell phones so that way there was no evidence and the only way I got the vid I saw was because the guy. Took the sd card out, but the police wont do anything unless the guy who shot the video will come forward and do you honestly think anybody is that. Stupid after seeing that shit? I know I wouldnt
Unions have been known to promote violent behavior. And this kind of behavior has a special place in HELL with each of thier names on it! How people can think so ass…backwards to think that the UNIONS give a crap about them is ignorance. I have worked for UNION businesses they ARE a business you are only worth the money they can get out of you. And they promote this kind of behavior that grows like a fungus of self rightousness. REALLY do we live in a 3rd world nation ( even their behavior is not brutual) where we are under educated and we need big DADDY UNION to speak on behalf of the ignorant.
Union tactics are the same as those of corrupt government agencies. They get their way through intimidation tactics and care nothing about the businesses they destroy.
That massacre faded away. They have the justice dept in their pockets.
This has been happening to my brother all my life get what I mean nothing new only difference is now you can see it for sure
This has been going on for so long, I’m frightened to go out.. This is what is in store for all of us. It’s called “New World Order. It’s done just because.. Whether you commit a crime or not.. This is what we as citizen is thought of.. Not loved ones, not human beings, not disabled individuals, but a tool to be used to for the police to take their frustrations out on. They do not serve and protect, but immediately become “The Judge, Jury, & Executioner, at will.. God Have mercy on us all!
Yup the government have gained way to much power so now the little guys (cops) think their balls hang to the floor
Yup, but there are some of us who are quite happy to cut off said balls and stuff them right down their arrogant throats!! People used to be able to respect those in who served as police officers. Now they are no better then any common street gang and should be dealt with accordingly when they step out of line.
The officers involved here should be EXECUTED and the word should be sent out all through the police unions that this won’t be tolerated and if you’re a cop and violate the publics trust, then your fate will be even worse than that you inflicted on your victim(s).
There is NOTHING more despicable than a crooked cop/DA/Judge!!!!!!!
Wish they did. would make it easier to step on them.
Omg
This is so wrong… You would expect this kind of Police brutality in LA but never expect that out of Fullerton. I was tears filled when the his video shows that he’s calling for his “Dad..” It’s just too sad! The uncontrolled law enforcement is like gang members with a badge and a license to kill. Justice needs to be
HOLD UP WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT IN L.A IS THE HUMAN BODY BUILT DIFFERENT HERE. DO WE LOVE ARE CHILDEREN LESS HERE. WE SHOULD NOT EXPECT POLICE BRUTALITY ANYWHERE ARE YOU SERIOUS. SO YOU CAN KICK ASS HERE JUST NOT WHERE YOU ARE. WELL LOCK YOUR DOOR BECAUSE THEY’LL BE KICKING ASS IN YOUR TOWN SOON.
@R…Seriously??? You really expect this kind of Police brutality in LA? Why? What is so different about LA? I’m not taking it personally because I don’t live in California, I was just wondering why you would expect this in LA but not in Fullerton. This was an awful crime and like any other crime, it can happen anywhere.
Absolutely Sick, what does anybody expect, if the goverment leaders could careless of the people, what does anybody expect out of so called law enforcement. I would rather be confronted by a gang member than a cop any time. Cops are very Scary, very Coxy and very Brutal. Everybody knows they will get away with what they did to this man. How sad the USA is becoming a third world country from the so called goverment leaders to law enforcement and everything else that is happening to our one time wonderful country that we used to have. How very very SAD.
Don’t lump in other officers that may not exhibit such behavior by implying the UNION has something to do with this. Keep your political propaganda to yourself.
GO to HELL PIG! COPS are not even human and their unions will never admit when they cross the line no matter what they do.
@ TG sorry yes we do need to lump any law enforcement who keeps silent when a pit-bull cop or cops beat down and murder a citizen the silence from the other so called good cops is very troubling nothing not a peep from any of them the union is no excuse to stay silent about rough cops who have become possible cold heartless killers.Black Beast Terminator Kenton Hampton Fpd and his 5 goon squad thugs are a menace to society.I f i were a Fullerton cop i would hide my head in shame.it is going to take a long while for Fullerton to heal from this police induced homicide. sorry any fpd officer could have sent an anonymous e-mail union is no excuse.
Thank you TG!! Not all police officers (Union or not) are like these low lifes.
One more theiving homeless parasite off the streets and out of system. Thank goodness. This video shows nothing of any value. The comments of the spectators are meaningless. The quickest way to diffuse a situation is for the police to show up in force and overwhelm the trouble causing person(s). If the idiot gets killed f-ing with the police, that’s what he deserves. Get along with society, don’t steal my stuff, and respect authority, and live a long life.
I sincerely hope you are confronted by these animals with badges some day and get what you deserve too. PIG
these assholes at the FPD are lucky they didn’t pull this crap in Mexico, they would wind up hanging from a bridge on the 91 fwy. i have several friends in law enforcement and worry about the day gangbangers stop targeting each other and turn their attention to cops. even worse would be them targeting an innocent cop that had nothing to do with something like the beating because the identity of the guilty piece of shits is being hidden from the public.
FUCK YOU DUMP TRUCK
You must be a cop you stupid fuck
Homer you are one funny person, in an odd and unusual sort of way. Guess it’s more like one of those maggots on texas roadkill in early August. When the day comes that you get beat in the face with the handle of a taser, shocked a couple times, and then literally crushed to within a little brain damage short of death by 4 to 6 people face down in a pool of your own blood after you’ve apologized abjectly, pleaded that you can’t breath, and then just called out to your Father for help with a voice getting slower and slower and weaker until it stops, let us all rejoice and “thank goodness” because that’s really what the brutal beating and crushing, literally, of the life out of somebody is right? … Goodness. You should move to one of those wonderful places where LEO’s get to play police officer, judge, jury and executioner any old way they choose. You’d like it.
You’re not only a brutal SOB who sounds scary. I wouldn’t want to meet you on a dark street, I think you are not playing with a full deck, buddy.
blame the union??
blame the union- rediculous.
policie have their own code of care for their own,which is deplorable but has nothing to do with unions. unions are good for workers, its our only voice and power against the corporate rule and corporate bullys who would have us all working for $5.00 per hour or less. and- we are getting there fast.
This is unhuman. These officers need to go to prison for this. This was totally uncalled for. I would love to be one of the jurors. I would put them under the jail.
Those fucking cops deserve to die of a violent beating too. They need to have their composite drawings on billboards like the scum bags that beat the guy at Dodger stadium! We need to rid the world of scum like that!
This isn’t about the union which protects worker’s rights. It’s about responsible behavior as a police officer and being held accountable for one’s behavior.
LETS GET USA TODAY THEN CNN TO START RUNNING THIS LIKE THEY DID FOR oak park hates veggies…. they did it for someone’s GARDEN now help them SEE THIS STORY http://www.usatoday.com/news/tips.htm and the facebook site for this what and where is it???
this is a damn shame that this man is beaten like this and the only thing you can come up with is the right wing talking point about how bad unions are, you’re a jerk and not very smart. The unions are the reasons we have a middle class, or should I say what’s left of it thanks to the righties trying to get rid of us,, read a book and learn history instead of making it up as you see fit
Wrong. The union is the political player that elected the chuckleheads on the council that have turned a blind eye to Fullerton ever-growing list of cop crimes. And something tells me we’ve just scratched the surface.
TROY DAVIS is going to be executed today for supposedly killing a cop ( which is still not proved!) and what about these cops proved to kill this man!!!!!!
There is a justice for the cops and one for the others!
What kind of justice is that!
Cops are racist and unprofessional because of their rude remarks. If you are brown or black and also have short-bald hair they assume you are gang related.They are also scared of the real cholos, crips ,bloods,cartels etc.
100% argee with that! Out of control!!
Having been beaten by Law enforcement while handcuffed twice in my life one expects that this is standard fair for being intelligent, which generally law enforcement is triggered by this and get their sick rocks off by doing. Our Criminal justice system is just that…a Criminal (operated by) Justice System which harbors bullies and incompetents who will lie manipulate and have destroyed the very purpose of the court system which now seems just a ha rang siphoning money from its citizens and has no interest in Justice because they are all collectively criminals with the authority to lie cheat steal and act out of violence
Tony, I get your point but posting this image in this manner is wrong on many many levels.
That said, it looks like someone who has been dragged through hell head first.
I certainly appreciate the outrage expressed by the Thomas family and will pray they find peace.
Greg I disagree. This beating is not getting the coverage or the transparency it deserves. The FPOA has fought long and hard to cover up this story, followed by the city and the the DA. After seeing this photo it is evident it was a tussle or anything like the register or any other media outlet described.
Rodney King did not look like this bad. It’s time for accountability.
I wholeheartedly agree with Tony publishing this photo. My condolences to the Thomas family…
I am a naturalized Mexican who loves and hopes for the best for this great state and country but the meager coverage in main stream media is not surprising. If this had been a Latino or black person that got killed there would be rioting in the streets. You see, only Latinos and blacks are victims of police brutality and profiling!!!
Isn’t there a law were the the people can decommission the police force in its entirety. And start overwith policy and rules set fort by the people in this city. This is a system run a wild I just can’t see how this type of over reach of power is continued.
Chuck, Welcome to California.
Not sure about Cali, but where I live, if a Police Officer did this to ANYONE he’d find his house up in flames by day’s end. Then again, we live in a community where the police are still respectful of the citizens (and where we outnumber State, County and Local cops combined 20 to 1).
Paradise.
Do children and women also count in there? And does everyone have firearms and are trained to use them professionally? I’m sure there’s almost no way to overpower the police. And these events happen rarely, I’m sorry for this guy and they did go overboard but most of these instances the guys provoke the police and they just don’t give in. Again, they did go overboard but who are you gonna call when you’re in trouble?
Hey fantASStic,
Are you really that much of a coward? “who are we gonna call 😛 I’ll take my chances and deal with the perp…who knows, I may save his life
Big talk but it’s all bullshit. If you saw something like this you would look the other way and run on home and hide. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t burn down a cop’s house.
@ Heyward
Yeah, no kiddo. In fact, cops don’t risk us retaliating in my neck of the woods. The simple fact is there’s WELL more of us than there is of them, and they know it. Hell, I live in a boarder town, so you can even count in customs if you want (we don’t).
Fact is, we have no NEED to firebomb the police. They respect us. Rest assured though, in my mostly gun-toting, republican area, people are more than happy to remind the cops who it exactly is that signs their paychecks. We’re not a bunch of cowards willing to stand by and do nothing. Sorry, but I don;t live where (or how) you do.
Fantastic you do realize the state has no legal obligation to protect you from criminals and cases in which calling 911 has successfully thwarted a criminal and protected someone are exceedingly rare. Buy a gun learn how to use it and know your rights because the day someone breaks into your home and your waiting for 911 to show up your going to be unpleasantly surprised.
People need to get involved!! It’s not getting the coverage it deserves but we can change that. E-mail the city council, e-mail your local news stations, share the link to the article/photo/video on Facebook. I did, and I’m spreading the word to as many people as possible! Do whatever you can, write to whomever you can to help get justice for this poor man. Doing the right thing is never easy, but it’s up to US as citizens to stand up for one another.
No, it’s not wrong. Everybody wants to sanitize life so that we are all insulated from upsetting things – from abortion to executions to blown up soldiers to looking the other way as police murder people. Some things are ugly and revolting. This is one of them.
If we can’t come to grips with the reality that our actions (or lack of actions) can have ugly consequences we will never address issues of accountability – in government or in anything else.
Right. Tony is a HERO. He selflessly posts items to ‘educate’ and encourage community involvement.
His strong views on how things ‘should look’ are a great example of how his selfless educational style is embodied in everything he does.
Rock on Tony.
How old is that ‘old looking’ building you office in? It must be, from the looks of it, around 1890 or so. You rock that you’ve taken it upon yourself to buy and restore such a historic icon.
Please, in the future, just tell me what/how to think and I’ll know I’ll have made the right choice.
With undying respect and admiration.
JS
Greg, I respect your opinion and in many cases you would be right. But the Fullerton PD, and the OCDA, has kept everything in this so hidden from pubic view that, in this case, I applaud this blog for posting this. We the people pay the cops’ salaries and they are supposed to protect us. There is a disclaimer on this and people can choose to not look.
How do you ‘like’ on here?
Greg,
There is NOTHING wrong with this.
This is community service/journalism at it’s best.
You can bet if it was a police union member the story (and the picture) would be front page news.
Thank You to FFFF for taking risks and doing whats right.
Fuck you Greg what if it was your dumbass in that hospital bed
Whats wrong, you too much of a cowardly cop lover or cop yourself & bascially uneducated based upon your degrading venacular & are you just plain stupid for thinking the beating was somehow justified. There is something seriously wrong with you. Please see a Shrink before you hust somone.
Quick Question: Did you seek permission from the deceased family to publish this picture?
Yes, people do deserve to know about the horrible actions against the police, but the man’s family also deserve to have control of how a picture like this is accessible to the public.
The family gave the image to this blog to publish. They want the truth to come out.
I strongly disagree with you Greg.
If this is how the police departments in our country will act, I believe that we should at least show them the victims that they’ve harmed with their abusive power. Police officers are meant to protect and serve the citizens of America. Our so-called justice system has not yet shown its vicious tooth yet, but with events like this appearing consecutively I’m sure it’ll will soon. Things like this absolutely disgusts and angers me.
Greg, I’m going to have to disagree with you. The liberal, post-Vietnam, nanny state that we have created may say that showing this image is wrong, but words could never fully convey the severity of this man’s injuries. By posting this image, in addition to the accompanying text, we are given a better understanding of the blatant abuse of power, and obvious disregard for the law, that these “officers” exhibit.
That being said, Tazers are touted as “less than lethal” weapons, and that may be the case, but only in the hands of properly trained, responsible individuals. Every day, we hear some story of how an individual, entrusted with the protection and safety of the public, abuse that trust. If we as citizens were to stand up to these jackbooted thugs, it would make life easier, not only for us, but for the officers that actually understand that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS, and respect what the badge stands for.
Are you kidding? Posting this image was GOOD
You are dead wrong Greg…Everyone needs to see what kind of filth walks around behind badges these days and what these little puke fascists are capable of. I weep for the family. It warms my heart when I see a cop get gunned down – especially in cold blood…what goes around comes around. The rapper Ice-cube said it best : F**k the police… Very few of them are worth their weight in diaper shit.
Posting this image is not wrong. The people who did this are wrong.
Even if he had robbed a bank, he didn’t deserve to be beaten and die like this.
To Greg, I understand you may very well just lost your lunch because I did. But the only way for the residents of Fullerton to know and understand the extent of the police beating was to see what they did to poor Kelly.
I support admin showing this image.
Oh my God, the cops that did this should get fired and jailed immediately!
Yes thats what i told my husband Im soooo mad n sad hes a human n cops dont care…….
How can Human Beings do this to another Human Being that ws not eminently threatening their life? It’s horrifying to know that such actions are rationalized in the minds of these men. Terrifying to realize the actions are rationalized by the Department.
Not only was he not threatening anyone’s life, it isn’t clear that he was doing anything at all. The police were supposedly there to investigate that someone was breaking into peoples cars, but so far the only thing we know so far is that Kelly Thomas was there – which he almost always was.
The FPOA may be a bunch of idiots, but focusing on that right now is a side show. Even good cops have police unions. The problem starts with bad cops and bad or absent leadership.
Police unions make it difficult if not impossible to discipline or terminate bad cops.
This man was killed by bad cops.
This is not a side show.
It is not the union, the union does not make you immune from the effects of law. The DA is not doing its job, you must have corruption in you rank and file politicians as well for this to happen. put the blame where it belongs. in the local DA and police administration.
I’m in the teamsters union in Boston and frankly the union can only do so much. These cops will walk away with a smirk, because of the politicians who are trying to buy off the family.
There is a chain of command (all of whom share directly in the responsibility for this CRIME committed by the officers below them) in the police department and there is a union which has a supposed (but actually just a fiction) responsibility for ensuring its members are capable and well trained.
Instead all we have is a bunch of politicized Union Thugs as vastly overpaid and now, we realize, just thoroughly corrupt takers and criminals.
Decertify and dump the Unions – all of them – from Fullerton City government. Fire those “spokesmen” who give false (self-serving)reports to news media or to the public or to the City Council.
Former Chief McKinley should recuse himself from any and all deliberations-discussions of any of these matters, he is effectively complicit in abd responsible for the obvious FAILURE of leadership of the Police Department which is now repeatedly showing its faults before our eyes.
unions are made by the people belonging to them. If this union is “bad” then it is the people that are part of this union that made it this way. the real question is where is the district attorney at on this. there has to be a level of corruption and good lo boy network going on for this to be ignored. you have far larger problems than a bad union it this goes unpunished. I bet there is a very low voter turn out there. if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem
Like I said elsewhere, anyone expecting Rackauckas to do anything useful is on crack. Ratbag has been investigated how many times by the Attorney General for one kind of impropriety after another, he stonewalls investigations of friends and allies and wages smear campaigns against opponents. He turned a blind eye to Carona’s blatant corruption for YEARS until Jaramillo finally rolled and Ratbag had no choice but to play or pay.
The DA’s office is a repuglican self-interest machine, nothing more or less. If you want justice, look elsewhere.
Perfectly said Rain & I Second your position & add that the Chief needs to be fired, along with his Deputy Chiefs & tried for Accompliaces after the Fact for Kelly’s MURDER by tug, knuckle dragging neanderthals.
The unions are EXACTLY like the smarmy, corrup FBD. Their methods are more like those of organized crime (which works hand in hand with the Teamsters. How many opponents of the teamsters ended up looking like KT and were buried in landfills. Police unions are no different than the most corrupt, thieving industry union.
Devastating.
Supervising Deputy Coroner Larry Esslinger of the OCSD said that the department performed an autopsy and that the cause of death was unclear.
caus of death unclear: OUTLANDISH!!!
Cause of death unclear, really? You have to be ignorant if you really think that. This is just wrong and I hope justice is served.
Perhaps because of multiple systemic failures, one particular cause of death would be difficult to ascertain. Perhaps he did not die of blunt force trauma in particular, but of complications of preexisting conditions aggravated by the assault.
Blah Blah Blah “BY THE ASSAULT”
Yeah, his heart stopped working because the dad of the brain dead guy pulled the plug. Cause perfectly clear.
Bring on the indictments.
You are a DORK for making such an absurd comment!
Jesus. Good luck explaining away this one, Goodbar.
Now where’s Tony Rackaukcus when you need him?
Is Tony R part of the problm or part of the Cure. The former, probably, cause I think he has big hands doing all of the “cover-ups”.
This sure makes other perceived issues and concerns around town seem trivial. Let’s stay focused on what is really important.
That is so brutal. My wildest imagination did not come up with a beating so severe. This picture needed to come out. Maybe now people will listen.
It’s a horrific photo. Peace officers sworn to serve and protect did this? How is possible that the entire City Council hasn’t demanded a release of the video? Have the six men involved in the brutal slaying been suspended? They should have been by now, and if they haven’t been, why not? How can anyone feel safe or served by a City Council of cowardly leaders who are burying their heads in the sand and hoping they can get back to their micro managing nit picking ways pronto. Do they really think this is going to just fade away?
Thank you Bruce Whitaker for being a voice for real law and order and accountability.
This picture tells a very horrific story. I would expect the FPOA to support and defend the 6 police officers who were involved in this incident.
However, I hope and pray there are many Fullerton police officers of every rank who are sickened by the actions of a few of there own.
It is extremely important for everyone involved…. the city, its citizens and especially the family of Kelly Thomas that the whole truth emerges and emerges as soon as possible.
The city council should take a leading role in ensuring that the truth emerges quickly! So far only Bruce Whitaker has shown leadership on this issue.
Kelly’s dad spoke calmly and graciously before the council last Tuesday night.
The mayor proclaimed afterwood that the city is still a safe one.
What he should have said is that nobody in the city can really feel truly safe until all the facts about the case become publicy known and the guilty are appropriately punished.
Like many of you, I have followed this story closely. I have read nothing that indicates that any of the 6 police officers involved tried to curtail the beating given to Mr. Thomas.
If that is correct all of them no matter how many punches each delivered to Mr. Thomas are guilty of this brutal beating that will be hard to justify under any circumstances!
I would like to like to send my condolences to the Thomas family and let them know that the vast majority of the people of Fullerton 100% support their efforts to learn the truth and for Kelly to posthumously receive justice.
This is what black people have been dealing with, all along when we raise the issue most of you wish the police should have kill the person in question, if Mr Thomas was of a different race would you feel the same way. No disrespect intended .When injustice goes unchecked eventually one day it will come to your love-one , no one is safe it is extremely important to put a stop to this brutality if not God help us.
I don’t know any history about this poor man…but I will not be at all surprised to find out that this man is/was seriously mentally ILL and needed HELP and TREATMENT…and NOT to be beaten to death by those who are sworn to protect and serve. Even if he was guilty of something, he still deserved a fair trial and some compassion…not beaten to death by “Peace officers” who assign themselves the jobs of jury, judges and executioners. Six Big,”brave,” peace officers…probably wearing bullet proof vests, and with every tool at their disposal, cuffs, sprays, trained in self defence, etc…and they are all STILL so scared of one man that they have to beat him to death??!! Don’t they learn how to take a man down without killing him?? And, don’t even try to tell me that the six officers felt their lives were threatened by this one man. “Peace Officers” MUST be trained how to recognize and deal with mental illness and how to safely transport to a mental hospital. Mental illness is a serious issue and it isn’t going away any time soon. What are they going to do? Kill all of the mentally ill people? Mental illness IS a serious disease…not a choice.
Hitler advocated for putting mentally I’ll people to death, I think it’s time for the Feds to investigate this one.
As horrible to witness as this is, I thank you for posting this picture. What happenned is beyond sickening, and we cannot sit back and do nothing. People need to see what happened and hopefully we will finally get enough anger boiling in people to ensure that this poor man gets at least some semblance of justice.
I simply do not understand how there are not riots in the streets over this abuse.
Well you never know, hopefully something will trigger the constituents to say screw this and take justice for themselves, since everyone in a position to do something is obstructing justice and giving human rights the metaphorical finger.
All of you are right, there is just a bit to add. I keep thinking: If they wanted to kill Kelly why did they not just shoot him..it would have been more humane. (Don’t remark on this as I am sure we all know the answer.)
As it was, it probably looked like a sick version of Fight Club.
Sadly, Marilyn Davenport got more press for a longer time than Kelly Thomas did, what is wrong with the news media? I think they are all running scared.
We should not be afraid of the police, they are supposed to be our heroes, instead, some of them are ferral gangs patroling our city with guns and billy clubs.
And for the “good guy” cops who knew of this, shame on you, you are as guilty as them.
It is so sad, unnecessary, and sad
here is a very short video that was posted in the fullerton stoires
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffullertonstories.com%2Fkelly-thomas-arrest-footage%2F%23.TiofVGt74ok.facebook&h=yAQDKK-nA
There was a time when our world was accepting of prejudice and discrimination against those who did not meet societal norms. That world has since changed. I am therefore baffled as to why a city built upon diversity could allow for such a horrific crime to burden one of its weakest inhabitants. Kelly Thomas was a part of our city, he was a human being. He was bludgeoned to death by our supposed esteemed officers, the individuals who are meant to keep our city a safe haven to those who have chose to make it their home. While it is understandable that our officers may have had reason to arrest Thomas, I still dare to ask ” Did the punishment befit the crime?” The tears shed by the Thomas family over the pain felt for their son’s untimely death, prove otherwise. The world was once a place where crimes such as the murder of Emmitt Till, an African-American boy who was murdered in Mississippi at the age of 14 after reportedly flirting with a white woman, were overlooked despite the revolting evidence of torture to an innocent human being. What Emmitt Till and Kelly Thomas have in common is that they were both victims to society’s depiction of what a human should be, and how a human should behave. Both Till and Thomas were left unrecognizable by the injury inflicted on them by the individuals who felt entitlement because of their place in society. Emmitt Till was murdered in 1955. We are in 2011. This isn’t the world of today. What happened so long ago should not be allowed to reoccur. So why has Fullerton let this happen? My response is the same as the father of Kelly Thomas, one of fear for our city’s people and disgust at the regression our world has began to experience.
To say this isn’t the world we live in today is a very privileged and naive thing to say.
Just a girl,
I’d have to say that this city wasn’t built on diversity. At the time the money started flowing into the coffers, diversity wasn’t even a consideration.
As this blog as consistently pointed out since it began, there remains a growing divide between those who have power and rely on the tradition of maintaining it, and those who have been –at times together, other times not, trying to point out gross oversights and injustices.
The writers of this blog have consistently come under scrutiny and have been disparaged by those who have traditionally had power. In fact, it became a running joke this past spring to see whether or not the admin’s name would fall on page 1 or page 3 of the Fullerton Observer and characterized as the city’s biggest villian ever. For fun, they would drag his brother’s name into too. But we who know them, knew it wasn’t true. In fact, the biggest enemy any civilized society is a combination indifference and arrogance.
I pause with immeasurable sadness that the galvanizing force for change not only within the police department, but with the entire city will be the death of Kelly Thomas. But at the same time, I also know changes such as this have a good chance in never happening. The FFFF is but one voice in the city, and hopefully, it will spur other organizations, groups and individuals to insist on a coherent plan for the future. It’s time for everyone to wake up, and see that this city they like to think of as small and charming, has real world corruption, arrogance and brutality.
We who insist, know that bad cops, indifferent politicians, and coasting city workers make it really hard for the good cops who are there. They need our support.
Cordially,
Kanani Fong
Anonymous, Your world view is troubling in that you seem to think this behavior from those in power is to be expected if not accepted. Thank god there are those who are appalled by such inhumanity because it’s all the proof we need that this is NOT normal behavior. Such abuse is evidence of a mindless mob that acts without reason. Americans should be much more concerned with policing in our country — it’s out of control on so so many levels.
This tragic event is not due to social injustice; it is murder
Those cop pigs, yes pigs, need to pay. Dearly.
Oh my.
OUT THE OFFICERS INVOLVED!
If they are exonerated, then they can be vindicated, WE AS THE PUBLEC DESERVE TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE!
No matter what Silver, Hadden, Silver, Wexler and Levine say. WE DESERVE TO KNOW!
How does those six FPD cops sleep at night after this photo?
Now, I fear for my life even driving through Fullerton.
Comment number one is very powerful and on point… some other good comments on here as well. I’m sharing this photo to turn some heads this way! *Fist in the air* Most go into law enforcement for the right reason… all police officers are supposed to be above breaking the laws they are charged with upholding, much less screened for types that could become bullies who’d pick on the defenseless they are sworn to protect!!
I think all of you guys should get your facts in order prior to casting stones.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffullertonstories.com%2Fkelly-thomas-arrest-footage%2F%23.TiofVGt74ok.facebook&h=NAQA1GEOE
watch this and HEAR the facts!!!! listen in video 2 how he yells DAD !!!!!! over and over
Jack why would ever be okay to beat someone that bad? In the video you hear witnesses say three of them are on his back and they continued to taser him!
Hey Silver, Wexler, Silver Silver. Are you still following this blog? Your client is a despicable bunch of murderers. Still threatening folks who uncover FPD crimes?
There’s a circle in Hell just waiting for you.
# 31Anonymous,
I am a freshman in college. What you perceive as naive, I find to be a hopeful perspective for a changing world. My apologies for your sad and jaded point of you.
Sincerely,
The Optimist.
Just a girl, I’m going to keep fighting for justice and causes I believe in but I’m realistic about the way the world is. If you think something like this is an isolated incident, you need to get out of whatever bubble you’re living in. It takes knowledge to fight ignorance, how can you argue for a cause like this when you’re basically denying the existence of this sort of abuse? We have to recognize what’s wrong if we want any change.
This is murder.
A crime INDEED has been done & THERE ARE PEOPLE responsible for this…How can they sleep at night? No matter what crime someone may or may not have committed THERE IS NO EXCUSE for this…My prayers for strength go out to this entire family & the friends who knew & love him.
This is horrific beyond belief!! Kelly was screaming for his DAD while he was on the ground helpless- being BEATEN TO DEATH!!! And the “peace officers” just kept on mercilessly beating Kelly!! They were not satisfied until he quit screaming and breathing. So, let me get this straight- if you are mentally ill (and you most likely don’t even understand the instructions that are being given to you) and you are being BEATEN TO DEATH- you are not allowed to so much as scream or move around in agony as you are dying or try to avoid the blows in order to preserve your own life? -according to the “peace officers'” standards ?? I wonder if the “peace officers” could hold themselves to the same high standard they were demanding of Kelly and never scream or move at all while being beaten to death?? What callous monsters these officers are to gang up on a helpless man and beat him to death while he is lying on the ground! Heaven help us all if this murder is excused and allowed to go unpunished. WHY, WHY, WHY, didn’t they just hand cuff Kelly and take him to jail if they were so sure he had done something wrong? Six officers couldn’t hold Kelly’s hands long enough to hand cuff him?? Or, why didn’t they take Kelly to the hospital for a mental evaluation on a 5150 if they thought he was “a danger to himself or a danger to others”? Mental illness is not a crime and people who are mentally ill don’t deserve to die because of an illness they have no control over. The officers treat animals better than they treated Kelly. These officers do not belong on our streets terrorizing citizens even one more day; they belong in jail for the rest of their lives! It is way past time for our “peace officers” to start treating the homeless and mentally ill people with humanity, compassion, dignity and respect. These types of horrific incidents have happened before and they will happen again, unless we start to demand a much higher standard of care, real knowledge and education about mental illness (NAMI offers free classes) and empathy towards those with mental illness. Heaven knows- the way our economy is going right now, the numbers of homeless people are just going to keep increasing- and next year it could be you or me in that same situation- being harrassed or beaten to death by the “peace officers”- for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time!! Police brutality is not acceptable at any time. We must not accept this heinous murder, nor excuse it. My heart is broken listening to Kelly as he cries out for his Dad to help him. What absolute heartless murderers we have wearing badges who did this to Kelly! The “peace officers” were not even moved by any compassion at all to stop beating Kelly as he cried for his DAD to help him. Kelly wouldn’t have harmed a fly and yet six big tough “peace officers” had to prove how tough they are by murdering a helpless, mentally ill man. I am absolutely sick to my stomach; this evil murder is so disgusting. You would think we were living under Saddam Hussein. This is cold blooded murder under the color of authority. We have heartless, murdering sociopaths wearing badges. Be careful fellow citizens. Very careful. We are not safe until we root them all out.
What is the meaning of life?
My thanks to this blog for keeping us informed about this tragic story when none of the other media will!
My thoughts exactly. Not even the Register will post anything. If this was 6 men beating up on one officer, every face would be placed all over television and dragged through the mud. It’s unfortunate that nothing more has come out. It’s the idea of, if we all be quiet maybe it will go away.
The notion that “most cops are good” is bullshit. At least half of them are arrogant pricks. Especially the Chief.
Are you people stupid? Everyone one of you seem so shocked!!! This kind of thing happens quite often and not just in Fullerton! Do you all live n a plastic bubble? And you hope they have been suspended? Shouldn’t they be in jail? Anyone else would be!
admin, where did you get that photo?
Q this photo was taken by Kelly Thomas’s grieving father, they weren’t going to release the photo but with the media not covering this obvious murder by fullertons finest it seems they have no choice but to release this very saddening photo.
The truth MUST be told!! Obviously, we can not rely on the media to tell this story; the media seems to think that we are only interested in celebrities and other puff stories. I hope everyone will post information about this murder on their Facebook pages, tell all your friends, co-workers, etc, and send e-mails and letters to council members, news outlets, youtube, etc…please help make this go viral and make sure the council members hear us loud and clear! RELEASE THE VIDEO!!
A HUGE SPOTLIGHT on this heinous crime will help to ensure that there will be justice for Kelly Thomas. Massive public awareness is the best hope we have for demanding compassionate treatment of people suffering from severe mental illness and homelessness. Let me ask the FPD in particular, and ALL other police/sheriff’s depts in general, (since this is NOT an isolated incident): Since when did being bludgeoned to death become a cure for mental illness or homelessness? One out of every hundred people nationwide, suffers from schizophrenia. Mental illness is NOT going away and homelessness is also NOT going away any time in the near future. Do officers plan to murder all of these unfortunate people- just because the mayor wants to rid the city of the transient population?? Homelessness and mental illness are not crimes.
We had a great rally in front of the police station this morning (Saturday). Good turnout and lots of support for the Thomas family. Norby made an appearance, but Sellers couldn’t quite drag his ass over from the library’s grand opening ceremony to make a statement.
Over 150,000 people in Fullerton and you only had 25 people. That wasn’t a great turn out.
Yes. The Fullerton PD obviously needs to start murdering people with homes and bank accounts.
How many showed up to support the cops?
125,000. DAH!!
It’s a GREAT turn out considering the apathy in this city.
Keep it up. Widely broadcast your next protest on Facebook.
Oh! no! no! This can’t be happening……….. I could not even look at the picture above properly.
How can be people so evil??? This is an innocent guy. I see him time to time at the Bus Stop when I rode the bus. He comes and pleasantly say hi! I never saw him as a threat.
I don’t think anyone deserve this treatment.
This is not an isolated incident to Fullerton. As many have pointed out, there is a direct correlation between the union’s power and the rise in cases like this. As a country, and particularly in CA, we are becoming a fractured society. You have three classes of people.
1. The very rich and connected
2. Government Employees
3. The rest of us.
If you are not in groups 1 or 2, that photo could very well end up being you one day.
In CA the power of the unions is outrageous. These people have managed to enslave the rest of us to pay them lavish salaries and benefits. They feel entitled to it and we are not to question their authority.
Also I feel the problem with the city council can clearly be linked the the union’s power. It is not just the campaign donations, it is that an increasing number of them are former union members themselves. They retire so young that they still want to work and what better way then to double dip at the expense of the rest of us. The rest of us have to work till our 70’s and often don’t have the time to be on the council.
Next election, don’t look at whether someone is a D or and R, look to see if they are a former government employee. If so, vote NO.
True. Every word.
Oliver I agree except about the government employee thing. Norby was a government employee during his first career. He taught history in Brea. He would fight against unions. Although he has been quiet on this.
Whitaker is a government employee, works for Norby. He has come out asking for the video to be released.
I think the best why to vote is to find out who the unions support and vote for the other guy. It’s the only way we will beat these unions.
Here’s to one day supporting a union free police force!
Yes Watcher, Norby is a great guy who we should all emulate. He “would” fight against the unions? That’s hillarious! Woulda, shoulda, coulda; where is he now? The only time Norby fights is against his wives, pregnant or not, and that’s only when he’s not driving drunk, or without his seatbelt during a “click it or ticket” campaign!! Corruption BEGINS with these politicians, how is it that you don’t see that? If you want the bad apples to fall from the tree, start shaking it from the top!!
I am sorry I don’t subscribe to unfounded claims that were started by the police union. However believe what you want. You’re right Norby has a few ex-wives how come we don’t see them parading around giving credit to these claims? Norby is far from the top. He is a peon in this fight. But you voted for Brown didn’t you! Public employee unions win again!
The only people who repeat these stories about Norby are the police unionistas and their camp followers.
Apparently Fullerton has become Rampart south with a police department hopelessly corrupt.
The house needs to be cleaned and these 6 need to be outed to the public and jailed to make the streets safer.
Mythoughts and prayers are with this man and his family! I am disgusted! Being a female I always thought that being a cop was my dream job, but now you have pussy’s with guns thinking that they are bigger than life taking lives! Pathetic!
“#65 by Oliver Stone”
Oliver gets it – he is right on the mark.
Well stated Oliver.
Really Sebourn, you disagree of posting the picture? Tony and you didn’t plan it to keep this post all riled up… Please! Not that it has anything to do with the actions of the cops, but I have seen posts in the OCR about no one knowing the father of transient at the Sheriffs Department. This site and the OCR continue to say that he is. Can you please clarify this with him. Thanks.
Doesn’t have anything to do with the actions of the cops? So he just bashed his forehead against the curb all by himself just for hell of it?
GED.
Don’t waste your time. That was Goodwrench.
Did anyone else notice that Kelly Thomas’ father is a retired Fullerton cop. On the news he basically renounced the brotherhood and said he wished he was never a part of it.
No he is ex-OCSD.
So many of you are correct in that the problem with the general attitude of the police these days is one of power and it IS supported by the Unions — make no mistake, or do so to your own detriment. I’ve always respected the police until lately with what I see in them nationwide. There ARE a few good ones and many more on a power trip that fits right into the position well for the purpose being built upon today. In this instance, no one could ever tell me there weren’t enough cops there to subdue this man! Instead, they were threatening to take onlookers trying to get them to calm down to jail — really? Perhaps if they’d listened to the onlookers this man would still be alive! There is an elite group that has grown so far out of control in this country it should be made illegal — modern day “mobs” and that would be the unions and all the others involved in restructuring and bringing down a free America full of citizens with rights! If you’re in a union, get out and don’t support this kind of power structure being built upon with your dues. Call me paranoid, fine, I don’t care because I know I’m right and you can see it time, and time, and time again — just open your eyes!
FFFF and its followers:
Many of you are using Kelly Thomas’s death here as an occasion to launch ad hominem attacks and vent personal hatred on your favorite political targets.
By politicizing his death in such a manner, you are not glorifying it, rather you are actually doing the exact opposite. To use it as a mere introduction hook for your own general ranting and raving is to diminish its significance.
If you cannot show respect for the dead, at least show respect for the family.
Please stop trivializing Kelly Thomas’ death.
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Funny. The Thomas family doesn’t think FFFF is “trivializing” anything. ONly the FPOAs lawyers do. And you.
Are you a representative for the Thomas family FR? Is Tony? Is Travis?
Yes the photo is graphic and tragic and so was the outcome. Police work is and can be brutally violent. There appears to be sense of naivete in the comments that people are surprised that people will suffer injuries at the hands of police officers. Has any of you tried to take into custody someone who is mentally ill and or under the influence, much less “merely resisting” your efforts to take them to jail? In police work, people get injured and yes, sometimes die. I do not know who the officers were that were involved or if the FPD has a pattern of conduct with these types of incidents. What I do know, if someone does not want to go to jail and fights you, it’s not like TV. The article mentioned some of the officers were hurt. What are their injuries? Are they consistent with this incident?
Would the outrage be the same if the male was Black or Latino? (btw, I am Latino). Or Female? As a long time, now retired civil servant, I know I worked for the public and it was demanding. However, the public sometimes does not care how the dirty job is done, just that it gets done. There is a reason why Fullerton, Torrance, Burbank and other cities are considered safer by its citizens (and some bad guys) than my former City of Los Angeles. Officers from those departments are aggressive in police work which keeps bad guys from setting shop in town.
Does excessive force happen. You betcha. Was it present here, I don’t know as I wasn’t there. But as with ALL LEARD’s (Law Enforcement Related Deaths), you better believe this case is going to be scrutinized to to upteenth degree. As will surely the civil claims and law suits. I can tell you this: none of the involved officers are celebrating or gloating regarding the outcome. It’s more like “Ah the shit is going to hit the fan”.
I feel bad for the dad in this because he has to recognize the need for the officers involved to do their job and go home at night (which is the goal for ALL police officers), and knowing your son died at the hands of his fellow LEO’s.
All in all, a sad outcome for his family.
LAWLEY…your comment makes sense to the average person out there. You can’t get past a logical explanation to these thick headed people. Yes its unfortunate what happened and I feel for the family. This incident just helps all those people who hate this city to vent.
jd, “hate” is the word some people use when describing certain foods they don’t like.
“Accountable” is the word smart people use when they are trying to make things better.
And you really think all these haters are making things better?
Better is a relative term depending on who you are talking to. Kelly didn’t have to die, that makes what happened unnecessary, not unfortunate. If the small noise being generated by this “incident” gets these murderers who operate under the very law they are sworn to uphold, off of the streets and into jail cells? Then yes, all of us haters are making things better… At least trying to
So six men couldn’t subdue one man who is of medium height and one hundred and sixty lbs? Are you really that stupid as to not recognize an obvious and disgusting abuse of power. If it takes more then two officers to subdue a regular unarmed man with all the tools they have at their disposal then they need to find a different job, I don’t know if you’ve ever been tazed but it certainly doesn’t take 5 rounds to be “subdued”.
Lawley,
your excuses for criminal behavior do not hold waterr.
junior – you’re a better man than I.
I’d have hoped your comment would have read: “Lawley, you are full of shit.”
Then I could continue pretending to be a bit more cultivated.
Rain,
Nawh …. I really wanted to tell Lawley that he is a DRMF and to FOAD.
There is no exuse for this – this is the work of vicious animals.
Lawley and junior –
I apologize for interjecting crude language into this discussion. Lawley’s comments were far more valuable than my dumb quip.
Pardon me, Fullerton Rudy. I didn’t know you are a spokesperson for the Thomas family. I’m surprised to hear that Mr. Thomas doesn’t mind if libertarians use his son’s death to smear unions, taxes, the city council, Pam Keller, Loretta Sanchez, and a ribbon cutting at the public library. Maybe FFFF can get KFI 640 and the Ken and John Show down at the Slidebar to exhort soundbites and slurs about these unrelated issues on live radio!
Would that be another good way of supporting the Thomas family?
Mr. Thomas gave FFFF that image to use. That suggests support, now doesn’t it?
I just have to say I find it hilarious that a pseudo-intellectual finds it necessary to attack this blog for its politics (that range from libertarian to environmentalist) while running cover for the dead-head cowardly liberals and repulsive repuglicans of Fullerton.
P.S. I am not a libertarian – so sorry to spoil your narrative.
P.P.S. You still want us to wait two years?
mariadejesus, you obviously have a lot to say on this subject. If you write a post I will publish it.
Thank you, Fullerton Rudy, for that bit of information. If the adminstrator had indicated “Photo released with the permission of the Thomas family” in the caption, a lot of confusion would have been eliminated, particularly given that another photo on this site (Fullerton Library ribbon-cutting) was posted without the source’s permission.
I also thank you for referring to me as a “pseudo-intellectual.” No one has ever called me that before!
I have not attacked the blog’s collective political perspective, rather my dismay is with the way in which individuals here are exploiting a man’s death–“Many of you are using Kelly Thomas’s death here as an occasion to launch ad hominem attacks and vent personal hatred on your favorite political targets.”
Yes! Some of my favorite political targets are the cowardly Fullerton liberal like Quirk, Keller, McClanahan, the Kennedy clan, et al who are afraid of their own shadows and who, when it comes to a REAL protest against a real injustice (and not some theoretical liberal nonsense) will hide every time.
So right, Rudy. Fullerton’s liberals are in love with abstractions like “social justice” and “freedom of speech,” and “due process.”
Other than that the only protest you’ll see them at is demonstrations for higher pay – for themselves!
What about the conservatives who were absent from the REAL protest? Norby made an appearance, sure, but where is his public statement and letter? His website makes no mention of the incident. What about the Fullerton Positive people? Where were they? Have they taken a position and issued a public statement? What about the downtown restaurant owners? What about the Mike Reiter and the Downtown Business Association or Theresa Harvey and the Chamber of Commerce? What about Paul Dudley and Tony Florentine? Cameron Irons? And where was Shawn Nelson and Sean Francis’ buddy John Cross? Remember, the former head of the Fullerton Police Association who was fired for using excessive force. And, speaking of Shawn Nelson, where was he? What’s his public position? No a word on his website either. And Sean Francis, the young conservative mover and shaker in Fullerton. Norby’s buddy. Nelson’s campaign manager. Where is Francis? (Hiding under the carpet? Protected by a code of silence?)
All excellent points.
And so again I invite you to write on post on the Thomas affair. Hell, write a post on any subject and I’ll publish it.
All I could do was cry when watching the video and seeing the picture. Ashamed to say Ilive in Fullerton for the first time !!
“No one has ever called me that before!”
Somehow I doubt that. Anyway, admin has invited you to write your own post on the Kelly Thomas homicide. Will you do it?
I decided to google “kelly thomas fullerton”. Surprisingly, the first hits were from sites called fullertonstories and fullertons future. The Rodney King incident was a national story and he actually lived. This story is barely an Orange County story, let alone a national story. Where is the media? I understand that police officers have to deal with the scum of our society but this is not right. I could even understand if one or two officers couldn’t control him and this happened. But six? This could be their son. This is moral decay at its worst.
Too many police officers enjoy the beating the give to people. I am sure they can’t wait to join the Fullerton force because it is a fairly safe city, but has a robust night life, giving them opportunity. I am sure they all went back to the station and boasted of the beating. And it was not until he died that they had regret. The regret being that they were in deep $&@#. These officers,and many more like them, act as judge, jury, and executioner. It’s time that citizens fight back against this egregious behavior.
The problem is (I think) is that nobody cares about homeless mentally ill people. I have a head injury, nobody understands mental disabilities. to the mainstream media he was just a bun. I have dealt with this problem for years
There is absolutely no doubt that this is 100% wrong and those cops, that department, etc should be brought to justice and put under a microscope.
And no, there’s nothing wrong with posting this. People should know the truth.
There’s just one thing I don’t understand or agree with. I can’t find the article so I guess we could say it’s a “rumor” but if this family tries to sue the city because of this incident, that’s completely outrageous. The victim was “homeless” which means the family didn’t bother to get him the help he needed. As a former deputy, that father must know all the community services available to the mentally ill. All the rallying and supposed love and support… where was this dedication when he was alive? If he had died any other death, for example, overdosed on the street, would there be any attention drawn to this? Would people feel so sympathetic towards this family? They could have put him in an institution instead of trying to cash in on his tragic death. It’s disgusting and I hope that people concerned enough to read all these comments will take that into consideration. If my little cousin’s school budgets get cut to pay off some family that abandoned their homeless son, I don’t consider that justice.
Take those incompetent and flat-out evil corrupt cops to prison and they’ll get more than served up. The city should take responsibility for supervising their employees, but paying off this family that clearly relieved themselves of any responsibility for their son is not legit.
some guy from LA, let me as you this. I know Kelly was on the streets because I always saw him walking around town spanging for dough.
But if he was so estranged from from his family why was he screaming out for his father as his last act???
#108: “The victim was “homeless” which means the family didn’t bother to get him the help he needed.” “…where was this dedication when he was alive?” // You should educate yourself about the many issues regarding homelessness and mental illness before casting judgement on this man’s family. You don’t know what they did or didn’t do to support him.
“If my little cousin’s school budgets get cut to pay off some family that abandoned their homeless son, I don’t consider that justice.” // Wow. Me me me, right? I’m stunned at your lack of empathy.
Amen, brother!
@Diane K.
Maybe you just have to give it time. I’m from NY and I’m just hearing about this from a NY-based blog site (Gawker.com – I’ve heard that it was also posted on HuffPo but I couldn’t find it).
Anyway, I’m sure that soon enough the rest of the country will be made aware of this disgusting situation. Things like this tend to come to light eventually.
Wow, some guy from LA, that’s harsh. You don’t know the family’s situation. Maybe they tried to get him help for years and just couldn’t deal anymore. Have you ever had a family member with a serious mental illness or severe addiction? After a while, there’s really only so much that you can help them if they are not willing to get help themselves/commit to treatment.
Also, I think that civil suits in cases like these are justified because many times that’s the only way that the family will get any semblance of justice since criminal cases against the police often have laughable outcomes. It sucks that the taxpayers would have to be penalized for it, but maybe that will be the motivation to have better accountability for the police. Anyway, I don’t mean to hog up this space with my comments.
value critic and NYer, comments respectfully noted. it is true that i don’t know the background and it was harsh. in a discussion with a friend, he also mentioned the accountability factor and it may be true. emotions just kinda took over when reading the articles and seeing the footage. would have been nice if it were prevented and the guy got the help he needed, that’s all.
value critic, far-stretched but on another blog, some people wrote that he might have been crying for his dad because he thought he was one of the cops.
despite everything, horrible event
Yes like when people call out for the mom when they are dying because they think their mom is killing them.
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps when I fart angels will fly out of my ass singing ‘hallelujah!’.
“some people wrote that he might have been crying for his dad because he thought he was one of the cops.”
Interesting theory but in no way relevant to the issue.
Yes there are good cops…but they lose that designation the minute they join to protect the bad ones…which means there are no good cops!
SOME GUY FROM LA, you have your head stuck in your ass!! Now go back to LA and learn about something Mental illness before you come back My cousin has mental issues and he would rather live on the streets!
ik it is frowned upon to hurt other people in this country but lets be honest everyone that feels sorry ( i am one of them ) would like to personally fuck the cops shit up. this is overly brutal in any sense. i hope they burn in hell
Omfg , what the hell is wrong with them . that pore guy ): Police officers , Do ur f*ckin’ job , U ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING PEOPLE NOT KILLING THEM FOR NO REASON . Stupid idiots .
While the cops were actually tasing the man, his son was screaming “Dad! Dad! Dad!” and he just watched his own father get mercilessly get beaten badly by several cops
Glad that I’m not living in the US, since it looks like the cops can get away whit just about anything…
What the hell is wrong with the police?? Do they think they are right? Just because they have a gun or a taser doesn’t mean that they can go around shooting them just because they suspect something.
My condolences to the Thomas Family. I’m so sorry.
my family has alotta friends that are police. But none of them are douchebags like these people must have been. I’m sorry, but even if you’re a cop… that doesn’t mean you put you’re safety above that of a citizen. Yes that citizen may be trying to harm you, but if he is empty handed, you put your body on the line and try to restrain them… NOT beat them senselessly till they physically can’t fight back. The police officers in this video are a disgrace to police the world over. I don’t usually wish ill on people, but the officers that responded to this call need to be fired for misconduct taking away pension etc… and possible jail time / being sued by the mans family. This sickens me.
This is an outrage and must not be brushed under a rug. The mentally ill are discriminated against, mistreated and misunderstood. He was an extremely mentally Ill man who felt in danger and took a swing at a cop who outweighed him by a good 50 lbs. Contempt of Cop is not an excuse to beat a man to death. If each person who has seen Kelly’s photo forwards it to their facebook friends, along with the article, or link about Kelly – It cant be overlooked. This isnt a conservative or liberal issue, it is a human issue. God Bless Kelly Thomas.
All it takes to bring this kind of thing to a screeching halt and send an “in your face” message to the authorities is for a jury to let one or two cop killers walk with a not guilty verdict– an incredibly dangerous move but one the police may be forcing on the public.
Like the old saying goes: “An eye for an eye”. So by that we must do the exact same damage to the cop(s) that did this and see how they feel. OR, Fire them and plaster their image all over the place as murderers (because they basically are) and make them pay for what they did, may it be legal issues or just being fired, no pay, paying a fine for 6 months every year for 12 years, ect.
90% of cops = TRASH
And we pay our tax dollars to promote and support this shit? This is terrible! There is no exuse for beating somebody to death! whether you be a officer(so called protector of the people) or just an ordenary citizen, There is absolutely no exuse!!! Homeless mentally ill people are people too ya know… If they are mentally ill and not being compliant with the policies it is not their fault and the officers do not have to beat people just because they are not being compliant for reasons they obviously do not understand and probably just think ” Oh another person wasting my time being a punk let’s beat him until he’s senseless and can’t comply at all with what we are telling him instead of taking him to a hospital where they CAN ACTUALLY HELP HIM!!!”
WHAT THE FUCK! This is what we pay taxes for?! Also why were all of those people just standing around fuckin’ help him. If those cops don’t serve some serious jail time I’ll be even more royally pissed off thanb vi am now
This is an outrage. Police do nothing to produc income, they are essentially slaves to the taxpayer. Shame on such a bunch of vile and disgusting police officials. Just a bunch of thugs!!!
It really hurts to see this, however, this is just the way the world is. It won’t stop here, it never will stop. People of so called higher authority will always abuse their power and they will never get the rightful justice they deserve.
Now i’m Atheist….but i wonder. What does God think of what is beautiful creations have become……Despicable!
Humans have the choice to be Godly or not that’s the point of love it’s the choice. You can not believe in God but you can’t use ungodly people with no faith as an argument for Atheism.
It is sad the way the life of Kelly Thomas came to an end.
Thanks to the brave heroic acts of the FDP.
If the situation was reversed, and it was a cop who was beaten up and died after being coma for seven days. I know the cops would have calmly waited for DA’s office to legally bring the culprit to justice. They would never hunt down the culprits and shot him like a dog. We know the cops would NEVER EVER hurt a citizen.
What is this world coming to??
Oh my god…where is their sense of humanity…at what point do you think to yourself, im gunna do this, im going to continue to do this, IM GOING TO BEAT THIS MAN TO DEATH. I hope their children see this. I want them to explain this picture to their children. This is an outrage. I am disgusted.
this is ridiculous this clearly puts the city of fullerton’s police department to shame and maybe it should be right about right to re evaluate who is working in this police department.
This
wtf all those stupid fucking police should be beat to death and i really hope someone dose it
I believe NWA said it best; Fuck The Police.
Widely broadcast this to everyone you know.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=133851206703694&view=wall¬if_t=event_wall
Probably would have been a little harder to beat the guy if he was at work….
Wow, If I was one of the people standing by and watching what I would start screaming and yelling at the police. I’m only 16 but fuck that, I’d go up to the police and yell. And if I could save the poor guy from getting beat to death, I’d even push the police too. Fuck the law. They cant go around killing people!
Gabrielle, the law didn’t kill Kelly, the cops did.
My cousin is a police officer and I do not understand how some police departments can have these kinds of psychos on the force. The gang mindset and abhorrent behavior exhibited by police in major cities scares me to death. You do not see it around here. I remember one incident not too long ago where one cop bumbed into someone and went off on him. The other officer jumped out of the car, took him down and placed him under arrest for assault and battery. The idiot cop was fired on the spot and the department was not sued over it!
There are some good cops out there, but we need more of them to replace these pumped-up bullies just looking to hurt someone.
When I first saw this, my stomach turned. No one should be beat to death like this man was. Then I grew concerned that it was posted without the consent of the family…but the family, Kelly’s father, was the one who gave it to the blog.
I also thought that the picture would spur a riot. Sadly, the public outcry has been non-existent as far as the media is concerned.
Those worried about officers on leave with pay should be more concerned that the officers are still FREE. If anyone else had beat someone to death, they would have been arrested, booked, and charged for MURDER. They would sit in jail with a million-dollar bond and a trial would ensue.
TRAGIC…..
This is utterly unacceptable of any kind of police work, the police are meant to protect the people in their county and district. How safe does this make people feel. Not safe at all if a man can be this brutally beat by police who are trained well enough to know better. No one absolutely no one deserves to die this way in any circumstance. Something must be done to ensure nothing like this ever happens again in the region it is disgusting to believe that even police can cause this much bodily harm to a homeless man who lives on the streets. How will the family of Kelly Thomas ever survive knowing that there are law enforcers that can live with the fact someone has died at their hands.
I may not live in the United States but this has reached the country I live in and this family of Kelly Thomas deserves to be answered.
This God damn animals called police officers by their city town need to be beat up till their heads fall off.
Who do they think they are? This goddam animals are on crack, meth or something because beating someone like this may only be justified by someone who does drugs.
I truly hope these animals suffer if not here in hell where Satan will hang-onto their souls and rape them for ever and ever.
Fullerton cops may be damned by Satan and all demons!
Things like this that make other countries look at the US with shifty eyes, usally when a person is tased he can’t do much, but to go to this length of beating is just horrible. How about letting the son get a crowbar and go to town on those police officers, teach them how it feels to be helplessly beaten.
in my opinion when some one is in the process of killing a helpless person, they need to be killed, uniform or not.
this is only going to get worse
I would like to encourage everyone to send an e-mail to the Fullerton City Council, via the link above. This could be you or one of your love ones next time. These animals don’t belong on the streets, let alone wearing badges. I frequent the train station where this happened, and I saw Mr. Thomas in the days prior to his murder. He never showed any signs of being violent to anyone. How ironic that his father turned out to be a former Orange County policeman; perhaps there will be a bit of justice. Please take a minute to contact the Fullerton City Council, and express your outrage at this madness.
I honestly can’t even come up with adequate words to say how outraged and disgusted I am that this was allowed to even occur. I am all for police departments defending justice and protecting the peace, but I hardly see how brutalizing an old man, after tazing him five or six times, has anything to do with justice or peace. This is just pure police brutality and abuse of power. And seriously, what kind of message is this sending about crime prevention and the justice system not just in Fullerton, but in our country as a whole? It’s stories like these that make me lose all faith in any and all authority officials! Maybe I missed some kind of memo, but if possessing a uniform and a badge is now some kind of license to live and work above the law and turn some poor citizen into your own personal punching bag, then please, someone, enlighten me!!
i say fuck it dude! i would love to set a time and place to riot in . this is total injustice, what kind of a country do we live in. Im sworn to protect the United States constitution from all threats foreign AND DOMESTIC. this is definatly an attack on that, as a US soldier i say fuck the police.
Thank you for service to protect my family, but a riot won’t accomplish anything. Vote and pull the jerks out office that allow this to happen. They feel empowered and as long as that happens, nothing will change. Once again, thank you form one military person to another.
There is a memorial/protest set for 9:00AM at the Fullerton Police Department. The address is 237 W Commonwealth Ave. in Fullerton, CA. Should be continuing through the afternoon. Please show your support and demand accountability.
There is a memorial/protest set for 9:00AM at the Fullerton Police Department. The address is 237 W Commonwealth Ave. in Fullerton, CA. Should be continuing through the afternoon. Please show your support and demand accountability.
For more info:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=133851206703694
when i saw that picture my heart literally skipped a beat. no one should be treated that way no matter what “reason” they have for doing it.
What the police did to this man is disgusting. I hope they are punished for what they did.
Murder. 1st degree murder. The officers did not stop until they were satisfied that the person was silent. Let no person in authority know that behaviour resulting in the needless death of a fellow human being will not result in criminal charges. Being a police officer carries respnsability to be fair and just. This was a crime by those who acted without fear of conseqences. Let the people know that this is not how we teach our officers to behave.
I’ve been beaten by the “police” for being homeless in the wrong town. I’ve been beaten by park rangers for being homeless in the wrong woods. You people are surprised that “police” do this? Wake up. This isn’t new or a special case. It happens EVERY DAY all over this country. The only thing that’s gonna make it stop is for people to get off their collective asses and DO SOMETHING. Talking isn’t enough. If it was, politicians would actually be useful.
Really fcked up what happened not that i don’t think that each office included in this should be took off the force and jailed but if i was standing by watching this i couldn’t help my self to help the damn guy which puts me in a position like him but my god there were 5-6 people there all im saying is something could have been done to help But non the less ridiculous by the police….
Jaywalking is a crime, and criminals must be punished…
your a dick
they’ll show us this but not Osama? (it was a terrible thinf for the police to do)
What is additionally heartbreaking, is the number of people in the video calmly sitting there watching it happen as if it were a reality show on TV. No one tried to stop it, and it was a fairly large crowd. No one spoke up and told them they were going too far. It’s almost like they were watching it from a distance on Youtube, or Google, and getting their their thrill. This is not a city that I will want visit. Residents of the city should stage peaceful protests where it happened until outside investigators come in. And those who sat by and said/did nothing… should beg for forgiveness from his family.
“What is additionally heartbreaking, is the number of people in the video calmly sitting there watching it happen as if it were a reality show on TV. No one tried to stop it ..”
Are you kidding me ??
And subject yourself to the same brutality ??
For all those who bash people for just standing around, you are wrong. They are yelling for at the police to stop and they are video taping it so that it is documented. Kudos to them.
You can not bring a phone to a gun fight and win. Any person who went over there to try and get them to stop would have found themselves a victim of the same psycho testosterone gang, and then charged with obstructing and resisting.
It sickens me to see that police do this to a man that has a mental illness. What in the hell is this work coming to?! I thank God that I live where cops don’t abuse their power like this! Kelly did NOTHING to deserve his life to be ended so soon and so brutally. They very well could have taken him into custodity without putting him into a hospital bed on his death bed. 6 ARMED police officers and one UNARMED man who needs HELP, LOVE, CARE, and maybe even a FRIEND, and they didn’t “purposely” kill him? Give me a break! They didn’t use a gun to kill him because they are sick and twisted individuals. These so called “COPS” make them all look bad. I HOPE and PRAY that justice is served for this poor family. I can tell you what though, even if they don’t get punished for what they did, they WILL one day have to answer to a MAN of much HIGHER POWER and explain why they brutally beat this man to death. I would hate to be in their shoes.
And to the Thomas family, you are in so many peoples thoughts and prayers. God Bless You.
First off all you people say ooo how sad and the police are wrong… Stop Please Stop… If this guy was nutz and was breaking into your home with your child there to have his way with your child I know there would still be someone on here saying OOooo Poor old man… If you act a Fool in public… you get what is comming to you… I handle Inmates also they are all trying to kill me to escape and then kill you and your family so please Think about this… the people of law do the hard things you guys can’t or won’t do to make your life keep going… Sometimes you see it most of the time you don’t. tell you what, Go down to your local Prison CM1 pod watch these wackos then tell me how you feel…
I am sorry Rudy I don’t follow your logic of rationalization . When did it become ok for cops to kill someone. Doesn’t matter what the crime. Its the judicial system that decides the punishment.
If you or the cops get stressed by your job, take a vacation. Or quit your job.
But since that’s not anything like what happened your hypothetical is bullshit, and hence, also your conclusions.
A 6 on one beatdown? The odds of a coward.
your job is to hold the people we as,society, placed behind bars. the police are there to subdue criminals and with enough manpower that is possible. when a person is unarmed, the officers are trained to stop people in numbers without killing them. this is MURDER
lets all take to the streets of fullerton and beat 6 cops to death with there own batons!!!!!!
@Anonymous, that’s the type of mentality that gets you killed
Anonymous, that’s the type of mentality that gets you killed
Sam, who are you gonna call when you’re in trouble? The police. If you don’t like it, move to Mexico, why don’t you read some of the police stories from THERE? Now that is a messed up system
@ FastAssTicFour
People should be careful generalizing. All cops are not bad. Its also a reality that there job is also very stressful. We are supposed to evolve and learn every day.
If a cop has a mental breakdown, they should get the help. If a cop breaks the law, they shouldn’t be able to hide behind the shield. No one is above the law. Cops should be held at a higher standard and scrutiny because they have lots of power.
An unarmed man being tasered and beaten to pulp by a gang of cops. Being put into a coma and suffer for 7 days. If this doesn’t sound wrong to you, something is wrong with you. The police should be held accountable for their actions.
they kill you even more in Mexico
FantAssTicFour (#245) At least in mexico the cops run the risk of being beheaded or worse, their entire families are killed. NO THREATS, just keeping it real.
I dno about America, but being English I know that if police did that over here, the citizens can rise up and arrest the police. We give them the power, we can take it away.
I’ve seen innocent people get arrested and have been given jail time, so Rudy, yes, they are clearly all wackos that deserve to be locked up. And getting wrongfully locked up when you didn’t do anything wrong, yea, that can change how people think.
There was a report that a man was breaking into houses, and they find the first guy they see and beat the hell out of him? Those poilce MURDERED that man, what the people should be doing is getting this story out there, and demanding the police involved to have at the very least, a year in jail.
If you make an oath to protect and serve, you keep that oath, no matter what. One of my vows to my wife was to protect her from all evils that I can and I will do just that. A promise is not words, a promise is an oath.
There are good people in this world, yet THAT is what is happening to them because people are affraid of having that happen to them.
Just remember, they can’t arrest everyone. And before some people say ‘it’s easy to be brave behind a monitor’ I have been stabbed, shot at, beat up. I know what it’s like to have all hell apon you. And I was lucky that I had friends around me to help me, thats what people should be doing in this world and it’s disgusting to think that all people care about these days is money, sex, drugs and war.
What the hell happened to the times where a good man was something of myth?
Rudy I strongly disagree, I have many friends and family in the police force that work on the streets, in county jails and in prisons and they would NEVER go to that extreme, especially if the poor man did deserve it. Yes they do deal with wild ones and they too get their lives threatened but for God’s Sake that man deserved the right to a fair trial!
Didn’t deserve it *
You know what, Rudy ? Go fuck yourself you psycho piece of shit. I hope some developmentally challenged individual who has been wrongly imprisoned and beaten by you single-celled organisms *does* kill you on his way out.
if you are able to break a cop’s rib and another one’s arm, you’re probably resisting arrest and given the fact that the bum caused fairly significant injury to the cops, it’s no wonder they used more extreme force. The cops should be concerned for their own well being in addition to that of the bum’s. Point is, that if you’re a suspected thief, resisting arrest, you should expect the authorities to consider any aggressive behavior as a direct threat.
You can play the what-if game all day, but what-if this guy fatally wounded an officer? What would be your response then? The cops exist to keep law abiding citizens safe. I think it sucks that the bum had to die, but I also think it sucks that cops have to walk a tight rope when it comes to apprehending violent suspects.
The cops did not have any broken bones, that was a propaganda lie.
They had bruises, who knows if they even got it from the altercation. It could have been caused by one of their own trying to get his turn to beat Kelly.
Idiot. What would you do if you had 6 cops beating the shit out of you ? Would *your* survival instinct not kick in and take over ? Or would you just lay there and let them beat you to death like a nice little lamb ?
And also, you are saying that because the guy was a “bum” that such makes him a criminal ( not a “law abiding citizen” ? )
I feel really bad that kelly has passed but i had encountered him numerous times behind my work at night and during the day and it was very scary because of his mental illness we never knew what he was going to do he was arressted several times and released soon after his family should have put him in a mental institution he needed help!!!!!!!
So, ummm, let’s see here Anonymous….
Because you are just automatically “scared” that makes his death at the hands of a bunch of psycho cops more acceptable ?
Well at least now you won’t have to be frightened of the poor homeless guy anymore.
You should go thank those 6 cops with blowjobs for life.
what the fuck is wrong with you? none of the police officers were even bruised after the bum “attacked” them. They received soft tissue damage… and you have to be a fucking cold hearted fuckwit to beat a homeless man who had been tased 5 FUCKING TIMES IN A ROW, to death. Motherfuckers like that deserve PRISON FOR FUCKING LIFE!
What these cops did was wrong in every fricken way! If what the did was an “accident” as some may say, then why in the hell are they doing everything in their power to make sure this incident isn’t all over the news?
And to Justin, he’s not just a “bum” as you called him, he is a HUMAN BEING just like YOU, He has a name, and it is KELLY.
Anonymous, we all know that he was a sick man and needed help, but that still doesn’t give these sick and twisted cops a right to beat the man to his DEATH BED. He was SUSPECTED of stealing, they didn’t even KNOW for sure if it was him or not!
THIS IS BEYOND DISTURBING!!! While I understand the job of a police officer is not easy, this man was on the ground. Why beat the hell out of him and tase him five times? Beyond excessive! Just because he is homeless and mentally ill his life means nothing? He still is a human being! I am sickened and hope there are repurcussions. Nobody deserves to dies this way, especially at the hands of those who are meant to serve and protect.
Criminals..fire the whole dept and get humans, i was a cop we never get to that level …punishment for those criminal
It’s as if the police department has a green light to do what ever they please. Why not they have the bage. Even when u try to defend ur self as questioning . and ask why ! They doing what there doing . Cops seem to get angry like nomatter what we are to comply because they have the bage. And threaten u with jail every time . You ask them why! Are u doing this they cop an adetude and tell you to shut up or your going to jail. It’s because they are the police?
Anonymous, you are quite the asshole. If you were a cop than you should know that Kelly can’t be imprisoned (sent to a hospital) against his will. I Thought that you knew all this shit! Boy I’m glad your off the streets!
@ #17 Salty Dog:
You are a douchebag!!!
This website and others like it that identify the utter hypocrisy that is local, state and national government these days are Godsends.
You seem to have a personal bug up your ass “SaltyDog” about Tony and that is your God given right. But this story had to be told. This is a horrible crime that was committed against a mentally defenseless man.
And instead of immediately investigating the crime and appropriately punishing those responsible, the department and City officials are closing ranks, circling the wagons, and doing what all government officials/workers seems so well versed at these days: bullshiting the public.
At least Tony is not a sheep that follows the piper and instead speaks his mind, questions the man and in doing so informs a few of us here and there.
Thanks Tony.
B FAMILY
I’m a criminal defense attorney in LA and OC. I’ve heard many of my clients tell me that police regularly beat them like this during arrests. These cases are becoming more and more frequent and it’s unfortunate the public, the government, and internal affairs all continue to turn a blind eye to this type of police brutality. When will it end?
these cops should go fuck themselves. i hope they go to prison.
Well, in all fairness, Paul, I highly doubt this : “I’ve heard many of my clients tell me that police regularly beat them like this during arrests”
The beating resulted in Kelly’s death.
Or, being an attorney, did you miss that part ?
“When will it end?”
When folks such as yourself, for example, start actively demanding action against such practices.
You are, after all, an attorney. There must be *some* point of reference for you in regard to where to start that the average citizen is unaware of.
Let’s not pretend this is just a problem with the FPD. This is a problem with our system of policing in general. There is no way whatsoever that you can give a bunch of random assholes as much power as the police wield, give them almost no checks in power, and then expect them to just all of a sudden become perfect little rule followers simply because they can now do essentially whatever they want with normal ppl just as long as they can come up with some BS story as to why what they did was justified.
On top of it now police groups have successfully lobbied for the passing of legislation in 3 states making it illegal to videotape police officers…and if you believe I’m making that up, please, google it or something. I thought there had to be more to the story at first, but no, that’s it. You can face years in prison for taping police officers “without their consent”. They aren’t happy to stop at trying to make the only definitive way to catch them illegal, they also want to punish ppl so they’re scared to ever challenge the almighty police’s authority.
Plus the supreme court that’s supposed to be immune from corruption and prejudices seems to just be helping it all along regardless of constitutional rights. It’s twisted.
This needs to stop now before it gets out of hand, cause it doesn’t matter to some ppl now because they think “this only happens to criminals!”, but if history is any indication it won’t be long before “criminals” are anyone who says or does anything the wrong person doesn’t like. Then it doesn’t matter who you are, you’ll never know when the police will come breaking down your door and leave you like the above guy, except nobody will be willing to speak out for you cause they’ll all be too scared to end up exactly the same way.
The idea that it should be illegal to videotape a police officer is ridiculous. It is the sort of law you would find in Syria, not the USA. But every reader should know why the police are able to advocate and pass these laws – it is because of the power of their unions. Government workers enjoy civil service protection; they don’t need to be unionized. And placing the power of union organizing in the hands of people who are also entrusted with the power to carry guns and shoot them at people is a very dangerous thing indeed, as we have seen here. To be fair, there are many police who understand the corrupting danger of unions, but these unions are set up in a manner to block democratic reforms by the members. A good project for FF would be to get ahold of the bylaws of the police officer’s union. You will probably find that the path of advancement for any steward who values reform is blocked by the rules themselves. What I’m saying is even if the majority of the police officers wanted to reform their union, they would not be able to do it. The system is rotten to the core. Police unions should be illegal.
I read that story to Zuke. My jaw is still on the floor. They took away the citizens only defense in those three states. Incredible!
Here is the link
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/are-cameras-the-new-guns/
you fucking american police make me fucking sick you should all be put on death row for what u did to that poor kid !! i wanna come down there and do it myself you fucking pigs i dont know how u live with yourselfs !!!
The Police is no more than licence protected group of THUGS. It is a broken system. There are no serve and protect, but greet that have griped this government body. They got their quota to meet. They are looking to ticket any hard and honest working citizens just to feed the system. They would swarm on a jay-walker. You would see 16 cop cars just to do one simple arrest. Obviously there are too many happy finger trigger cop out there. Only a psychopath would become a cop.
Rudy Message #187
I was looking back over this whole conversation when I noticed the message where you had your latest oral bowel movement was on the penal code number for murder which is what needs to happen to you for that message. The world will be much safer
Yes, police work is tough, If you can’t do it without killing people I’m sure you can find a carrier at McDonalds.
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
I really don’t like America as a country, what is wrong with these people? The land of opportunity? I’ can quite honestly say I’m grateful I’m not from there. Such bad heartless people.
Don’t cry on my shoulder about how tough it is!
You chose that carrier domdshit!
Sickening, in so many ways. How have these policemen made it this far without being arrested/ taken into custody? They committed a murder, with witnesses and video evidence. Even with a Union protecting their asses, everything is stacked against them?
If something isn’t done in the end, what fucked up protection AND justice system’s they are.
Condolences to this man and his family. And to anyone else who’s suffered to hands such as these.
There is going to be more and more of these HOMELESS in the streets , If your on your stomach and not complying with direct orders its on you!!!!!!!!! You fricken libs need to understand its not okay to pop off and slam a cop until your wife or kids get raped then you’re the first to whine and bitch about why arent the cops doing aything. F@#K the political correctness in this country , it is what it is. If this guy had phsyc. issues then you should be bitching at your (Not mine) but your President for cutting medical for housing these types of people. Officers don’t have a clue what type of cat people like ths are except for the complaint that goes to 911, they react and you people complain. Can’t wait to watch all of you when the lights go out down there, feeding on one another 🙂 Eat your neighbor.
Coastal Guy – I too am tempted at times to write totally ridiculous inflammatory drivel, but I try to resist, and usually succeed. It’s fine to defend the police, and respect the police. I certainly do. But it is not ok to have an entirely uncritical perspective on their behavior, which apparently is how you see things. This guy weighed 135 pounds and was unarmed. He had no drugs in his system. Did you watch the video? Why did they keep beating him when he was on the ground? Why were they beating him so brutally when he obviously no longer posed a threat? If you truly think this sort of behavior can be justified at any level whatsoever, you need to think about the consequences. Sure, homeless people can be dangerous at times, and sure, there are more of them these days then we’ve seen in a long time. But if we’re going to start beating them to death, where does it end? Are you a Nazi, Coastal Guy? Because that’s how you’re coming across. And believe me, I am no liberal, and I have nothing but respect for police officers who do their job and help keep my family safe.
You’re a tool. It’s perfectly ok to slam a cop for this kind of brutality. Most cops do nothing but write arbitrary traffic tickets to generate revenue to compensate for the economic failure’s of the politicians. And then there is a minority like these guys (and the entire HBPD) who all seem to have tiny dicks and are bent on proving how tough they aren’t. But according to your twisted logic, each good deed by a cop is perfect justification for the occasional unjustified murder? Go sell that shit somewhere else to someone else, moron.
As a resident of Fullerton, I am saddened and shocked by the death of Kelly Thomas as a result of the unnecessary force used by Fullerton Police Department to restrain Mr. Thomas.
Interestingly, 2 of the 5 Fullerton’s city council members are ex-Fullerton police administrators. Don Bankhead served the Fullerton police department for 31 years before becoming a member of the Fullerton City Council. Pat McKinley was Fullerton’s Police Chief from 2000 through 2009 and was elected to the Fullerton City Council in 2010.
Despite the strong relationship the Fullerton City Council has with the Fullerton Police Department, the median property crime rate in Fullerton exceeds both the state and national rates. Eighty one percent of cities in the US are considered safer than Fullerton.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/fullerton/crime/
Clearly, the Fullerton Police Department is not doing enough and this arrest demonstrates that the officers of the Fullerton Police Department are not adequately trained in proper restraining techniques.
My heartfelt condolences go out to the family of Kelly Thomas. May you find comfort in the living memories of Kelly.
All the officers involved in the beating of this man deserve a death sentence…
I respect FPD, BUT i’M STILL SAYING THAT if you think that I am just gonna sit around and let you kill us because the job of policeman is to tough you got another thing comming! FPD is under the same laws as us all! To have a man die at the hands of FPD for no good reason is murder!!!
If you don’t like it, or the job of policeman is to tough, then quit before you kill somebody!
This is horrible! I get that they are cops and all, but why would people just stand around and let this happen! The people that did this should be fired! This is considered murder!
Police beat and murder people like that because they can get away with it, and claim self defense afterwards. It’s been that way for a long time, and it’s only with the advent of the digital age that some of their aberrant behavior is being brought to light and stopped.
I am just curious:: everyone who believes what happened to Kelly Thomas was wrong, have you sent off an email to the city council yet? If we want justice for the family and punishment for the unjust police department, we can not sit here and fued on the interent. send in your emails, letters, anything to these people to show that the swtory’s out, we know what happened, and we arent going to put up with it.
I am going to meet with a lady from a hospital here in fullerton, and we are going to try to get a hold of Sgt. Goodrich
We are looking for the names of the officers. There is a fee/reward available.
As a resident of Fullerton I am horrified. I have dealings with the police at the station, seen them in restaurants and worked with them through my job and always have been treated with respect. I am having a very hard time absorbing this as I do any time I see what amounts to police brutality in any city. It’s so sad that it’s in my home town. I will be writing city council – no doubt. There just isn’t any excuse for this and I’m just sick to my stomach…
The late Wendy O Willims from the Plasmatics said it best…” A PIG is a PIG. And that’s that.”
These little Piggies MUST be made to pay.
Possibly with their OWN lives. I don’t want or need their peculiar brand of “Protect & Serve”.
Real nice jack
this is why I hate cops
no justice no peace people, if this guy was black, Fullerton would be in flames right now!!!!
This is very sad and tragic I knew Kelly for 5 months as we were on strike at albertsons back in 10/01/2003 to 03/01/2004 we would talk to kelly all the time and he was a very nice guy I never saw him display any violence I know that he would not take his meds and he would talk to his self but if you walked up to him he would hold a conversation with you. Its so unbelieveable that the police did this to him I think there should be some justice for Kelly. I can tell you this he would not hurt anyone!!! and for 5 months he lived at the store or in the river bed and then would show back up to the store and just sit their with his picket sign trying to help us he was a very nice man.
Im crying, how can you possibly justify a beat down like this? how? criminals murdered him-investigate what? everyone deserves jail time not just the dudes who did this, but including that chief of fullerton and the DA- tony recaucus you arent off the hook either-look how they are covering this up-sickening
He may have been homeless and mentally ill but he was a human being. Outcry- Fullerton Police-expect a backlash, this is not going away douchebags
absolutely sickening…the cops that did this need to be sentenced to life in prison for murder. Whta is there to investigate? Look at the video, then look at this gruesome picture. I don’t care what lame administrative term the FPD comes up with, there is no excuse for their officers to administer such a horrific beating on anyone. If these pigs get away with it, it’s only going to get worse. If anything, sounds to me like the FPD needs to fire all their current officers or retrain them if one cop or even two can’t subdue a suspect. They needed 5 cops? and all their tasers to stop Kelly? C’mon..they reacted like sharks in chum…they all took their bite out of the victim. Absolutely sickening!
Citizens who kill cops get the death sentence. Shouldn’t the cops receive the same punishment when they commit cold blooded murder? After all, they should be held to the highest standard since the badge gives them the right to take away the liberty of others.
Its time for justice police are corrupt all over the world. Fuckin cops must suffer
Change the nature of accountability for the police and you will change the police. Don’t ask, just do it.
An eye for an eye.
Makes me sick. The good police need to denounce the bad cops or they all get stained. The police are over-militarized. Their SWAT teams need to be pulled into a State Police force and they need to be held accountable. Release the city video, fire all 6 involved and the Sergeant that watched the feed live. Prosecute those that murdered him and the rest as accessories.
shame on the p.d.
I live in the neighboring city of Placentia, and I surely don’t plan on calling these fucks for anything. I’ll stick to my shotgun, thank you very much. Yes, this man resisted. But at no level can you justify 6 LARGE police officers on top of a 135 pound man tazing him repeatedly while bashing his face into the cement.
for all those who keep making negative remarks against all police…STOP……there are some bad cops who clearly do not deserve to have the job. and all the “bad apples” need to be weeded out and fired. however there are some very good officers, with high morals, standards and integrity…those officers never make their way to the papers or blogs… because they are doing their job and doing it right…. as far as the officers in questions, they need to be dealt with which very well may include some type of punsihment…. there are almost 200 sworn officers at fpd…. right now there are about 10 officers in question for some type of incident/leave ect…… so please show some courtesty to the officers that truely are good officers… good people like u & i , just happen to have some “bad apple” co-workers..
And who will weed them out? They seem to be completely protected no matter what level of savagery they commit. I used to respect cops. Now I just think they are highly paid union good thugs who think they are better than me and know they can do whatever they like and get away with it.
Well said
Well said, b nonymous
b nonymous (303) ill believe the rest of the force are good cops when they break their code of silence and fully cooperate during the investigation. once its shown in documentation that they have done this, ill believe it. should i hold my breath?
and please people…these officers may have done something so horrific that it gets people upset, but to stoop to that level and call names and want to make comments of beating officers and fuck the police, is sucking u down to THEIR level…….
bruce is right that all information needs to be made public!
I’m sorry, but saying “fuck cops” doesn’t put me anywhere near their level… Oh, and fuck cops.
When is the evidence enough for the tax payers to finally show that they have had enough by taking control of the money being ear marked for the extravagant waste that is not even hidden from us. It is time to control of what has become an obvious farce. We are a military industrial complex but we have not sold our product since Clinton left office.
It sunds like we have a vertual “Goon Squad” in Fullerton what with the Police Union protecting the THUGS, sorry, cops, who aledegely beat Kelly to DEATH. Also, I heard on John & Ken’s Show on KFI-640 that the is a former Fullerton Police Captian & Police Chief on the Fullerton City Council. I think ALL 6 FULLERTON POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR MURDER, if enogh evidence is uncovered & not covered up. Consider what would happen with any other “GANG MEMBERS” found guilty of a Beating Murder. After all, it appears our Police & Sheriffs Depts may have become nothing more than GANGS IN UNIFORMS! Keep in mind the aledeged Police Gang on the 3rd or 6th Floor of the L A County Central Men’s Jail, same Tatoos & more ???
Total disgrace!!
They behaved like they were raised by wolves. If they don’t loose their jobs and do time in jail then we ALL better be afraid!
If the group that was created to protect the people is killing innocent people, who is protecting those who need it? where do they look for help? what was going through their minds? did they think it was right?
Thank you, Fullerton Police Department. Now EVERYONE knows the truth about your department.
My brother Michael was a San Diego Police Officer. Even HE would never do a thing like this.
It’s time to “CLEAN HOUSE.” That means, every Police Officer, Every Police official, the Mayor and ALL City Council members have to go, NOW.
Fullerton, is this what you want to be known for? Murder? Is this what you really are? Is this how you treat your citizens, even those who have problems? IS IT?
Why haven’t the City Council members said anything? Why have the Police officials decided to “forget” about this?
Why? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WACKED OUT AND TOTALLY NUTS.
The FPD Policy: Kick ass, kill them, for they deserve it.
Remind me not to ever visit Fullerton. God help me if I’m ever stopped by a cop in Fullerton. They’ll kill you just for crossing the street.
Chris Gulyas, San Diego
Oh before I forget, any of you cops and officials in Fullerton want to discuss it with me, come on down and we’ll have a nice discussion.
Webster’s definition of MURDER:
Fullerton Police Officers “doing their job.”
Fullerton Poice Officers “on the loose.”
Fullerton Police Offices “getting away with it.”
Fullerton Police Officials “covering it up.”
I have crossed paths with Kelly on many occasions. He was always polite and never asked for a thing – until he was being beat by the Fullerton police department and cried for his Dad.
i am really sickened by this.
Actually, home gun ownership here is rather high, so yeah, there’s pretty mush a rifle, shotgun, or pistol in every home in my area. Surprise surprise, there’s only been one or two murders in the past ten years, one of them by an out of town Canadian, and the other by a mentally deranged man that didn’t even use a weapon. Other than that, all is well and the police have a HEALTHY respect for the community, and in return, we treat them the same.
Rest assured though, the police don’t DARE do this shit in my area, not even close.
Any other asinine comments you wish to get out of the way?
I hope those police men go to jail and are literally raped to death!!!!
I cried when I watched the video Kelly didn’t deserve this…
I cried when I watched the video Kelly didn’t deserve this…
As a current graduate student in Forensic Psychology, I am appalled at this video. One of main areas we have covered during my matriculation is Psychology and the Legal System. Today, many policemen received Crisis Intervention Training to avoid these types of scenarios. Unfortunately, it seems as those the Fullerton Police Department missed the memo. This is type of behavior and action by the FPD was unfounded and unwarranted, even if Mr. Thomas suffered from schizophrenia; he STILL HAD RIGHTS!!! More and more people are diagnosed everyday with mental illness; instead of treating them as sub-human, more compassion and advocacy needs to be given to help these individuals who in their own way are locked inside of a “mental prison” with no possiblity of “getting out”. I pray the FPD does more in the future to prevent another tragedy such as this from reoccuring. By all means, PLEASE look into getting Crisis Intervention Training for the force!!
Poor dude, I wonder what this innocent productive member of society did to get Jim in this predicament. Was he fighting the police?
Poor dude, I wonder what this innocent productive member of society did to get him in this predicament. Was he fighting the police? Wass he on some type of drug? Did his family have any type of relationship w him prior to the inc? Were any officers hurt? I wonder what I would have done if a strnge man would be attacking or fighting my friend,neighbor or innocent bystander?
YOU must be fool !!!
Can you prove any of any that?
Did you see the picture of kelly in his death bed?
YOUR PR TECHNIQUES ARE IMPLORABLE!!!
We just went thru the brutal beating at Dodgers Stadium by ..2 thugs … in the Brian Stowe case… I do believe, that these Fullerton Police officers committed .. a MORE horrific beating … while doing their job to protect and serve the citizens of Fullerton. …. than those thugs who beat Brian Stowe. They finished that horrific beating by murdering Kelly Thomas !! The onlookers… what could they do….? They couldnt defend this brutal beating and murder…. of Kelly Thomas… they couldnt even use their cell phones to call the POLICE ! I believe any decent citizen … who knows of this case…. and does not speak up against this kind of over-use of the badge … they should ask themselves….. WHAT IF THIS WAS MY FAMILY MEMBER!! Police officers are trained in how to handle the mentally ill … how to use restraint tactics …. these power hungry … lack of caring , compassionate peace officers…. should be held accountable …. removed from the department and made to stand trial for the murder of this homeless man! Why didnt they know of this homeless man … and had befriended him … in their community ? A lot of citizens knew of this young man … he came and went in their community. I will be watching this unfold…. and will be involved from my community … ( La Crescenta ) to be sure justice is served … in Fullerton … and for the family of Kelly Thomas.
seriously i know that police are trying to crack down by giving more and more tickets but this is ridiculous. what was the homeless man even being accused of? i’m not sure if the police understood that the son’s screaming “dad! dad!” meant that they were doing some pretty serious damage. and they said that they went so far because the man was fighting back and that he gave the officers flesh wounds. please they got slapped on the arm once and then tackled the poor man. oh, and not just one officer attacking one man, more like a five on one. FIVE trained and muscular officers (armed with weapons) on one decrepit old guy. fair right? i hope those “officers” and “protectors of the law” are feeling pretty bad right now because i wouldn’t be able to live with myself if i even knew them. FPD needs to clean house because clearly they have some trash conducting their duties. this is disgusting.
By the look of this and how they treated the poor man I dont think I will ever want to visit this city, at all
There are two kind of policeman in the world: the cowards that run away from protecting people and the cowards who beat them when they realize there is no danger.
I have respect for so many police officers who put their life on the line every day to protect and serve in my community. I have always felt respect and gratitude towards law enforcement. I have over the years heard so many males speak of police officers who hassle and intimidate them… in a traffic stop … or just because …. they are law enforcement. I would reply.. I am sorry to hear that… I have had nothing but good communication and respect coming my way , from law enforcement. These males reply, “its because you are female “…. cops are power hungry / pr*cks ” I have always tried to encourage others to show respect and kindness to law enforcement… but I would continue year after year to hear males complain … about law enforcement having bad attitude towards them. I am saddened to see the video .. to hear the video of the beating and murder of Kelly Thomas. I am angry! Why was it not addresses by the officials / Chief of Police in Fullerton? It is the behavior that happened in the City of Fullerton … that sets up real trust issues …. and communication problems … for decent law enforcement officers! This should be handled correctly and swiftly by the FBI …. which maybe can restore faith and trust again….. in the community. I am so sad for the family of Kelly Thomas….. for nothing can be done … to bring him back again. I read so many comments by those judging the fact that his family … DID NOTHING… to get their son help. The laws are set up to protect adults …. who refuse medical treatment. I do believe the family of Kelly Thomas tried to help him.. he refused the help… went off the medication that Dr’s gave to treat his mental illness. Mental illness is rampant in our towns and cities… it is a disease … and we allow these people to wander around … really not able to think that sanely for themselves … and tie the hands of their family members… who would really like to see them … get help .
Society needs to take a look at the plight of the homeless … on our streets. It is a problem that is increasing ..not going away. We need to do more… as a society. ‘ go out on the streets …. and find someone who has lost all hope … tell them how much God loves them” – Mother Teresa –
I am horrified and amazed at what I am seeing and reading. We moved from Fullerton four years ago after having lived there for about 37 years. We missed Fullerton very much. But today we were there for a visit and, having read about this absolute horror, I viewed the city differently as we drove through beloved neighborhoods and by the police department which for many years I saw as a place of safety and sanity. No longer!! Now I fear for the future of this city which we called home for so long.
This is an outrage and a horrific display of police incompetance! I myself having a mentally challenged member in my family, worries me for his safety. A kind police officer in our area once said “being mentally ill is not a crime”. I will never forget his words and advice that evening…when my family needed help and support. It’s hard to have “adult” family members with a mental incapacity. Our state needs to improve our medical assistance and programs…instead of cutting back. This would have not happened, but the very people we count
What they did to him is absolutely sickening. He did no wrong, did he not? As far as I’m concerned he was mentally ill. And if that’s the case, they should have HELPED him like the “Peace Officers” they claim to be. That’s what people call safety nowadays? That’s the people that are supposed to be protecting the citizens? This is absolutely disgusting! Shooting him would’ve been more humane. At least then, he wouldn’t have gone through all the pain and someone would’ve been able to see his face properly! I will never, under any circumstance, go there. This is all coming from a 15 YEAR OLD. Good God, this world is going places. And it’s frightening.
This would not have happened; but the very people we count on to “have it together” should of been in complete control of the situation. But instead displayed the worst violent act on a human being. We cannot call that “upholding the law” in any court. I don’t care who knows who or how many officers were involved. This man was not armed and was not a threat to any of them, he’s repeated cries for his father should of given them the confirmation that this MAN was mentally challenged. I am not a psychiatrist and that’s what I think when a grown man is shouting for his dad. These officers have sufficient resources to counselors, sick days and vacation time to use if they are “stressed or have anger management problems”. They are still on the street…hello what is wrong with this picture. The investigation is just getting started and there is footage not to mention witnesses…but they are out and about like they did nothing wrong. Rodney King comes to mind…what happened to those officers? Politicians in general need to get their head out of their asses!
This is the most sickening thing I have heard of in years. The one guy is right though the police (any department) are a GANG of THUGS out to protect the SHOT CALLERS sitting on the City Council. Time to turn the bastards out into the streets, stripped of their weapons, and beaten to a pulp themselves!
It’s sad that these 6 cops have given the city a bad name. As someone who has lived in this city since 1990 (save 9 horrible months in Corona), I think it’s a great place to live.
The silver lining of this situation is that maybe our police department will get cleaned up now and this situation will make the city better. It’s sad that it takes something like this to fix the problems.
@chris gulyas, not all fpd are corrupt. the department has approx. 180 sworn. yes we have some “bad apples” as does every place of employment. but do keep in mind that not all the departments officers were there. and there are some good people, with high morals and integrity that would have never done this. the good officers you never hear about, they do their job and treat people fair and do not get mixed up in bad stuff. and i know this because I AM ONE OF THEM. take a look at all police departments and i am sure you can find a few corrupt officers in the mix…in a perfect world everyone should be honest, fair, caring,honorable ect…. but that will never happen…
If what you say is true and these bad apples are the minority, than I am truly curious why they seem to be protected by the entire department when something like this happens. Should not the moral majority of thier peers serve these guys up immediatly to accept thier due consequences?
And risk giving up their ability to retire at 50, their giant spiked pensions, and bloated paychecks? I wouldn’t hold your breath. Being a cop lost its shiny public service luster about the same time major league sports stars started acting like a-holes.
IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A TEAM. AND YOUR FELLOW TEAM MEMBERS ARE CHEATING, AND YOU KEEP QUIET.
YOUR JUST AS CORRUPT AS THE REST!!!!
Look at the pictures of Kelly Thomas. Look at them long and hard. Imagine that’s one of your family members. Then think about the DA blowing this off for WEEKS. Think about everyone sweeping this under the rug. Think about the PREDATORY ANIMALS that did this STILL working their beats collecting your tax dollars and being completely protected. Now tell me why we should give a crap about anything you have to say sir when you can apparently only offer some lame platitudes. EITHER OUT THESE MONSTERS OR STFU.
Amen Pete. Looking at it that way changes things exponentially. To think of a loved one in that condition and have all those assholes circling the wagons and drag their feet is just sickening.
This shit has been going on for since we paid “protection money” to the King or chief or whatever. My Father’s uncle used to brag about “taking the N!ggers to the lumber yard and have them resist arrest” when he was a cop in San Diego in the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.
@ thomas smith, more violence is not the answer…. @ outraged , ur right hopefully we can now “weed out” the bad and clean up this city…
@an officer- have your urged your chief to release the tape of the beating? If not, sorry…your just like the rest. Justice demands answers and all we know now is that there is a BADGE of protection around the cops. Meanwhile, the taxpayers and scared citizens of Fullerton remain vulnerable.
Its too bad most police officers have low intelligence and are power hungry. Hmmm just like criminals!! I hope all you involved officers FRY!! This has been going on forever. Hope you don’t get acquitted cause it may go down like the 1992 riots!!!
This case is not getting enough media coverage because not enough people are insisting on it. Doing the right thing is never easy, but it’s our RESPONSIBILITY as citizens to make a stand when something is wrong! E-mail your local news stations this story, send it to CNN and every other place you can think of. Share the article/video link on your Facebook page and get your friends to do the same. E-mail the city council and demand justice! As long as people sit back and are afraid to speak up then the police will continue to avoid it until it goes away. It’s awesome to see so many people care about this man, but DON’T STOP THERE! Do the right thing and make your voice heard. That’s our right–exercise it!
you people of Fullerton are getting exactly what you deserve. how many of you have reported this crime to the police department? how many of you have written a strongly worded letter to you city councilmen? how many of you have reported this to the state police. they are the ones that have jurisdiction in these matters? how many have reported this to the FBI. they are responsible for organized crimes? I bet zero and thats why you get what you deserve.
Paperburn…
Couldn’t you at least change a few words? Copy and paste is so lazy.
Do you think it does a lot of good to call the cops when the cops are the problem citizens want to complain about? People have filed complaints with the Fed, and the FBI is going to investigate.
Fullerton deserves what they get because they are too lazy to do anything about the problem? This from the guy copying and pasting his comments? You are truly pathetic.
Can we not find out the names of these PIGS and all start focusing cancer upon their bodies, say, their prostates in particular? I think if we all just focus with positive intent that death take over these PIGS, and speak it out as well as believe death for them in our hearts, why, then, they will die very fast.
let’s all try focusing death on each one of them at 3 in the afternoon on Friday. Let’s use our minds and our hearts and our spoken words to condemn them to cancer. Please?
Mike99 – when you blast cops like officer that are trying to take steps to help the situation, you chase them back underground. There are many officers like him – but to suggest if he doesn’t march into the Chief’s office demanding the release of the tape is not realistic. If he does that he will find himself ostracized from everyone and lacking back up when he needs it.
When the FBI starts doing interviews cops like him will be able to safely say what’s going on and help cleanup the police department. But if he finds himself being told he’s the problem, and getting lumped in with the “bad cops”, he might just say screw it – and decide to keep his mouth shut.
If you just hate all cops then I understand your statement – but if you really want to see the situation get fixed, you should hold off on tearing into cops that write things like they want to “weed out” the bad ones. That’s a good thing, and hopefully he will tell all he knows when the FBI starts interviewing him.
what the fuck is wrong with those police officers, this is a disgusting abuse of power, this HOMELESS man was off his medication and could not understand the officers as his father said. these “police officers” should be stripped of there title and face the consequences of there action.HIS OWN FATHER COULD NOT RECOGNIZE HIM, a shameful attack on an innocent man,
This is tantamount to murder… Manslaughter at least.
They should be jailed. Promptly.
Well, to hell with it then… if cameras are going to be made illegal so that it isn’t possible for the public to defend themselves against these type of wacko cops via the proper channels – then what’s left except just to open fire on the motherfuckers when they’re caught doing this kind of shit ?
Seriously – seems like that’s the only option left.
No one is supposed to be afforded this kind of power over the public.
And it dawns on me now that what *may* be an even more fucked-up underlying element is the possibility that when he was screaming “Dad” he may damn well have thought he was pleading to his dad to stop beating him…..
This whole fucking thing is just so sad.
Those 6 officers need to be beaten horrendously, in a public place.
Witnesses scared to get involved; Media (mainstream) doesn’t cover the beating; D.A. won’t file attempted murder charges; Criminal cops roaming the streets. Welcome to the third world Fullerton, USA
These police officers should be executed, but whats more disturbing is the attitude of the residents of Fullerton at not acting like human beings at stoping a murder in progress by these pigs, I only hope that justice be served, or else, lets repeat the Rodney King strategy.
reply to #313 :
Re : “Welcome to the third world Fullerton, USA”
Hardly. I actually live in a 3rd world country ( Haiti ) and you just never see this kind of shit. Sure, there are a lot of corrupt cops ( no question about it ) and most of the time when there’s a kidnapping it’s corrupt cops involved. But you just NEVER see the cops pulling this kind of shit.
Not with homeless people, and especially not with mentally ill homeless people.
The cops here are after money, sure, but they’re not fucking psycho like cops in America.
Fullerton is OFF LIMITS for me and my family. America needs to wake the F up and realize these “officers” are not far removed from murderers, and in some cases, flat out are. Yes, I’m waiting for all the “heroes” to attack me now. I appreciate all the officers laying their lives down, but c’mon guys, this police state is out of control and you know it. How long until the “dirtbags” meaning us public, are simple to just gun down on orders?
It will test MY humanity when or if a officer really needs my help…because I;m not too certain I’ll render aid, because most of you are heartless bastards.
I was an avid supporter of a few small business in Fullerton.
I will not visit again. This inhuman behavior is inexcusable.
I will miss you Bootleggers! It’s not the product it’s the brutality your sales tax supports!
This is the danger of having a Police Dept. instead of an elected Sheriff! So you get a crooked masonic Mayer who hires a crooked buddy to be police chief, and citizens have no control or say in the department. At least a sheriff has to worry about his election. How many cities with private police forces(Bell) need to get caught subverting law before you learn the game. It’s the masonic lodges and brotherhood. The lodge is being used by criminals to conceal their activities and subvert law.
Secret societies…nothing good is done in secret!!
If these cops are not punished by the law they will be by the people!!!
Get rid of the chief and the officers involved!
Uninformed people who promote hatred tend to cause “Rodney King” style violence in presumed retribution. Have Faith in YOUR justice system instead of promoting ignorant hatred and posssible additional violence!
Baaaa, baaaaa, Jim………..
Hatemongers appear in abundance. KFI’s “John and Ken’ show is a perfect example;so-called ‘anonymous friend of fullerton offers hearsay without proof. hateful comments promote violence, NOT justice! Isn’t it illegal to incite riots? Keep fanning the flames, all you ignorant, “concerned citizens” and ask yourself, “are you really afraid for your life?, are any of you even credible informants, or just warmongers with a grudge to bear against society’s only method of maintaining civility? If one bad apple represents all law enforcement, then one bad “homeless” represents all being bad. Is this true, or only mindless “stereotyping?”
Oh you’re a regular fucking riot, all by your little self, it seems…
“society’s only method of maintaining civility”
That bullshit is what you call maintaining civility ?
Killing homeless people is “maintaining civility”
You’re just a deranged little e-tard. Go suck a Cop’s dick and stay out of conversations.
Hey copknocker,your I.Q. just landed on the floor! Maybe you just despise the entire American form of life! Citizens create laws, laws regulate hostility, and brainless morons who defy law enforcement hide anonymously behind words of hate while creating environments of hostility by their blatant violations of civilized law!
Really ? *MY* I.Q. ?
Let’s review, shall we ?
6 cops kill a mentally ill homeless man.
I’m thinking that’s been what has created this environment of hostility towards them.
Brainless morons.
I’m thinking brainless morons are the class of individual who suggest that we are all to support this kind of slaughter because it is carried out under the color of authority.
That, today, seems to be a designation that you voluntarily apply to yourself with your hopelessly ignorant posts.
I mean, you suggest that anyone who defies law enforcement is a brainless moron.
I think it is brainless morons who are sufficiently brainless and moronic that they make such profoundly stupid remarks.
So if the behavior you are defending here on the part of those psycho-pigs is what people are to consider the “American form of life”, then yeah, I have nothing but hatred and scorn for such a load of shit.
And for you to raise your head up out of that pile of shit long enough to convey your idiotic opinions carries no more weight with me than a cockroach running across the floor.
Any other stupid things you’d like to say ?
Let’s Review, Shall We? You insist on promoting hatred,revenge, blind agreement by all? I suggest; Support Justice, America, Right conquers Wrong! Seek truth and justice prevails,promote violence and justice is destroyed,and so is everything america stands for. You can twist this any way you like, just like you accuse them of; but remember the aftermath of the “Rodney King” riots. Many innocents were harmed, if not severely, maybe only emotionally or financially. Was that Justice? Investigations require time, and objectivity, by unbiased third parties with authority to prosecute without prejudice.justice is the best form of revenge. If you have no faith in our justice system, then change it. otherwise, wait and be patient.
No Jim we are tired of people with badges and guns thinking they are entitled to respect while treating those who pay their salary like we are subserviant. They are supposed to “serve and protect us”, not gang up on a guy who clocks one of them. Not so tough without your gang are you pig? Since when did “Peace Oficers” become domestic terrorists for the state? US patriots are watching and waiting patiently. If police think they will get away with this they better think twice. When our police turn against us, we become the police to protect the innocent from them.
So seek Justice, not revenge!
sorry 6 bad apple cops and a whole council of bad apples that tried to make it go away for 900G.. bet they pooped their panties when he turned it down
Yes Jim – you ignorant slut – I am afraid…very afraid. I have lived in Fullerton all my life. This is serious and I am outraged. If not for FFFF and our concerned citizens with some sense of humanity “fanning the flames”, it would just go away like you want. Not gonna happen dude…sorry! You and all the others who refuse to accept that cops can do evil will be eatin crow soon…thank God.
As a combat veteran, one observation: frightened animals face two options 1. turn and run 2. if you cannot run, fight for your life! If you’re so afraid, why do you remain in harm’s way?
Picking up deserved attention : http://youtu.be/2JmOmkeizII
This entire page establishes proof of why mishaps and outrages occur; Ignorance,hatred defiance; All these things exist! There’s a fine line between good and evil; education, open-mindedness and consideration all lead to better values of life! To solve injustices, you must apply justice. Take note; hatemongers; justice IS NOT vigilantism!
(Not the Jim w/o an F). CopKnocker, everyone on this page wants to see justice done, but if the people wanting justice becomes a hateful mob promoting violence they are doing the exact same thing the cops did when they beat Kelly Thomas. Going after the cops with a mob mentality is not being a concerned citizen with a sense of humanity, it is reacting to the thing you hate about the cops’ actions with the same action.
Denigrating the whole department drives decent cops underground and shutting down potential cop witnesses that want to do the right thing and testify against the bad cops. The people to blast are the leaders – the Chief of Police and the City Council. Take all that anger out on them. By bashing the whole department you open up the opportunity for the police administration to say to the younger cops look at what the public says about you – stay quiet and we’ll protect you from this.
If the cop-haters truly wanted reform they would criticize the leadership of the city and police department and encourage the cops to do the right thing. The people on this page that state they want a better police department are acting like they really want anarchy. The only thing happening with comments like the ones above is cops are thinking if I just stay quiet I won’t have to deal with the mob of people like the ones on this page. Many of you sound every bit as bloodthirsty as the cops when they beat a defenseless man.
Well, Jim-with-an-F, I never really even implied anything about ALL police across the board.
I do think though that if the good cops want to remain being seen as good cops then they should take it upon themselves to police “their own” FIRST, before turning the bad apples amongst their number loose upon the public.
They should do this before the public gets so enraged that they replace video-recording devices with firearms.
After all, no civil society should sanely be expected to sit back and endure this kind of bullshit from ANYONE – certainly not those who are supposed to “Protect and Serve”
“They should do this before the public gets so enraged that they replace video-recording devices with firearms.”
Criminal Procedure Requires control of information by the investigators, threats of violence to force speedy trials (Mistrials) is wrong, as well as unconstitutional! I’m un educated Patriot who bled for this country and what it stands for; You’re the criminal police exist for!
LOL really ? I rather thought that mentally ill homeless people like Terry are the criminal police exist for – or did they just go after him because he wouldn’t shoot them ?
And let’s not go confusing “patriot” for “spineless sheep”, mmmkay ?
To CopKnocker. Once a fool, always a fool. I bet you never put your life on the line in the defense of others.Patriot? Damn Right! Have the scars and medals to prove it! As well as the nightmares! I Happen To Be One Of Those Homeless, Mentally Troubled People; War does that to decent human beings! Until you wear my shoes, shut the hell up, moron!
And, dumbass, what might it be about my post that you further disagree with ?
You don’t think that police should “police their own” internally before bullshit like this takes place out in public ?
That was, after all, the gist of my post which you only quoted the part of that you could comment on out of context.
Well said, brother
CopKnocker: You’re right, I confused you with cop hater.
I agree with your statement about policing their own – and I believe there was a time when that was done more than it is today. But the reality is that can be a tough order. Dealing with what they should have done promotes an interesting exchange of ideas, but becomes tough when dealing with the realities of police forces today. Most cops are not college-educated, and if they get labeled as a troublemaker – or get fired – they will never work as a cop again. Most will only be qualified to work a $12-an-hour guard job. When something like this happens the priority becomes self-preservation.
A whistle-blower will get back slaps and be told “good job” while he’s testifying, but realistically he’s blacklisted when everything quiets down. The well-wishers will move on while the whistle-blower loses a career he loves and can look forward to a life of $12-an-hour rent-a-cop jobs. This can be a brutal reality for a guy that has a house payment and kids to take care of (or more realistically, child support payments and alimony to pay).
One thing I believe everyone will agree on is trouble starts at the top of the chain – a department with the reputation like Fullerton PD has a serious leadership problem. Heat needs to be placed on the Chief and the council members from the community – they are the only ones capable of making the necessary changes (which may include their replacement).
“The well-wishers will move on while the whistle-blower loses a career he loves and can look forward to a life of $12-an-hour rent-a-cop jobs. This can be a brutal reality for a guy that has a house payment and kids to take care of”
So you’re saying witness a crime and keep quiet is the way to go, god I hope these pigs dont have children we do not need their gene in the gene pool. if found guild of a crime they should be placed with the masses in prison and seems like these cops are now on a “PAID” suspension which translates to “VACATION”
Wait – when you say dumbass are you referring to Jim F or the other Jim? I am certainly open to being addressed as dumbass (I’m no genius) but if you could specify Dumbass Jim or Dumbass Jim F that would be helpful.
Nobody I didn’t say I like it… I am trying to deal in reality. A forum can be a good place to vent, but it can also be a good place for an exchange of ideas.
I’m saying the reality is the cops will circle the wagons and be quiet when the mob shows up with their virtual pitchforks and torches. Their union will shut them up and they will have lawyers. Complaining about them does nothing.
Do you want to do something? Go after the Chief of Police… his position is an “at-will” position. He has no union representation and can be fired with a city council vote. Force the council to hire a new Chief that can get the department straightened out.
internal affairs needs to get envolved and put the six fullerton cops in prison for life. those cops need to litterally get but raped to death and beaten just as badly even worse those sick pieces of shit.
No one deserves to be beaten like this. It horrified me. This man needed help not brutality by the police. I don’t know how these men can look themselves in the mirror. I’m sickened. Now he’s in the Lord’s hands…free from these policemen who must have much hate within themselves.
To the Fullerton PD. All cops aren’t bad, but the bad cops make ALL cops look bad. I hope the investigation dosen’t show they followed proceedures. If so, then the people writing the proceedures should be replaced.
This was murder and everyone involved should be prosecuted for murder! What a disgrace!!
Hey dont call the police anymore, when some one is stealing your things or you if your upset about the loud party, go HANDLE it yourself!
Nobody posting here was there during the incident and they have no idea how hard this guy was resisting. No i dont condone reckless violence, but lets not judge until we find out the whole story not just one half. If you want to go after someone lets go after doctors they kill more people each year than any police officer. They just have more money and do it behind closed doors!
This is disgraceful behavior on the part of some of the police. It almost seems as though they take out their hidden anger and hate on innocent people. The poor man is with the Lord and at peace. I certainly will not go to Fullerton nor will any members of my family and we LOVE CALIFORNIA.
Is this what the police dept does for sports
It really saddens me that the officers involved have not been arrested and locked up for being a menace to society themselves and a danger to society
Hey POST NUMBER 356 YOUR A COMPLETE ASS ARE YOU KIDDING ME THEY HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH COPS THERE TO PUT THIS MAN IN CUFFS, I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS HOW MUCH HE WAS RESISTING , THE COPS RUINED LIVES HIS FAMILIES AS WELL AS THER OWN AS WE ALL KNOW THEY WILL SPEND SOMETIME IN JAIL, THE PICTURE SPEAKS VOLUMES 5 COPS ONE HOMELESS MAN THAT SICK AND IF YOU HAD SEEN 5 GUYS ON THE STREET BEATING ONE MAN UP YOU WOULD HAVE SAID THE CRAP AND TRIED TO HELP WELL MAYBE NOT. COPS ARE WAY OUT OF CONTROL NOW DAYS THIS IS NOT GOOD AND NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF ACCUSE YOU TRY TO MAKE ITS WRONG
Kelly was only 135lbs. Either the PD who responded were relying on their batons to keep the 135lb 47yr old transient with known mental issues down on the ground are unfit to do without beating a man into submission…or they just got carried away and did not know how to take care of this issue correctly.
how can this type of activity ever be condoned – to almost murder a potential suspect – time told that they all killed him – not acceptable on any level – if this is allowed and condoned – why not go into the prisons and hospital prisons and kill everyone???? – they are human – this man did not kill a nyone –
a 100 lb woman coutd have subdued him – shame shame shame
It took 6 cops to subdue a 135 pound 35 year old man, Really!, I mean, Really! 6 cops, thats five more then 1, and thats 4 more then 2, i don’t get it, was this guy some secret ninja, hmm, I hope the cops get the hell beaten out of them at heavens door!…..
How sad …..the good guys after realize being a police office is for insecure individules that must prove their manhood …become firefighters !
NIGGER
who are the ugly s.o.b.’s that beat this person to death.
Ijust want to say this you putrid cowards come on out here to my house and just try to do this evil stuff to me. Your names are hidden because you are cowards. nothing more than week cowards. I hope the f b eye gets you into prison then they put you in with some evil people as evil as you are and you get whats coming to you.
There are 3 good reasons why the cops did this. He had stolen items on him and he was seen breaking into cars,he was mentally ill and he was homeless.Nobody will miss him,and most people donr even care about people like him.No loss to society.
Gideon,
Hate is so destructive in oh so many ways….
do you understand you will pay for your hate when you meet your maker?
Your maker is God Almighty not satan.
you will live forever in a place called hell. You will scream louder and bear torment forever. There is no turning around once in hell. End of the line Gideon. May Kelly rest in peace. For you shall have NO peace ever…
This incident is past sad, this is the epitome of hate inspired fate… way past inhumane, this IS occurring at an alarming rate in amongest our country. Hate is the current fashionista…
Would a rich man recieve this treatment? Likely not. Money, power, greed and hate spew forth in this country akin to an oil well disaster spreading disease and malcontent…
WE the people must stem this canker sore before it spread and wipe us out.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
My father is a cop, my stepbrother is a LAPD officer. If I found out either of them did something like this to another human being I would dis-own them and do what ever I could to bring charges against them.
These are not police officers, they are COWARDS, Weak Minded little BOYS with an ego problem. Any time something like this happens, the officers should be put on leave WITHOUT PAY until IA finishes the investigation. Then if found guilty be brought up on charges of MURDER, not man-slaughter. Give them a 1 year sentence in prison, grouped in general population. Once they found out who and what they did, their sentence most likely will be reduced with-in the first 3-4 months. (shank-shank)
No 1 man or Entity is above the LAW! period
R.I.P KELLY
Number 369 comment: Your one word derogatory comment drips of ignorance.
For your information this homeless person pictured is white. You should have written, “CRACKER” instead of… I am no better to stoop to your level, but anyway, the real subject is not about race. This poor man’s demise is about decency and trust of the law-keepers we as a people (no matter the race) expect to receive and reciprocate. I hope this guy’s Dad sues the you-know-what out of the city and state of Fullerton.
The Republicans God is nothing but the Devil. This is his peoples doings. Do you see Gods work in this picture? OR The Devils?
All it takes is one psychotic cop. Can we skelly the whole upper management of the PD and start fresh?
it’s ’cause they’re cop- KILLERS!
I taught my children the police will always be there to help us and keep us safe. Thanks to these “men” I lied to my children.
When something like this happens, it is up to the male family members to correct the situation and the officers involved.
My correction to the offenders would not be nice to see.
The lunatics are running the asylum and the cops are clearly the criminals. If they aren’t all charged with murder, there is no justice.
Well stated
Those officers are purely disgusting and a waste of flesh. May they rot in hell for what they did to that man, an surely others. God bless him and his family. Thank god I do not live in FL and after seeing this, I will not be visiting anytime in the future.
When a situation like this occurs, it is up to the adult males of the family to deal with the offending officers.
My retribution would not be pretty to see.
You guys need to all calm down. First of all, this could and probably IS happening in other cities and in other states. Stop focusing on this, and take a look around your own backyard. I guarantee you will come across the same situations. I have grown up and lived in fullerton, and it is a great place to live. And for you all to be all dramatic and say you are canceling plans to ever visit Fullerton or even California for that matter, is just ridiculous. Grow up and take a look around where you live!
your town murdered this guy. WHY?????
I did not see this on any national news broadcast,why not?They should broadcast this so everybody has the opportunity to see what really goes on with out of control cops!They hide behind their unions because their embarrased to face the public who pays them, to do this? Talk about anger management!!!
Little tiny town of 400 people; and NO, it is not happening here. If it did, we would deal with the police officer. We all own multiple guns.
they should be shot
they need to be hanged by there necks asap
drag them to the nearest tree
Gomez…..I’m thinking Cartel? and yes the “neck” would be the most effective way to hang someone. I can only imagine how long it would take to kill someone if they were hung by lets say…there waist? and why “drag them” they have legs, come on lets work smarter not harder Gomez.
Cop ran over and killed a girl last year in my town while in his squad car, out of his jurisdiction, speeding to a call no one can find reports of, dash board cam went “missing” and his cop buddies didn’t give him a breathalyzer. He didn’t spend one night in jail.
This Police Department needs to be disbanned and the Officers involved charged with manslaughter.
This PD rocks 🙂 I call them for everything, like burglars, rapist, kidnappers, hate crimes, if we disband can I call you instead to handle it? like I thought…your lame…now go die in a fire.
I’m pretty pissed at the bystanders. However I can’t blame them for the fear police use as they can do whatever they want. It’s just a matter of time before they beat up the wrong person (like a mother of someone in the military) and we plunge into chaos and civil war.
You should be a martyr and set the tone.
Any body else thinking Nazi behavior by the P.D.? Organized mob mentality. God bless the victim, sooth his family & try to understand this irrational piece of justice. Please keep the pit bulls off of my police force. Peace.
You sound like Hitker Himself. That is exactly the same method Hitler used to gain power. Overthrow the established government while placing blame somewhere else. Why should anyone listen to you?
Since when did it get to a point that it is ok for COPS to beat the living shit out of a man to the point to where he looks like nothing like he use to. This is completely unbelieveable. These cops should be fired and sent to gail for MURDER.Plan and simple. As soon as he was to the point where he was unable to respond, they should have handcuffed him and that would have been it. I am so sad for this young mans family.
it is sad that the police who are to serve and protect just dont, most of them are on a power trip and always be. i wish i had been there when this happened i would have done something even if i go to jail or te hospital, no matter if he was in the comission of a crime or not he is a human, sad to say no one else was human while he was beatin to death. police have the training to deal with rowdy ppl its a choice to make to do your job and be human at the same time. since the officers where the ones getting their ass,s handed to them most of their lives now they hide behind the uniform.
Sad for the young man’s family….. How bout him. He is so lost and confused from the beating that he is calling out for his dad for help.
Can you imagine his fear and pain during the process of the beating and subsequent death. He probably did not understand why he was being attacked.
We need more police that are my size. I weigh a rock-hard 240 and bench press over 350 lbs. (Ex college heavy-weight wrestler). Unless you are a professional football player, I will not need any help to subdue you. It is a 3 second struggle.
There was no need fr this no matter if they are an Officer of the Law or Citazean like myself they still committed murder and should be punished hope they do and the family sue the asses of these Officers and put them behind bars where they belong .
It’s clear you failed English class. Another example of illegal immigrants taking space in school rooms and not applying themselves.
It’s quite comforting to know that not only America intrude and invade other countries and kill innocent people, but they also kill their own innocent people.
God bless America and Americans’ souls.
I wish all cops are dead and i would not even shed a single tear.
Make it happen. But if you on-view an active shooter at a school who are you going to call?…..just like I thought.
Oh my fucking! GOD! I wish I was there, I would have at least TRIED to do something. That’s fucking ridiculous! Police officers are way to full of themselves; They aren’t any more important than any one else.. GOD.. I hope the dick bags get what they FUCKING DESERVE.
There was a bar full of people there. No one did anything. I doubt you have done anything either. Good attempt to stand up though.
seems to me some cops in cali are cowards i live in bakersfield ande somr cops here are cowards they shoot people here because they are to scared to do their jobs they have their badge to hide behind i have no respect for the law it has become no different than other countries like iraq iran libia syria and on and on the cops involved need life in prison are the same done to them
You stupid people! If he was resisting, then just do the normal thing and give him one good tackle. Don’t just beat him senseless until he’s in a comatose state! I hate to to use this language, but this absolute CRAP has to stop! You’re supposed to stop murder, not cause it!
Clearly you haven’t fought anyone in your lifetime. I’ve seen UFC fighters punch their opponents on LIVE TV while they were unconscious and only stopped because the referee had to step in.
Correction “their opponents were unconscious”
When law enforcement breaks the law, there is no law. These officers should be arrested and tried for murder, pure and simple.
this is Murder. and every one of those cops, and their supervisors are guilty of it, either for doing this, helping do this, not stopping this from happening, and attempting to cover it up.
KARMA KARMA KARMA.. MAYBE A HOMELESS MAN WILL KILL A COP TONIGHT AND THEN WE CAN SAY ITS OK THE HOMELESS MAN WAS JUST DEFENDING HIMSELF… THIS IS MY WISH
Go dress up as a homeless person that way you don’t have to wait for it to happen. Like Nike “Just Do It.”
I am a person who gives everyone the question of dought. But there is not one reason for this !! I have seen just about every tipe homeless people in my life tme and have survived the same hell Kelly went through. not pretty
just a regular day in america, that’s what happens when an whole country is full of racist people.
Hell Yeah!!
I haven’t seen anyone’s face look this beat up and unrecognizable since Emmet Till was murdered in Mississippi. My prayers are with the Thomas family that the truth will prevail and justice will be done. Thistime it was 6 policeman, back then it was the Klu Klux Clan.
Sounds like a bunch of bored cops with nothing better to do than beat the person that possibly committed some petty crimes, he must have really scared them in order to get beat like that and unarmed. Maybe they need to do some lay-offs so there’s not so much time on their hands. (After these cops go to prison for murder.) There is no excuse for this period.
# 432 (COMPLETELY STUNNED) these assholes at the FPD are lucky they didn’t pull this crap in Mexico, they would wind up hanging from a bridge on the 91 fwy. I have several friends in law enforcement and worry about the day gang bangers stop targeting each other and turn their attention to cops. Even worse, would be them targeting an innocent cop that had nothing to do with something like the beating because the identity of the guilty piece of shits is being hidden from the public. If they are convicted of anything, I doubt it will be murder. They should get the death penalty, but when was the last time a cop was found guilty of what they truly deserved. I haven’t lost faith though, God has a way of punishing those that do wrong by turning his attention to a persons loved ones. Things like life threatening illnesses, accidents and so on. His power is greater than all of law enforcement combined.
Police are no different from anyone else. They react like scared humans rather than the “professional machines” we expect. Television and movies spoiled us into believing that they were all cool, calm and able to make decisions in stressful situations. When a situation turns bad, they do exactly what you see here, they go too far. How many times have we seen ourselves or someone close by who loses it for a moment and then comes back to reality? There’s no excuse for what happened here, none at all. The interesting thing will be to see how a Fullerton Grand Jury reacts. The citizens of Fullerton should be up in arms. If they aren’t, then they are accessories to the crime.
Lame
The officers involved should be charged with first degree murder. There is no excuse for the beating of an unarmed man to death. He resisted arrest perhaps because he realized that he was being surrounded by pigs?
If I was surrounded by pigs I would pet them. Pigs are cute, my mom said she’s buying me one for my birthday. I’m gonna kill it and make bacon.
i would like to get my hand s on these cops any of you have the balls reply, i will meet you anywhere any time and lets see how well you do against someone who can fight back looser cops
That’s why your on the internet venting your dislike? There’s plenty of cops driving around…take your pick. But if you get beat to death that would be ironic.
The Cops owe this newfound authority to the PATRIOT ACT I and II. We can thank George W. Bush and America’s most evil bully, Dick Cheney. Obama, the DINO, could have ended this nonsense, but he didn’t. The PA gives local cops the right to kill and round people up as combatants. So, it’s time for the people to fight back and get rid of the Gestapo! Musllims have not invaded America. Like the Boston Tea Party, Communists have dressed up like Muslims but the dead give away is their evil stench.
I’m shocked! This is inhumane on the worst level. He was calling for his Dad before they bashed his head in! You know this won’t stop anytime soon. They will call it “suicide by cop”. This is murder and torture by COPS!
It’s not murder…it’s called homicide. There are certain criteria’s that need to be met to considered “murder.” Homework people…do it.
I was watching cops the other day and do you know what a cop said about his partner? He said “I like having another cop with me because it makes me feel more aggressive.” I kid you not.
i dont believe you…you are dumb
Suuure….
It shouldn’t matter if he was mentally ill or menyally challenged, no one needs to be beaten that badly. I have written to the state Attn. General and asked to look into this. Most police officers are good but some take the authority to different levels and should be fired. This cannot be forfotten. My daughter wanted to go to school in Fullerton but has changed her mind. She does not feel safe with police officers who act like that.
This is such a sad tragedy. Just read about this and I couldn’t help but burst into tears. Ironic how his father is an ex Sheriff….They messed with the wrong person. I hope the father makes an example out this police department. It’s just wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My thoughts go out to his family.
Dissappointed at Dissappointed for spelling “Dissappointed” wrong it’s DISAPPOINTED…with one S.
Wow. somebody gives somebody a badge and they think they have the power to beat someone to death. Same thing happened to my son in law a few days ago but he just got roughed up a little bit. I think those “fine Officers” should be stripped of their badges and anything else like uniforms, put into a huge container of acid, locked in and left to die a painful death like this poor soul Kelly. Kelly Thomas, Rest in peace my dear friend, rest in peace.
You must work for a mexican drug cartel…placing bodies in “containers of acid.” I see DEA and FBI in your future for making criminal threats against a government official and possible drug smuggling. First Amendment Rights didn’t mean self incrimination. So when they find a Police Officer in a vat of acid, even maybe in mexico they’ll know where to look.
If this had been a black or hispanic man Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the ACLU would have been out on the Fullerton streets raising hell and demanding the officers be fired the next day.
These cops who did this are “bad cops” and should be severely punished or tried for murder in the 2nd degree.
This is a really terrifying situation for the good and decent cops.
Major condolences to his family.
I think that this is beyond horrible and that every officer involved should suffer the same beating that they dealt out.
So every guy that slept with you should suffer the same relentless boring sex with other females? An eye for an eye is soooo18th century.
Absolutely correct but (bur) it did give you an opportunity to get your profanity posted.
I spoke to his sister when they were trying make funeral arrangement, The heart ache this has caused is horrible, sickening and Shocking. He was a lost sick person and no one should be beaten like this by any one. Kelly is gone but the family will have to remember this forever. I’m assamed of this group of Police “people”, not men. Rest in Peace Kelly and may God Bless his family.
I take it your getting 5% of whatever the family stands to make from the civil lawsuit. Cathy Cathy Cathy, Thomas was a transient, that goes to show you even his family wouldn’t open their doors to let him in and stay with them, or even give him the basic necessity so he burglarized vehicles. But now the family can make millions on his tragic death, so I guess Thomas is going to do more for his “Family” then they did for him. AMERICA+DEATH=LOVES LAWSUITS
@483 although I don’t fully agree; your comment needed to be stated
Everyone likes to talk so much but hardly any action! Why don’t we start a citizen militia to ensure public safety from the Fullerton police dept? These guys are still out and about! You could be next!
Pussy, go do something then.
Nazi mentality in the Fullerton Police Department. Fire ALL of them. Strip their pensions. Confiscate ALL their weapons including the watch commander on duty. Collectively chew ass on the entire PD Put the entire PD on probation for ten years so this Never happens again. So, so sorry about this whole upsetting happening in today’s American cities.
ALL OF THEM? Even the ones that weren’t even there and sitting at home watching TV and drinking beer? WOW?! Craig I take it your a white guy, so I’m gonna lump all white people together just like “ALL” Cops are Nazi/Bad Dudes. Don’t be silly Craig, individual accountability is what’s going to happen. Don’t call the Police ever…for anything…please.
These police are Nazis.
Yi Mach Shemam Vesichram Fullerton Police Department!
Hey I found a Nazi guys it’s Scriabin. Where’s the Nazi hunting crew that’s snatching them up and extraditing them back to Germany to be held accountable?
The individual should not have resisted.
So lame, your not FPD….because if you were you wouldn’t have identified the subject as an “individual” but as a “suspect.” It’s report writing 101 douche bag. Just another civilian always wanting to be a Cop but unable to cut it. There’s always Halloween so you can dress-up as a Cop.
Oh my God “Serve and protect” or kill first and ask questions later ?
This is murder and they will get away with it as usual.
Yes they will with the right lawyer of course.
it seems that no one agrees with what the officers did. they will get what they have coming and so will the chief..@cophater & mike99, u need to understand, a patrol officer going into the chiefs office and demanding anything is not going to happen. when sellers became chief he called in each officer to ask what he could do to make it better,,,,,that was lip service all the guy did was tell everyone what they wanted to hear. althought he did decrease pay checks. to my knowledge not 1 fpd officer picked sellers or even knew much about him. so as far as how he got there, that has to be taken up with city managment. now most of us at fpd have familes, spouses ect…. so to go in and risk this would be rather difficult. and don’t think for a second that many officers have not already voiced their thoughts… like i said 180 sworn, 6 with issues…. there are many officers that do their job with integrity, dignity and respect for others thus u never hear anything about those officers… and violence & name calling only will put u at THEIR level and it seems we all agree that what happened was not only illegal but morally wrong. now that fbi is going to step in, i am confident that jsutice will be served… @copknocker, plz say u r kidding ifu really think rioting would even remotely help this situation. more inncocent people getting hurt… thats not even a funny joke. to go and beat up officers, like i said, the “bad apples” will get what they have coming. injuring an officer that had nothing to do with this and in no way condones this is simply wrong. so i hope that u are kidding to make such an ignorant statement. @jim , seek justice-not vengence…… this would be the best idea that anyone has come up with….
How many of your fellow officers are using steroids? Be honest. The fact of the matter is that cops don’t give a damn about protecting people. You’re in it for the enormous paycheck. You’re all bad apples.
Cops and crooks are cut from the same cloth. You understand one another.
Naziim, the lot of you.
It’s amazing you can lump a small group of people as a whole organization. I’ve been a victim of crime from colored people but I have colored friends…so does that mean their all bad? Ignorance at it’s best here folks. Lump all wrong doers as the representatives of their groups (i.e. get bullied by a white person=all white people are assho!es, get robbed by a single Hispanic person=ALL Hispanic people are crooks…and so on.) Your bright Scriabin, go jump in a fire buddy.
i have voiced my say on many things, I’m really angry about what happened, please accept my thank you for what you do to protect the people under your watch.I just wanted to say THANK YOU.
I think CopKnocker’s comment was a “hiarious joke” if it was a joke
I think you all need a taste of your own medicine and some valium too, and if you dont like the comment maybe you shoud speak to those “bad apples” yourself and tell them what you think-oh yeah, you cover for each other, never mind….think twice before you participate in a beating or stand by and watch or even hear of one in your group and dont say anything- There might be someone in the crowd of witnesses who isnt afraid and wont stand there and let the beating happen.
Thank you for recognition. America represents justice, not lynch mobs! Flawed laws have a civilized method for correction, “of the people…, by the people…, for the people… shall not perish from this earth!
Although I think this was horrrific there are good cops and bad like everything else. Don’t lump every cop together. My son has been a cop for 9 years and he is very compassionate and treats people with respect. Lets remember when we need help they come to our rescue. Get rid of the scum that did this and praise the good cops for the great job they do.
Hope exists, evidenced by the comments of you readers. Apathy no.
An officer, thanks for the articulate posts. People that truly want change appreciate what you’re saying – the Scriabins of the world will hate cops no matter what they do.
Police don’t have an education higher than high school anymore. What happened to the police acadamies they used to have to attend before they got a badge and gun and a card that said the John Wayne syndrome. The police association has gone to hell in a hand basket due to stupidity and god like powers.
@Hal
AMEN
i just wonder, Rodney King got beat bad and got a big paycheck, as he should have, but why is this not on national T.V. ? Why doesn’t the NAACP care about this man? We are all human aren’t we??
I’m not human, I am an alien.
Ummm, the NAACP doesn’t care about this person because, ummm, you know, he wasn’t a “CP”….
It really is nice when, before folks jump in here and start typing, they can at least be bothered to know who and what the hell they’re commenting on in the first place.
To hear the best coverage of this incident tune into KFI radio you can listen on the web. KFI has the best reporters and are interviewing a lot of people about it.
@508 The best? you mena the most biased,Don’t you?
NAACP means the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. I’m white, am I not a colored person?
Actually the color black is described as the presence of “ALL” colors and the color white is the absence of “All” colors.
Unless you’re talking about light instead of pigment, in which case it is the other way around.
Lots of comments about the Police here…here’s my feeling about them..I’m always respectful when I speak to them, and have thanked them for the job they do.
But I hold them to a higher standard..after all we give them a badge, a gun and powers of arrest. These officers need to ans. for what they did. I would remove them from the police force.
that is absolutely disgusting, just goes to show you, our country is turning into a fascist run dump, and everyone who is major in politics is too scared for their own lifes to stand up for what is right…. but really? what is one life for a million or more?we need a good leader in these times, and obama is just a walking charismatic puppet of the NWO, the way i see it as of now, we are fucked
TRUE!! Let’s stand up for what’s right and march into our local PD’s and take it over. You sound like you got the guts to do this, call me we’ll meet up and take over a PD station and do the job better. I know your not “scared of their own lifes to stand up for what is right.”
Without knowing the entire story I cannot make a knowledgeable statement, the civilian Video is damming and the graphic photo is inflaming, I would warn the FPD to be very very careful in the near future, as there are many,many video machines on the street and you will be very visible
I am telling you..there is too much brutality and no more civil or constitutional rights. we dont have those anymore but we do have the right to form our own police and draw a clear line against police departments like this that says..do not cross..I will never call the police if I had a crime occur. Nope, I would use my own force and **** the police.
You know your gonna call the Police, don’t be ridiculous. Or better yet the next time your car/house/cardboard box gets burglarized…call a firefighter to find your belongings :-0 So like I wrote don’t be ridiculous you know your gonna the Cops in the future.
@516 so since your constitutional rights have been violated, that justifies tearing up the constitution as being a complete failure so should be ignored?
They should All, each and everyone of them go to prison!!!!! For MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE!!!!!
Prove “premeditation” and “aforethought” and you got first degree. Good luck.
i think theres is a pretty good case for murder 1. i think that these being highly trained peace officers with cat like reflexes while at thesame time posessing superior reasoning skills knew exactly what they were doing…beating a defenseless homeless man to death.
This is sick
I know isn’t it cool?
Last time I looked in a Box of crayons white was a color
These sorry excuse for cops fucked with the wrong man!!!
His dad is a former sheriff & from my view is one of the good cops.
The city is already trying to throw money at him to get him to shut his mouth and walk away.
Fullerton’s in a world of shit right now!!!
Corrupt as fuck, Covering their sorry asses.
pig kenton is a prime example of a facist pig!!!
SCUM COMES IN ALL SHADES OF SHIT
And THIS MADNESS (that my friends just informed me about) where it takes six fking PIGS (& I would FK a woman before I would even KISS a fking cop) to subdue a schizophrenic man that SIX cops had to BEAT UP SO BADLY that the poor man fking DIED causes ME to want to DIE a million times more that I already do…
I do not want to be a part of this planet any longer… It is only getting worse, & worse, & worse here on this planet it SHAMES me to have to call my home… More & more COPS are FKING THINKING THAT THEY ARE “ABOVE THE LAW” BECAUSE MOST TIMES THIS TYPE OF MURDER-MURDER-MURDER-not NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE-BRUTAL MURDER (just as was the case with Oscar Grant) TAKES PLACE, THE COPS INVOLVED GET A FKING ‘SLAP ON THE WRIST” (thus PROVING to all the FUTURE COPS who will wind up doing similar HORRIFIC things to their fellow HUMAN BEINGS that cops are indeed “Above the fking law”)…
Robert-YOU MAKE ME PUKE! Even if “The Individual Resisted”, SIX FKING COPS didn’t have to BEAT “The UN ARMED individual” to a bloody, fking, pulp!!!!!!
What does “un-armed” have to do with anything. Have you ever fought a guy “un-armed” on PCP? (Granted Thomas refused to take his medication.) I agree, force was possibly excessive, but “un-armed” has nothing to do with it. It’s just a catchy phrase the public uses to make the situation seem more severe. Justice for Thomas will prevail, and Officers will be held accountable.
Dear Council Members and Law Enforcement Officials of Fullerton County,
I implore you to look hard at this case, and do all in your power to get an honest investigation in the matter of now deceased Mr. Kelly Thomas. This has gone national, and it doesn’t take much intelligence to see that this is a HOMICIDE committed by some of the officers of the Fullerton Police Department. I understand that officers risk their lives daily to protect the public, and normally this is the case. I believe Kelly Thomas “more than likely” WAS the person involved in the incident the officers went to investigate. HOWEVER, I was not aware the officers were now the entire Judge, jury, and executioners for those whom are PRESUMED guilty. Even “IF” Mr. Thomas did in fact resist arrest, I am quite sure that 6 officers would have had NO problem detaining and arresting an UNARMED homeless person in a proper manner, particularly since a taser was used to help detain the individual. I have viewed the picture that has been released of the aftermath of the “HOMICIDE” of Kelly Thomas and it has compelled me to write to you. Truthfully I am sorry an officer received soft tissue damage, which in turn compelled the officers in a pack mentality to pound and beat a man who had already been rendered helpless by being tased upwards of 3 to 5 times , who is, during these tasings and beatings crying out for his Dad for help as they are “MURDERING” him. Survival instinct would insist an individual try to protect himself from death. There really isn’t a need for an investigation here other than to build evidence for the prosecution against the involved officers for the court proceedings prior to the prison term they will receive for this betrayal of public trust, their sworn duties, and wrongful death. There is not, nor could there “EVER” be an excuse for the brut force that was used in this situation, and there are plenty of witnesses.
There has been way to much of this lately and it needs to STOP, starting NOW. Many truly good law abiding citizens are taking notice of the bad judgment being used by our officers across the United States. I have donated to our TPD and Sheriff department for years in the past. I am thankful for our hard working officers that keep our streets safe on a daily basis. That is a dangerous position to be in. I do not have a traffic or parking ticket on my record, I have never been arrested, and yet this alarms me to an extensive degree. That would be an understatement. I am extremely upset these officers are allowed to continue working pending this investigation. Officers are here to enforce the laws AND FOLLOW them, NOT to abuse the position they hold.
Council Members, and law enforcement officials of Fullerton, you now have a duty to the public and the Thomas family to take care of,
however uncomfortable it may make you.
Rest in peace, Kelly Thomas. My heartfelt condolences to your Father and Family.
This is why police UNIONS need to be banned RIGHT NOW! They are nothing but a gang of criminal thugs. They retire at 50 with 6 figure salaries for the rest of their lives? These assholes were back on the street the very day after they did this murder! And the rest of the “good cops” and their local government approved. What a bunch of satanic nazi trash! Destroy the police UNIONS now, make these psychopaths get a real job. Put the murders in prison with a bunch of 200 pound bubbas who will turn them into women!
Most police are corrupt – mentally not the brightest, that is why they are generally cops. Some are sharp – but most not so much and so often partake in the same illegal consumptions and behaviors they arrest others for. Hypocrites with ‘little person’ behavior taking out their frustrations and childhood issues on people without any governance or accountability for their actions.
They are so often dicks, pretentious and in Fullerton, a city I’ll never a dime in, they should be tried for murder. Pigs suck.
I say we go find the first cop we see and say it their face. I’m in and I’ll bring a stick just in case things go crazy.
wow, it certainly seems that too many people have so much hatered. name calling is an ignorant way to deal with this.
it seems there are many people who are jealous of the salary that a police officer makes. however many of us have worked hard to get to where we are. many of us have taken an oath and provided a high level of service to the public. i understand the citizens pay my check but i also pay taxes to. as far as retirement, that is something that i have earned.
for those people that are jealous of an officers salary, well testing for the job is open to the public. last i heard its a free country therefore i strongly encourage all these people who are quick to call names and try to challenge the integrity and generalizing the ALL officers are bad and corrupt. then come down apply, get the job and make a difference.
then u can also receive that same paycheck with benefits. i work for my money, have never taken a hand out, never murdered anyone, never destroyed evidence, never beaten people and when i have made arrests, i have had arrestees thank me for treating them with fairly. once again i will remind people, there are several fpd officers that not involved in this incident, do not agree with the level of force that was used and were not even on duty when the incident took place.
so #481 so don’t concern ur self with the pay scale of an officer, retirement plan,quit referring to us as nazis and quit making statements regarding a persons sexual preference. like jim put it ” SEEK JUSTICE NOT REVENGE”. and if u jealous about the salary of what an officer makes and u think u can come in and do a good fair job to all the people all the time, then i invite to come and apply. and btw #481, i am jewish and gay. so please think before u speak…..
YOU ARE A TROLL!!!
YOU AIN’T A COP, YOU CAN’T EVEN SPELL!!!
IF YOU WERE A gay jewish male YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER EDUCATION. AND BE ABLE TO POST A MORE INTELLECTUAL COMMENT.
Hey Stand Up, you certainly represent the epitome of education,ignorant stereotyping,poor spelling, blind hatred. Yep; those are certainly traits of a well educated man. Observers, take note: Sigma Cum Laude is in the building. By the way; Did you bring Elvis?
To officer. And many of us fail to say thank you, so I will. Thank You
Come on folks. Let’s please not lose our senses here. One look at this picture, and accepting that this poor guy was unarmed (doesn’t seem to be disputed): This result is incomprehensible and wholly unacceptable. I value and support our law enforcement officers. That said: There is absolutely no rational explanatiom for this result. Frankly (unless I see some different and credible evidence) I think not only that not only should these officers be fired, but they should be be criminally charged wirh felony murder and second-degree murder.
That position, which I think is wholly appropriate in this case as publically presented,does not REMOTELY result in some crazy conclusion that law enforcement officers, in general, deserve to die. Goodness gracious: By all appearances these officers did the wrong thing, the deserve to be fired, and they deserve to be criminally charged (and convicted). But irrationally taking the posirion that all officers should be subject to random death and we, as citizens, should somehow glory in that death? That position is not only rationallt wrong, but it detracts from the reality that in this particular case law enforcement got it wrong, did it wrong, and should be substantially punished for the horrific injuries they perpetrated on this poir man. How about we keep our senses about us, demand accountability where due, and also give our thanks where earned.
People die in the hands of law enforcement all the time…get over it…it’s AMERICA!!
Fullerton PD!
Chief of Police Michael Sellers 714.738.6825 msellers@fullertonpd.org
Uniform Division Capt Dan Hughes 714.738.6840 dhughes@fullertonpd.org
Services Division Capt Alex Bastreri 714.738.6839 rbastreri@fullertonpd.org
Investigation Division Capt Kevin Hamilton 714.738.6841 khamilton@fullertonpd.org
Police Public Information Officer Sgt Andrew Goodrich 714.738.6838 agoodrich@fullertonpd.org
Dan Hughes Capt. a Great contact out of all these names! he is a good officer and believe me I have NO love for the Fullerton PD right now, and haven’t for many years. most officers are corrupt from bad past Captains like Maze and Maynard.. Dan Huges is a stand up man. you can believe his word! trust me on this one. Call him, the Chief is a waste of time if you can even get him on the phone, he’s never at work and only has this job to double dip on pensions raping the tax payers. why do you think the Fullerton Police Dept is so out of control, No ones at the wheel!!!! I have been saying this for years! Fire the lame duck Chief right now! put Capt Hughes in as acting Chief until the Feds get to the bottom of this!(thanks to Shawn Nelson!!) City council must act now! it already appears as if they could careless and would like the FPD and OCDA to keep sweeping this MURDER under the rug! Posted by Sean Francis.
A couple of years back the City of Fullerton with the advice of the Fullerton Police Dept. put surveillance cameras throughout our Downtown. These cameras were there to help capture criminals in the act. Well on July 5th they did, they caught 6 men Murder a homeless man! The city is holding the tape and should release it to the public!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Kelly-Thomas/147983011947206
Yes show it, so that all people, men, women, children can go on the internet to see such a beating. I hope your not a parent and if you are I feel scared for your children.
As of Friday 7-30 all but one of the FPD involved is back on the streets. The officer who is off work is on medical leave for a non-related injury, or illness
All 6 cops are off the streets. Now show the video!
We as Americans love gruesome sh!t. I love it. But when it’s at our front door, like this example, we are mortified.
These cops where not human who did this to this person! they did not have a soul.
You coppers need to stop whining about how there are good cops ones and “bad apples” If this is true why are there still sick “bad apples” in the force with guns since the beginning of time? if this was really a concern this would have changed by now-but no, you all cover for each other-you “good ones” know of some “bad apples” right now but instead of doing something about it- you choose to ignore it for whatever reason you have inside. cowards with badges
And about Mr Thomas getting an insulting $ offer by the dirtbag city/PD lawyers -what was “your son is no rocket scientist” remark about? you know that exact quote you told the dad yesterday? Douche turds? Heres news- the people you represent are no rocket scientists either and you may want to look inthe mirror, cause neither are you – everyone involved in this Fullerton PD issue are scumbags who are only interested in covering-here’s the scoop, loud and clear for you that are deaf and dumb, NOT THIS TIME-ITS NOT GOING AWAY, no one is intimated by any of you-hear? bite me, and we’ll say what we want, blog what we want and post any names we want as long as it wont fuck up the case for Kelly-now thats justice- Kelly’s death will be a start for change.
correction intimidated not intimated
@stand up, i never told u my gender and i never told u what my educational backround is . its really none of ur business. yep 6 officers did something wrong but all those who feel the whole dept is corrupt, just goes to show that all those who want to call names, start riots and try to accuse (officers that have done nothing wrong) just goes to show that even at the civilian level there is a bunch of ignorant people that are no better then the officers that beat kelly in the first place.
@merijoe, coward with badges, before u make a statement regarding ALL officers plese have ur facts in order and think about what u say. u have no idea what officers have told or not told to command staff. as u have read fbi will be stepping in therefore wait to see what the end results will be before casting stones indicating that fpd officers are not stepping up. alot of the info that travis has gotten is from the inside. i in no way back the chief and many officers feel this way, but we did not pick him, u can thank city management for that. @sf, u are right, dan hughes is a good person and a good captain, if the dept was under his watch most of this stuff would not have happened. when the new chief came in he interviewed officers to get advice as to what he could change to make the pd better… guess what he did nothing but cut 8% of our check.
@pigs suck, please do ur best to dig “dirt” on any fpd officers. out of 180 sworn, i can tell u that the majority is not corrupt so get a list of names and dig. u will get “dirt” on some and a few things u will not like….but again not ALL of us are corrupt, cowardly or anything less then a good person that chose the profession of a police officer…..once again SEEK JUSTICE, NOT REVENGE…..
you did say you were gay not a lesbian, and your poor grammar shows lack of education. IS THAT HOW YOU WRITE UP POLICE REPORTS?
StandUp. Have you ever heard the expression “better to remain silent and believed a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt?
oh shut your lying face, “an officer”, I will say what I want and I know exactly what im talking about-You covering, heartless Nazi scumbag… I know what Ive seen with my own eyes-there is NO excuse for what happened to that little homeless, frail, malnourished, mentally ill guy who was calling out for his daddy- NONE-and no excuse for what everyone including his family had to be subject to seeing, courtesty of your BFF’s that you are covering for-yes, coward with badges, that includes you…
you are a “coward” cause you keep covering up for those SOB’s and feel you can get away with beating someone until they die and if someone steps in to help that person, you arrest him/her or beat them too. And you and those beating animals have a “badge”
therefore, cowards with badges sums it up.
@ Marijoe
Brava!
hey please do not refer to the officer as a nazi. they already explained why that term is offensive. use fascist or thug but lighten up on the nazi thing. lucky for me an my youthful exploits i never had many run-ins wit the police and have never been disrespectful towards them. they towards me many times.
okay now for a closer look at the comments ‘an officer’ made about 6 out of 180 being a good number. six out of 180 is a little over 6%. that is like saying that out of any group that if 6% of its members participate in beatings of unarmed people we should be happy for such a low number
@an officer
Tell us the names of the officers. You know who they are, they’re buddies of yours.
The fact of the matter is that you will never inform on these murderers BECAUSE they’re your buddies.
You are therefore no different from them. You’re all one big GANG.
That’s the bottom line.
@an officer again, thanks for the explanations. Those of us that look forward to justice in this situation appreciate your attitude and professionalism. It’s good to know all the cops won’t be circling the wagons and going silent. The haters don’t care about justice, they just want anarchy.
yeah, thats what i want, anarchy…moron. If these “professional” individuals are so interested in peace not war, how come they dont come clean with the names of those 6 hyienas? whats with covering their butts for 3 damn weeks about? and if the beating wasnt exposed it would still be covered up today. Big pat on their backs and Im gong to make sure I always travel with a couple people from now on. This is own the level of Al Quida-yes we are going to fight back- Here’s your justice. They just talk this crapola of “justice” because they dont want people to fight back-ha, not anymore-not going to take this anymore
merijoe, while trumpeting police powers supported by the patriot act that has been suggested here; doesn’t that fall under Homeland Security; ie; terrorist threats/acts Guantanamo Bay etc.? Your rhetoric sounds almost treasonous
to concerned,treason only qualifies after violence occurs, sedition applies when you promote violence against entities
to concerned. treason only applies after violent acts occur, Sedition applies to threats of violence against government institutions.
Many Seditious individuals want to promote vigilante justice, but 1st degree for 6? Were there six tasers applied to Kelly’s head, or one? THAT’s why we need “due process of law” by an unbiased authority, as well as an untainted jury pool. Keep spreading YOUR tainted agenda, taint the pool, then cry “injustice” when “beyond a shadow of a doubt” cannot be achieved
If you promote uncontrolled violence in the streets; you promote “Rodney King” style results. Innocent people got hurt. If the means justify the end, then 6 FPD become exonerated by that same train of irrational thought. If you wish to portray yourself as intelligent and credible; then BE intelligent and credible!
@ADMIN Just exactly what is your stand on this issue? It appears as if you wish to perpetuate the violence under the guise of open platform discussion. If I’m wrong, I apologize; but if i’m right, then maybe you are the one the rope should apply to.
by the way admin; since when did you become “the voice of the public?”
jim-were you dropped on your head when you were a kid? curious
merijoe, did you ever find your head after it fell off? just curious
@marijoe
You are right. This ‘jim f’ is far too passionate in his attempt to defend the police. I suspect that he is one of them. The line that, “only a few cops are bad” is a bunch of bull. The fact that this kind of behavior is swept under the rug by the whole of the Fullerton PD is proof that Nazi police only look out for their own.
“Protect and Serve”
My ASS!
to merijoe and scriabin. while implying I’m one of “them” what if you were right and you spent all day inflaming and venting with ba federal officer? did you know that only 3o seconds are required to trace an IP/MAC address anywhere on the globe? homeland security act would have you in custody already, Moron! BEWARE< BIG BROTHER CAN AND IS WATCHING YOU< BIG MOUTH!
F You FPD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX748C5JAws
Well, I guess it’s time to start importing more hobos.
So it takes 5 cops to taser and beat a skinny frail homeless man? Clearly the cops had nothing better to do then beat a guy senseless who was starving and obviously not able to defend himself from 5 cops because he possibly was breaking into a car. Someone clearly needs to take the heat for this. Breaking into a car does not deserve death. I could understand if he was on a drug like PCP that was 250 lbs resisting arrest… but please… this guy was a skinny starving homeless man. There is definitely some corruption here.
As much as I dont want to carry a gun to protect myself. I do have that right with or without the police departments blessing. REST in Peace Kelly sorry for these no good thugs And as much as I hate the Police and DA s mentality I want to see them go to jail for killing him. No pention, paid leave, nothing just jail for them. 10 years a piece and then they cannot work in that profession ever again. And they must help the homeless 10 thousand hours for free.
@kellenbm. Your rights are guaranteed ONLY as a law abiding citizen. Misinterpret or exploit that right gives your right away, self denial of rights by commission of illegal acts against the same laws that assure you that right. contact null and void by default.
We are just one step away from neanderthal according the lastest DNA tests The Force should keep their dogs on a leash. No ands Ifs or Buts.
The force will try to make the community sit on curb while they beat the rest of us into submission Maybe everyone should buy a gun rather than a cell phone. By Us I mean everyone.
The law is subject to interpritation they could have realized he had done nothing and let him walk away. But they decided to beat him til they were sastified. I still can barely believe what they did.
Where are all the Boyscouts? Certainly not on the police force. One thing I have learned is that you don’t want them against you even if you are A GOOD PERSON they do not care they will find some way to TAX you.
Citizens must walk in pairs to protect themselves from Police and carry cameras at all times in order to prove themselves. Oh and screaming for your father will not convince them of anything. They will just keep beating you. Damn them to Hell.
Whoever is getting upset because people are speaking poorly of officers as a whole, when it’s not all of the officers that are like this, only some. Well, those bad cops are representing their police station, their town, and police officers as a whole. When some screw up, they make the rest look bad as well. It’s you can’t go out in a work uniform to a bar and get drunk after you get off work, because you’re representing the company you work for. Or, if you’re on a school trip, that’s why they encourage good behavior from students, teachers and chaperones. Because you’re representing your town and school. One person screws up, they make the rest look bad. While that is unfair, it is common sense. This man didn’t deserve to die like this, no matter what he did. The poor man.
lacey, does police representation of the town make it responsible also? You say it does!
Looks like Kenton Hampton paid $2,238.89 in property taxes in 2008 according to PUBLICLY AVAILABLE tax records.
http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/5738017100/309_n_holliston_avenue_unit_no5
to anonymous. how would like your location and identity a matter of public record?
to scriabin. with all the eye witness testimony, how can the identity of the police be such a mystery? by the way, Are you a famous pianist?
@merijoe, wow u are a bitter person. u have no idea what is going on with the investigation. i earned my badge and i do not take it forgranted. i do not expect favors and obvisoulsy in 20 years i have never been in trouble or done anything that was not fair or right. i am not a coward and i am not hiding behind anything.
first of all there are 8-12 officers on a shift. there are 180 sworn, so if u know how to do math, numbers would clearly indicate that the majority of the officers were not even there when this happened. so not sure if u are expecting officers that were not even there to make so knid of statement about something that did not involve them.
and if u care so much about the homeless, mentally ill, malnourished, then go help those folks. bring them nutrious food and open ur home and give them a place to sleep and cleanup. fullerton armory has serveral homeless that stay there during the winter months and i have never seen any citizens go down there and offer help or give donations.
so now u want to cry about kelly and how awful things were for him when while he was alive, the truth is, no one gave a crap about his hunger,nutrtion, cleanliness, or medical condition otherwise he would have not been roaming the streets of fullerton.
so if u want to take a stand that would be great, plz i urge u, GO OUT AND HELP OTHER HOMELESS….
.@scriaban, why in the world would i tell u anything, people are wanting to fight, beat, kill, riot ect…against these officers which only brings u down to their level. the fbi has names & info so plz allow them to do their job. punishment to those who deserve it , will get it.
@576, not sure why ur posting hamptons info. that is no ones business, let fbi investigate and do their job. …
I REALLY WISH THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO NOW SUDDENLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS AND MENTALLY ILL, GO OUT AND HELP THEM>>>>>BRING THEM A HOT MEAL< OPEN UR HOMES SO THEY CAN GET REST< PROVIDE THEM WITH INFO SO THEY CAN GET MEDICAL AID……..therefore there will not be any more acts of violence against the homeless…..as for corrupt officers, karma will come and justice will be served!
Yeah I’m not really patient enough to wait for Karma to punish these thugs.
nipsy. another stooge has entered the arena, or maybe a continuing stooge under a different presumed “veil of Anonymity”
@officer. AMEN!
you no nothing about me and yes i am bitter and vexed to my soul over animals like your buds who feel its ok to bea, kill and intimidate then hide behind their “badge” knowing douchewads like you will cover for them. Yes numbnuts, the homeless issue exists that doesnt mean you and your BFF’s in blue can do what you want to them-comprenday? You will have to stand before God one day and explain why you covered for those murders-so save it and tell him all your excuses and how no one but you cares about the homeless. This site is not about the homeless, this is about the beating murder of kelly thomas
remember?
Hate to break it to you jim but if you have a credit card, own a house, pay rent, pay taxes, own a business, work, ever been arrested, have a civil court record, etc you will have a public record.
So by default everyone has a public record including you “jim”.
Fullerton Police officer also involved #2 Joe Wolfe. More to come.
@officers all; scripture says,give the message; those with eyes will see, those with ears shall hear. Those who choose to be blind and deaf will not change. don’t cast your pearls among these swine. And they call you ‘pigs’ ironic! wipe the dust from your feet show no remorse. they chose their own destiny
There is too much ignorance here and too little thought. People take the actions of a few to reflect the whole. They look from the side lines and ask why such things happen around them, yet it never occurs to them that they can help stop it. Things like this are not one time occurrences
Educate yourself and others of the atrocities around you that occur and stand up against them.
Do not stand by and allow yourself to be a witness to these things stand up and be heard,
“Don’t wait for a hero be one.”
Anonymous. I envy you that forethought, intelligent as well as compassionate. These people need to recognize the evil before it allows catastrophe; proactive not reactive. If you see evil neutralize it, even when it’s just babbling fools promoting violence in the streets of downtown U.S.A. under the misguided claim of justice.Maybe these people work for one of those “bin laden” types. maybe they’re just modern day “high school yuppies” having a facebook thrill to ease their boredom. maybe they’re political opponents slinging campaign mud. who knows? but,one thing is certain; they are promoting violence and hate while giving excuses that only justify in their own minds, but they hope others will act on while they remain anonymous on FFFF. maybe FFFF might be called cybil; one person with multiple personalities. hey tony, are you running for office anywhere?
P.S. hey tony, your last name doesn’t seem familiar, is your ancestry european? arabic? with all the stereotyping being thrown around; what if it were directed at you?
well waiting……for all those who sincerely feel bad for what was done to kelly but yet did nothing to help him, but now all the sudden “care so much” “deeply saddened” “sick to ur stomach” and any other sorrowful feeling u hold becasue of this……STEP UP, HELP A HOMELESS PERSON< COOK THEM A MEAL, GIVE THEM SOME MONEY, GIVE THEM A NICE PLACE TO REST,A NUTRUTIOUS MEAL (so they would be skinny,malnurished & frail), ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND CLEAN UP IN UR HOME,OFFER TO DRIVE THEM TO A HOSPITAL TO GET HELP, DONATE CLOTHES………since the community has now stepped up and wants justice. well do something……. no one can bring kelly back and our justice system will decide the fate of the officers…..so give justice back to the community in the name of kelly……and for the family, since ur seeking justice in the honor of ur son, u might want to do the above. and with the payout, plz open a shelter, give medical care, food, ect….to the homeless people of the community that be menatlly ill like ur son. and most important EDUCATE people about mental illness…
this aint about the homeless problem!!!
THIS ABOUT POLICE MURDERING HOMELESS!!!
WHY DONT YOU TELL YOUR DADDY TO STOP ACTING LIKE A FASCIST PIG!!! & DO HIS DAMN JOB WITH OUT THE BLOOD SPORTS.!!!
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY!!!
AND LEARN SOME GRAMMAR, 8 YEAR OLDS CAN TYPE BETTER THAN YOU
sickliberal. play editor of your own entry. bad grammar,bad typing? apply the same standards on yourself as you apply bto others.
@an officer
It is awfully presumtuous of you to assume that the people here do nothing to help the homeless.
That people help do not help the homeless does not excuse the beating of this man. Your argument is completely irrelevant.
You police all cover up one another’s crimes. You’re above the law…you’re monsters.
This is sooo sad an disgusting…. I’m a man and it hurts my heart to hear this man cry for his father… I have lost so much respect for officers, I couldn’t give a damn if their the so called good ones, because when ur ass is be beaten on the ground the good ones aren’t around…..
as anyone ask if this son was homeless too? if not then why does he allow his own father to live on the streets… A majority of true homelessness is due to some form of mental disorder of various degrees these people need help from anyone reach out and do something.
They all lie and cover for each other. Maggots
and i am sure this question will be coming…what have i done for the homeless?
when ever i am at a resturant and they r about ready to close, they have asked if i want the items that had not sold during the day. i always take them and there are a few local transients that hang around certain parks and i always give the food to them. when ever we go thru closets i bag the clothes and give them to homeless, sometimes on my way from work i give them to local fullerton transients and sometimes i give to local transients in the city i live.. i have given child transients food out of my lunch, why because i am human and i have a heart. fyi, there is a female fpd officer that i have witnesses giving stuff to local transients….. and if u don’t believe me, ask fullerton fire….
uh-huh so why didnt you say something when dickless was braggin in the locker room?
@klee, hope u will take ur sorrow and give back to the homeless. and not sure if “ur ass is beaten on the ground” but its ashame u were unable to locate a “good” officer to help u….. can u plz advise when u were beaten to the ground and what city you were in? if u have be wrongly assaulted , i personally would like to bring those officers to justice and restore ur respect for police officers…
….based on all the comments i have read, it seems that people are ready to “clean house” and get rid of corruption…..so lets get it done!
and i feel bad also that kelly called for his father for help, but i do have to question, why his father did not help much earlier in kelly’s life and get him the medical aid and not allow his son to roam the streets of fullerton, homeless, unkept, hungry and most important with a terrible medical condition that his father, as a police officer himself, knew could possibly risk kelly’s safety…. as a police officer u are a mandated reporter, so if kelly’s condition and mental stability was an issue , i would certainly expect his father would have made attempt to help his son and get him the help & treatment he may have needed……
BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA NOT NORTH KOREA!!!
KELLY THOMAS LIVED FREE IT WAS HIS CHOICE UNTIL YOUR FATHER BEAT HIM LIKE A PIECE OF BEEF
And they wonder why we cheered when Lovell Mixon took care of business!!!!!
The Fullerton PD can be abusive and this may be the tip of the iceberg. Once I saw a girl selling something, maybe cookies, in front of a supermarket in Fullerton. She was sitting on the ground back up against the wall, obviously intimidated, while a huge officer lorded himself over her barking something about why is she lying to him. I’m still angry at myself for not saying something to someone. Once I was pulled over and for the next hour they searched me and my car. But my gripe is with the nazi type attitude the officer gave me at the same time I was 100% cooperative. I’m genuinely surprised I wasn’t falsely accused of something. After they searched my engine my battery went dead forcing me to call a tow truck at a cost of $175 – that was no coincidence. I don’t look like trouble, I’m a 50 year old professional driving a white SUV. A single taser jolt to a 135 lb homeless man should take enough fight out of him to safely put the cuffs on. Mr. Thomas, don’t take the money until there is a full investigation, which won’t happen any time soon. And my condolences – I may have bought your son food a couple times. Friendly suggestion, give the money to the Orangewood Children’s Foundation Guardian Scholars program in a trust under your sons name.
Most of us are unaware of our rights more imperative is the threat of retaliation by these animals. Take their pensions and imprison them with the victims they frame.
email to the counsel as requested. attached is letter that was emailed
It is time to eliminate the abuse which hides behind the Corporation as we know it.
A police officer gives his oath to office to uphold the Ca Constitution which states that the US Constitution is to be upheld. As you know this is not being done. No one can ever call the police for help because the police have turn into a city-paid gang of thugs. They no longer care about the safety of the public but care about keeping the numbers up for the corporation in which they work for. You allowed the corporation to take over your city and treat everyone as number, just another future victim for the system which profit off of extortion and abusing its citizens. What happen to good women and men that stood for liberty and justice? Now all we have is a corporation which profits as it destroys life among us.
We are taking back the control of our votes and our vote depends on your action while in office. It is time that people come first before the corporation and we demand that the officers who are responsible for the death of Kelly Thomas will be held accountable and there will be no immunity behind the corporation, and I want these officers to be prosecuted through the attorney general office. The Department of Justice will be notified on the handling of this case and all other related cases. I will personally oversee your action or inaction in this matter. It is time to step up to the plate and bring justice back into our judicial system.
@tom, he murdered 4 people trying to do their job. u cheered for the murder of 4 people? u may need to get some help. do always cheer at murders? if u feel that kelly was murdered then i guess start cheering….u r a sick minded person no better then the murderer himself……ps… did u also cheer for 911, 100’s were murdered that day. citizens, fire personel, cops…..
if they did do this all i can say to them is don’t drop the soap when they go to prison.
Police gone wild… “Some one call the cops, these thugs in police uniforms are killing this guy…”
If you or me beat a man to death we would go to jail for a very very long time. If a group of 6 officers systematically beat a man to death…. nothing? Nothing!
US is fucked. Time to break out the firearms.
Wouldn’t that be a kick if the real Mr. Eastwood posted here. I doubt it would be much different than #646 by Clint Eastwood on July 31, 2011 posted.
Nice to see you here ‘Clint Eastwood.’ Welcome. (thumbs up)
Next time bring Clyde and let him loose on the FPD 6! Boy, would THAT be a riot! Heck, you could even give him a taser to use on ’em.
Something I’d truly love to see. heheheh
You crackers are making too big of a deal about this dead cracker. If it was a black man which is usually is, you crackers would say he must have deserved it or he was guilty of something. It’s about time the Police start killing crackers. Congratulations to the Police.
CRANK YANKER ALERT!!!
Folks, don’t waste your time on this fool. He’s not even a real Black. He’s an obvious ‘Cracker’ shill.
Shut your stupid racist piehole Nate-the knucklehead
Us, “crackers”, never hear about your shit or we would cry out
Witness account
http://youtu.be/f_hivslQiE8
Well Merijoe, unfortunately I will not be silenced that easy sweety. You people have had it too good for too long and now it’s time the roles get reversed. We need more incidents like this one in order for your people to get outraged and want to end brutality and unfairness for all. You people need to known that injustice have been around alot longer for African Americans than just the month of July. So go to hell you lilly white trash and I hope the police keep up the assault on honest hard working god fearing crackers like this young man. Until there is justice for all, there will be no justice for your kind either cracker.
well, racist Nate, this “lily white trash cracker” still wants to know why the majority of us “crackers” never hear about the “african american” beatings until years later, sometimes never, and then get some African american racist like you calling us names and proclaiming we dont care huh? could you answer that? why dont you say this to the poo-lice they’re the ones who cover everything up
HEY NATE A.
HATE A CRACKER DAY WAS A MONTH AGO!!!
DUMB ASS, YOUR OWN KIND SOLD YOU OFF TO SOME CRACKERS ON A BOAT.
GET FUCKING REAL
ITS ALL ABOUT THE RICH AGAINST THE POOR
AINT A RACIST I’M A CLASSIST
RICH BLACKS DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU
AND THE SAME FOR US CRACKERS
I WONT FIGHT A RACE WAR, I WILL FIGHT A CLASS WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT YOU SIR AINT GOT NO CLASS
so called officer supports murder. does mr thomas know his son is the foundation of a class war?
Witness account of the beating http://youtu.be/f_hivslQiE8
to my knowledge we all bleed red, so leave race cards out……. still not 1 comment on what anyone has done to go out and actually help out a homless person that is down on their luck….. transients come in all shapes and colors but they are all humans…. so is anyone going to do anything to help these folks or just keep whining and complaining but not making the difference in the life of a homless person..
DUMB ASS THIS AINT ABOUT HELPING HOMELESSNESS, ITS ABOUT PREVENTING POLICE BRUTALITY!!!
GO HUG A TREE AND KISS A COP
@an officer. Have you noticed the pattern? selfish,spoiled rich kid mentality,never taught right from wrong, chastised for something and wanting revenge. class war. how dare the police presume to chastise me; the shear audacity is atrocious!
unless daddies name is william randolph hearst or conrad hilton, i’ll wager there’s a limit to how much even mommy and daddy will tolerate from their spoiled little brat! how much do you suppose O.J.s justice cost?
unless you haven’t noticed; this is not Beverly hills or district of columbia. bar central is on harbor blvd., not rodeo drive or pennsylvania ave.
I’ll wager when mommy and daddy cut off their spoiled little brat, they’ll change their name to menendez.
an officer. Some appear to believe their blood is blue
o yes, and it seems the majority will no longer be calling on fpd for help….. guess this makes for a slow work week…..so i WILL go do something for the transients….some food, some money, heck some cold water on these hot days……
good one-try to change the subject-coward-release the names of the 6 animals
6 animals? 1 merijoe 2 copknocker 3… etc. etc., etc,
an officer. may i request ice water?
Thank You, I feel better already! Very Kind of You.
Seek help. The taxpayers will pay for it.
Oh goody, and will you personally chauffeur me in your Bentley?
My Rolls is in the shop, some dumbass stole my hood ornament!
an officer. 1 more request please. How do you spell hoity toity?
that dumb ass cant spell let alone write up a police report.
geez buy some one a beer ya cheap shit
LETS ALL HELP THE FPD ON HOW TO DO THEIR JOB WITHOUT BEATING PEOPLE LIKE A PIECE OF RAW MEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW ABOUT THAT?
police are fucken animals. they will burn in hell.
Officer and Jim obviously were dropped on their heads at one time. just ignore them-they are full of BS and are trying to start trouble by pissing people off on purpose
Gee, role reversal! must have hit a weak spot. Looks like I hit it right on the nose. We call that Criminal Profiling!
You cops are the ones with gold-plated pay and benefits. Drive yourself – in your tricked-out pick-up. But be sure to go. If you go truly nutsy you may end up on the streets like Kelly Thomas.
Wounded combat vet my ass.
What if were already there looking directly at you?
I’ll bet you’d never take a bullet for another human being, maybe his wallet!
I bet if somebody took the time to drop one on your ass you’d have a better attitude!
What’s the matter/ Did I distract you from inciting riots on your misrepresented blood hunt?
Unfortunately Mr. Kelly won’t be able to go to court to defend himself on whether or not he actually was breaking into cars because the officers killed him before he could speak. Beating a homeless starving mentally ill man senseless with 5 cops does not seem fair does it. Like I said before this is not justification, he was not some drugged out 250 lb guy on PCP on some kind of rampage was he… there are a few people in here that have an IQ of a squirrel.
jrawk. temporary distraction only,back to rhetoric! You and your cronies should at least take the time to synchronise your verbatim/strategy. The prissies confessed that it’s not homeless or justice issue, only class warfare!
What the hell, did the VA cut back on your meds?
Wise man always say, “never underestimate your opponent”
you think me crazy? me think me outsmart your dumb ass
when all else fails, revert back to adolescent school yard bully tactics, insults and name calling! CHECKMATE!
your just a sad fuck
#687 by Jim on July 31, 2011
you think me crazy? me think me outsmart your dumb ass
Umm… Like you ‘outsmarted’ Kelly Thomas? Keep talking, Jimbo. The court can issue a warrant to have your computer communications traced. Gives brand new meaning to the old expression, “hung by his own words,” doesn’t it? Please, don’t stop posting! Goes to frame of mind, which at very least will have an influence during the sentencing phase of the trial. By the way, suggest you get a separate attorney, so you can roll on your buds to get a lighter sentence. Just sayin.’
Unlike your prior intentions for Kelly Thomas, I hope you have a nice loong life, in the State Pen.
Like you’ve underestimated the will of The People?
Wiser man always say: take your pills. Especially the little blue ones.
yOU WOULD KNOW, WOULDN’T YOU?
CRAZY AS A FOX, AND THREE TIMES A LETHAL
Sweet Mother of Baby Jebus we’ve got us a certifiable loonytic.
No, what you got is a profile on record
Future Crime = Suspect Database
SPOILED LITTLE RICH KIDS PASS THEIR TIME BY FLAUNTING THEIR PRIVILEGED LITTLE ASSES IN BARS AND BREAK RULES CAUSE THEY CAN, I PASS MY TIME FISHING FOR PIRANHA, I CHEW DYNAMITE AND PISS NITRO GLYCERIN; WANNA PLAY?
I’ll bet Fullerton PD has changed policy regarding the handling of unruly bar crowds, That’s what this stink is all about!
citizens of Fullerton, take notice! Privileged little rich kids have had their feelings hurt and are throwing a temper tantrum!
hahaha. That’s exactly what’s happening in this very entertaining comments XD. This is better than JerseyShore!
yes throw up the info now or shut the fuck up
u is a bitch azz cracker
Kelly Thomas, May God Have Mercy Upon Your Soul. These children cannot exploit you any more
Fullerton FPD may God have no mercy on your collective soul. You are a band of theives, drug addicts, pick-pockets, thugs and liars.
@Jim
We both know that this perp. got what was coming to him.
One less schizophrenic car theif.
That’s how I see it.
You self appointed PHD’s with nothing more than a sophomore education at mommy and daddy’s expense are finished! Continue your hate mongering, riot provoking acts you may be defending yourself in front of a federal judge on charges of sedition. You obviously are computer literate; take the time to look that p, won’t you?
The revolution WILL BE televised! Freedom from crooked, thieving cops and DAs. Bring it on tough guy!
bring it bitch
I surrender the floor to you. Ladies and Gentlemen; Elvis has left the building. 1 parting note* just a reminder. 30 second satellite, pinpoint accuracy. homeland security. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Hey Jim, can i have your autograph?
sorry observer, we’re forbidden from accepting rewards or status
Just big salaries and massive pensions. And get out of jail free cards.
now they got their cross hairs on currupt o.c. officals, & a bozo named jimbo
has been since 64 so what?
chalk one up for the good guys- 1 conquered 6!
no violence, no blood, just justice!
Where’s channel 7 when you need one?
Try the local donut shop
I think i just experienced anonymous identity theft
Nate is correct. Whitey is the devil. Blacks are the master race. White children are especially putrid creatures. Evil white babies will suffer. The future is for the dark-skins. Eat shit, white devils.
KUNTE KINTE VERY PROUD OF YOU
Moron
every1 knows JEWS are the master race!!!
black people are 2nd though,
ONLY THE MUSLIM ONES
Whitey is the devil? America is not perfect but I believe we have come a long way towards equality of all people, of all religions and all races. I respect your rite to have an opinion many have died to provide that rite to you, but making a statement that whitey is the devil in my opinion is a disgrace to who we are as a people.
These officers need to be brought to justice and when found guilty locked up for life in my opinion. There are many good police officers out there who abide by the law and respect people’s rites, and protect us lets not forget that either. These murder’s are a disgrace to all law enforcement organizations.
#721 by Proud American on July 31, 2011
Whitey is the devil? America is not perfect but I believe we have come a long way towards equality of all people, of all religions and all races.
Perhaps you haven’t been on the internet very long. The person who wrote what you respond to is not Black or even a woman (except perhaps in his sexual fantasies), but a racist anti-Semetic white non-Christian troll. Like sharks they are drawn here by the scent of blood in the water. And, they’d love nothing more than to turn this justice seeking board into a platform for their vile putrid hate mongering. Do not rise to their bait. They masturbate while reading replies to their hate instigating posts.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=19901622
This is the event for the Kelly Thomas memorial rally and protest. don’t know why it posted to my profile, but here you go!
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=102683796499101
@jim, no more from me. the ignorant comments are getting old… so guess u can deal with these idiots. trying to reason with ignorant people just goes in circles and gets no where…. will see who gets called when there is a problem…. so far all these complainers are still calling for officers, so go figure. guess they still can’t handle things on there own like big girls & boys.
@merijoe, u are the MOST ignorant person on this site. plz don’t ever call fpd for any reason, dealing with idiots like your self is really the negative part of this job, o but since u don’t trust police, i guess u won’t be calling….. good riddens to u!!!! btw, u have no idea who has told investigators anything. if u really think anyone would tell u names of anyone, u really are kidding urself….. o well ignornace is bliss…so be blissful…….
you look like a fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!
learn some fucking english
you sicken me with your 5th grade education!!!
& calling yourself an officer is deplorable.
there is no way you are an officer no way.
you are shame full
get the fuck out
learn how to type, Watching you butcher the english language is downright sickening!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for fucks sake.
THIS SITE HAS A BUILT IN SPELL CHECKER. but that aint stopin you is it?
smuck
@ AN officer well if i have trouble with any gang bangers please be sure to have Nazi goon squad Black Beast Terminator Kenton Hampton and his gang of thugs maybe the gang bangers will give them a beat down they highly deserve.what a moron you are still protecting your corrupt low life pit bull cop buddies.i say get ride of all you worthless goons and just bring in the sheriff dept
shame on you and your bottom feeder corrupt fpd!!
Fullerton citizen, the sheriffs dept. isn’t any better. Read recent the article in the OCWeekly regarding Chris Adrian Smith written by R Scott Moxley.
seriously!!!!! your actually using the word ignorant! your small mind and huge ego is what causes these problems… you have this preconceived notion about ignorant people.causing you to believe you are smarter or better than anyone else!!! here’s a clue… “you are the one who is ignorant” and police officers are going way too far and abusing there power. If nobody called you, you wouldn’t have a paycheck you retard!!!!
move to australia doesnt happen here.
just saying
@ lachlan if you did encounter such abuse what would be your legal response?
We need our good cops to be Heros now and to talk to the FBI. We could support that.
Meanwhile the members of FPD intimidating and snide postings on this Blog, is an indication we could get a Temp Restraining Order against the whole FPD to ensure Public Safety letting another Agency take over until such time the Investigation is complete? What was Corona 3 years and only due to Scott Moxley of OC Weekly.
It would give time to investigate the perceived Racketeering of the Management of the City.
Just asking?
after the Inves (Corona, 3 years)
We need our good cops to be Heros now and to talk to the FBI. We could support that.
Meanwhile the members of FPD intimidating and snide postings on this Blog, is an indication we could get a Temp Restraining Order against the whole FPD to ensure Public Safety letting another Agency take over until such time the Investigation is complete? What was Corona 3 years and only due to Scott Moxley of OC Weekly.
It would give time to investigate the perceived Racketeering of the Management of the City.
Just asking?
i seriously hope that when these pit-bull rough cops go down and in prison the image of Kelly THOMAS mangled and bloodied face implants in there brain and they have nightmares of the brutality they perpetrated on this poor soul each and every day and night of the rest of there pathetic life!
i doubt it. they were bragging about it to the rest of the herd?
The comments on here are shocking.
This is a terrible thing to happen to any man in this day and age, regardless of his background, social situation, mental state etc.
I hope justice is served on the police officers involved. Brutal murderers is all that they are.
thats why i dont even bother with the police anymore,cherries and berries = my cbr being fucking out
oc sheriff taking over fpd…….NO WAY….corona their leader was a thief… but look up LT.ERIN GIUDICE, she was harbormaster, she was arrested fro dui, twice the legal limit, involved in a traffic collison with her county owned/issued patrol car….. her punishment, she still kept her rank, same pay and was transferred to jail opeartions and currently on probation til 2012……her husband is also a LT withj the department….. not to bad for a probationer….wonder how much county money we paid out to the victim she crashed into….and al waters…another deputy that has been convicted….so ocsd is not really a better option…..
People of Fullerton: YOUR taxes pay to keep your local Gestapo up to their murderous tricks … this is not the only one… only the one that got caught… People of Fullerton, YOUR taxes were offered up to pay a $1million bribe to this man’s father to cover this up. Shame on you. Your ENTIRE PD should quit, and the DA’s office should be shut down. And that disgusting lawyer should be taken out and have the same thing done to him.
Fullerton=Andreas Brevik Sister City. The kind of mentality used by those 6 uniformed jack-booted Gestapo Nazi’s is the exact same mentality used by Andreas Brevik in Norway.
#739 by Anna on August 1, 2011
Fullerton=Andreas Brevik Sister City. The kind of mentality used by those 6 uniformed jack-booted Gestapo Nazi’s is the exact same mentality used by Andreas Brevik in Norway.
A thought provoking comment…
Fullerton Gestapo Council members:
* Mayor F. Richard Jones
* Mayor Pro Tem Don Bankhead
* Council Member Pat McKinley
* Council Member Sharon Quirk-Silva
* Council Member Bruce Whitaker
Oops my bad, here you go: CALL ALL YOUR NEO-NAZI GESTAPO FRIENDS AND TELL THEM WHERE THEY CAN SIGN UP NOW TO BECOME A UNIFORMED AMERCAN GESTAPO:
Police 714.738.6800
Mayor F. Richard Jones, M.D. 714.738.6311
Mayor Pro Tem Don Bankhead 714.738.6311
Council Member Pat McKinley 714.738.6311
Council Member Sharon Quirk-Silva 714.738.6311
Council Member Bruce Whitaker 714.738.6311
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THIS WAS A RACIAL ATTACK??? I HAD AN INCIDENT WITH AN OFFICER (RAMOS) LAST YEAR. WHEN HE RAN MY INFO, I HAD NO PRIOR ARREST. HE DEMANDED TO KNOW WHY MY FIRST HUSBAND (WHEN I WAS IN MY 20’S) AND MY CURRENT HUSBAND ARE CAUCASION WHEN MY MAIDEN NAME IS HISPANIC. HOW WAS THAT HIS BUSINESS?? AND HE MADE SEVERAL THREATS TO ME IF I DID NOT ANSWER . THIS IDIOT WAS VERY UNPROFFESIONAL AND TRIED BULLYING ME. I WOULDNT DOUBT THAT THIS MURDER WAS COMMITTED BY THIS TYPE OF OFFICER.!!! TOTAL DIRTBAGS!!!
Shame on those cops!!! when will they be charged with murder and held without bail???? shame on the onlookers who stood by and said NOTHING or did NOTHING! Just because they are cops? society has become spineless. If i witnessed this kind of public injustice i would do all i could to intervene. who gives a fuck if the cops arrest me or beat me too. This is such a tragic situation! in sooo many different ways! my heart breaks for the family members of this man! And for the onlookers who were more concerned about uploading to youtube….. karma will get you good!!!!!!
ok- so do we know why this man was being arrested? Was he raping and killing someone? Every person has their opinion but personally the phrase “no one deserves this” is untrue to me. Would you say a terrorist involved in 911 wouldn’t deserve this? I definitely do not condone what has happened here. This is awful. However, I do think we should form our opinions from clear cut information not strictly on a picture. Maybe he tried to stab one of the officers and they overreacted. Again, this is total over kill and I see no reason why it would have had to go this far, especially when it’s one vs. many, but what do you know? Every person on this page should do more than write an angry comment (most of it misspelled, by the way). I’d also like to add that YES-the assholes who have done this should burn in hell….it is the still good, still noble officers who should put them there. Most cops are dicks- I would be too if I did their job. But I disagree that every cop is evil and deserves to die. That is just as ignorant as saying this man didn’t deserve a single punch. He could have had children locked in his basement as sex slaves.
@ Brat sorry dud wayyyyyy to many eye witnesses to this murder and a lot of video also hiding this from the public and keeping the same dirty cops patrolling the streets of Fullerton.why was he being arrested because there were 6 pit-bull cops with bad attitudes towards the week and homeless by the way the dirty cops had no probable cause they did not observe him doing anything he just ran from them because most likely he was harnessed by them before.
WOW your last sentence proves the moron you are
“That is just as ignorant as saying this man didn’t deserve a single punch. He could have had children locked in his basement as sex slaves”
yea and you could be a child molester.what we do know by video and eye witness this man was Brutally executed
I have only seen one video of this incident and nothing is clear in it but the voices of the witnesses. The child molester comment was for dramatic effect. He obviously didn’t have sex slaves in his basement either, seeing as how he had NO BASEMENT. My point simply was that if you had seen this man on the news, beaten to death by cop-or anyone-after committing some awful crime you would have said he deserved it, right? Well how do you know, ESPECIALLY with a mental illness, that there weren’t crimes he had committed before this incident. They probably have “harnessed” him many times before. He probably caused problems then too, maybe the officers have previous history with him that hasn’t come out yet. I will say this AGAIN, as I did in my original post.
I definitely do not condone what has happened here. This is awful…the assholes who have done this should burn in hell…it is the STILL good, STILL noble officers who should put them there.
I UNDERSTAND cops have bad attitudes. I cringe when I see them in my rear-view mirror just like everyone else. I also cringe when they turn suddenly in front of me, don’t use their blinkers, speed, talk on their cell phones and beat homeless men to death without repercussion. They are the law. You want things changed? Do what so many other intelligent people on this blog have done, and take affirmative action. Sitting back and slinging words at me will do you no good. I know you are looking for a fight but you won’t find it here. I’m just another person with questions. I always have, and always will, try and see both sides to every story.
By the way, I’m not a child molester. I’m a lot of things, including a mother…but a molester is not one of them.
And I don’t appreciate you replying to my comment without any punctuation. That’s just rude.
Oh good. The FBI is launching a formal investigation. Maybe we will hear what reasoning the FPD can come up with for why this has happened. I feel that they will probably just make sure they hide this type of thing better next time. Look at how many other departments do…
LISTEN TO KFI-640 AM FOR MORE NEWS ON KELLY THOMAS
hate fucking cops
dirty cop terrorists with “police powers” murders a n innocent, unarmed, helpless U.S. citizen is this America or North korea.
armed , unionized, overtime-abusing ill-educated, ill-trained , psychiatric( anti-psychotics AKA) drug-abusing scum gangs in police uniforms neeed to be prosecuted, then EXECUTED for murder of a U.S. CITIZEN, human being !!! Period.
Where was the Dad and family all these years that he was homeless and in need of medication? If this guy had overdosed would they have cared? Family is looking forward to their payday, cash cow.
As far as these officers, you use force to subdue and restrain, not to beat and murder. There is no justification for the force used. Simply handcuffing him and taking him for a mental evaluation would have done the job.
This main cop involved, has a history of BAD NEWS, starting from the LAPD, with his double dipping salary, and his actions as a patrol officers.
Jon and Ken are exposing this guy. He should resign immediately, while the DA files charges.
KFI RADIO NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR THERE WORK AN SUPPORT ON THIS MURDER BY COP THANKS GUYS FOR ALL YOUR INPUT AND ALSO FOR AT LEAST ONE COUNSEL MEMBER SHAREN QUIRK SILVA FOR DEMANDING WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE PATHETIC CHIEF OF MARAUDING PIT-BULL POLICE THEY ARE A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM AND BADGE!!
hey dont compare these scum to pit bulls.
pit bulls are loving animals
AXJ ® FULLERTON has created a website on Facebook to get to the bottom of this and prosecute to the full extent of the Law.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/AXJ-Fullerton-California/228913213811057?sk=wall
Whatever happened to “protect and serve”? Perhaps these well-paid “officers” need to go to a gym to vent their frustration instead of beating to death a homeless man.
This is how cowardice expresses itself. Extreme fear leads to extreme brutality. In all likelihood, most Fullerton police officers wear their wives’ or mothers’ panties under their uniforms. They feel both aroused and ashamed, and this is the result.
Murder, pure and simple.
@ jeff, i do agree that the family does not deserve a penny. the dad who has law enforcemnt back round should just be lumped into the pool that people are throwing all officers into. the family has never stepped us and said how they have tried to help him. there has even been talk that the family has a restraining order on him…its pretty clear that when he was alive, the family did not give a crap about him……
as far as the officers, there is great concern that ALL of them have some type of mental illness and anger managemnt issues. so it would be a fair statement that they evaluated for their issues and find some other type of work. once all the evidence brought to fbi fo rthe investigation, then possibly they all may face some type of criminal punishment.
as for the money, the family should be paid anything. it would be great justice for kt to open a homeless shelter to help other homeless or peopl with mental illness and fpd & fpd union can pay for it and continue to pay operating costs.
just does not seem right, homless guy murdered, family receives millions…….thats not justice, thats a cash cow just wanting some free money.
hope the cop dad is better than that and he doesn’t accept any money, he simply make fpd & its people step up and help others and uses the funds to give back .
These cops should all be beaten, I got an idea, lets send them to the worst prison in CA and let the prisioners go to town on them for a while, just so they have a taste of what is going to happen next. Then fire the entire police force and City Council. Then put the OC sheriff in charge of Fullerton and replace the Council with a couple accountants, they don’t need more than that. If I was watching this, I would have immediately called those idiots off and if they didn’t stop, I would call cops from the Sheriff’s Dept to stop them. Then I would show the video to their familes so that they can see what daddy was doing.
america… land of the thief home of the slave…
Bastards I fucking hate them. Stupid pieces of trash. Poor guy I hope they all get fired and I hope Karma comes back & gets them all back.
well, at least our tax dollars don’t have to support him through court and jail…hehe
In all seriousness,
I doubt the cops knew he had a mental illness. Yes, the force may have been excessive; we only know half of the story. We can’t expect cops to be robots. Those who are reacting w/ verbal fire and saying ridiculous things are no different from the particular individuals who may have had to use excessive force against this man. The comments here are flamed by anger and emotion based on a picture and a biased report.
I agree with Brat’s comments. A lot of you are just overboard.
And calling someone a moron does what exactly? Brat has a more sensible opinion than what you have typed out there. We still need to support our cops.
That said, more training and awareness for our police is required. Events like these can improve their actions, so this situation is not all for nothing (except, again, saving tax dollars for harboring this homeless man through our legal system 🙂 ).
Thanks Dan, I appreciate the support. I agree with what you have said.
Everyone is real quick to pity and rally for him now that he is dead. I bet if he ever stood at any of these people’s car windows and begged for change or food at a stop light that they would have ignored him. They would have thought about how he needed to find a job and a shower. They would have justified to themselves about how it wasn’t their job to help him. Now they cry out about injustice.
I think these men need to be held accountable just like everyone else, but let’s be real here…
I definitely agree with Jeff’s comment:
“As far as these officers, you use force to subdue and restrain, not to beat and murder. There is no justification for the force used. Simply handcuffing him and taking him for a mental evaluation would have done the job.”
I believe this is one of the more sensible opinions. Have them resign, they have already wrecked their reputations and careers. I’m sure they will also see jail time.
I still want to hear the story straight from the Dept.
I`d like to encourage onlookers to shoot into such melees.
This is so brutal! As a citizen if I seek for help, how do I look first? A police man or the man that is assaulting me? Can the police department randomly runs psicological test to verify the officers are not taking for granted or over using the power that they have by abusing / killing others? These officers need to be prosecuted, they don’t even deserve to be working in an office, they obviously were not able to identify an individual with mental heath issues.
Thanks, Please do something
Yeah, there’s blood everywhere because he did a face plant, he’s frikken alchoholic and they bleed like goats because they have killed there livers and don’t clot anymore.
THIS IS A GOOD THING>
Thomas was tassered over 5 times, beaten until he bacame unconcious and then kneed dropped 3 times on his throat and beaten repeatedly with the gun butt while laying unconscious….and the police chief and the city council who had access to the tapes did not suspend these 6 cops until a month had passed? Coverup attempt will fail.
#739 Dan,
The guy died as a result of this force and you’re saying that it’s overboard?
Give me a break, a man lost his life. We aren’t to judge him for what he may have or may not have done.
The video speaks for itself, as do the witnesses.
He laid there motionless.
At what point do you stop and actually handcuff the guy?
This website, the people of Fullerton have a right to know what happened while the city tries their best to cover it up.
Remember the term “WE THE PEOPLE”
While I realize they didn’t know that he was mentally ill and he resisted arrest, the term “excessive force” just doesn’t cover what they did to Kelly. Statements given by the Mayor and evasiveness from the Mayor and City Council, PD Reps.- and their actions after Kelly was beaten make this situation all the more suspect. Why would they offer Kelly’s family over $1M before the investigation they initiated could be started? Why did the course of action change when the Bus video was released? I wonder what was put in the police report July 5th. Public Safety is a difficult and dangerous job. I am not disputing that at all. I am grateful that there are so many men & women willing to take those risks to keep us safe but, there have been so many incidents like this. What is missing in the pysch screening and training process? Are the cutbacks that cause longer shifts to PD putting us in danger from those who have taken oaths to protect? I am trying to understand why 6 officers could not find a way to contain Kelly, one small framed man, without being on his back to hold him down, repeatedly bashing his head with objects while others kicked him and tassed him multiple times within short duration of each other. Not at any point could any of the officers cuff him? They were able to hog tie him. What, in this particular case could possibly justify this type of brutality? The PD has made no statements whatsoever. The FBI are now involved only leading to more suspicion of an attempted cover-up by the mayor and PD, in my opinion. I pray justice for Kelly can be given. Bless the eye-witnesses that immediately came forward, to the bus driver who had the quick thinking to know how to document the incident. You are to be commended and are heroes in your own right. Bless those who came forward to show their outrage and unwillingness to let the reason for Kelly’s death go unquestioned and unanswered for, for showing support to his family. Things will never change if you stay silent against cruelty and injustice. I pray for strength for Kelly’s family, that the out pour of support they are receiving helps them through their loss. There has been comments made here that say the family should not receive money. I agree but the statements from Rob Thomas, Kelly’s father, is that he wishes to donate the money to a mental health and or homeless facility/home. I think that would be a good way to honor Kelly.
Well, the OC will not be receiving a penny of my vacation money EVER! We live in Florida and have always wanted to take a family vacation out to Cal. the OC area was of interest to us, however I will never take my family to an area where I have to worry about them being the victim of a fatal attack by none other than the local police department!!!!!
If u truly want to hit the county commission where it hurts, cut into their tourism dollars! Boycott Fullerton and OC, never step a foot in their county or spend as much as a penny with them. I can promise u that they will clean up that bunch of murderous thugs they call police officers quicker than u can spell bankrupt budget!
OR… they will find a way to force residents to make up the lost revenue. Residents who are already hurt by this and the recession. They will make more cutbacks, and there will be more homeless on the streets for them to harass.
Not trying to be rude, just don’t agree with that one.
Didn’t Florida have that Casey Anthony case……..apparently you can’t take your family anywhere these days…
Whilst this is a terrible crime and the police officers that have done this to this man deserve jail time, I don’t understand why if the father loved his son why he didn’t take him in when he found out his son had a mental illness.
I believe that if you love your child, dispite their age, you should be willing to whatever nessarary to keep them safe and cared for, e.g not on the streets.
His father tried to take him in. The family supported him and gave him a place to stay. Kelly chose to live on the street. Kelly had a lot of love and support from his family.
Please check out the web site joeypinasco.com
See what CHP Michael Walling and Steve Coffman are capible of. And DA in Stockton covers up for them. Joey was never in any kind of trouble. CHP coverup! Eight bullets to the head! Look at the overtime they made the night they killed Joey. Protect and serve! It could be your son next!
30 or 40 years ago a guy like Kelly Thomas would have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution for his own and society’s protection. Now I understand from whom the mentally ill were being protected: Law enforcement!
These officers who did this are a disgrace and rank down there with the lowliest of criminals.
Only one problem there dude.
Shit talk: Legal
Battery: Illegal
I am aware that the above is not written in crayon and you may have some trouble comprehending, but it’s all we have available…sorry.
Well Dan, it appears that you were harbored through the education system when clearly that taxpayer money could’ve been better invested.
See what I did there? Stay classy Dan.
the cops that beat kelly Thomas need to be criminally prosecuted and put in jail. How come they beat a 135 lb guy and didnt just cuff him like the witnesses said they could have done at any time. My heart goes out to his dad, I will pray that justice comes to those police and they need to let someone take their built up aggression on them. The fullerton police cheif sucks too and so does the mayor. I think the cops are way out of hand these days and someone needs to police them since they cant police themselves. the whole justice system sucks. Im proud to live in america except when it comes to cops and govt officials doing shit like this. the mayor and the cheif should go to jail too for not doing anything about it. My
tuff guys – that is I guess what tbhey wanted people to think as they murdered a “innocent until proven guilty” person that they are paid to contain…… and wait for the system to judge themmmmm… tuff guys!!!….. I hope they all get 20 years. imagine if us firemen started the fires and then put them out???????
Last time I checked you commit murder you go to jail without bond…you dont get paid..and you sure as hell you dont get to sit at home and watch TV…Police officers swear to uphold the LAW…where was the LAW for this poor man! Oh wait…The men or women who were there racing to the scene in police cars to detain one..single…homeless man …Police officers who are supposed to see the difference and know when to and when not to use force…The beating this man received was beyond the call of duty …this man’s rights were stripped from him…seemed he didnt have a gun…seemed he wasnt killing anyone…seemed he wasnt being lude with a child…but seems all these reasons get a more civil treatment than this poor homeless no food possibly drinking sitting on a bench man….Congratulations Fullerton law enforcement for other officers that were not there and do their job daily ..you select few have made being an officer at all a crime .
This type of conduct by police happens to people of color all the time. Sad thing is, there are a lot of good cops. That doesn’t mean the good ones play pattycake with with, they’re all business but also professional. It’s the hoodlums in uniform that are the problem. For hoodlums their badge is a license to commit assault without fear of consequences. Unfortunately, the attitude is due to a blue buddy system where you don’t rat on a fellow officer and the department’s attitude they must protect their own. The end result is hoodlums correctly conclude they can get away with almost anything. Believe it or not, police departments seek more power to shield them from such behaviors. They want to ban video which often is the only proof you have of their behavior: http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/videotaping-cops-arrest/story?id=11179076
and your age and infirmity doesn’t make any difference either: http://thekatycapsule.com/wordpress/police-officer-throws-84-year-old-woman-to-the-ground/
or; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra3tj8I7uNQ&NR=1
even if you’re a mother with a child in a stroller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkioDqJBERY
In a nutshell more and more police view themselves as not being accountable to anybody.
Each one of those officers should be charged for murder. If the police force there or anywhere else cannot teach the basic fundamentals of grappling to control a person and get them on the ground in a proper manner we do not even need them. All cops are is punks with a badge that got beat up in high school. They have no life and think they are the baddest guys on the planet because they have a gun and THINK they have all the authority.
These police thugs or gang members must be charged with murder of Thomas. I feel sorry for the poor guy calling for help even from his dad and God but these inhuman animals in police uniform murdered him senselessly.
They must be brought to justice now to avoid riot and innocent killings by these thugs in “police uniform”.
crying or begging is gas on a fire to bullies. thats how i know they ENJOYED this. dickless jay bragged about it so we know it was fun for him.
“All cops are is punks with a badge that got beat up in high school. They have no life and think they are the baddest guys on the planet because they have a gun”…. its very uneducated to make such a broad assumption of all LEOs in this country. I am a female, not a punk, and I never got beat up in high school. I actually do have a life, and a very good job that I appreciate every day. It is unfortunate that there are a slim few that take their authority too far and they will have to answer for their actions. But I can assure you, I, and hundreds of thousands of other LEOs out there lay our lives on the line to protect people like you every day we wake up…we get yelled at, cursed at, spit at, hit, and so on, yet still carry on in a professional manner. Everyone, no matter their career or status shall be held responsible for their actions, and if they are deemed guilty, then they shall pay the consequence. Please don’t stereo-type all of us.
MY POINT EXACTLY. Two thumbs up. Only the people there can say what really happened.
Can I ask seriously why officers get to turn without signaling intent though??
except nothing was stolen. ooops feel stupid yet
I’m afraid it’s not a slim few LEOS but an increasing number of them who are just badged hoodlums. In fairness, I also believe the underlying problem is the pool of candidates police departments are forced to select from.
In this day and age, youngsters are raised on increasingly violet video games, exposed to violent focused media of various kinds, and parents don’t parent effectively as in ages past. Often parents behave as spoiled brats themselves or can’t be trusted to properly discipline their own kids, so what do you expect their kids to act like. Finally, too often young bullies and hooligans are not made truly accountable for their behavior. Then we’re surprised they commit crimes they do?
In my time if I went down the street and ended up, oh say, using a cuss word. An adult hearing me would order me to sit on their porch while they called my mom or dad. And by golly I better not talk back at them or refuse to obey. That would only add more punishment when my parents got hold of me. I understood two things.
1. If my mom or dad said, send him home. It meant I was going to get a stern talking to to be sure I understood why I was wrong and what would happen if repeated. However, if this was a repeat infraction, I’d be reminded what was said would happen if I did it again, and it happened.
2. If my parents said, “Tell him I’m coming to get him.” I knew I’d be escorted home by said parent and seriously wishing I didn’t have a rear end cause I knew what was coming.
This time out hogwash has resulted in disrespect for authority all around. Benjamin Spock said he regretted his influence on changing child discipline which led to the rebellious and destructive behavior we see in our young people today.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/886589/child_discipline_and_parenting_philosophy.html?cat=25
Back to the point, police departments are stuck with a social pool with a high percentage of pre-trained cruelty bent selections. Trying to weed all such candidates out would likely result in undermanned police departments. Proof again is the large and increasing number of cruel acts by officers when they are uncalled for and the shark-like feeding frenzy attacks on citizens we see more and more of. Including what is now an increased focus on abusing female citizens.
Jason, you have made some VERY valid points. That was my question in an earlier post. What was missed in the psych evals and training? I do not believe there is training for dealing with situations where a mentally ill person is involved.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the lack of structure in the home. Respect, consideration and discipline are greatly lacking in the youths these days. There is such a sense of entitlement. I work at an International graduate school. It isn’t just in America. My brother and I could be stopped in our tracks by a raised eyebrow. TV used to be a privilege and today, it’s the babysitter and for most it is the only activity that they take part in. Parents are not as selective about what content children are exposed to now. They have become desensitized to the consequences and reality of violent behavior. That is an entirely different conversation there.
I don’t live in Fullerton but, I do live in California. I know that the FBI are now involved. Can we maybe start a letter writing campaign to ask for justice for Kelly and ask that the officers involved be dismissed with no severance pay or unemployment pay?
I am sure there will be posts making comments about the cops being due their day in court and a fair trial but, not one of the cops involved nor any representative of the police department has even made an attempted gesture of any kind to Kelly’s family for the loss of his life other than the offer of money to not press charges. I am not in any way condoning their actions at all, but only saying things happen in a moment. An adrenaline rush in a moment that gets out of control can lead to tragic events. It in know way makes it right but it happens. There has been no remorse shown for the loss of a human life. It has been almost a month. It seems arrogant to me. Even if they feel they were in the right being so “excessively forceful”, ( I feel that is complete BS in this case to use that term, btw. This was beyond excessive.) can they not be human enough to feel something for the loss of Kelly’s life because of their actions? They are stacking the deck against themselves.
Hi anonymousfemale. Now you know how a sober driver at a DUI checkpoint feels.
Not nice when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?
WOW #764 you completely missed my point. I see most of you have a horrible opinion of police, which will never change. All I know is who I am and what I stand for, both on the job and off. Happy debating. Im done here.
“one more thing”
Pure emo.
one more thing… and i hope you are not possibly comparing how we LEOs feel when we are faced with an out-of-control person lets say, at a domestic, that is highly drunk, violent and has already hurt someone else in their home, who is now turning violent towards the police that arrive to help the poor soul that called us in the first place…with how a sober driver feels at a check point? Im not sure im understanding how those shoes compare?
This whole debacle is rather disgusting. We, as a whole, are supposed to be able to trust that law enforcement officers will do what is right. We are supposed to trust them with the safety of not only ourselves, but that of our families as well. This incident proves that that is not always the case. What they did was monstrous, and obviously not the works of someone worthy of carrying a badge. And quite frankly, they should count themselves lucky that it was not MY son that they killed in such a brutal and heartless manner.
But rest assured, they will get what they deserve, whether it be by the justice system or not. My religion believes in the Rule of Three – Whatever you send out, comes back to you threefold – be it positive or negative. If you send out negative, you will receive negative, three times over. I have seen this in action, so I know it to be true. They will be punished, one way or another,
female! the point completely missed you. it was about being innocent and being scrutinized when you havent done anything wrong i.e. dui checkpoint.
on your ad hominem…the flip side of your example would be 6 armed thugs beating you so hard you suffer broken limbs,a crushed sternum,multiple skull fractures,broken teeth, collapsed lung, and a myriad of other blunt trauma injuries. so may in fact that the coroner cannot pin down just one cause of death. thugs who btw have the autority of the state behind them. i ca also tell you from the videos i saw that if those cops werent armed police officers they would have gotten a beating as bad as kelleys for what thy did to that poor guy
by the crowd that was assembled and PLEADING for these guys to stop. men and women i must say shared no demographic similarities to the victim. people were speaking to the bus driver in broken english about how horrified they were over the thuggery they witnessed. one lady has a heavy spanish accent and as we all know police south of the border are not very customer service oriented. the point is even someone who came from a place known for corrupt police was astonished at the fdp’s savagery
I can’t help but feel if someone had actually called them out-Really called them out-stood up and said “stop- he is on the ground, leave him be”…Kelly may still be here. Of course they were terrified. I’m not being hypocritical, I would have been one to step forward if I saw this happening-cops or not. I don’t know that I would have stepped in the middle of them- I don’t bring 120 lbs and a loud mouth to a gun fight…but the crowd could have seriously done more. It was very commendable that they documented what they did and testified to what they saw, but if you are a witness to a murder and don’t stop it, isn’t that accessory?? I’m just wondering…
Let me really clarify about they pleading part, because I heard them ask to stop, but they were weak attempts. There was a crowd there. Power in numbers. They could have done anything, even a simple chant to bring those men back to reality. None of the onlookers would have been punished for that, right? So why not.
If someone had called the cops out, I will tell you exactly what would happen. And my response is based on being an eyewitness such incidents. You would usually, depending on various factors been warned to not interfere with an arrest. Very forcefully. If you persisted, you would cuffed, hauled to incarceration and charged with interfering with an office or an arrest. Under certain circumstances depending on demographics you’d be beaten or shot.
Even if you’re a paramedic transported patients you can find yourself stopped and abused if you dare to try to explain you need to get your patient to the hospital. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU
F#@k!ng piece-of-sh!t cowards! I would love to dole out the justice, personally: let each of them experience exactly what they put Kelly Thomas through. I’d settle for them to do life in the general prison population of the toughest prison in California, though (NO solitary). Maybe then the closest thing to justice would be served up to them, though nothing will give Mr. Thomas his life back — or fill the voids in the lives of those who love him. My heart goes out to them.
This isn’t the first time the cops have killed an innocent man. Only cops get away with murder cause they have a whole system of support from higher ups.
So if you resist arrest it gives the cops the right to beat the crap out of you. And even if you don’t resist arrest, and they beat the crap out of you anyway, they are going to say you resisted arrest so they had the right to beat you to death. Even when you are crying out to your Father in Heaven to save you.
So the police get away with murder on Earth but they have to answer to God later on. For those responsible for this horrible beating I plead to our Father in Heaven that forgiveness or a mercifull death will not granted. And they receive the Pit for eternity in their final Day of Judgment. And lets make it a dark deep Pit full of Creators that crawl on their bellies. That’s not harsh, remember they didn’t just kill a man, they beat him to a pulp. A picture tells a thousand hits. Amen
Officer at Center of Fullerton Beating Controversy Identified-
JAY CICINELLI
w.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/officer-at-center-of-fullerton-beating-controversy-identified-20110802#ixzz1U1ECUUCL
the officersare supposed to uphold the laws of this nation but its clear that there are some who overstep there bounds and use stupidity instead of the intelligence they were given and for an officer to use a knee drop to the facial area is a malicious act and should be construed as attempted murder at that point he is clearley unfit for duty all officers in question should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law and the officer who knee dropped should be held for murder this is the best we as a government have to offer for our protection its pathetic the worst part of all this is my uncle god rest his soul was a police officer in Pa. and i am thouroughly disgusted with this and to think it took 5 officers to do this is inane
A life for a life. If you kill for no reason you should be killed, none of this jail time garbage!
For those of you who think they had every right to do this, you’re going to hell. I hope these cops get tortured for what they did. I hope they all burn and get fried. They deserve to be beaten, left to rot on the side of the road, and just when they think they will get the peace of dying… Rescue them, heal them, and DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN 100 TIMES WORSE. I am sick of law enforcement taking advantage of people on the streets. This is Nasty and disgusting. Paperburn you can burn in hell too. You’re an asshole and you need to be shot with them. IN the head. For everyone else sickened, hurt, and down right appauled by this, PLEASE do something, anything to stop this violence and behavior. My prayers, and heartfelt wishes go out to his family and him. I am sorry this had to happen FOR NO REASON. Someone please sniper these fucks.
I agree there needs to be justice. However, did you just hear the vomit that came out of your mouth? Especially where you decided that anyone with a difference of opinion is “going to hell”…and then condemned the cops to a bloody, horrible death…
What you just said is ‘Nasty and disgusting’. Not everyone is going to agree with you. It’s that very mentality that caused this whole situation. Be angry. Take your OWN advice and take steps toward keeping this from happening again. Gruesome, wishful thinking and condemning everyone YOU don’t think is right isn’t going to help honor the deceased. I sure hope GOD forgives YOU for deciding all on your own who is allowed in heaven, and who will spend an eternity in hell. I sure hope you’ve never made a mistake in your life to get by that one. We can be appalled by this and not fuel the hatred. We don’t even have all the facts yet.
bla bla your “God” let this happen right? but he’ll take care of it later. sounds more like Fullerton City Council
people this is simply terrible! nobody deserves this, let ‘s unite to fight this, we should get this FPD CORRECTED before another human being ends up like this
Relax populace! Neither Kelly Thomas nor the police are evil in this case. The police reacted with excessive force because they are not trained nor have procedures for dealing with homeless, mentally ill/possibly drugged civilians. It will take time to make a determination as to whether the police are truly guilty of a crime. Nevertheless this was a tragedy. It shouldn’t have happened but this does not mean that police are gangsters out to brutalize the poulace. What the populace must do is not judge prematurely but pressure its government for better policies so that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again.
VoiceOfReason,
I think you need to go to the top of this page and take a good look at Kelly’s face again. Then tell us all again what you can’t see. What I see is that someone went into a hitting frenzy on this homeless man. Even if it was just one cop that went bizerk the other five allowed it. That makes them accomplishes. Then the police department says he was resisting arrest, that makes the P. Dept responsible.
Let the court system render out all the truth.
Uhh, he wasn’t drugged, and was begging for his life. The police weren’t evil? Bullshit.
I should not have said the police aren’t evil…that has yet to be determined. What I can say though is that it is too early to say if evil has taken place.
It’s really all we can do. This talk of burning these men and dragging them through hell won’t do any good. I agree and disagree. We don’t have the facts. We weren’t there–any of us. However, I see no reason why Kelly would have had to have gone through so much abuse to get him to acquiesce. Definitely some misuse of power. I’m very interested in the PD side of the story…
Everyone is to blame here. Read the report. Kelly was a known schizophrenic but decided to live life as a homeless man? Great family support. No one has the intelligence to put themselves in anyone else’s shoes. For example, think about the people who got their stuff stolen out of their car? I’m sure they don’t want any justice at all.
Think about the officers who have to work on the streets of Fullerton and have seen on average 5 DUIs a night from Thur-Sat! You think the cops are going to patrol downtown Fullerton with smiles on their faces? Anyone who knows downtown Fullerton knows it can get hectic at any second. The cops of Fullerton have done an excellent job in keeping downtown safe from crazy ass people who come to party in Fullerton.
Am I saying the cops were right for beating the man down? Absolutely not. However, psychology tells us that human beings act upon one anothers actions. The cops were following the group and thought they were doing their job.
People. Use common sense and understand that it is not just cops abusing power. It is a string of other events that lead to this. Maybe if Kelly wasnt trying to rob cars or his family gave him more support this wouldnt have happened. Maybe if the cops wouldnt have used excessive force this wouldnt have happened.
People want an easy answer and dont try and view the many different possibilities.
Anon, maybe if the cops are too stressed out to perform their jobs in a professional manner they should take a vacation ot move on to another vocation. Maybe police work is not for them any more. Maybe they were timebombs just looking for a fuse. Whatever the situation, the cops are not the victims here and no one is going to stand for some veiled attempt to claim some moral high groun in this case.
They killed an unarmed man because he didnt do what he was told. That is murder even for police officers.
@ 790 & 789 no report of any theft from the police report nothing was found in kellys back pack that belonged to any one but kelly.the cops do an excellent job with offenders such as speeders and there “speed traps”and dui issues that does not condone beating down a 130lb mentally ill man it’s not like they never dealt with him before.” The cops were following the group and thought they were doing their job” exactly how any animal devours it’s prey it is the pit bull mentality cops are suppose to be in control of there faculty’s at all times if they can’t maintain find another job. i think the only way to fix this problem with over zealous police personal and having a higher standard of officers is to higher collage graduates or equivalent degrees.no more high school bully’s.make becoming a policemen a respected job.we as a people need police that is a given but when i call for help i expect to be treated with respect and i will return the respect.i personally have been stopped by Fullerton’s finest they have always been cordial now i wonder if i was just lucky or just did not look confrontational? the most unsettling part of this story is officer J.C. was a decorated marine what could have happened to him to make him so angry at such a defenseless man.was it the soldier mentality. He has allot to think about on his vacation.officer Hampton is another piece of work he always seems to think he can just rip cell phones out of bystanders hands he should also be held accountable and Kelly Thomas’s blood will never wash out of his uniform Hampton your life will never be the same you could have stopped j.c BUT CHOSE TO WALK AWAY. PRESEDENT Abraham Lincoln in one of his speeches said “GIVE A MAN ABSOLUTE POWER AND YOU WILL SEE HIS TRUE CHARACTER!! i guess the shoe fits doesn’t it.
didnt rob shit liar. so Kelly is to blame for being schizo.. got it and its all ok cause they all did it. got it wish my mom had accepted that last one for an excuse
It is obvious that that the victim was ruthlessly beaten for retribution because a cop was injured trying to subdue him. It is also unlikely that any cop will be convicted of a serious crime in state court.
If anyone is convicted of anything, it will be involuntary manslaughter or some other lame charge, they will be sentenced to a couple of years in a country club environment. If a common citizen was to be so arrogant as to push a cop, they’d be beaten and would still be in jail or in a hospital, waiting to go to trial where they’d get real time in a harsh prison.
The complacency of Americans make us sheep to be slaughtered. I can’t understand how most people can even look at themselves in the mirror. Just pretend that it never happened and live your fantasy in the hope that they won’t choose to come after you or someone that you love or care about.
This will take years to go through court and no one will do any serious time. More people will be murdered while the public looks the other direction. Are you proud to be an American?
Popoff, the owner of slidebar, is quoted on Fullerton stories that Kelly Thomas scared and intimidated his employees and customers. I work downtown and NEVER saw him agitated or be unruly. I wonder if the Slidebar didn’t treat Kelly Thomas like scum and he reacted accordingly
Hey POPOFF i hope you sleep well your tax dollars took care of your problem nice going!! i hope his battered face implants in your memory for ever maybe next time a homeless person bother’s you or your money guests be sure to call the goon squad again.
New Orleans, Houston, Fullerton, etc……It goes on and on. Why are cops not subject to the same laws as everyone else? Why do they get civil rights violations for murdering someone? It’s insane that we as people of this country allow such things. What if that was your son or daughter? LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THIS MAN! No person deserves this treatment. All the police involved should be up on murder charges. It would not surprise me if law enforcement around the country started being targeted and murdered. You can only push people so far and then they snap, and cops are pushing way too hard. There is way too much unjustified violence from law enforcement.
Here are the numbers…
http://www.ucimc.org/content/national-police-misconduct-statistics-released
After Crunching the Numbers:
.08% (1 in 116) officers are cited for misconduct
13% of those are sex offenses/ sex related
800,000 estimated police officers in the US (thats one per RSO!)
Now let’s crunch the numbers…
that makes ~ 6,873 instances of officer misconduct of which 13% are sex related offenses giving us a grand (estimated) total of…. 893 sex offenses committed by police officers during a six month period from April to Sept 2009 or nearly 18 per state!
that makes about 1.5% of all sex offenses are committed by police (893/63000)
Police officers make up 0.3% of the population in the US (800,000/311,745,000)
Now, according to the AP, only 500 teachers were arrested as sex offenders out of 3.5 million teachers, which makes .014% of teachers committed sex offenses or 0.7% of sex offenses were committed by teachers. Police commit sex offenses at twice the rate as teachers.
Check the site, the numbers for brutality are FAR worse…
After 25 years of law enforcement, this type of incident isn’t unfamiliar too unfamiliar to me. Controlling adrenaline is a problem for many officers, usually with officers that have untreated or ignored mental health concerns of their own. There is a formal training program that originated in Memphis, TN back in the 80’s. It teaches officers about mental illness and how to deescalate an individual when they are having a mental health crisis. It’s called Crisis Intervention Team (CIT). My question, does Fullerton PD have CIT? If not, this will cost the community dearly because of the FPD’s “deliberate indifference” . The police mentality of “us VS them” is horrific and needs to change. Kelly Thomas was the son of a retired cop! As far as I’m concerned, they killed one of our own!!
That’s just the problem: ‘One of our OWN’
Gang/herd mentality never seems to go away.
OMG UR WORDS AND HONESTY ABOUT THIS SITUATION GAVE ME CHILLS BECAUSE IT IS SO TRUE ITS EVERYWHERE AND IT NEEDS TO STOP!
TELL THESE GUYS WHAT YOU THINK!!!
Chief of Police
Michael Sellers
msellers@fullertonpd.org
Sergeant, Police Public Information
Andrew Goodrich
agoodrich@fullertonpd.org
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-500202_162-20087973.html?assetTypeId=30&blogId=&tag=contentBody;commentWrapper#ixzz1U4N0Wbt2
This was horrible I feel sorrow for this mans family these cops are sick individuals who hires monsters to prey on the weak and sick!
….these cops are really fucked up in their head… they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law…
I know that not all cops are like this, but this is clearly an act of violence..
They need to be punished and prosecuted.
shame, Shame , Shame on Fullerton PD
Society needs a strong police presence, but NOT rampant goon squads. The audio and visual here is absolutely deplorable, not by quality, but by content. I firmly believe that so called general population” in prison would be the best place for the perpetrators; However, I will not hold hold my breath for any convictions, because I am sure this will be whitewashed and “disappeared”….their attorney is doing the strut already….this situatin is absolutely disgusting…
My sincere sympathies to the victims family.
I guess you all saw a different video then what I did because I saw no beating of anyone. All I heard was a man screaming from being tased. And the guy taking the video was more interested getting it put on youtube then anything else.
And let me ask this would anyone being saying the same thing had this guy freaked out and hurt someone else? Probiably not but its easy to blame the police for everything. Where was his father to make sure he was taking his meds or is his concern only after the fact?
ralphie!! where else i he going to share the video? give it to the cops and have them publish it? are you saying if the police had given the video to ktla rather than some latino kid talking about you tube we would all be lining up to blow these murderers rather than calling for their heads?
also are you saying kelly thomas’ face looked like that from a taser?
I have nothing to do with this case besides being an American citizen, That’s enough. This should not happen to anyone!!! You “policemen” need to be prosecuted. COWARDS!!!
No one deserves to be beaten to death for burglarizing cars. But the owners of the cars don’t deserve to be stolen from either. What should law enforcement officers do when criminals are violent and won’t be restrained? None of the videos show what led up to the beating. IMO, police tend to degenerate to the criminal element in their local societies. The root problem therefore is the moral vacancy in many of America’s urban areas, not those men and women who commit their lives to protect law abiding citizens.
There is no proof that he was burglarizing cars or anything else. There were reports of car burglaries in the area and he was suspected of it because he was there…turns out he was NOT the one breaking in cars.
Nobody trust Fullerton City Councils and Police Dept. and Orange County District Attorney. Do not waste your time.
Express your concern and time to stand up
White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/
U.S Dept. of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/
CA Governor Ed Brown: http://gov.ca.gov/
like you can trust any of them-meh.
hey fullerton from #817
you wouldnt mind if i used your idea to post the above links onto as many social and networking sites as a can with links to the youtube video links. maybe everyone should include the above links and go and share this with all our friends
Express your concern and time to stand up
White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/
U.S Dept. of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/
CA Governor Ed Brown: http://gov.ca.gov/
cool it works. simple things satisfy simple men
This beating and murder of a homeless man that was not doing anything wrong is one of the worst cases of police brutality that I have ever seen on the news or internet. I think that all police officers involved should be charged with murder, get convicted and spend the rest of their lives in prison.
Has any one mentioned the fact that the entire incident, start to finish, was recorded on the city’s street surveillance camera?? The FBI has said they will not release the video until their investigation is over… That may be some very damning evidence.
Here is the Lawyer for the 6 muders
http://www.shslaborlaw.com/
http://www.shslaborlaw.com/michael_schwartz
What would have happened if someone did that to a amimal like a dog I wonder if the punishment would be.I keep looking out of my window thinking that there should be people demonstrating about what’s going on in this country. It dosen’t metter if you are a Rep. or a Dem. We all went the same thing.And we all know what that is
shane,shame on police brutality, this was murder,period.
For any of the Officers involved in this beating, and for those Officers who were aware and did nothing, you are no longer a human being but an animal. The Police Chief for Fullerton should, as well as the Watch Commander on duty should have been arrested and jailed immediately.
This sickens me.
This is just sicking, First off I want to say the people that are standing up for this man are awesome. The six cops that beat him to death and the chief need to have their all be held accountable, Life in prison is to good for every one of them. Hey chief, if you truly want people to believe you don’t expect your officers to act like this, Show some emotion, Talk to the mans family. But who am I kidding. That would mean that you have normal human emotions and feelings. I forgot that cops are trained out of that. Cops now days only have that lets beat them down attitude !! Well I for one am proud of the people calling for justice for this man.
This is just beyond sickening. There is no justification whatsoever for what these cops did, they need to all be removed from the force IMMEDIATELY and put on trial for abuse of human rights. This man, mentally ill, and homeless, did not deserve this. I hope his dad sues the pants off of the entire department and starts a fund to prevent abuse like this from happening in the future. Maybe if a bunch of other officers have to lose their jobs or get pay cuts they will think about it a little harder before they do something like this.
To bad California got rid of the GAS CHAMBER because I would be putting some of these rogue cops in it. Words can’t describe what I could do to them
Once again, someone is DEAD at the hands of the police. Such a HORRIBLE event and what makes it worse is this kind of thing has happened way too many times. Sometimes the police were charged, even found guilty, but their punishment was not much in relation to the severity of their crime. So now the FBI is involved. Will that really change anything? Will the perps in this case ultimately get a “slap on the wrist”? Again? Will justice ever be served? What is the appropriate way to handle this?
ITS MESSED UP WHAT THESE POLICE OFFICERS DID ITS CLEAR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF HORRIBLE PAST OR HAVE NO CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES SO THEY MAKE THE CHOICE TO BECOME POLICE OFFICERS BUT ITS NOT TO PROTECT N TO SERVE US BECUZ LOOK AT WUT THEY DO TO INNOCENT PPL N WHO KNOWS WUT MORE THEY HAVE DONE THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IF THEY COULD BEAT SOMEONE TO DEATH WITH NO REMORSE BUT WHOS TO SAY NETHING RIGHT? ITS HORRIBLE SEEING OR EVEN LISTENING TO HIM SCREAM OUT TO HIS DAD…. THESE POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO MAN UP ACCEPT THAT THEY GOT CAUGHT AND SUFFER THE CONSIQUENCES THEY DESERVE.. BUT U KNOW HOW THAT GOES I WOULDNT BE SUPRISED IF THEY RECEIVE A AWARD OR SOME TYPE OF RAISE FOR THEIR BRAVERY ON MURDERING A HOMELESS GUY!!! WOW I WONDER IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN? KARMA!
better see some shit get torn up shiite in Fullerton tonite, starting with the sta. disgusting and revolting, do nothing as usual fullerton. ashamed im from the same country as these aholes
REMOVED?? THEY ARE ON VACATION WITH PAY
ALL 3000 PEOPLE…. NEED TO GO DOWN TO THE STA AND RING THE PHONE EVERY PHONE UNTIL THERE GOONIE MINDS EXPLODE LET IT BE A LESSON TO ALL COPS IN AMERICA
ALL 3000 PEOPLE…. NEED TO GO DOWN TO THE STA AND RING THE PHONE EVERY PHONE UNTIL THERE GOONIE MINDS EXPLODE LET IT BE A LESSON TO ALL COPS IN AMERICA
ALSO BURN UP THE LAWYERS PHONE UNTIL THEY CANT GET A CALL IN
I LISTEN TO COP SCANNER AND WHEN SOMEONE CALLS ON THE PHONE THEY GO IN WITH GUNS BLAZING AT THE MISINFO FROM THE DISPATCHER INSTEAD OF LOOKING TO SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING DOWN. THEY ENJOY THIS STUFF AND AFTER THE LAWYERS PROTECT THEM AND NICE PAYOUT OF YOUR MONEY. THEY WILL BE BACK ON THE JOB. AND WHERE IS YOUR FBI IN ALL THIS WITH THE INFO YOU THINK THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW THE INVESTIGATIONS IS GOING? THESE GUYS ARE THUGS AND MURDERERS AND WE WILL SEE HOW FED UP FULLERTON IS WITH THIS IS.
Its bothering the hell out of me that that smarmy attorney Bruce Praet, says he never made an offer to Mr Thomas-bothers the shit out of me that no one in council seems to care about this or is trying to call his ass out on this obvious lie. He’s just as bad-covering and dirty. It bothers me that the fullerton city manager doesnt “know anything about it” nor does that bee-ach, Silva-and watch her, i dont trust her
Or you could always step up and throw on a Sam Brown? That’s too easy though to take some responsibility for your own neighborhoods eh. Easy to criticize people who’s departments are facing massive cuts while crime and criminals multiply like roaches. Be ready to welcome the 46,000 felons that will be released do to “overpopulation”. I got an Idea cut welfare all together and Medicaid and use that money for oh schools, teachers, firefighters and cops. Nope you’d rather cater to border runners, permanent welfare families and criminals. Good to know you’re priorities are pandering to liberal politicians instead of oh doing your jobs and representing the people.
Oh, we are taking responsibility for our neighborhoods, thats why these six murderes are no longer on patrol, now go play x box sonny, and leave the social reform to us.
Perhaps your not as stupid as you look sonny, maybe sam browns are what’s needed, and do away entirely with fpd. You are quite the advocate for reform after all, now run along…
Though it will be difficult at times to refrain from making these baton swallowers look stupid, I have a job to go to, and they, alas, do not. Well done FFFF! Time to go flip my burgers, perhaps you 6 can brush up on tossing a salad. Something tells me, your gonna…..
Looks like the Hitler squad is back in town and the city Council needs to pull there head out of there Ass! The people that live there you have the power so use it and stand up and force them to do something. Get a hold of P.O.S.T. They will take action. if you don’t do something next time it could be you or family member that treated that way.
Now is this coincidence or not? Our managers name is the same “Bob M.” and he “plays” cops on the weekends with Orange PD.
What’s wrong with this picture? In March a 42 yr. old fireman was beaten by two men at the Dodger Stadium parking lot. The men responsible were arrested within two days and are presently in jail. Six officers committed a vicious crime, Murder! TO SERVE & PROTECT….THEY DID NOT! Are they above the law? Is there no justice? A man is dead, they brutally beat & killed him with their hands & feet! Don’t they belong behind bars or does the badge give them the ok to kil? The City offered Mr Kelley $900,000 to settle. Would the officers then walk? Probably!
# 874-They were offered that settlement ONLY if they wouldn’t press charges against the city. Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.
Here is a hypothetical scenario I’d like to present to the Chief of Police:
I witness 6 civilians (or, to use a phrase that police are afraid of: ‘gangbangers’) beating a police officer brutally, the officer is on the ground, restrained, gushing blood and being tazered while screaming in pain, shouting for his father and screaming apologies, and they only cease when he stops..
Should I call the police? Jump in, or do nothing? Am I supposed to live with my conscience and ‘mind my own business’? If I jumped in, and if I wasn’t beat to death in the process, I’d probably get a commendation from the City for bravery..
What if it were 6 officers on one citizen? Should I ignore the brutality ‘since their cops’? How badly would I be beaten, and what would I be charged with (if I survived after displaying such contempt of cop! It was a human being on the ground, someones brother, uncle, and son, but it isn’t like he was a cop, so who cares) and should I stop the assailants and say “Excuse me, sorry to interrupt yr beatdown, but is that a man a police officer?” or should I just assume that he is just a crazed, homeless, p.o.s. who deserves it, seeing that he isn’t a cop?
Correct error, meant Mr. Thomas, sorry!
i said it once and i’ll say it a million times more ….. “FUCK THE POLICE” >:O!!!!!!!
There is so much mental illness on this site that it makes me wonder if our society has this much hate and fear within it then what is going to be the result for us? Do i fight this hate and fear with more hate and fear? It’s like fighting my shadow, and i end up with all the hate and fear because that’s where it began.
fpd sucks
Fuck the FPD
hate and fear? damn right-so get off your ass and start fighting back with whatever it is you have or just sit back and accept the tyranny of people who are give an “Immunity card” to murder, rape steal or do whatever they want by accepting a government job-Mental Illness? me? I speak the truth and Im not on any medication nor do I need it and yes, Im scared-shitless- and I hate what I have to deal with, but, you do what you have to do-especially if no one is listening
These people have a Nazi mentality, what choice do We have other than loudly fight back?
If you know where these murdering rouge cops live-BURN THEIR FUCKING HOUSES DOWN WITH THEM IN IT!!!
Thank God Im not an American citizen… The US government and the police is totally nuts.
I agree. The biggest problem (as ignorant and callous as this may sound considering where I’m saying it) isn’t police brutality, it’s police MENTALITY. It has long been an ‘us against them’ attitude. Ron Thomas said that they (the police) call it ‘contempt of cop’..
It should have stopped with Rodney King. There is no doubt that police officers (especially in a large city like L.A. or New York, etc,..) deal with a LOT of verbal abuse, insults, lawsuits etc, but that goes with the territory of being a cop in America! I’m not saying I personally disdain every officer, or the police force in general, because the problem isn’t as vague or as black and white (no pun intended) as THE police, or THE MAN or Us Against Them. I think that if Americans were half as petty, and hateful towards police as they are towards us, they would have more problems than protesters on their hands.
I don’t think it’s confrontation as much as it is alienation that is the problem between officers and civilians..They have their own gyms, bars, etc, and their attitude is that EVERY suspect is guilty until proven innocent, and I’m not being melodramatic..most of the ‘Yanks’ on here can attest to that! It isn’t merely a problem in Fullerton, Ca. they just unfortunately have the biggest problem, and evidently, the most brutal, blatant police @ the moment.
We, as civilians and Americans, do not have the attitude that every cop is bad, but when the overwhelming majority of them have an negative attitude towards you, you begin to notice a pattern. I know it is a high stress, dangerous job, and that it requires you (sometimes!) to be a hard@ss, but that is why they are expected to do that job. In this case particularly, but every day, if you asked, you could hear a cop lament about how it’s a ‘thankless job’, and they ‘risk their lives and get no respect’, but we aren’t so shallow or easily convinced..and there is NO excuse for abuse of any position. Ever. I am not an officer because I don’t want that kind of job, and I don’t disrespect those who do, but these are human beings who are put in a position, not to rule over us, or be the voice of reason for us, but to handle tricky situations, and if they aren’t psychologically equipped to do the job, well, the world still needs garbage men. That is why, if there is a rift, it is one of their own creation, so they’ll get no pity from me, especially in the light of recent events. To be judgmental of every cop because of this tragedy would be counter-productive and ignorant, but I hope this @ least will serve as a high water mark where Americans will say ‘We will not allow this!’ It should have happened in L.A with the King verdict in ’92 and the subsequent rioting, it should have happened in Cincinnati in ’01 when (another young man named) Thomas was killed. I am in NO WAY suggesting that the People should riot, and am not saying that violence solves anything, that it is simply the voice of the angry masses that have long been silenced, ignored and abused for too long. It shouldn’t be that things have to get so much progressively worse so that it takes a riot for politicians to open their eyes.
If the police in lesser matters could admit their fault, take their punishment and do their time (as we are expected to do) there would not be such distrust and disdain. It is a simple, sad case of miscommunication that breeds dissent to begin with, and if We, The People, were afforded the same respect we are essentially oppressed for NOT showing, the air would be clearer for all to breathe. I wouldn’t know where to begin researching, but I would like to hear a statistic on how many convictions there are on police brutality cases in the U.S per year..I’m willing to bet very few! The Blue Line is too strong and wide. (I am NOT anti-cop, they are allowed and afforded the same rights and protections we are, but…) You hear a lot on here about the police and they make it sound as if they are a unionized terror squad (though, in a sense they are, they have a mafia-like loyalty to their ‘brothers in blue’, even if they’re in the wrong, the blood of Mr. Thomas can attest to that!) but if they were, we should be so lucky, because, instead of thousands of different locations of corruption, brutality and terror, they would @ least have one base..it is simply DISorganized crime in that, whether it happen in L.A. in front of a camera, or a small village in the mountains in West Virginia somewhere, it is still the same outcome. Us Against Them. Or, more aptly, Them Against Us. We, the civilians, are not the militant ones, we are not allowed to beat a man to death in the street around a crowd of witnesses then cover it up, they p!ss and moan about their ‘thankless jobs’ while they are being protested against, but all we have are our voices to fight with, and you can’t argue logic with a gun.
2890 JACK GIVE THIS A READ FROM A PREVIOUS POSTER
http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
I’m an attorney in Orange County. My experience with the police is that they pretty much lie about everything. I rarely meet honest cops. When a client tells me “what happened” that resulted in their arrest, I always say, “Let’s wait and see what the police report says” because I know it is going to contain lies so that the officer can justify what he did. My husband quit watching cops when he started working with me because the lying made him sick to his stomach. He used to admire cops, and now they nauseate him.
I almost threw up when I saw what happened to this man. I as an American, am disgusted with how these cops were so inhumane. I don’t live in the area, & don’t know what things are like there, but for God’s sake! The cops work for _US_. Those bystanders should have stepped in and held those cops back. While at the same time ensuring that man got medical attention. One man or one woman might not be able to do much, but had 10 or 20 of those civilians done something just to move those cops away & blocked them from getting to him again, the situation could have been resolved much more reasonably.
Police officers are hired to protect us from each other & ourselves. Not to beat the shit out of us. This is the first sign of a tyranny in my opinion. This is no better then what has been going on over seas.
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These cops deserve the punishment for this carnage they caused.
@# 891 > remember detective Serpico he went after corrupt cops in NY city a true story it is a cancer to society.give this a look from a previous poster
http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
It is very sad that this great country has come to this. Our government city, state and federal has become so corrupt. We all know that the Fullerton Police Dept. will do anything to cover this all up like it never happened. Just look at what obama has covered up. Think about it !!
#892 read this and see if you think it applies from a previous poster
http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
Um…who? Who is implementing this social reform? You? I’d really like to know….
Remove the law enforcement officers certification of the cops that were involved. That way when the vigilantes beat them into wheelchairs and walkers for the rest of their lives, they won’t get charged with attacking police officers.
It isn’t enough to stop killer cops. This would not have happened if the terrorist murderers did not have approval from the very highest sources. Arrest the chief of police for murder in addition to the pigs who did this.
It is very sad but these things do happen unfortunately. Its not supposed to happen but evil is out there in the world and all of us are susceptible to it. Allegedly the police station wanted to come up with a settlement amount of $900,000. Really? Their idea of making the matter better is just by offering money? How about offering to rehabilitate the officers involved, change policy, donate money to the local charities that help homeless citizens, and all other acts of kindness first. But no, its like another bill to them that they have to pay. Its almost like getting a ticket to them.
This is not about helping homeless citizens – except of course to get the cops to quit killing them.
The cops do need to be rehabilitated. In the penitentiary.
Really.. His father gave up conservatorship of him, it took to much of his time and his mother had a 5 year restraining order on him. $900,000 is not enogh they are going for millions. The father said the money would be divided between them his two other children and grandchildren. Good for the family now thier problem is gone. Where was his father when the PD was asking for assistance to get him off of the streets. When I go to dinner down there I dont want to be approched by some dirty crazy guy asking me for money.
I agree with Shaun. The whole incident was uncalled for. I hope they all lose their jobs and their pension. My heart goes out to the family.
I too agree with Shaun, and thank him for his perceptive comments.
I truly hope that every PD in the USA is aware of this incident and clean up there departments or the people will demand justice this treatment of US citizens needs to stop before citizens take up arms to protect themselves from the enemy with in.remember what Nikita Kruschev said WE WILL DESTROY YOU FROM WITHIN!
http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
From CNN/Justice:
His father, Ron, said Friday that four new witnesses to that struggle have come forward this week, and he notified the FBI and the Orange County district attorney of the new witnesses Thursday.
The four witnesses, who had been afraid to make themselves known, saw “100% of everything” and “100% of the nonstop beating to my son’s head” by police, Ron Thomas said. Two of the witnesses are a husband and wife, and they saw Kelly Thomas before his encounter with officers, when Thomas was “not bothering anyone, just walking,” his father said. The four witnesses approached the father Wednesday evening, he said.
“It’s real key,” Thomas said of the four witnesses’ accounts. “It substantiates a lot of facts. They’re very, very reliable people.”
The incident “goes so far beyond brutality,” the father said Friday.
Thomas was a summary execution. Also, there was no call to dispatch. This cop showed up on his own, which means there is syndicate on this.
HOW is that beating justified? The post-attack photo of that man looked like nothing short of a brutal lynching. Those officers outnumbered that man. Each of them had tools and training to their disposal that could have enabled them to arrest that man without beating him to mush. Even if one officer lost control and resorted to beating him, tell me why the others did not interfere??? Why did something not trigger in their minds which said “This is WRONG. We dont have to do this.” In fact, I know that at least one of the officers had to acknowledge the point when he knew they had gone too far. Instead, the government endorsed coward kept his mouth shut- call it peer pressure- and they committed murder like the gang members that they are. Now they are hiding behind their pretty little badges. They are not officers of the law. Do not let them get away with this. Do not water down their charges.
and yes, I sent this to the Council email above
This just really makes me kinda sick and kinda sad for that poor guy.. I really have lost hope in the human race or is it the monster race? Sometimes I cant tell the difference. If sickos arent abusing children or animals they are abusing the homeless, as if he didnt have a hard enough life already. Are there any true good people left? I guess you just never know who the monsters are until they reveal themselves. Thank goodness not all police officers are like this.
I hope all the officers involved in this get charged with murder and go to jail like anyone else would for such a crime.
have any of you ever had to deal with someone who is on pcp or someone who is mentally disturbed? they have super-human-like strength with the ability to endure extreme pain without even flinching. maybe their use of force might have been a bit overkill, but try to imagine whats going through their minds when they are trying to subdue someone with pepper spray, batons, tasers, brute force and they still cant manage to get control of him…why dont you people go on ride alongs with an officer for a day and see for yourself what they go through…its a stressful and thankless job. you want the police when someone is causing harm to you or your property, but you hate for them to give you a ticket or take you or your relative away for doing something stupid. the way i see it, Fullerton PD just put themselves on the map…dont mess with the police or you suffer deadly consequences…FPD has my support.
as for the people that are bitching for Fullertons mayor to step down, quit being so over sensitive…he just said that he has seen worse injuries that were survived. he didnt say anything more or less and i dont believe there was anything to be misconstrued. mr mayor, you have my full support and i dont believe you should step down, nor should you feel wrongly for whats been said.
Are you all serious. You have spent more time arguing with eachother than actually talking about the tragedy that happened to this man. I was so taken back by what happened to Kelly that the last thing I would want to do is argue with a bunch of …….. well nevermind. Whatever
Social reform is a long process, it does not occur overnite the Kelly Thomas murder was the flashpoint that unified so many people from diverse backgrounds into a single voice crying out for justice on behalf of kelly and his family, and this, this is what led to the scutiny of a system of justice that no longer appears to be for the people, by the people. One person alone can never bring about reform, but look at all of the posts above this one, I am not alone, and thats a start, beginning with the investigation into the tactics of the fpd, that created the culture that allowed something like this to occur. It mushroomed when the people that the city council were elected to represent, rose up and demanded accountibility and leadership, and when that was not forthcoming, a petition was circulated and enough signatures obtained calling for a recall of offending elected councilmembers. THIS IS REFORM in its infancy. The issues of homless and the mentally ill are now receiving long overdue attention, and I do not mean to lump them into the same catagory as they are two distinct issues that scream out to be addressed and should be a concern for everyone (you know, …but for the grace of God go I” or you!) its just many times they parallell each other, and compound the problem. If we are a civalized and compassionate society that believes in careing for our fellow man hopefully a change will come, and that change will have been bought and paid for with Kelly Thomas’ blood. If you cant relate, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree….
Even the people that post on these boards in support of the fpd, play an important role in this unfolding drama, they are entitled to thier opinions and it allows us, the supporters of K. Thomas to weigh the arguments and opinions expressed on behalf of fpd. While misinformation and outright lies “clank”, the truth resonates to the ear. Justice for Kelly Thomas…..”.thy will be done” the world is watching…..
As outraged as many as you are.. we have to look at something else. This isn’t just about some cops that got out of hand, this is also about how this happens to homeless people, black people, latinos.. this is a much more complex issue. In a way, this homeless man got done this way because he is an outcast, on the outter margin of our society. So these cops thought less when they beat this homeless man.
Another thing i would like to say that although this is a tragedy, and although this is not the best way to achieve this, i am glad to see that people come together, and FIGHT. I’m sorry, but you have to FIGHT.. it’s outrageous that not even the people who witnessed it could video the incident. Right now in Greece and in the middle-East there are mass protests.. our nation is a sleeping giant.. one day those protests will come.. but do we have to wait til something even more horrific happens or happens often enough that more of you will come? It will come some day, we will all be pissed, and we will all stand up against these injustices together.. but sadly that day will only come when enough of us had enough. We all know we have to do soemthing, but we don’t.. we haven’t been affected that much yet.
is it true that his family will be accepting the settlement money? as much I feel for them, they’ll look like nothing better than cash cows looking for a payout. It’s not like Kelly even had a job or kids he was supporting. If he really wants to honor his son’s memory, he should donate it.
At least in the case of Doug Zerby, the guy had a son to support but here, not the case.
I reluctantly use Kelly Thomas as a springboard to my comment, but 3 others here posed comments circumventing around the point I want to illustrate.
Sad & Angry, on July 29, 2011 said: “Oh My GOD! How can this happen?”
Heyward Shepherd on July 29, 2011 said: “Sometimes in this cop loving period in this country…”
And some Anonymous [NWO SHILL] on August 11, 2011 seems to think that America should celebrate this kind of savage conduct.
If Kelly’s life sums up to something, maybe we should be asking ourselves; “How close to a fascist Nazi Amerika have we devolved? Because “Oh My GOD!” Kelly Thomas’ beating/murder is the very hallmark of Nazi police type conduct! We badly need to revisit history people.
For a time, the German public was much like present America and “Anonymous”, pro police, wholly in favor of the law and the order. At first the Nazi rule had the broad support of the population… the German versions of Kelly Thomas’ were tolerated with no forethought to the developing aftermath… until it was too late. Heyward Shepherd somewhat touches this point.
Today’s American law enforcement will only offer to beat you to death, pack you into a body bag curtsey of the state, because they’re never close enough to save you; and to strip you [revenue you] of your rights. Secondly; the courts have consistently ruled that they actually have no obligation to protect you personally… as you now witness how well they protected Kelly Thomas’ rights.
A self armed, mandatorily trained populace is the only rational deterrent to threaten criminals and a criminally out-of-control police and criminally out-of-control government. These murdering cops should have/could have been placed under citizen’s arrest on the spot!
After all the rhetoric that has been spewed around over the last few weeks I just looked at the picture for a few seconds and it helped me refocus on what this is all about. The police have to be accountable to the citizens.
@659 Oh yeah right, schizophrenic guy ‘lives free by choice’ You are a damned idiot. He had a mental illness and living like a rat in the garbage was not a FREE CHOICE – schizophrenia is a totally treatable illness, there is no fucking excuse on this planet why a man should allow his son to live filthy in the streets without any medication. My husband’s brother has schizophrenia, diagnosed in his early 20’s and he is now in his early 40’s. The thought of him living in the streets brings tears to my eyes.
However, I can barely understand what I am seeing when I look at his face. How many times was he hit in the head? Why didn’t they just hog tie him?
THE COMMENTS I SEE HERE DIRECTED AGAINST ALL POLICE OFFICERS MAKE ME VOMIT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE, BUT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS OF CRIMES AND THESE MEN AND WOMEN PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO PROTECT YOU AND ME !!
You whiny little bitches would be the FIRST calling the cops if your family was threatened and the FIRST to complain if things don’t go 100%
I have been pulled over for speeding, etc., I never argued, I never got angry – I said ”yes sir, no sir”
One officer remarked ‘you don’t seem very upset over getting a ticket (a shame as it indicates how much shit they usually get that he would actually comment on someone behaving in a normal fashion) and I replied ”well I did it (sped) and you’re just doing your job. It won’t help anybody for me to get upset” It’s called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY – I DID do it.
All you assholes breaking the law, screaming at police when you are caught, lying, fighting about it, cursing and name calling, speaking rudely to them when they are just doing their jobs, YOU are complicit in shit like this — they are human too, after hours, days, and years of being treated like SHIT by you jerks, they are liable to break.
When my son died there was a male and female cop who came and she kept me temporarily sane with her professionalism, and he was the only professional there who told me he was sorry for my loss and allowed me to cry into his chest. I will NEVER forget their professionalism and kindness on that day. I will NEVER paint all police officers with the same brush. I will never treat them as less than what they are – HUMAN BEINGS tasked with a very hard and apparently totally thankless job.
Finally someone with some common sense. Rebecca you have to realize that this is an anti police, anti government, activist blog site. It’s a place for them to vent. That’s why you see so much of it. That’s why most people could care less about this Fullerton issue because the grown adult made the choice to run & fight the police, the extent of his fight is still unknown, but he made that choice. The cops fought as well and won. The dad now wants to claim he loved his son so much, but in reality, anyone with a brain knows the dad wanted nothing to do with his son for a long long time. That’s why you have a small group of activists trying to overthrow the Fullerton government and rip on the cops as much as they can. It will all be over soon. I agree with your comments and so do most other normal people.
No it’s all about an ongoing Culture of Corruption and the coverup of a series of felonies.
RECALL. REFORM FPD.
You said it yourself and very clearly – Personal Responsibility. Of which we have seen none from any member of this department…. Since when does having a difficult and thankless job exonerate a person from having to own their responsibility when they have made an error ? In this case an error that has cost a life. You may have had personally rewarding experiences with the police and that’s great, but that’s not relevant to this case, Just like Kelly’s past, illness, or family life has no relevance to this case. This case boils down to an incident in which 6 men for whatever reason, crossed a line and may or may not have used excessive force while “struggling” with Kelly. Unfortunately, the police department and the manner in which they have addressed this “incident” , and with held evidence has opened a huge can of worms, turning it into a bigger issue than just that one incident. Like you so poignantly said, why didn’t they just hogtie him? … I suspect as the eyewitness accounts have indicated, he was hogtied and they kept on pummeling him, otherwise why wouldn’t they release all of the evidence?
I will grant you this; it IS ignorant to use a single brush to paint all cops – Just like it is to paint all those affected by Schizophrenia with a single brush.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE, BUT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
What happened here was six moral degenerates beat (or watched) the life out of an innocent man.
And yes, it is something that happens every day across the United States. These animals happened to get caught by FFFF.
“HUMAN BEINGS tasked with a very hard and apparently totally thankless job.”
Tasked? Hahaha. Nobody made these clowns become cops. The killers of Kelly Thomas did it because they wanted the hollow sense of self-importance that comes with a gun and a badge and being able to push and bully people. They were the biggest losers and misfits you knew in high school.
Thankless? The taxpayers have “thanked” these Heroes with retirement at 50 with virtually full pay, and exorbitant salaries and benefits. Where else can a 25 year old GED iPad thief make 86K a year?
Rebecca – I’m so sorry for your loss. I think you stated your case beautifully. I agree with all you’ve said. Again – I’m so sorry about your loss. I have 2 beautiful children and I would be lost without them. I don’t know why the mom and dad weren’t taking care of him. I just read that the mom and dad are sueing the cops. I don’t know how or why. He gave them no financial support so I don’t know what the cause of action would be.
I think people need to learn about the disease this man had. My cousin had the same disease and hung himself a month ago. He always felt like the police were after him everyone was out to get him. He could not help the way he was police need to learn to deal with people who have mental illnesses not beat them to death. No not all cops are bad but these ones were.
Hey guys… some of you need to take a step back and look at this situation as an individual screw up of these officers. These officers need to be repremanded for thier actions but those of you who think all cops are this way need to take a moment and think about what our society would be like without law enforcement.
Not all cops are bad. Most cops are good. Put yourself in thier shoes for a moment. Something as simple as pulling someone over for speeding can lead to the end of thier life. They never know who or what they are dealing with in any situation. This man may have had a mental disorder but as for those of us that don’t have a disorder, when a cop asks you to do something, you need to obey. It’s for thier safety and yours.
Keep in mind as you post your hatred about officers of the law that they have a family to go home to just like you. None of us work because we want to… we work in order to provide for our family. Cops are no different.
Reprimanded. No. Convicted and sent to State prison. Maybe Folsom or San Quintin. That’s near the beach.
awww so the little cops are scared, that suddenly makes it ok to KILL you, that makes it ok because a ticket stop can end thier life, facts are most cops are pricks, and most people know it. Reform the prick pig basturds and get some job training and weed out the goons beofre you get a reality check you and your momma never seen.
Baloney. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube alone that display uncontrolled, unnecessary police brutality. Police brutality is a worldwide epidemic.
Go to http://www.youtube.com and type “police brutality.” Go ahead. Everyone has a camera now, and this outrageous behavior is being captured and posted.
Don’t tell me to take a step back. “Individual screw up” x 5000 = epidemic.
The cat’s out of the bag, and has been for a long time.
The sick six bashed Kelly Thomas to death on July 5th in the course of “providing for their families.” Well, to hell with that, and to hell with them. Kelly is dead. Their spawn remains alive, and they’re on paid vacation.
Justice for Kelly Thomas.
I suppose both of you didn’t understand my comments. I would be an idiot to think that we don’t have crooked cops in the system. There are crooks in every organization regardless of the field of work. What happened to Mr. Thomas was unacceptable and those cops involved need to be held criminally responsible for their actions. As far as most cops being pricks, well I’m not sure where to find the “prick cop” study to verify that fact. I suppose both of you believe we shouldn’t even have police? Seems to be working well in radical Islamic nations.
I’m sure I can search YouTube and see the videos you are referring to but I wonder if these videos show the entirety of these altercations? Why were the cops called to the scene to begin with? Better yet, why am I wasting my time dissecting your comments? Me and my momma never seen nothing like this before.
Well guns with rubber bullets or bean bags, taser guns, Mace, and handcuffs. Any combination of the first three and the last one would have been a less lethal combination, don’t you think?
The officers should be held responsible for what they have done, but the people that trained them need a little heads up as well. Add nightstick under pistol in the use as a last resort column of weapons training.
I am not for one second condoning what these
pathetic excuses of Police Officers did, but before
everyone starts painting the whole FPD with the same
brush(and i can understand how hard it must be
to not paint it any other way). I am sure that there
are officers in the FPD that are exemplary officers. Assuming
that, extend those good officers the courtesy and respect
of not painting them with the same brush. For anyone that
thinks all cops are bad, take a look at the recent news
about the San Diego officer who was shot in the head and killed just munutes after buying a kid a cookie at McDonald’s.
Bad cops exist everywhere, just don’t bring down the
rest of the good cops down to the level of the ones who
never should’ve worn the uniform to begin with.
i’m with you i say the same thing one less cops to worry about killing innocent civillians
Rebecca Olesen you are spewing shit out of both ends. Shut up and listen! My cousin has schizophrenia . It is totally treatable when these people take their meds. You cannot force them too. they start to act better, so they stop taking them. Then its right back to the street. Its a never ending cycle.
Thank you FPD for thinning out the herd, he was of no use to society.
That is totally disgusting. He was someone’s child. I don’t understand what is wrong with people. It is no wonder that the US is turning into a shithole. and I fully expect some juvenile response from you but come on…show some respect for your fellow man. The world can only be better if we approach it with love and not ignorance and hate.
that video is so wrong,why they do that on 1 man!! no wonder why people don’t like to live in that place, thank god i live in a place that always fallow the system and always take care the society all the time.
He looks cute! 🙂
I don’t know what everyone is complaining about! That makeover did a lot for him!
how could you act like this is a joke! you are awful!
fuck you
ur an lowlife u should be beat too
I hope you get cancer! and I usually get what I wish for.
Must be the unions fault
I could understand if he was a black man. Seriously though? A retarded white dude? Shame on those Iraqi cops.
Years ago I was in Elysian park in Fullerton with friends. We were on the hill overlooking the backside of a Vietnam War Protest. We were just resting during a bike ride.
We could see Fullerton Police take people out of the crowd and arrest them.
We watched the FPD handcuff people face first onto a light pole and beat them with their night sticks a until they went down.
Looks like nothing has changed.
This is just another case of cops on a big authority kick. This poor man didn’t deserve this type of beating, it sickens me to see his hospital picture, this image goes to show he was a victim of police brutality. He was just not subdued, he was not taken down & cuffed, he was brutally beaten to death. I hope these crooked cops get what they deserve and not just a slap on the wrist because they can hide behind a badge. They are an embarrassment to society, to their families, and to every police officer in the US that actually performs their job like they should, not like the sorry excuses of pigs that get their thrills using their authority to abuse the system and as proven with this man, feel the need to beat people to death to inflate their ego. This entire abuse of power makes me physically ill, I pray everyone involved with this mans uncalled for death suffers as much or more than he did when they were getting their jollies off beating him to death as all he could do was plea for his fathers help. It takes real men to gang up on a mentally ill man and get pleasure out of beating him into a coma due to severe head trauma that led to his death. Kelly’s family has my deepest sympathy. I hope you push this to the limit, Kelly deserves justice.
I HOPE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS! YOU JUST MIGTH WANT TO REVIEW YOUR HIRING PRACTICES IN CALIFORIA.
I think right about now this city has bit off more than it can chew right now, since there seems to be no talk coming from the city to the main streem media on the details of the Murder I personnally feel as if that big bite they just swallowed most certainly has them chocked up from the after taste of their decisions.
Well, they got caught. When he makes it to prison they will get him. Most are cowards and act in numbers or send in someone to do their dirty work. They hide like criminals in locations where they don’t work. Why do people need to hide? Only the wicked flee when nobody is pursuing them. With that said? Come get me Cop’rs. Don’t hide like some candy ass sissy. C’mon! Come get me. COWARDS!
This is stupid this man had a mental prob that made him yell at people so someone calls the cops thats okay they dont know they can explain that it isn’t his fault. What do the cops do? EH IM LAZY ILL JUST BEAT THE INICENT HOMELSS MAN TO DEATH what ever is is wrong with fullerton cops they will have to wait a bit before getting to heaven since they are so stupid. Cops with no like and only 2 out of 15 went to jail. Why?
I mean its not his fault he has this mental thing I have nothing against it and they shouldnt but they do.
He didnt hurt anyone and wasnt going to HE DIDNT EVEN RESIST he was screaming for his dad who happened to be a retired police officer and everyone is like STOP HURTING HIM but these cruel heart jerks who dont belong in this world still beat him. Rest in peace kelly thomas 🙁
At least the cops are in jail. In Spokane WA. we had a similar incident almost 6 years ago and it took that long to get the cop to be convicted just this month. Mentally ill Otto Zehm was beaten, tasered, hogtied, and deprived of oxygen. He died. The Police admin, Mayor, police major crimes all covered up. The FEDS had to come in and do it. Then after conviction 50 officers from SPD were in the Federal court and stood up and saluted the convicted cop in front of the victims relatives. Otto and Kelly are in heaven now. I hope the bad cops rot in jail. Former LEO myself.
The cops are not in jail. The DA slapped A 25K bail on the killer Cicinelli. That’s $2500 cash.
That is discusting. It’s really criminal for bunch of thugs in a court room to stand up and salute a convicted felon in front of the victims relatives. What a bunch of pigs they really are!!!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine what would happen if there were not cops and tried that in a court room.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww!!!!!!!that soo nasty
You do realize that a person is innocent until proven guilty, correct? So far, the only evidence that is available which proves Kelly was burglarizing vehicles at the bus station is hearsay. Is it really such a leap of faith to not rule out the possibility that the FPD was, in effect, involved in a cover-up to ward off public interest of what took place? The only reason why these cops are paying for their heinous crimes, is because they murdered an ex-sheriff’s deputy’s son, who had hundreds of supporters. Even with video-taped evidence, and tens of eye-witnesses, FPD swept the incident under the rug, and emphasized the potential guilt of the victim.
Even if Kelly was guilty of theft, it is completely irrelevant with respect to what happened to him.
To Unknown. Nope now I see it. We didn’t know he was accused of a a making breaking.
My condolences to the Thomas family. I am truly sorry for your lost, for I was almost murdered in the same fashion, under the same color of authority, in the same Orange County just four months prior.
On March 9, 2011 several Police brutally ordered a K-9 to attack an unarmed, California Registered (RN) and Licensed Vocational Nurse (LVN). The California Highway Patrol in Orange County then attempted to cover up the incident.
Malik King, a reportedly “LVN since the age of nineteen” and California Registered Nurse since twenty three years of age, is said to have initially attempted to steal a car. Later it was found he was the owner of that Mercedes. What ensued next on the part of several officers goes well beyond the bounds of simply trying to subdue their suspect.
The several police officers ordered a police K-9 to attack him while he was still fastened in his seat-belt, tasered multiple times while the K-9 attack continued for over one minute and thirty seconds, then hand cuffed, slammed to the ground, hog tied, beat and kicked in the head until unconscious. He was then taken to jail, accused of multiple felonies, and had to pay $50,000 for bail.
Despite witnesses and the clear brutality of the beating, tasering, and ordered dog attack, California Highway patrol allowed several officers to remain active and attempted a cover-up.
Violations of federal law occur when it can be shown that the force used was willfully “unreasonable” or “excessive”. By signing this petition you agree that “unreasonable” or “excessive force” was used on Malik A. King on March 9, 2011 in California Orange County.
The beating of Mr. King is sickening and disturbing. The police involved in the beating and cover up must be brought to justice. Tell Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas to thoroughly investigate and prosecute the officers involved in the brutality of Malik A. King,LVN,RN.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/196/722/705/
http://freetibetbooks.wordpress.com/ Nurse, Here is the problem: Police work is synergistic; their buds in the peripheral occupations reinforce the brutality cited above, all day everyday. In GG, (but it could have happened in Fullerton). An undercover cop handed me a quarter, ‘soliciting,’ I was arrested, brutalized, and unlawfully strip searched, I fainted, after being kept dehydrated in a cell for a prolonged period. I was then forced onto an ambulance, (to be transported for an invasive drug test, against my will, to GG Hospital, where I was forced to endure further brutality (under the unwritten City policy of abusing ‘junkies’ with unauthorized invasive procedures in order to get a conviction in the absence of a crime). I protested, I was denied water with this statement by a doctor: “No, not until we run a test, and it had better be clean.” (Because hydrating me would dilute the anticipated findings.) While putting me on the ambulance the attendant and driver had conveniently looked the other way so that GG Officer Perkins could smash me in the eye with a Polaroid booking camera exclaiming, “(Give me fifty bucks or you are going to jail)… that’s what you get for not cooperating.” In the resultant federal case, for unlawful arrest, his partner, Explorer Zermino (as well as all of the witnesses from the fire department) having been subpoenaed, conveniently could not be located by the City to testify. The drug test determined that there were none, I was promptly tossed out onto the sidewalk in freezing weather with no money, no transportation, no medical treatment, practically no clothes, and no idea of where I was, at 2AM. When I started demanding to be let back in, a taxi driver (who propositioned me: clearly he was an under cover cop trying to get an arrest where no crime had been committed ) was dispatched, by the hospital, to dump me on the doorstep of the GGPD, where I was refused water, and where I stood on the steps all night until 7AM when I was given back some of my possessions. All the while spattered with pejoratives used to demean homeless people, by everyone from candy-stripers to physicians. Officer Perkins’ blow to my face caused permanent severe acuity blindness. The case was determined in the same week that the Graber case was made public, (Maryland, in which cops could no longer jail you for fifteen years, if you produced a tape of the your arrest). Had I attempted to defend myself, or prosecute Perkins in civil court WITH the tape of the arrest, I would be in prison right now. In every subsequent case I have been threatened (or the defendant has been threatened) with prison when I present a tape of the arrest (hold on to yor seat, the threat usually comes from the defendant’s public defender, upon reading the brief that I have armed the defendant with, INCLUDING A TRANSCRIPT OF THE ARREST). On another occasion, I was hit in the face with a bat by a gang guy (under a bridge, in a park), as a reprisal from an angry cop, (well you’ve read my work, what else is new) the SA ambulance attendants and driver arrived 30 minutes into severe bleeding, pumped me full of morphine against my wishes, and riffled all of the money out of my wallet, on the excuse of looking for my ID, exclaiming, “Whoa, what have we here, the motherload!” When I complained about this at the hospital, St. Joseph’s injected me with unannounced drugs. (AKA the ‘shut her up’ treatment). Having paid fifty thousand dollars in cash for ‘emergency’ medical bills in the year before, this time I simply staggered out of the emergency room and did not look back. I hope they have to send it out to collections (which pays 10% on the dollar, if that). Don’t be propagandized that it’s one bad apple; it’s a gang-in-blue and an entire synergy of peripheral agencies, all eating out of the public troth. And it doesn’t happen to just those ‘other’ people, or to that less than human ‘subspecies’ called the homeless. It happens to everyone. The City wins in court because there is only one Ron Thomas in a million (who can speak from experience about the police, and demand justice): the paralegal who ‘decided’ my fed case, was here on a work visa from Mexico, she now works for a City attorney (because): screwing me out of my rights was good practice. Police go where ever they want to, motorcycle cops are allowed to work ‘inter-municipally,’ so are detectives, and several other ranks, many of the cops who have harassed me ‘travel undercover’ from Fullerton to the Anaheim Hills: we know what kind of ‘police work’ they are doing, not the sort that has any law enforcement purpose. -Carolyn (If you think Rodney King had it bad, go to any bar parking lot at closing time and watch the cops beat and rob the patrons, that is the ones who they don’t roll later at the station).
Comment # 907 is a terrorist threat, just exactly the sort of threat that the cops on this blog hope to sucker us into making, so that they can get an easy arrest and a free felony stripe. my guess is that Ice, the author of the comment is now in prison.
I am elderly and I have to work to supplement my social security and I am certainly not a threat to anything or anyone . I leave work at 11:00 pm and arrive home at 12:00 pm Almost every night when I live work a police cars tailgates me making me very nervous. Now remember I am almost 70 yrs. 907 if and when the day comes when there is a revolution in this country. I hope I meet you.
For anyone who has the silly notion they are protecting me, they break off the tailgating before I arrive home and get out of my car.
and people wonder why those who need help do not wish to accept it from our ‘system’ or officers – this is the help. These were trained professionals (self admitted to reporters they were trained on HOW to ‘handle’ the homeless and mentally ill). They were out to ‘enforce medication’ – Kelly Thomas was not a man with a warrant or even committing a crime at the time. He was sick. This was his help.
This, and incidents like the slaughter of a mentally ill man and his nephew and friend just after hurricane katrina by an officer in New Orleans, will keep the people who need help running from it to save their very lives.
Cop killings are on the rise, but violent crime, is way down. This is a trend we are seeing more and more of: people willing to kill the officer before they themselves are killed.
You’re safer out of uniform as a cop these days, than in uniform. I needn’t restate why.
No, Kelly was murdered because he was a nuisance to a local douchebag watering hole.
Being a nuisance, and being killed by SADISTIC NARCISSISTS, who are probably PSYCHOTIC are 2 different things. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Knock that shit off or things happen.
The pigs are not Sadistic Narcissists, psychotics. They are paid hit men for the very rich.
Dont dispute the facts, it doesnt look good.
so as a ex-police officer who was wrongfully fired for reporting abuse on another officer.i quickly learned that police departments these days are basically putting together gangs with the united states laws and government behind them.has anyone looked up the abuse reports filed against your local and surrounding police departments.?maybe you should or maybe you shouldn’t.! if they catch you snooping in their business they will harass you and your family legally and you won’t be able to do anything about it.except stop being noise so they can continue to do as they please with the law on their side.by the way,just because you have a record doesn’t mean you can’t report an officer for abusing the law.you still have rights and that means they have rules.so if you don’t want to see your friends and family or even yourself end up like kelly than you must report any and all abuse no matter how big or small to your local city council.
Sorry that people like you no longer work for law enforcement, but I am aware of others who were not bigotted thugs who were forced out of law enforcement. I knew a sheriff who used to “play the game” because he had a family to feed but I know it had its toll on him.
We need those kinds of cops in Cncinnati. Niggers do that to other folks everywhere.
Simon Wilson, you are a sick pathetic excuse for a human! You need to take yourself out to a forest and blow your head off.
Why pollute a perfectly good forest?
True FH..
Classic. Since the police cult err… “brotherhood” can no longer logically defend the actions of the FPD they’re left with posting racist rambling off topic messages.
First of all, this stupid nonsense I hear of, “Wait till you need our help when your house is being broken into and your family is threatened”. That is B.S.! If your house is being broken into and your family is threatened, you have seconds and when seconds count the cops are minutes away. We citizens need to protect ourselves. Nowhere in your cop creed does it state that you are here to protect us. You protect the Public-at-Large; not individual citizens. Get over yourselves. You are not God’s gift.
http://kaotic.com/12097_Law–Order-The-Murder-Of-Thomas-Kelly-By-Law-Enforcement.html
There should be no tolerance for anybody in a position of power such as police, CIA, Turnpike Troopers ..and so on..to do this and think they can get away with it.
These two screwball bastards should get hung from their balls and have the video posted on youtube for their families to see.
Seriously? Six meatheads to take down one homeless person. Cops should be tested every 3 or 5 years for compentency.
Bastards…hope they get the chair!
I AM SOOO F*CKING TIRED OF THE THUG PIGS USING SOME GHETTO CRIME AS AN EXCUSE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR. NOW THE PIGS ARE TALKING ABOUT KATRINA. GET A F*CKING BRAIN YOU DUMB THUGS AND LOOK AROUND YOU AND SEE WHAT PART OF TOWN YOU ARE IN.
If you weren’t all the bunch of dumb drunks looking for as$, you would know where you are most of the time. Go home and f*ck your dumb fat blond wife and eat your usual McD meal and lay off the murdering of innocent sick people.
Most young people join the police,sheriff,or FBI to make the country safer for all,& to have a steady job that pays a livable wage.They undergo many tests,hard training,just as a soldier does in boot camp.They have sincere feelings in their hearts & minds that they can make a difference.Then the stress of the job…being spit on,attacked,shot at,hit, called names by the person you came to help,seeing abused ,neglected babies,beaten women,seeing suspects let off with a tap on the hand,all these things take their toll,& eventually many become jaded. They gather among fellow cops,because they know the job & start drinking too much to forget a lot of what they’ve seen.Eventually & unfortunately many suffer from PTSD.It breaks up marriages & relationships suffer.Some apply & get into fire departments, which also is fraught with danger & nightmare causing sights.No one should EVER be beaten down like this homeless man was.The cops should be charged & sent to prison,but the whole force should undergo psychiatric sessions.
Tell it to somebody that gives a damn. I don’t care what the overpaid drunks had to see. I worked in a hospital and had a lot of the same experiences, but people who work in hospitals don’t torture and murder for fun and then laugh and stand around shaking their b*lls.
I give a damn.
And don’t tell me that the high and mighty medical community is fault free in the bs…
1. Pennsylvania serial killer nurse Charles Cullen (St. Luke’s Hospital)
2. BANGOR, Maine, Eastern Maine Medical Center, $6.7 million in a medical malpractice lawsuit
3. Dennis Quaid’s Newborns Given Overdose of Blood-thinning Drug
4. Famed Comedian John Ritter Lost Life Due to a Misdiagnosis
5. a Denton County Texas jury has ordered a hospital, a doctor and a physician’s assistant to pay $3.5 million the family of a woman who died of mis-diagnosed cancer.
…and that’s ONLY 5 incidents…so shut it.
The synopsis of the incident:
Kelly Thomas, after a fatal beating by officers of the Fullerton, California Police Department
On July 5, 2011, at about 8:30 PM, officers of the Fullerton Police Department responded to a call from the management of the Slidebar that someone was vandalizing cars near the Fullerton Transportation Center. While investigating, they encountered the shirtless and disheveled Thomas and attempted to search him. According to statements given by the officers, Thomas was uncooperative and resisted when they attempted to search him, so backup was called. The officers then repeatedly shocked Thomas with Tasers, beat him with the butts of the Tasers and flashlights, and slammed him into the ground. A video of the event surfaced, and Thomas can be heard repeatedly screaming in pain while officers tasered him (up to five times according to a witness statement) in the video, and screaming “Dad! Dad!”. Six officers were involved in subduing Thomas, who was unarmed and had a history of mental illness. Thomas was initially taken to St. Jude Medical Center in Fullerton but was transferred immediately to the UC Irvine Medical Center with severe injuries to his head, face, and neck.
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Now…I’m going to take the stance that the majority of you don’t know many mentally ill, let alone have to deal with them in this manner. I have news for you. I work in a prison for over 15 years and can tell you that “the poor and sick people” cannot always be controlled with “please? and thank you!” There are times use of force is necessary to quell the incident. Individuals with the victims’ illnes cannot be reasoned with over 80% of the time.
Is it true that a man died? Yes. Is it possible these Officers aren’t (properly) trained how to deal with these individuals? Absolutely.
The reports said the victim was homeless. Where were his parents BEFORE the incident? I mean…they had to halt life-support…so they were where for their child before his death?
Everyone is so quick to blame Police Officers for a tragic situation like this – but where does the true issue stem from? When the Feds and States close more and more mental institutions and these people have nowhere to go, who is TRUELY to blame? I mean the parents obviously gave two shits….they left their mentally ill son homeless.
So mentally ill people with shitty parents should be executed…great analysis…
No he didnt say that. He said police shouldnt always be blamed.
First of all I feel only a cop or family member would go along with this murder.I could be wrong!Theres a new way cops and dea are killing these days.They take a 20+yr old slanted/lieing police account of an arrest to the newspaper(making them look like carlos the jackel) which was (pre trial pub).The person dosnt get the punishment(they) think is deserved so they get the balt paper to put it on the net with first and last name page1 # 1.They just murdered the person their famly,kids,kids kids,spouse,etc.No job no treatment if you ever suffer from pain,on and on forever.Your left breathing but not much more. Those cops who beat and murdered that poor human are murders and I dont see whats so hard to understand.Dont know but he was prob a vet too(your country thanks you).Ahh man I just had another idea.I wonder if the guy had been arrested befor for a Bs pot plant or something, got off and they became judge and jury. Sick fu%^ers.The problem as I see it isnt just what they did.Its the mentalaty that the cops think they can exact anykind of punishment anyway they see fit and its their job.Yes I stretched the topic sorry please dont jump me Iam new to (bloging?) and not a good speller too.Guess I need to be murdered by the spelling cops.Online your guilty even after being proven innacent
thoese cop are pig heads will they stop at anything to get more power
policemen have and deal with fear. anger is the compensating emotion. you may say extreme fear opposes rage. control, training, respect are in need of suspension in this police force.
It’s fantastic that you are getting thoughts from this paragraph as well as from our argument made here.