Wow! There’s No Bottom to This Well of Stoogery. Well, We Know Better!
A couple of months a go we related a pathetic pro-cop piece written by the OC Register’s David Whiting, who is used to writing about wild flowers and bike trails and who, if the Register weren’t sinking, would probably be forced to stick to those bucolic endeavors.
Here is this toady’s latest effort. He has coughed up just about the lamest propaganda for the Three Desiccated Dinosaurs imaginable. It’s all about their quiet, dignified “leadership.” He helpfully supplies thumbnail biographies of his new heroes: Jones Bankhead and McKinley.
For Whiting everything has to do with how these three handled the murder of Kelly Thomas. But he conveniently omits some shocking truths; thruths like the abandonment of civilian oversight of the FPD as it descended into criminal chaos under McKinley’s reign of error; of a conga line of law suits, criminal and civil rights accusations, arrests and convictions of cops for one crime after another, about false police reports and perjury. Theft. Sexual battery. Fraud. Assault. False arrest. You name it.
Shallow observers like Whiting want to think the recall is about Kelly Thomas as an isolated, unavoidable incident; it isn’t. It’s about a Culture of Corruption created and fostered by Jones, Bankhead, and McKinley and they essentially turned over the police department to their union supporters – going so far as to permit one of the union bosses to act as an official city spokesman, a position this individual has used, and grossly abused in trying to help his union brethren escape responsibility for their criminal behavior.
Then there are the other troubling issues that Whiting knows and cares nothing about: the use of Redevelopment by The Three Myopic Miscreants to reward their political supporters and campaign contributors; the serial boondoggles and wasted millions in pursuit of one cockeyed master plan after another. It’s about the cesspool these individuals have created in downtown Fullerton; it’s about creating a criminal praetorian guard to patrol the downtown sidewalks – those that haven’t yet been given away to campaign contributors.
And then there is the disgraceful 10% tax on the water users of Fullerton, a $2.5 million annual ripoff that goes to pay the massive pensions and perks enjoyed by Jones, Bankhead and McKinley. It’s been illegal to impose such a tax for years, but Bankhead and Jones have been cheerfully ripping us off for decades.
Enough is enough. Time to break out the municipal broom and sweep these malefactors out of City Hall. Lackeys like Whiting will never permit themselves to comprehend the truth we know, and that thanks to Kelly Thomas many more people now realize: Bankhead, Jones, and McKinley are not leaders, dignified or otherwise. Real leaders take responsibility for their actions and their inactions. They are accountable. These three are detached, self-serving, arrogant clowns pretending to be something thy are not. If they won’t leave voluntarily we will help them to the door.
First again!
Dude, get a life!
Rather than a quest to be first, why not get a life?
AAAAAhahahahahahahaha…….
Exactly!!
Thanks for saying it, Pete. This “first” business is juvenile and lame.
Grow up. You clearly have the time.
I’m wondering about this david whiting guy. He’s a crappy, derivative writer, definitely not a journalist in any sense of the word, so I’m assuming he has his lips bonded to the cloaca of somebody somewhere in order to keep his stupid job.
The list of crimes and scandals emanating from the corrupt Fullerton city council grows daily. FFFF has made this clear to anyone who cares to pay attention, so what is whiting attempting to do with his butt-sucking tributes of the three stooges?
The cat’s out of the bag, big time. Jones, Bankhead, McKinley and the FPD have been exposed to the world.
What, and who, are whiting and his fellow sycophants trying to save?
Thanks to Kelly Thomas, the good people of Fullerton are beginning the long-overdue process of draining their political swamp — starting with the recall of Cornpone Jones and his two organ grinder monkeys. It’s a good start.
Two killer cops have been arrested and charged, and that’s a good start too. Whether or not they are eventually convicted remains to be seen, but in the big picture, that probably doesn’t matter.
What matters is that the bastards, thugs and pimps have been outed, and there’s nothing a weenie like david whiting can say or do about it.
Justice for Kelly Thomas.
Pecker you have termites in your wood!
Let’s make it a clean sweep, and take out the other two in the November elections!
http://fullertonstories.com/kfi-recall-rally-turnout-doesnt-meet-predictions/
Haha morons!!!! Keep wasting your time!
How much are the council members paid? How big are their pensions?
Councilmen get about $1000 a month with car allowances and insurance.
Bankhead gets $90,000 a year pension; McKinley gets $215,000, half of which is paid by Fullerton taxpayers.
Bankhead also pulls down tens of thousands a year sitting on stupid local and regional committees and commissions where he can fall asleep at his leisure.
Jesus… the fleecing of America continues!
“Theft. Sexual battery. Fraud. Assault. False arrest. You name it.”
…and these are their GOOD points!
I came to FFFF to share this link to you kind folks. FFFF, you scooped me again.
What a load of trash that artical was.
I did not see “a supporter sold T-shirts emblazoned with a Fullerton police badge labeled “Termination Squad,”.” Did this happen?
Also, I love the quote by Jones-“And people don’t think we give a hoot.” I don’t even know what a “hoot” is.
I did see people there with shirts that said this but didn’t know what it meant. I guess it took Mr. Whitings article to let me know what it meant.
Three old farts silence is just deafening. The OCR says nothing new.
Will the Fed’s come in and press civil rights violations against the cops, or are they waiting in the wings to see what verdicts are reached in the state trial?
This is the key question. A pattern of denying citizens their civil rights clearly exists. We see it. Do the Feds?
You have to point it out to the feds, they are pretty myopic !
Fullerton, you are the ground zero in this country for people who have become aware of and against the increasingly brutal nature of law enforcement. Thank you! It’s up to the conscientious cops to recognize the blight in their ranks and remove it; otherwise, protests like Occupy Wall Street will devolve into riots like the Arab revolts. One hopes never to see video of the 3 City Council imbeciles dragged through the streets – bloodied and crying for mercy – like Guddafi, but there are limits to how much abuse any civilian can take at the hands of authorities.
Jones says “if I got there when (Thomas) was down and out, I would have said ‘enough is enough.'”
Jones does not address how and why Kelly Thomas was taken down in the first place. Whiting writes that the mayor was shocked at the threat to him reportedly scrawled on the doors of city hall (as anyone should be) but ignores the threat of violence made to Kelly Thomas by a Fullerton police officer before this officer helped beat Thomas to death.
Bankhead is clueless, as usual. Not one of these three council members has a clue about how to lead in a crisis, and their retreat into silence shows it. A real leader would have immediately realized something was wrong as soon as Sellers skipped out of town he night of the killing and demanded answers on behalf of the public he or she serves. Instead these three think that prudent silence is the only action, completely oblivious to the need of the people of this city to know whether or not their police force was comprised of psychopathic killers.
Whiting should be ashamed to call himself a journalist after such a pointless piece of writing.
“enough is enough”? …I remember watching the video and feeling (BTW, I am smaller than Kelly Thomas)
that I would have thrown my body on top of his to stop that beating…hearing his cries was too much for me, I still am disturbed by them and unable to forget them, though I never knew Kelly.
I don’t know if Jones knows this, but in “contempt of cop” beatings, five or six cops will find a pretext to beat an uncooperative inmate; now sometimes a jail visitor or a person on the street. They will use the swarm techniques that Gordon Graham developed as the proper technique for taking down a PCP user such as Rodney King, but they extapolate it to a victim that Graham did not envision.
The beating will go on until one cop says “enough”.
Remember early on that Ron Thomas said that his son was a victim of a “contempt of cop” beating. He knows.
So does Mark Gennaco. who is investigating the internal structure of the Fullerton Police Department and also the LA County Central Jail with about 100 “contempt of cop” beatings.
The question is, did Dick Jones know what he was saying when he stated that if he had been there he would have said, “enough, enough”. And, did he realize that he said that he would only have given the command when Kelly was “down and out”
Let us not forget that the evidence shows that Kelly never committed a crime on that night and we are being denied the information on the citizen complaint that led to the police contacting Kelly on that night in the first place.
And people can’t understand why I post negative stuff about police from other jurisdactions. There is police corruption in every single city in this once wondrous country.
Why don’t we start with the PD that’s so awful they make Vegas Metro PD circa 1975 (when the Ant was in town as mob enforcer) look legit and civil?
Fullerton PD is just bad. Their crap has made it worldwide since before Kelly Thomas was killed.
The Italian mafia is a gang of peace-loving buddhist monks when compared to Fullerton PD. The more I read the more I get disgusted.
The person who convinced me (a Nevadan) to move to California forgot to mention that the town north of Anaheim is policed by thugs. Legit my ***!
Add Corona Police Department to that list. Ask one for directions and they’ll likely pull you out of the car and sit you on the curb.
Read injustice everywhere, every single day the are at least 20 or more news feed articles on police misconduct across this country. its not localized to Fullerton alone.
I’m trying to find Whiting’s Gadhafi tribute.
“He was a quiet and dignified leader who didn’t deserve to be dragged out of a culvert and shot.”
You mean McKinley, or do you mean Doc HeeHaw?
Hilarious
Not that many years ago in the Herald Examiner, we had a friend who collected regular money as a reporter, to “report” things in a certain way. He was never found out and fired and was a fairly well known reporter. He was paid in cash monthly to his public relations firm (self employed).
Consider these pieces in the OC Register as requested by someone other than the editor. The newspapers are not without their own skeletons in the closet.
The info left out is left out on purpose!
our legal system is about determining whether the people may set a reasonable precedent or not, would it be reasonable for fullerton residents to file a class action suit specifically against mckinley, sellers, jones, bankhead, felz et all for systematically promoting civil rights abuses, misuse of redevelopment funds and using city tax dollars to pay for the lawsuits they have caused to occur within our city’s limits? these men have directly caused with their tacit approval or promotion of their policies the beating death of kelly thomas and other civil rights abuses, deconstructing fullerton’s downtown and reconstructing it into a booze court filled with reckless drunks using redevelopment money(tax dollars). there may be a precedent for this, if not no harm in trying to take these men to court and forcing them to pay out of their pockets, instead of mine, for their horrific behavior towards the residents and business owners of fullerton.
Get a lawyer.
I would retain a lawyer except my taxes eat up most of my income. and why are my taxes so high? because my money that I worked for is used as hand-ups(welfare) for slobs who produce juvenile paintings
“Well of Stoogery.”
LOL!!!
To properly sum up: the fish stinks from the head down!!
How much more dirty can this story get—
Where is the State Attorney General?! Where is Tony R?! Where is the DOJ?! Where is Michael Gennaco?! Where is the COMPLETE justice??
I can’t listen to it either. Before I ever saw the vid I had heard Ron tell the story to the news as he was heading into the hospital and my heart went out to him. In the retelling alone it is disturbing, but the actual audio is too much to handle.
In the interview with Inside OC Show, Mckinley did state that the ipad thief (MEJIA) and molestor (RINCON) have been fired. With his acknowledgment that the two (RAMOS & CICINELLI) went too far, he does not acknowledge that the other four that stood and watched are complicit for not acting to stop a crime in progress, except WOLFE who should have been charged with other two. Wolfe is probably trying to plea bargain by agreeing to testify against the others which will be futile.
If he said that about Mejia, he lied. She hasn’t had a court hearing yet.
hey, somebody in there ( the fullerton police dept.)Please tell me why Cicinelli did this ? http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/gallery/thumb.php?src=/export/home/cc-common/mlib/616/09/616_13155150675.jpg&wmax=600&hmax=450&quality=80 to Kelly?
only need 1 person to have reasonable doubt…and not sure if you have done research on who the cops attorney is….you may want to look at his track record
Case History
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People vs. B
Officer for the Los Angeles Police Department charged with Assault with a Deadly Weapon upon Rodney King.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. C
Fireman charged with 1st degree murder.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. H
Police Officer charged with sexual assault against 9 separate women.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty All Charges
People vs. M
Defendant charged with special circumstance double murder and robbery.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. P
Defendant charged with murder of her husband’s mistress and her 6-month-old baby.
~ Jury Trial/Hung Jury; Plea to Time Served and Released from Custody
USA vs. M
Marine Captain charged with homicide at Camp Pendleton.
~ Military Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. G
Defendant charged with Conspiracy to Commit Mayhem against the daughter of John Wayne.
~Jury Trial/Hung Jury
People vs. T
School teacher accused of child molestation.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. S
Defendant charged with special circumstance murder. Death Penalty case involving a full confession that was admitted into evidence.
~ Jury Trial/Hung Jury
People vs. G
Defendant charged with rape.
~Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. J.R.M.
Pilot charged with possession of a firearm at the airport.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. I
Los Angeles Police Officer charged with murder
~ Jury Trial/Hung Jury; Case Dismissed
People vs. M
Husband and Wife charged with several counts of child abuse
~ Jury Trial/Hung Jury; Case Dismissed
People vs. E
Riverside County Deputy Sheriff accused of 15 counts of child molestation.
~ Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. M
Highly televised involving Inglewood Police Officer charged with Assault under Color of Authority.
~Two Jury Trials/Both resulted in Hung Jury; Case Dismissed
People vs. J
Police Officer charged with 6 counts of child molestation.
~Jury Trial/Mistrial; Case Dismissed with Prejudice due to DA misconduct
People vs. R
Defendant charged with prostitution.
~Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. N
Riverside Police Officer charged with Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Use/Exhibition of a Firearm.
~Jury Trial/Not Guilty
People vs. T
Defendant charged with Vehicular Manslaughter.
~Jury Trial/Hung Jury; Dismissal
People vs. A
Attorney charged with Sexual Battery.
~Jury Trial/Not Guilty
Shouldnt be hard to create resonable doubt when these cops fought a convicted schizo homeless asshole, who by the way was also a convicted felon. I think good old Orange County will probably support the cops…
Cops are always whining about criminal defense attorneys getting “the scum” acquitted, except when “the scum” is one of their own. Quite an impressive list to associate with FPD, “FPD rocks.”
Yeah, interesting isn’t it? Don’t they say that if you haven’t done anything wrong, you don’t need an attorney and if you’re innocent answering questions from investigators is your opportunity to prove it? Just sayin.’
All these charges and costs to the taxpayer and you are what? bragging? sad
Good observation, Anonymous!
Know the attroney well by press accounts. Know Napaolean well, too, by reading War and Peace. People are saying that in Orange County people will never convinct a cop. I say that in Orange County, people hold a standard. They will see the city video.
steve, use spell check
When Whiting asks, “Why didn’t Jones condemn Thomas’ death, speak out, apologize to his family
Jones explains that council was told by city attorneys that making statements could jeopardize successful prosecutions of suspects.
Jones doesn’t point out the obvious – that his silence was to protect any efforts to prosecute the very police officers that Ken and John claim the councilmen are shielding.”
That last statement sounds like he isn’t so ‘pro-Jones, McKinley & Bankhead, however he did omit all of the other incompetencies of the “Night of the Living Dead 3”.
Right, and what the councilpeople are really told is that any statement that gives sympathy to the aggrieved could give fuel to a future lawsuit. This could cost the City money and the councilpeople are duty-bound to hold the City harmless.
It has nothing to do with potential criminal prosecution, in which the judge will hold the prior opinion of any person irrevelent. Consider the meeting betwen Ron Thomas and attorney Bruce Praet.
Yes, I believe FPD saw Kelly Thomas as nothing more than a “schizo homeless asshole” but the rest of us know better than that. The name calling and stereotyping and labeling is a way to dehumanize the victim and is quite effective with people who are intellectually lacking and have limited capacity for abstract reasoning.
For instance, FPD rocks, who resorts to name calling, stereotyping, and labeling to dehumanize victims, would be an example of an intellectually challenged individual with limited capacity for abstract reasoning.
CANCEL THE REGISTER
I would encourage any and all sane people who live here in Orange County, to immediately cancel their subscription to the Register newspaper if they haven’t already done so.
Instead of providing the voting public with reporters that are interested in doing unbiased investigative journalism, the O.C. Register manages to find reporters that write these sweetheart pieces that aren’t worth the paper that they’re written on.
Amen brother!!!
I cancelled them long ago. Since they were sold 10 years ago for a billion dollars, they have lost a torrent of money. The quality suffers and there is no need to read it. Sometimes the editorials were good, but usually the Register has been mediocre. Even the sports page is just so so.
That’s exactly the message you or someone sent earlier today or maybe last night. The same cowardly excuses ala “Pat McKinley” style. “Those women were not like these people here.”
FPD Rocks (who could very well be McKinley) says: “Kelly Thomas is not like us. He’s an a-hole cause he’s homeless.”
Keep spewing your “blame the victim” lines FPD Rocks. I’m sure we’ll be hearing that same lameness from Ramos’ asshole defense attorney. Bad luck to you.
Here’s the deal, Wrong Guy. I don’t think they even have enough sense to understand that every time they say those kinds of things, which reflect their values and point of view, they only reinforce why people are so horrified by all of this and they are demonstrating exactly the kind of ideas that some of us believe motivated the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas by FPD.
When I say that their capacity for abstract reasoning is limited, I can say that sincerely as a clinical observation–they really just don’t, and probably can’t, get it. It’s the reason we sometimes have to mandate and legislate what to so many who blog here would consider very basic ethical standards and values about human rights. But we must do it, otherwise the concrete thinkers of the world will go around beating vulnerable people like Kelly Thomas to death without remorse.
Or it may be that consultant Dave Ellis knows that if the facts are known to the public, there is no way these three can survive. He may know that the only outside opportunity is to depriciate Kelly Thomas and depriciate Tony Bushalla.
And remember, Dave Ellis gets paid even if the “three blind mice” lose. He only loses if future candidates stop coming to him.
Great suggestion FL.
I cancelled mine 3 years ago.
If I ever saw David Whiting on the street, I swear I would slug him. The guy is a “Grade A Scumbag.”
Maybe it was retaliation of what Jimenez did to him and his disfigurement to his eye that Cicinelli created so many injuries around Kellys eyes .Mr. Jimenez got life for this…..Cicinelli got his career back, but was this enough? Did the treatment he give Kelly stem from his bitterness toward Mr.Jimenez. Who can say, really… that what Mr. Cicinelli did was not intended to cause loss of life. Because this was done to a “nobody on the streets” it may have his opportunity to make someone pay for his disfigurement inflicted on a person that probably he thougth nobody would miss. How can McKinnley and Racaucus both say for sure that there was absolutly no intent to take a life?
The was discussion of sissynelli targeting Kelly’s left eye with the butt end of the taser .
“There are quiet, dignified leaders and there are loud, bombastic leaders.”
There is a world of difference between the “quiet” Whiting speaks of and the deafening silence of inept leadership. Whether quiet or “bombastic”, Fullerton needs leadership capable of providing accountability in an open and responsible government.
I like the part where he bemoans how Jones, McKinley, and Bankhead now accompany their wives when they go shopping.
These women are in their 70’s for crying out loud. Their husbands are retired and have nothing to do. Nothing. Why weren’t they accompanying their wives at the store before all this went down? I wouldn’t want my aging wife lugging all the groceries home by herself. Stuff like Osteoporosis affects something like 40% of women their age. There’s no need to put them at risk of a broken hip, wrist, or ankle when Dick/Pat/Don are perfectly capable of being there to help them.
What poor excuses for husbands.
Last night was the first meeting of the task force for the homeless and mentally ill in fullerton. There was a showing of dignitaries and large panel of about 15-20 people. What most people may not relise is how well our city already cares for homeless people. The armory is opened up in the colder days of winter for shelter.There are hot meals provided for the needy several days a week in this city and all days if you ride bus to surrounding citys.If you ask a homeless person what they think about such a committie you might be surprised at their responce. A homeless person might tell you that his #1 need aside from shelter is the need to feel safe, not from each other but from the police. Every homeless person will tell you multiple stories of detainment and harsment by police for doing nothing more than just walking by. Many times they’ve heard words like ” I’ts illeagle to be homeless.” ” don’t you be thinking about sleeping here , your going to have to move on.” Homeless people are frequently woken by the police even in areas that are not very visible to the average person.
I think what the city could have really benifited from is not a gigantic committie to talk about homeless and mental health, (there are a few with severe mental health issues and they probably wish to be left alone.), but to have a community police oversite committie to understand police procedures and treatment as they relate to homeless citizens, and education to have a better apprecitation and respect for all homeless citizens that live here. This accountability of the police to the community would ease the fear felt on the streets. ( they have such a committie in Los Angeles.) This idea was brought up at the city council meeting as nothing more than a motion to discuss such a committie, but could not get a second. McKinnley and bankhead both stated that if any recomendations or policys need to be looked at they can be attended to by the chief.This amounts to the police policing the police. The best way to protect the civil rights of the homeless and meet their greatest need is to have the police accountable to the community. But now we have a massive committie to discuss what we are already doing very well for the homeless we have here.The only thing this committie will probably do is force the mentaly ill off the streets by implimentation of Lauras Law.
Did anyone discuss how to discourage the police from beating homeless and mentally I’ll people to death?
ROTFLMFAO…Great question.
reply to #46:
You mention that “This idea (Community police oversight committee similar to LA City), was brought up at the city council meeting as nothing more than a motion to discuss such a committee, but could not get a second.”
OK FFFF editor: Since there are TWO Kelly supporters on City Council, WHY COULDN’T THE MOTION GET A SECOND? Who crapped out? Find out and reintroduce the motion.
Great as always Joe. Just one thing.
You forgot to add the prepubescent “Officers” who fart in the faces of unconscious suicidal people on McPension’s watch.
Does anyone know who really owns the OCR since they were in financial trouble.
There was talk of the Union money being interested.
It would make sense re their pathetic and biased attempt of reporting.
Because there is more and more idiots who think they dont have to listen to authority. Just like you!!
Is that what your Mom told you?
And they got suspended..do you think it only happens in Fullerton?? Shut up and smell the gas!!
And here we have another fine example of a cop hiding behind an anonymous moniker. Notice the Nazi reference in what is supposed to be a humorous put-down: “Shut up and smell the gas.”
Cops are becoming more like Nazis every day; otherwise, this blog wouldn’t exist.
Why: You don’t know that Cicinelli did this. Nothing has been proven as of yet as to who did what to whom!!!
All of you complaining about who is on the City Council AND, how much they make…
DID YOU VOTE!!!!!!!!??????
I REST MY CASE!
Hey Dave Ellis and Larry Bennett!
To answer your question, YES, I DID! AND I’LL BE VOTING AGAIN!
Anything else?
Yeah, so stop bickering and let’s get back on topic, whatever that was.
Let them bicker….It’s funny…And yes I did vote, but lost on all….No mercy for Fullerton….
Very well written joe. I watched the exchange between chros thomason and the planning commissioner guy too. The audacity this bufoon had during this segment was amazing. even going so far as to read from a script that I wager was written by Ackerman. Just ridiculous someone would be against recalling those clowns.
Paul, Dick Ackerman has a lot at stake. You see he represents the developer St Anton partners. The same developer that the 3 blind fools just voted to give a $9.5 million dollar government subsidy to build a subsidized apartment complex in the SOCO district. The project is coming back to his crew for a final vote sometime next year.
For all that consider what Fullerton is going through as ‘trivial’ and support the back-to-business aspect, you have been successfully fooled. Again I will be in front of FPD tomorrow between 9 and noon and again none of you will show your faces. Idiots. :/
I challenge all of you to write a letter to Mr. Whiting. I did and he actually replied to me today. I told him that if only the three council men mentioned in his article would have said those things to the community at large instead of “quietly” to Mr. Whiting there may not have been need for a RECALL. However, alas, they did not…hence the RECALL.
Whiting’s column is the biggest piece of crap I’ve read since…well, his last column on the matter. Expect our retort to his stupidity mañana…
What is Ron Thomas doing on the committee. He is not a Fullerton resident. He should go to Cypress and start his own homeless committe there. He has so much time on his hands now that he is looking at all those dollars signs. Shame on him.
Ron Thomas did not come to Fullerton by choice. He was summoned to St. Jude Hospital to see his beaten and dying son. That is what he is doing here.
By the way, the City of Fullerton may do better if it takes out the imaginary wall and moat that surrounds the city and views itself as part of a region.
Why must you dump on Ron Thomas Anonymous?
He’s entitled multi-millions of dollars since your badged thugs killed his son!!!
I hope he gets it soon just to piss you off even more.
Then, once federal indictments come down on FPD brass, we get to here more of your crying.
Can’t wait.
If you had any guts you would use another moniker other than ‘Anonymous’.
There is one original Anonymous that posts on this site and it’s not you.
RECALL them ALL!
Fullerton cops are living proof you can’t polish a turd.
dwhiting@ocregister.com
tool-e-o’s email address-
Admin-question, I was informed that no one will release a photo of Rincon? not even Quick-Silver or Bruce W?