Did David Tovar Get Messed Up By Fullerton Cops?
I don’t know. That’s his story, anyway, and because he has a lot of gang tats and an old affiliation with a Fullerton barrio gang, his story is sure to be challenged.
Here’s the synopsis.
On August 11th, Fullerton resident David Tovar was riding his bike on Valencia Ave. when an unknown truck sped up behind him. Fearing for his safety from the unknown persons in the vehicle, Tovar veered off. The truck chased him down an alley just east of Harbor Boulevard, and then across Harbor and rammed him from behind. He was knocked him off his bike, his head striking the concrete curb. He was unconscious. He later discovered that the driver and passengers were undercover Fullerton cops in an unmarked car who pursued him because he had no light on his bike!
Well, that’s his story.
Here’s an interview with Tovar.
Naturally, we here at the FFFF City Desk, are in hot pursuit of any witnesses, so stay tuned! If anybody in the vicinity of Harbor Blvd. and Ash Ave. on August 11th saw this incident, we would like to get your story.
We will also be inquiring about any such event logged in by the FPD and see if any of this story might be true.
Was his shirt covering his tats? If so, oh holy crud….
Once again, if I were being pulled over, stopped, or being approached by an FPD Officer, I would call 911 for my own safety. I was ask the 911 operator to record the events so there you have evidence of what happened.
Tell the 911 officer you fear for your safety and fear being wrongly arrested based on the following:
• The FPD have officers that, while on duty, have sexually attack citizens;
• The FPD have officers that, while on duty, have been charged with murder;
• The FPD have officers that, while on duty, have beaten an innocent man to death . . . but for video evidence the FPD would have gotten away with this murder and they might still. It is said the FPD officers joked about the beating afterwards, at least until they realized the public was not going to let this event go unchallenged.
• The FPC have officers that, while on duty, have attacked, beat and arrested an innocent citizen (Mam) and charged him with assault and knowingly falsified/lied on a police report about the events. But for private video evidence Mam would have been convicted. Only after the private video evidence did the FPD admit they were wrong but claimed to have made a simple mistake. Right.
• There are many more criminal acts committed by FPD officers , a list too long to post here.
In all the events above only video evidence kept the FPD Officers from getting away with criminal acts.
The point is this: The FPD has lost all moral authority to be in a position of trust to be officers of the court and arrest people. It is now legitimate to question EVERY FPD action . . .why would a people wish to be policed by such a group ?
Additionally, the FPD have recently allowed Hampton, who beat innocent man and tried to have him imprisoned, to return to work . . . cleared of all wrong doing. Such sends a clear message to me that the FPD has not changed regardless of any comments to the contrary.
One way to protect yourself against these “officers of the court” is to call 911 whenever you are approached by the FPD for any reason and request an independent third party police officer to come to the scene and monitor the interaction with the FPD. Also have 911 to stay on the phone and record the event.
In light of all of the above such a request seems very reasonable.
Such will also establish a clear record of the people who have no confidence in the FPD, information that should be useful to those in control of determining who will be the police in Fullerton.
What you are saying is true and good advice; but the problem is that when these roving packs of thugs find a suitable victim, usually the victim is too intimidated to do much. People need to be out in twos or threes to prevent this stuff.
Some city leaders are starting to get the balls to scrap police departments, and this Camden Police department did not have anything close to the culture of corruption as does the FPD.
Go figure.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/24/camden-nj-to-reboot-police-department-by-new-year/#ixzz24e3FPNvM?test=latestnews
Crime-ridden Camden, New Jersey – often referred to as the most dangerous city in the United States—is getting rid of its police department.
In the latest example of a cash-strapped municipality taking drastic measures to deal with swollen public sector liabilities and shrinking budgets, the city plans to disband its 460-member police department and replace it with a non-union “Metro Division” of the Camden County Police. Backers of the plan say it will save millions of dollars for taxpayers while ensuring public safety, but police unions say it is simply a way to get out of collective bargaining with the men and women in blue.
“This is definitely a form of union-busting,” Camden Fraternal Order of Police President John Williamson told FoxNews.com. “This method is unproven and untested, to put your faith in an agency that doesn’t even [yet] exist.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/24/camden-nj-to-reboot-police-department-by-new-year/#ixzz24hDLXDak
You saying that a 911 operator will respond to these requests? Can you verify that they have protocols to deal with the type of 911 call you outline?
Not 100% sure how a 911 operator would react. A friend of mine call 911 to have them monitor a police stop in his city and they did.
They did not send out another cop to my knowledge but they did monitor the call during the stop.
In any event, it does not really matter what 911 does. Best case they would monitor the call and send out an independent non-FPD officer to monitor the stop. But even if they do not, there will be a call log of you asking for same. Might help some.
Just stay home, pussy.
back away from the computer boy — you must be older than 13 to be here — go ask your mom if you can stay up late and act out…. sad little guy….
When did “tats” become illegal or a reason for police to attack someone?
Exactly right — those who shoot first and don’t even ask questions later must know something the normal, well-adjusted person doesn’t…..
It’s possible, I suppose — but I have serious doubts, as this would be a conspiracy to commit murder.
Given that this story is tagged as “Strange but True,” I presume that *you* don’t have doubts? Well, OK, then!
Well, seeing that they’ve already murdered Kelly Thomas, what’s to stop them from conspiring and running down yet another victim??? I wouldn’t doubt it for one New York minute! It’s more than “possible”, it’s PROBABLE. They have NO competent leadership; they are rogue thugs who need to be put in jail! I think everyone should be out with their video cameras — at least they know we will be watching and ready to provide these videos when called upon IN COURT. Where’s the dashcam from the thug mobile?
You sad little pork product.
Speaking of dumpster diving, what dumpster did Tony fish this Tovar turd out of?
Tony doesn’t dumpster dive, you’re confusing someone who gives a shit with people like you who eat shit.
Oh, that’s right, tony can afford to pay others to do his dumpster diving for him.
Confusing insults with argument again? Gotta go with your strength.
That’s you isn’t it Tony? Tony? You’re not taking my calls Tony! Why are you saying that Tony! I can’t keep track of all the names he’s using… he’s in the bushes outside my house! TONY!!! TONY!!! TONY!!!!
Oh, I’m really going to enjoy THIS line of satire. Go with it! I’m pretty sure that it will not end well.
I don’t have Tony’s number, though I could get it easily enough. I’ve met him once, at the first Anaheim P.D. rally in late July. Didn’t see him at the next two.
My guess is that it really galls you that Tony never even deigns to respond to your little party partisan hack scribblings.
Of course Bushala is actually getting things done, effecting positive change.
You, on the other hand, sit around all day in your jammies tapping out blog posts that nobody reads.
I think that Tony responds often, actually, but since this is Anonymous Coward Central I guess I’ll never know.
Tony’s buying elections. That doesn’t take any positive trait except having money. It’s change; whether it’s positive or not is up for debate (at least outside of the Bushalafication Church.)
Someone said recently that this site gets about what, 5000 posts a day? A story of mine from Thursday night got 2500 hits from registered members of another site, which usually translates into about 25,000 readers overall. If you want to pick a “nobody reads” fight, you’ve chosen the wrong target.
Whoops! My reply is on moderation. Here’s an amended version:
I think that Tony responds often, actually, but since this is Anonymous Coward Central I guess I’ll never know.
Tony’s buying elections. That doesn’t take any positive trait except having money. It’s change; whether it’s positive or not is up for debate (at least outside of the Bushalification Church.)
Someone said recently that this site gets about what, 5000 posts a day? A story of mine from Thursday night got 2500 hits from registered members of another site, which usually translates into about 25,000 readers overall. If you want to pick a “nobody reads” fight, you’ve chosen the wrong target.
I know that Tony secretly likes me. Everybody reads almost everything I write and I got 7 million blog hits the other day on a story about how everybody likes me and reads all of my longwinded and poignantly pointless rambling. I know this is true because I wrote it down, and that argument is compelling, because it is mine. Everybody is a coward except for me, because blogging in support of establishment figures and the dominant political party takes real guts, unlike for example taking on a police department, which is the most cowardly thing a person can possibly do.
Tony isn’t buying me anything and even if he tried he couldn’t buy me an election. That isn’t a positive because I don’t get anything out of it. There is a Diamondification Church and I am the reverend, pastor, rabbi and imam at it, which makes me the messiah I think. But I would never claim that because I’m modest to a fault. Bitches. And I would never use the word bitches because it lowers the whole discourse and I am all about endless discourse from here to eternity.
Someone said the other night that Gin Flory drinks about 2000 shots of Boodles a day. I also use the word “I” over 17,893 times per day on an average day, although on special occasions “I” counts reach as high as 947,837,211. If you want to pick a fight with a nobody you’ve chosen the right target.
The last one was better. Keep working on it.
🙂
And why, at this point, should FPD be given the benefit of any doubt?
NO. There is no doubt to be given.
Hey asshole, read streets of fullerton’s story, below. The cops are at at the scene and this guy had half his face scraped off.
Looks like your FPD Heroes may have more ‘splainin’ to do.
BTW, speaking of Heroes, whatever happened to Bova’s Hero Award?
This guy either fell or was knocked off of his bike. Of course he had a good chance of being scraped. That’s true regardless of whether they bumped him, let alone threatened his life by doing so intentionally.
By all means, it should be investigated. If they had that sort of overreaction to a slight infraction, there should be firings. But I absolutely do have doubts about the story. You don’t? OK, that’s your business. Make this an election issue!
“If they had that sort of overreaction to a slight infraction, there should be firings.”
Good heavens, why is that? Perhaps they acted withing established FPD normative behavior, like your boys Ramos and Wolfe.
That’s actually a good question! Want a serious answer, or would it be wasted on you?
Hint: I’d need to be able to distinguish the two situations. I can.
“I have serious doubts” – its still all about you. Not about the victims. Nope. This is why you are a fake, pretend liberal. You don’t actually care about the victims of police violence or the encroachment of the police state on everyday life. You’re a fraud Diamond. Now write a long pointless blog post about yourself in response, full of legalese and pointless nitpicking.
Yes, I do care about the victims of police violence. I just don’t credit every story someone tells as automatically being true. Talk to enough witnesses and you learn that lesson. If they did what he said deliberately, it is terrible and heads should roll. (If they hit him accidentally and then lied about it, it’s still terrible.) But I’m not convinced — and for someone on FFFF (probably one of the editors pretending to be a liberal, from the sound of it) to be complaining about having some skepticism is funny.
On your scorecard I put down “thinks that to express your doubts is making something ‘all about him'” and “doubting the veracity of a story is “pointless nitpicking.” Pretty solid effort at being a nutjob there, champ!
“I just don’t credit every story someone tells as automatically being true.” So, when confronted with the facts about Flory and her idols, Jones, Bankhead and McKinley. you defend her. why?
Unless it comes from one of our lovely lady Democrats – Sanchez, Quirk, or Flory. Then the nonsense tumbleth from the mouth of God, on High.
Thanks for asking. It’s because what I’m confronted with often isn’t facts. For example, I have no reason, at all, to think that they are “her idols.” Other people in the Bushalification Church will let you get away with that nonsense; I’ll challenge it, which is “defending her.”
“It’s possible, I suppose — but I have serious doubts, as this would be a conspiracy to commit murder.”
Are you that naive?
OK, Jane — given that the Fullerton Police would have the opportunity, if they really wanted to murder people, to do something like this pretty much every day, and yet they don’t do it, how do you see wanting to set a higher standard of proof when the accusation is that they decided to go out and maybe kill this guy for nothing on this particular day is “naive”?
You want to believe the worst uncritically, fine. Don’t demand praise for it.
Yeah Tony! Don’t demand praise for it! TONY!! TONY!!
Actually, it has literally never occurred to me that Jane H might be Tony. While it’s possible, I tend to doubt it. Fred, etc.? Well, yeah.
So do you think that Tony only writes here as “admin,” despite his being a decent writer and extremely interested in the content? Probably not, right? But he doesn’t write under his own name, so his other writing must be under the names of one, two, or even many sock puppets.
Now go ahead and make fun of me because he’s hiding under a rock. Yeah, let’s see this one play out.
(I think that Tony’s too smart to do what you just did, by the way.)
Sometimes as I argue with others who are really myself who may be others who may be Tony or others who are myself or are unhinged I lose track of all time and space and float in a strange and beautiful universe of my own design … Its magical up there. With Tony.
I have to admit that there’s a certain poetry in what you say.
Given that the FPD has a history or abuse, lies and cover-up, I am going to give David Tovar the benefit of the doubt and believe him.
And I do not believe that the police decided to go out and kill Tovar, but that didn’t stop them from running the guy down nonetheless.
“You want to believe the worst uncritically, fine. Don’t demand praise for it.”
Demand praise? That’s an odd thing to say.
I don’t believe the worst; I brace myself for the worst.
You know, we’re not entirely disagreeing. I’m giving him sufficient benefit of the doubt to agree that we absolutely do need to see a serious investigation (and to bang the drum once again for Jane Rands’s Citizens Commission proposal.)
What I’m not willing to do is to credit his story, at this point, with probably (let alone definitely) being true. Hence, “doubts.” Your scenario in ¶2, for example, is plausible.
See? Common ground!
TO Greg Diamond : wake up and quit the chitty chat. The POLICE STATE has means, motive and the power to hide ALMOST all the crimes they commit against human beings within their JURISDICTIONS. We don’t live in the times when the local policeman walked around the neighborhood and could be trusted. Anybody who believes they can trust a cop these days without vetting them first is crazy.Gee I wonder what magical PR campaign the FPD’s worst will do for this attempted assassination hit. They won’t have to work too hard the guy has some past “gang” issues going on. This is really just the type of person the Masonic Illuminati connected FPD looks for. This type of target is easy to minimize,demonize,and neutralize and the naive fucking white gavacho population believes whatever the police say. And YES, BTW it is a racial thing, that is also in the mix. FEED YOUR MIND RISE UP.
Well said.
You know Greg, I really have tried to like you and have been tolerant of the majority of your psycho babble, however you really are a horse’s ass.
I’m so flattered to hear that you’ve “tried to like me”; I’d have never guessed, but maybe I’m just mixing you up with Fullerton Harpoon, Fullertonista, Fullerton Shadow, Fulllerton Savage, Fullerton Voice, Fullerton Eyeball, Fullerton Spleen, Fullerton Mucus, Fullerton Sipowicz, Jan Flory’s Fullerton, Real Fullerton Liberal, Fullerton Flurry, Fullerton Indian, Fullerton Mexican, Fullerton Frog, Fullerton Cleveland, Mr. Fullertonbody, The Desert Fullerton, and Fullerton Divin’ Diamond.
If Tovar’s story eventually falls apart, am I still a “horse’s ass”? If not, do I get an apology?
Ahsaid shaddup, Tony!
“Fullerton Indian, Fullerton Mexican,”
Racist prick!
You know, maybe you’re right about “Fullerton Indian.” Have you ever heard that phrase before? Should something be done about it?
I thought a Fullerton Indian was someone who went the FUHS.
Right. blogga didn’t know that.
No. I’ve decide that based on the contents of your callous comments that the horse’s ass designation still sticks regardless of the outcome.
Congratulations!
You earned it all on your own.
If I were really mean I’d link to and quote what you wrote today about Jan Flory’s face looking like she’s talking out of the side of her ass (whatever that means.) But as a courtesy, I will simply allude to it.
I’ll post this link which will help you clarify what I truly meant to say about what I think about yours and Jan Flory’s opinion.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Talking%20out%20of%20his%20ass
It’s “talking out of the side of” that puzzled me. Whatever did you have in mind?
Wow Greg, I must admit I chuckled at your creativity with all of those Fullerton names above, but after reading ALL of your comments it’s sometimes difficult to know where you stand.
So why is it you do not like Tony Bushala? Or do you?
He doesn’t like anyone who isn’t a fellow Democratic party flack. However, the feeling is mutual and no cause for concern.
I think that the sorts of Democratic hacks who want to dole out money to corporations dislike me a whole lot more than you guys do. That why I initially thought that I and people here would get along — but there’s such a party line here!
Wrong Guy… Greg Diamond = Horse’s Ass
Trust me on this one.
I think he said it a few times. He just doesn’t think it’s right that someone can buy a city and attempt to have city leaders make decisions based on TBush’s desires and requests.
Any time you want to know where I stand, just ask.
I very much admire what Tony did to pursue the Kelly Thomas case. I think that he ended up making an argument from a “black and white” perspective (such as that all six cops should be charged with murder) that was politically useful but just flat-out ignorant of the law — but that’s how things go. I agree with his social libertarianism as well.
I think that when it comes to anti-union issues he’s a fanatic and when it comes to issues of government he’s basically a selfish nihilist. There’s plenty to criticize in public government and I’m open to those criticisms. But using it all as a way simply to cut the taxes of the rich is dishonest.
I think that Fullerton politics benefits from having the FFFF perspective on council. While I disagree a lot with Sebourn, for example, I respect his demeanor and his care. My problem is: what happens when FFFF has a Council majority. My concern was that it would overplay its hand and attempt all sorts of stupid and destructive ideological actions — and it pretty much has. So that’s a nuanced position, but I hope that it generally explains where I stand.
This guy claims he was run down for no bike light and Kelly died because he didn’t give them his name. I still wonder why they chose blue shirts instead of black and red.
They liked the “thugs for hire” legality of it all, as well as the awesome paycheck/bennies….. at this point, I believe this story IS true unless they give reason for it not to be — which at this time, I think they cannot.
We need names and badge numbers folks!
We need Citizen patrols with no less than two folks per patrol, who, when they hear sh!t going down on their police radios, to immediately go right TO the action to video it and witness it. Sad we need to patrol the cops we pay to protect us… 🙁
I think we also need to make a positive identification of the white truck, and the driver behind the wheel, at the time that the truck struck Mr. Tovar.
Confirm through the vehicle registration who owns this vehicle, and will therefore legally responsible for Mr. Tovar’s medical costs, as well as his pain and suffering for such a malicious act.
I have a feeling that’s going to be the citizens of Fullerton who will be on the hook…again.
I’m fine with an investigation. So, since I’m merely doubtful about Tovar’s story and others are convinced that he’s telling the truth, can I get 100:1 odds on my betting that he isn’t? How about 1000:1? You guys seem SO SURE, after all.
Cults just HATE doubt.
You instinctively favor the dominant police line, invariably. That’s why you’re such a fraud. You’re a lackey for state oppression, and you don’t even know it.
If you think that expressing doubts over Tovar’s story of a pack of police intentionally knocking him off of his bike etc. — not rejecting it outright, but just expressing doubts — then you need to get your judgment re-calibrated.
I’ve helped to plan and execute a protest rally against excessive force within the past month, putting my butt on the line. What have you done that so “non-fraudulent”? Faker.
so if he’s brown his story is made up fantasy?
Is that so gregory?
typical republican faux news fool.
White racist pig.
I think that someone could legitimately come up with a more charitable interpretation of my comment, don’t you?
So where is Goodrich on this one? Where is Hughes? Greg get us some answers. You have high hopes for November. Take the high road. I am thoroughly convinced that you are far beyond a doubting Thomas. Sitting on the fence for so long has its health risks Greg. The older pressure treated wood contains arsenic. Get down off of that 4×4 for once you can get back up later.The newer wood uses copper and is much safer.
I’ve never spoken to Goodrich and have spoken to Hughes just once, as I recall, since Occupy Fullerton left. I’m not a good source for what they think.
I don’t understand the rest of your comment. Please don’t bother to explain.
“Cults just HATE doubt.”
That’s just dumb Greg.
If you say so. I’ll be more specific: the Bushalification Church hates doubt.
Gee, Greg. If I didn’t know better you’ve become obsessed with Tony Bushala. All of your posts now seem to have his name in them at least once. Lonely?
Jealous.
Have you counted them? ‘Cuz I don’t think that’s even remotely true.
I didn’t start reading this blog because of Tony. I came here because of Kelly Thomas. Now that I know about him, I see that he is more than his money.
Fullerton’s transformation and their battle against corruption is a good fight, one that should have us all paying attention. Maybe this will be the light we need to put a stop to our expanding police state.
I love the police state, Jane. Let me explain why in 7 million words or less.
I love the police state because it allows me to express my reservations about the police state through a series of nuanced arguments about why the police bashing the fuck out of some guy’s face is totally justifiable at some times, whereas at other times it is only permissible for the police to slightly bash the fuck out of somebody’s face. But I don’t expect you to understand that, because you’re all members of a cult that believes that bashing the fuck out of somebody’s face is generally objectionable. Your leader pays you all thousands of dollars to believe this. Thus you are a cultish echo chamber.
Also, I like the police state because its existence allows me to moderate between it and other political factions, which gives me huge brownie points, and sometimes legal fees.
Beyond this I have a personal liking for the police state because deep down inside I love order and power, and my political cronies and I are looking to get in power where we will need to have plenty of force to enforce order.
Finally, I enjoy cordial relations with the police because I may need their union’s support in political races and certainly my friends and fellow travelers, err, party-members will. And that’s the most important consideration by far.
So, because of this, the police state is fine, and all you 4Fers who were stirred to take back your city because of abusive and brutal policing and corruption in government can either get Jan Flory shirts and join me in doing absolutely nothing or go fuck yourselves.
Jane, Jane, Jane — it’s not about “the police state.” It’s about lowering taxes on rich people. Kelly was just an excuse to get you in here. You should really read the comments more critically — it’s about union-busting, slashing public pensions, and bankrupting the city. It’s an argument from people who think that government is bad but warlords are kinda badass.
Now, “unredacto” — actually, I believe that it’s my opponent, the Ackerman-style Republican, who has the support of the police unions last I checked. (I didn’t seek it.) I’m the one who faced off cops in three cities trying to clear space for public protest.
As I’ve said, Cicinelli the face-smasher belongs in jail, so you should really come up with a different line of attack. The charming notion hereabouts that somehow moving from FPD to the OCSD is somehow striking a blow against the “police state” is interesting, but it’s even more weird.
“The charming notion hereabouts that somehow moving from FPD to the OCSD is somehow striking a blow against the “police state” is interesting, but it’s even more weird.”
I never said that. You jumped to conclusions.
I didn’t attribute it to you specifically. You’re one of the less “fly off the handle into crazyland” FFFF commenters.
Like the Cult of Obama? You Dems are lousy with cult-like credence.
Take, for instance, the hare-brained clothes horses like Galloway, Quirk and Sanchez that you elevate into actual thinking human beings who know the first thing about anything, except maybe where to get a good pedicure.
Geez James Cameron, you really hate women!
Incorrect. I am disgusted by brain-dead politicians of all sexes. It just so happens that the only three idiots who have gotten themselves elected in North OC are female. Include Chaffee if it makes you feel any better.
All three would have to admit to being snappy dressers. I think that any of them are “actual human thinking human beings” enough to knock your argument out of the park — if you had the guts to attach your own name to it.
Thinking? Thinking of what? The next manicure?
You’re really a sexist asshole, you know. No wonder you’re skeered to use your real name.
Flory is certainly a snappy dresser. If you mean by snappy, wearing shower curtains.
Women in animal stripes frighten you?
its clear to me that the good folks of fullerton have forgotten kelly thomas and his death at the hands of fullerton police and because of this case the police will be desperatly trying to cover this up fullerton police are violent and dangerous murderers
No one on this board has forgotten Kelly Thomas.
Kelly Thomas who?
He simply fell of his bike. He’s a gang-banging turd that can’t ride well at high speed. Who gives a rats ass about this punk? It’s a good thing he landed on his face.
On the evening of possibly august 11th ( it seemed about a week ago) at about 9:30 I was at the bus stop talking to two homeless men when I heard police sirens going going under the underpass at harbor. Shortly after that I told the two individuals I was talking to that I was going to go check out what was going on. I rode my bike down the sidewalk on the east side to a little past the am pm gas station . I saw about 6 police officers there. 5 of them talking behind a black truck with the driver door open with a small bmx bike in the street in front of it .and one talking to a man with half of his face covered in blood the other half ok. I stopped for less than a minute when one of the younger rookie looking cops looked across the street at me for a moment. I felt a bit uncomfortable and began walking my bike back north on harbor as I did not have a headlight on my bike. AS I walked I saw a police car parked at the carwash hanging over onto the sidewalk. Feeling that this would bring me into a conversation with the police I walked back toward the accident scene feeling even more uncomfotable knowing I was walking back toward the scene. I waited about 30 seconds across from the area of the scene when all the cops looked over suddenly. I kid you not, the young rookie officer pointed his arm and finger straight at me for about two seconds and all the police looked at me expressionless.It seemed kind of comical at my first instinct but then not so when I saw they weren’t motioning to me or smiling. I was tempted to wave but didn’t want to engage in any possible confrontation. The surprised me because ususaly when a cop points he motions with his finger to ” come here”. I then walked back north and the police car had moved from the carwash to about 50 ft. back and parked along the curb on the other side of the street. I told the __ taxi , a driver who frequents the train station about this that evening imeadiatly after it happened that night. He said possibly but they where looking the same way I was. I told his it was kind of creepy the one cop pointed me out . It made me feel like they were warning me. He was trying to figure out what happened as I indicated only one injured person but a truck and a bike in front of it.from what I was saying and said it sounded like the man who hit the bicycle rider was in the back of the police car.
I knew better than going down there as a couple of years ago I was looking at another incident along that same area of road and I was on a scooter that night. The police did pull me patted me down on my sides and my front as if I had sompthing hidden under my shirt . One of the motorcycle cops kicked my scooter down the sidewalk. After many question I assertively and politely asked why I was being detained and one of the police said it was because I crossed the street without a headlight. This confused me as they had just swung around from an area across the street where they were writing jaywalking tickets. Officer Warner said I have your name on my pad and it will be on file at the police department for the rest of your life. I had this sick feeling because I had not at that moment understood why they where treating me this way. I later rembered one of the officers mentioning “wasn’t I down on harbor earlier that evening.” I realized that mabey they thought I was watching them. Althought I had been assertive yet polite I was told upon leaving there althought I made no indication of making a comlaint, ” when I go down to file a complaint,….. ” Officer Warner( it was hard for me to forget his name after that night) was guessing I would based on what had tranpired. That incident bothered me so much I never was out on my scooter after 11:00 after that night.
Awesome for you to come forth and make the statement; you need to sit down with someone, write this out and video tape it. We need to get the names of these thugs out to the public asap.
Fake post!
Even the supposed victim says within the first 30 seconds of the video that it was 11:45PM, not 9:30 as this poster claims.
Shhhhh. Let all this be fact. It’s part of the game here.
Yeah if we could just get everyone together and review this case a few times to get our story stright, we wouldn’t have this kind of troub- oh nevermind.
Lol. Brilliant. Maybe we will get to watch the video, too.
Troll
Who’s the troll? The one who makes a snarky, yet pointed and relevant, comment about the fake post by streets of fullerton, or streets of fullerton?
Pointed and relevant to whom?
Dear Cold Chillin — I hope it is a fake posting! But, with all the crap that the fine officers in blue have been putting Fullerton through in recent years; wouldn’t it be prudent to have the attitude: let’s look into this. FPD simply can’t afford to be anything less than meticulously complete in investigating this alleged incident.
Its easy to get the names. The “accident” is on the log and who were in the 3 or 4 other patrol cars that came to the “aid” of the police undercover truck. If this is not on the log, then city council, {yes Kriger, time to work}, needs to directly ask the ACTING police chief who would like to be named permanently. If he cannot answer, it means he has no control of how his department is run and should be made UNACTING – back to Captain and asked to retire! The boss needs to know what is going on. Tats or no Tats! Hey Jeremy at the SlideBar has lotsa tats!
Yes Tuco it’s all very simple. But its’ much more fun to make stuff up or assume like here, then we can all run with the big conspiracy theory. The other way is boring.
Troll.
Dear God, I hope your not a Fullerton cop!
THE DISPATCHER WILL TELL YOU TO GO TO HELL AND THE FPD WILL DESTROY YOUR CELLPHONE. GET REAL.RAMOS AND CINNELLI WILL WALK. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. FPD OWN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS CITY, WHICH MEANS THEY OWN US.
Perhaps, but there should be a “LOG entry” in the 911 file where you requested them to record the action between you and the FPD. Unless the FPD and police union have corrupted 911 also and I doubt such to be true.
Such 911 “LOG entry” item should cause others to at least question what happend if something goes wrong.
Having 911 record the event is best, having 911 record you requesting them to record the event is better than nothing even if 911 says no.
I agree. Investigate this.
but I thought life-long Fullerton resident and executive director of the Orange County Human Relations Commission, Rusty Kennedy, ensured the community of Fullerton’s civil rights would be protected or at least vindicated by his commission dedicated to promoting better police-community relations. Why, in 1999, when Pat McKinley”bedroom city commando” was Fullerton’s police chief(1993 to 2009), Rusty Kennedy awarded Fullerton Police Chief McKinley with a thousand dollars and a shiny certificate for most improved police-community relations implemented by the Fullerton PD.
I’m still creeped out that the Editor of the only newspaper that Fullerton has is Rusty Kennedy’s sister and Jan Florys good friend, Sharon Kennedy.
Nothing objective about that and sort of reminds me of how the Nazi’s and Dr. Joseph Goebbels used the media to influence the populace.
Hey, let’s call in Rusty Kennedy to tell the FPD what a great job they’re doing!
VIDEO EVIDENCE IS WORTHLESS. EVEN WITH VIDEO PROOF THE FPD ANIMALS WALK.
Washa’all starin’ at? Go ‘way.
They’r lyin’ on m’boys agen…
their are three sides to every story; his or hers, theirs and the truth, choose one.
The obvious problem here is his personal lack of credibility. Someone needs to come forward and backup his claim. I would also like to see the results of a properly administered polygraph exam.
Tony, how much did tovar’s story cost you? Did you pay him in cash or Budweisers?
^^^^^troll alert
Wheres my Tommy Burger?
This is already being investigated. The vehicle in question is a four door black Dodge truck solely driven by Danny boys “gang unit.”. You know the unit made up of ALL white officers who are suppose to reach out and connect with the Hispanic youth. Danny boy made up these details just to contact minorities in the barrio. Hey if KT died bcuz of suspected stolen mail why shouldn’t this guy for not having a bike light? When will they ever learn!!!
I cannot confirm or deny this is being investigated but what I can tell you is the Officer being investigated is the same one who drank beers on duty during the lunch break of the KT training and most recently got drunk downtown and called FPD for a police cruiser to take him home. And when this investigation is over I cannot confirm or deny any discipline but this officer will be promoted like Goodrich..carry on!
You could, using FFFF standards, be making that up, but if you actually have evidence of that sort you should get it out through multiple channels.
Got any names of the officers in this unit?
They won’t ever learn about real bicycle safety! You NEED a light on your bike at night to be seen by vehicles……how else can a driver make sure he hits your gang-banging ass?
Oh my gosh!
My family and neighbors just finished watching the video of Mr. Tobar’s testimony. This is beyond disturbing.
We have some questions:
Why hasn’t this video clip been distributed to the media or has it? I’m about ready to send it off myself. I’d really like the adm of this site to respond to this. It’s been 2 weeks since the alleged incident.
Has Mr. Tobar been examined by a doctor? That would be another source of documentation, without over looking the obvious – he was in significant need of medical attention. I hope he’s recovering well. Please update us.
What about Travis and Bruce – have they seen this video? We want to know this.
All of us over here in North Fullerton will be watching and waiting for a reply to these questions.
Thank you.
He’s a hardcore gangster. He ran from the cops, he knew they were the cops. He ate crap on his bike and hit his head. He got a ticket (misdemeanor) for 148PC. He has a court date to appear. It’s all documented in the police report. It’s all in the police radio call. And it’s all on the DAR because Gennaco said it must be, of course unless they can’t hit their DARs in time!! Just another day in Fullerton boys!
GED… If Mr. Tobar is lying then we need the evidence. Your comment is not being taken lightly by us.
Who are you…are you a Fullerton Officier? What else can you provide to demonstrate Mr. Tobar is lying?
This is very interesting.
GED is a Troll. Pay no attention to the trolls.
“He is sowing DOUBT! DOUBT is the enemy!”
Explain to me then how does the suspect know that a couple of men in a 4 door black pick up that are chasing him are from law enforcement?
Good point. He doesn’t. Zing!
Maybe because they kept yelling “Stop resisting!” when he was lying motionless on the sidewalk? Or maybe it was because when he woke up there were donut crumbs in his face and the smell of pig shit hung in the air. Just a guess …
You got it. Finally.
I have a question, Why does the FPD need a big dodge truck, gas hog. I think, since we have such a low crime rate in the City. All the patrol cops should be driving “little black and white Smart Cars”. Save some gas money.
that’s a great idea, but many of them seem to be far too “large” to fit comfortably into smart cars…
True. Small cars are terrible with the gun belts, batons, guns, tasers, and hard earned bellies. Bellies are a bunch of money earned. Plus, most gang units and dope units utilize rental cars so the bad guys never know what they are driving until they are up on them and it’s too late. Tactics.
I had a real hard time understanding all of what Tovar said on the tape. I am not going to spend my time watching it a second time.
Let me just say that 6-8 years ago I would have totally ignored his claim. I would have just assumed this was a group of gangbangers out to kill a rival and that he was lying about the cops being out to intentionally hurt him.
But police behavior in OC since 2004 has totally changed my perspective on things. Before that time I was always very pro-cop.
There are my questions:
1) Did Tovar describe the vehicle or get any of the numbers off the front license plate?
2) Did he see any of the occupants in the truck?
If so, what was the description?
3) What led him to believe that they were after him because his bike light was inop?
4) What time of night did this happen? During the chase did he ride his bike past any business establishments that might have had a video surveillance camera? A good attorney could get ahold of those tapes.
Even with the proven ‘culture of corruption’ within FPD I am not going to lose my objectivity. They are not going to steal that from me. I am going to look at this as objectively as I can.
If the gang unit has a truck FPD could easily determine who signed out for the vehicle that night and who was assigned to it. And FPD could investigate. But I expect nothing from FPD. I expect nothing from Chief Hughes.
Unfortunatly Mr. Tovar will have to do all the work himself. We have learned that cops protect one another and refuse to take action against a bad one unless their backs are up against the wall and there’s no other choice.
At this point I am neither a believer or a disbeliever. But based on his story I think FPD has a responsibility to do a credible follow-up investigation. Fat chance.
It’s all very simple. If someone cares, i.e. Tovar, any of the other Toker gangmembers, or any of you, just hire Garo and if he thinks it has any merit he will hire private investigators and he will take the case. If he doesn’t think it has merit, he won’t touch it because it has no money attached to it. Garo’s peeps can get videos from any businesses because he will pay them for it.
FPD has a gang truck. I’m sure that if approached with the information, Danny will admit it was his boys. Does Tovar have a citation from the incident? If so, then there is documentation behind the entire incident with a court record coming up. If not, then there are issues if this occurred and they just blew it off and didn’t document it. That does sometimes happen in policework with hardcore gangsters because they know they screwed up running and they work a deal with the cops to provide information or just chalk it up as business. Gang units and gang members usually have a relationship that they work with everyday. Will be interesting to see what “truths” come out of this incident if someone actually looks into it. All it takes is money to hire an attorney and some PI’s to get the truths and basics of this incident.
“I’m sure that if approached with the information, Danny will admit it was his boys”
And what planet do you live on?
“All it takes is money to hire an attorney and some PI’s to get the truths and basics of this incident”
Once again, you’re missing the point here. Bonafide police department investigate possible criminal activity – whether those crimes are committed by civilians or cops within their own departments. It should not even require intervention from a law firm. In fact, possible crimes committed by their own should receive the highest priority for obvious reasons. A REAL police chief would not wait for an official complaint. Once he caught wind of this taped interview he would personally contact Tovar and invite him to HQ’s for a thorough debriefing followed by a complete internal investigation. Naturally the front bumper of the truck should’ve already been examined for suspicious markings, but if the gang truck was actually the vehicle in question no doubt whatever markings were on the front bumper have been wiped clean by this time.
GED – you are losing prior avid supporters in the community, buddy. Many of us stood by you through thick and thin. Today we view you with a jaundiced eye for very logical and rational reasons. You did it to yourselves. When we are called for jury duty no longer do we give you the benefit of the doubt like we used to. You did it to yourselves. Blame no one other than yourselves. The fact is that you can’t be trusted anymore. Moreso you are viewed like the thugs who you are paid handsomely to protect us from. It’s time to pull your profession from the gutter and start acting like the good, decent men and women of integrity, honor and wholesome values that you are expected to be. Then we wouldn’t question you. Got it?
New era. Danny knows the game plan in 2012.
Again. This is where you and I disagree. You are assuming that Tokar has gone through the process that is in place and filed a complaint, the complaint was brushed off, and nothing was done. You are also assuming that this gangster is telling all truthful information before you even confirmed that any part of it was true. Correct? At least admit that.
You can say what you want, and you always do, but most of the people in this world respect cops and appreciate the jobs that they do. Some don’t. You don’t. That’s fine. That’s what makes this world go round. If it was such a huge issue and so rampant as you suggest, then you would see more laws being changed and the profession being changed. What’s the hot topics with police right now? Pensions? So yes, there are bad cops out there. There always will be. But just because a gangster says someone is a bad cop doesn’t mean that’s a bad cop. Information has to be confirmed. Just because you say a cop is bad and should be fired, doesn’t mean that cop will be fired. You won’t be happy until the cop is fired, so then you get angry and say it’s a culture of corruption.
So confirm any part of this information you are claiming here, or that Tovar the gangster is claiming, and I”ll jump on your wagon. Until then, it’s one person making a claim. Treat it as that until you can confirm at least a portion of the facts. Until then, I expect all the cops in this world to enforce all the laws of this land equally. Bike light, registration, guns, and everything else. No one will tell a cop not to enforce a law on the books just because they feel it is petty.
Boring Saturday today as you can see.
You obviously don’t live in Fullerton, and if you do, your not watching or listening to how the residents perceive the FPD.
Don’t believe me? Watch and listen to the patrons in a restaurant when a Fullerton police officer walks in the door.
That’s not respect or admiration you’ll see from residents, it’s more like what kind of monster are you when you think no one’s paying attention?
I’m sure that their spouses are starting to think the same thing.
FPD is setting itself up to be monitored by federal monitors like Oakland. Tulsa PD is an example of a department that has, apparently, undertaken a serious self-examination on the heels of a federal corruption probe, and is an example of what FPD should attempt.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20120825_296_0_ATulsa380033
That’s a pretty good analysis and I agree that investigation is required. I think that you’re being too hard on Hughes, but we can disagree on that. It does point to why we do need a Citizen’s Review Commission.
“We?”
You don’t live here, so why do you say “we.” If Hughes is such a stand up guy we (those of us who actually live in Fullerton) wouldn’t need a commission.
My guess is Quirk and Florby will soon announce support of a commission.
“We people of North Orange County who travel in places where we would potentially have interactions with Fullerton Police.”
I hope that you’re right about SQS and JF! That would be a good reason to vote for them! Jane Rands is right about this.
That’s a good point. A weak commission and a chief trying to protect his own doesn’t make for a lot of reform. Just the pretense of it.
This is so sad with fullerton police department. I wish all the officers do the right thing and focus on more serious crime instead of looking for stupid minor fraction. FPD needs to get their act together. The people of FULLERTON depend on our local police however if they keep beating people to death or running people over why should we care? I have lost respect for FPD.
This is all Danny Hughes’ doing. Fullerton is a safe city until the cops show up… Change needs to come from the top sooner then later
FPD is hiding behind various state and county protections of their jobs. Thus there is no incentive to act any differently. That they lost respect is obvious. What they have been doing since last year has not gained anyone’s respect other than Jan Flory, a pterodactl who hobnobs with the 3 losing dinosaurs. Certainly no improvement there! Chief Hughes talks nice but there is essentially no change. Certain city council members talk nice but want the police union money to stay in office. Morals? Ethics? HAH! No change! Fullerton is rotting from within and voters need to get out and change things.
Just go Sheriffs tomorrow. You will see quickly how some things never change.
Yeah, that’s the kind of cop who should be an admin for one of the – if not the – most corrupt police departments in USA. Love to see your willingness to admit there’s a problem. NOT!
Same problem everywhere. Very small percent and the problem cops don’t last long. Just like drug dealers and gang members. They eventually all get caught. Just a matter of time. Bigger department like Sheriffs have more problems due to more members. Simple. Number of issues won’t go down in Fullerton, hopefully, they will just avoid a duty death but in researching OCSD they have plenty of shootings and deaths each month.
Yeah. Cicinelli and Ramos didn’t last long. Almost twenty years as cops but you’re always right Sgt. O’Malley, LOL!
The OCSD has over 3000 cops. Fullerton has only 145. Want to do a % comparison of shootings and excessive force cases?
Thought not. Hahahaha!
LOL!
that would be right and its about time things will change and they will and when the murderers go to jail for what they did to kelly thomas what your saying that if anyone goes there to complain they will get beaten is that what your saying cop
Ha nice try. Dumbazz.
sigh…..
Pterodactyl. Priceless.
Hello? Gangsters on bikes are the most dangerous crime there is. In cars also. No license plate light, tinted windows, expired registration, etc are all the violations that lead to getting the guns and getting them off the streets before they do the drive by, rob someone, or kill someone. Yes letting gangsters roam free unchecked is always an option but I dont’ think you will like that result in the end.
Out of control cops are 100x’s more dangerous than gangbangers. We expect gang behavior from bangers. We don’t expect it from cops who are paid top dollar by the system to protect our laws – not to violate them.
True. So get that small % of the dirty and bad cops out of the profession. Appreciate and respect the rest.
Not an easy task when you “good” cops lie because you are afraid of the repercussions. They might not let you play with them. Gang members don’t rat on each other, either. You had better start worrying about how we will retaliate against you. We are the good guys, so, it’s ok. Respect that.
That is not a “good cop.” That is just O’Malley with a new name. The writing style is always the same, Porky Pig, Oink, etc.
He has spent the past year bragging about how the reality is you can’t get rid of bad cops.
Just checked, Fred. You are 100% correct. This is one lonely, messed up creep.
He was also “Reality Is”
This is one lonely, messed up [cop].
The “small %” you refer to is wishful thinking. You’re trying to make a conclusion based on the number of officers publicly identified for criminal activity, but you don’t include the culture that allows criminals to thrive in the department.
That culture can only exist when it’s tolerated, if not encouraged, by the policies of the admin, and by silent partners whose refusal to report fellow officers makes them complicit. So the “small %” is in fact a very large %, like 100%, if no cops are busted by fellow officers.
You’re a crooked cop by not saying anything about what you know.
“You’re a crooked cop by not saying anything about what you know”
Bullseye, FOP.
That’s what I’ve been saying all along.
You cannot separate the bad cops from the cops who remain silent and refuse to publicly expose them. Both groups are rotten to the core. And the silent ones make up the large majority of the police force. Rotten = Rotten. Any which way you try to solve for the equation.
So the entire police force in the entire USA is corrupt then.
What now?
Not one good cop in the USA. How is it possible to fix that? You can’t fire them all and start over, because all of the new ones will turn out the same.
I guess just have no police anymore. That would be fun but so many people can’t defend themselves. They need the police.
What do we do?
Country is broke. State is broke. World is broke.
Have our military be the police? But the military has a large number of gang members mixed in the ranks and a majority of the military have GEDs which is clearly looked at as a negative here at FFFF.
We all have the answers and we are all never wrong. Problem is since we are all never wrong and we all have the right answers, how do we ever make any progress?
Our local and state and country leaders are the same way. They all have all the answers as well and they all know the right way.
I have the answer. There are no answers. We are what we are. We have to looks at all the positives and make the best of them.
The first answer is that we all aren’t perfect. We all don’t have the right answers even though we might think we do. Open your eyes. Open our eyes. Open our ears. Learn from other peoples opinions and value their opinions and advice. Share these opinions. We can make progress. We are humans. We have love. We have caring. Everyone is human. Cops. City leaders. Fire mans. All of us. We are all one. We need to prove it and show it. End the negativity. End the lies.
We know how to fix this. Fire every cop? Well, that’s up to you. There is no shortage of candidates. Are you willing to randomly drug-test; take and pass an annual polygraph; give up the ridiculous protections of the POBOR; not be organized like the military. We know how do this, we just have to reach that tipping point.
Aw, look. O’Malley wants to make nice. Cute. Lol!
wow I agree 100% with JustUS. Great post both JustUS and FOP Federal Oversight!
Someone (it can be a university or think tank) needs to do a study of police departments that have been forced into federal oversight to see what the root causes are. I bet some similarities will be found and could prove useful in including these under RICO act. Wow, that would cause some clean ups!
The silent co-conspirators are even worse than their criminal counterparts – their silence is what gives the murderers and rapists on the department license to commit their crimes.
They’re undetectable as they operate in the shadows, out of reach of laws that are designed to punish behavior, not inaction.
If this fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizen had any real claims he would have already found an attorney to represent him in a case against the city. The attorney would eventually release still photos of the injuries, and he never would have allowed his client to release the video.
Didn’t any of you note his rather vague recitation of what allegedly occurred? Be suspicious of any story that lacks specifics.
Also, please explain to me how a vehicle would be able to hit the rear tire of a bicycle, resulting in the ejection of the rider, without the vehicle running over the bicycle? Human reaction time is not fast enough in order for a vehicle to stop quick enough to avoid this.
Mr. Toker Town Gang Member’s story defies the laws of physics.
“If this fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizen had any real claims he would have already found an attorney to represent him in a case against the city.”
Apparently you’ve never hired an attorney. They require something called money (you know that stuff that grows on trees that they give you every two weeks?). And since the kid was riding a bicycle we can assume his money isn’t plucked, it’s earned the old fashioned way.
“The attorney would eventually release still photos of the injuries, and he never would have allowed his client to release the video.”
How you can make such a claim being that you’re just a donut-chewing slob who rides around looking for people to kill? I just love unfair characterizations, don’t you?
“Didn’t any of you note his rather vague recitation of what allegedly occurred?”
Didn’t you notice the swollen right wrist? The deep gash and contusions and abrasions all over his body? Do you have any idea how much pain he was probably in considering he most certainly doesn’t get paid a living wage, and was probably suffering from broken bones as he spoke? You’re worse than pathetic, you’re probably one of the people in that truck who is coming on here gloating about your handiwork.
“Also, please explain to me how a vehicle would be able to hit the rear tire of a bicycle, resulting in the ejection of the rider, without the vehicle running over the bicycle?”
Gladly. Cops who ride around at night like unsupervised teenagers have plenty of time to figure out how slow one needs to be going to collide with a bicycle without killing its rider.
The Dodge Ram has 17″ rims and P265P17 tires. That puts the forward part of the bumper about 10 to 12 inches above the pavement. The bicycle tires are 24 to 26 inch diameter, which means the rim at its most rear facing point is 12 to 13 inches above the pavement. This puts the bumper of the truck in line with the rear tire of the bike – easily explaining how the rider would be ejected off the bike as he claims in the video.
His explanation of how it did happen is far and away more realistic and believable than your attempt to explain how it couldn’t have happened.
“Mr. Toker Town Gang Member’s story defies the laws of physics.”
No, Mr Choker Town Gang Member, your story is the one that defies belief.
Thumbs down on you.
The best idea would be for Tony or some of his boys to buy some gangsters camera systems for their bikes and cars. You wanna see how gangsters roll? Get some gangsters to do that for you. That could be a whole new reality show actually. But be careful. The gangsters might jack you for all of your money and cameras, or kill you, or rape you, and then you wouldn’t call the police because you don’t trust them, so what then? Oh well, you did a good deed or tried to at least.
Your mentality speaks volumes.
Geezis dummy, thass O’Mallie. leave alone.
He’s a popular guy in these parts.
It’s only a matter of time before Tony starts putting gangbangers on his payroll.
Like FPD?
Yes. There are a few gangsters on every force. There are a bunch in the military. Just takes time to get them out. Actually most handle that themselves.
Tony has city employees on his payroll. He will have cops soon enough.
Bullshit. Name one instance where a cop has been removed from the force because he was reported for criminal activity by another member of the force.
Actually, I think a more likely scenario of that occurring, would be if we were to outfit the FPD with those $300 head cameras on their helmets while on duty.
In the business of police work there is nothing scorned more than a fellow cop who snitches off one of his own. Such a cop is ostracized and his career is over. He might as well resign. And his opportunity to transfer to another department is low since word travels fast.
I think it would be easier for a cop who violated someone’s civil rights and, as a result, got fired to find another job in police work than it would be for someone who publicly snitched off a fellow dirty cop.
The double standards in that line of business are deplorable.
Reminds me of LE in Mexico.
True. The only thing you are assuming again is that so many cops actually have all of this information and witness all of this corruption everyday. Even if a brain sensor could extract any corruption from every cops brain, most cops wouldn’t have anything to offer. Its not as rampant as you claim. You have to realize how many cops are actually present witnessing crimes by cops. Look at past California cop crimes. Most cops that make mistakes or choose to commit on and off duty crimes do so alone or with another cop. But in your eyes the whole PD would then be corrupt and they all knew about this corruption or crime. I agree there are cops that are bad but it’s no where near as rampant as you claim or lead people to believe.
“Most cops that make mistakes or choose to commit on and off duty crimes do so alone or with another cop.”
Sounds like you have intimate knowledge of how criminal cop operate. Either you got the info by being involved in it, or you heard someone bragging in the locker room and didn’t report it. That makes you a crooked cop by either count.
“But in your eyes the whole PD would then be corrupt and they all knew about this corruption or crime.”
Cops hear crooked cops bragging in the locker room every day, all of the the US. The Cato Institute has a website at policemisconduct.net that reports on crooked cops. I’ve been following the reports for years. I have never seen an instance of a cop being busted by reports of wrongdoing from another cop.
Silence is consent, if the crimes being bragged about aren’t being reported by fellow cops, then the entire department is guilty because of the culture that encourages silence.
“I agree there are cops that are bad but it’s no where near as rampant as you claim or lead people to believe.”
On the contrary, it’s far worse than we know about. Only the ones who get caught are reported. Just like the DEA reports they catch only small percentage of the volume of drugs coming across the border, the rapid increase in cop crimes in the last several years indicates the problem is growing, because we all know cops don’t rat on crooked cops.
Porky, falsifying an official report and perjury are crimes. IMO those are pretty serious crimes when perpetrated by those who are sworn to uphold the law. Those who work the criminal and civil court systems seem to believe that it’s not uncommon for cops to testilie. Are you saying that fellow cops would turn a cop in for falsifying a report or lying on the stand? I beg to differ. As a matter of fact, the Kelly Thomas case proved that cops convene after an incident to get their stories straight so that everyone is on the same page. Even Gennaco said so. The cops all watched the video together and edited their original reports. It was like a bunch of high school kids at a beer party looking over a stolen answer sheet for next week’s math test. That’s plain wrong, Porky. That alone should be a fireable offense and the supervisors who allowed it should be shown the door too. All of them know better than that. It was a function of the cover-up. Of the ‘culture of corruption’ that Gennaco refused to label as such because he knows what side of his bread is buttered on and who puts it there.
The system is corrupted from top to bottom. Even the watchdogs are corrupted.
My eyes have seen alot. I have never ever seen it this bad before. I think we’ve reached the tipping point and passed the point of no return. America has always been represented as the epitome of justice with ‘equality under the law’. In 2012 that’s total bullshit. And those of us who are truly patriots grieve over it.
As I said you are always right. No point in debating it. We disagree on many fronts and we agree on a few.
In some people eyes this whole world and system is corrupt and beyond repair. In others the system needs some minor repairs. In others the system is perfect.
Who is right?
We all are.
That’s what is so great about the USA. It will never be perfect. Either will we. We are humans.
It’s become progressively worse, Porky.
Especially with the ones who are assigned most responsibility in our society.
The fish rots from it’s head.
That is the fail safe indicator that the empire is dying, my friend.
To claim that they are minor problems illustrates to me that you are burying your head in the sand.
But the system has been kind to you. That’s all that matters. Screw the kids who are climbing the ropes, right?
Typical baby boomer mentality.
Sure. Whatever you say. Keep believing everything everyone says. See where it gets you. You will lose all credibility quickly.
You’ve already lost all credibility. Your unconditional support of the culture proves you’re more interested in PR than justice.
“Captain, sensors are picking up a crooked cop in the area.”
You are making assumptions that all cops are corrupt and all cops fail to turn in other cops. Prove it yourself. You are babbling nonsense that has no merit whatsoever.
You make everything sound so relative.
“Who is right? We all are.”
WTF?
Maybe you’ve have a few too many beers on your boat today.
Yes. You are right. You are also always right. And my name is Omalley and I have a boat and a dog too LOL
And a Mexican notched on your grip.Viva O’Malley, LOL!
LOL!!
Viva America!
Please just look at this sad excuse for a human being, Tatoos and gang member? And he’s accusing our fine police of running him off the road?
This is exactly the type of individual our brave men and women in the Fullerton PD fight day in, days out – street terrorists with their machine guns and armored vehicles. The only thing keeping Mr. Tobar from raping and pilliging is that Thin Blue Line.
My guess is he fell off his bike and hit his head and our boys came to see if they could help out.
No bike light at night? That’s a crime.
Remember: back the Thin Blue Line. Back The Badge!
ROTFLMAO!!!! Fell off his bike, hit his head and “our boys” came to see if they could help out? OMG hysterical! You need to do standup comedy — oh, wait you ARE lol
No, BACK THE PEOPLE — THAT’S how it should work!
And, “Sad excuse for a human being?” Who died and left YOU God? Oooh, the day of judgment will be interesting for YOU.
yeah thats because you probably did and just because he has tatoos that dosnt mean at all that he shouldnt be believed look what they did to kelly thomas and others so their actionsspeak for themselves
Back the badge really means: “Back the BUDGET!”. Pay out million dollar rewards for oops I killed the guy! Pay out $350,000 for oops our fellow cop molested girls in the squad car and we kept them on duty, and on and on and on. Oh yeah and we put the wrong guy on trial cause all vietnamese look the same! Oops, more payout coming! What a TROLL back the badge has become!
Police posting on this blog would have you believe cop crimes are rare – few and far between.
Look at the Cato Institute’s policemisconduct.net website and judge for yourself how rare cop crime is in the U.S.
Admin – it would be nice if you could put a link to the Cato Institute’s website so people can see that Fullerton isn’t the only city having problems. But it’s one of the worst.
FOP – and that only represents the number of cop crimes that have been uncovered.
Think about it. As experts in criminal justice, cops would know first hand about the mistakes criminals make to get caught and what criminals do to escape detection. Cops know which methods work and don’t work. So it stands to reason that the number of cop crimes that are detected and reported represent only a tiny percentage of the total number of crimes that cops commit.
Justus – cops are the hardest criminals to catch. They have collusion, corrupt culture, and a public that for the most part wants to believe the nonsense being spewed on this blog by PR hacks from FPD. At least street crooks don’t pretend to be good guys.
Cool.
Does the website also show stats for all the good cops do on all the other calls? Oh. Thought so. Biased web site. Standard.
Why don’t they “do good” on ALL of their calls, O’Malley?
Or are we supposed to be satisfied with a 40-60 split? Lol!
My name is Peter.
You should be satisfied with the 99.9%-.01% split.
You will get no better with humans.
Yeah, right. Peter Pan. Your silly claims are all fairy tales, too.
And what good have you done today, Fred?
Now you’re desperate. Do newspapers report the numbers of military personnel who aren’t killed each day? Do the papers report how many drivers safely commute each day? Do they report how many flights are made safely each day?
Your imbecilic response indicates you’ve boxed yourself into a corner with no way out. Care to try again, or are you afraid of digging yourself in deeper?
I always look at both sides. So yes, if I’m going to express an opinion as you and the others here do, I’m going to research the other side as well. So if I’m going to say that there is rampant police corruption, I’m going to compare it to the good cops as well. So if cops respond on 25,000 calls for service and contacts per year, how many of those contacts end up being corrupt or handled inappropriately. DOJ can provide similar stats so it’s not that hard to figure out. With the human element involved, you will always have mistakes made and issues present. So how often does it occur and why?
No i’m not in a corner. Still stand by the original statements.
Just admit it. You don’t want to admit the other side. YOu just want to deal with the side that favors your argument. Standard. Next?
You’re conveniently ignoring the number of cases that never get reported or investigated, which was the point of this thread. A reasonable figure is that only 10% of cop crimes are reported and prosecuted. Probably 30% are never prosecuted. That leave 60% as unreported, unprosecuted.
Now, with the abundance of portable video recorders like smartphones, the incidence of cop crimes being reported and prosecuted are skyrocketing. Which probably brings the total number of cop crimes up to 20% reported and prosecuted.
See, I can pull figures out of the air just like you! Can I be a police administrator, too?
Yes good work. But your numbers are far from the truth. You are still under the 1% figure.
Prove it.
Go ahead. Take Fullerton. Pull all the calls the last 5 years. It’s public record. Have the king pay you to do it.
That would be a valid suggestion if the numbers you’re referring to included unreported/unprosecuted crimes. But since we all know how the culture of silence ensures the majority of cop crimes are never reported, they won’t be in those data you keep referring to. You may as well say Bigfoot is responsible for the unreported cop crimes – you’d be just as likely to be proven wrong with those numbers.
I don’t call cops anymore, I handle my own events as they come up — few and far between as they are. I trust ME and not the cops. The cops have themselves to blame for that. No one trusts the cops anymore, good or bad, they are viewed the same, unfortunately.
I used to be pro cop, then I woke up.
Go back to sleep, slappy.
Time for you to wake up goofy….
The problem with police work is that the lazier you are the safer you are.
Big cases: big problems; Little cases: little problems; No cases: no problems.
And since virtually no cops get fired for laziness you find little effort made to solve community crime problems. Ask anyone who has had their home burglarized/vandalized, or their property stolen how serious the cops are to find the culprit(s). Even if you hand them the hard cold evidence to process chances are nothing will happen unless you constantly complain or go to your local government officials to light a fire under them.
The cops who get hung out to dry are usually those who have stepped on powerful political toes upstairs or those who have had the courage to question bad behavior by fellow cops. Those cops have to grow eyes in the back of their heads. They are under microscopes. It’s just much easier and more conducive to professional growth to see, hear and say no evil. That’s why 99% of them fall into line. All cops know this. Porky knows this. He might not say it. But he knows it.
Some truth.
Most people think all crimes will be solved. That’s far from the truth. When your home gets broke into, it’s a stroke of luck the bad guy gets caught. Usually due to pawning the items off, getting caught with the property due to timing on traffic stops or pedestrian stops, or a good set of prints they left behind.
True in a way sir. I just don’t agree that so many cops have seen so much corruption all the time and fail to report it. That’s a myth that people run with. Most cops will report it in one way or another. Cops don’t want to work with corrupt cops, as much as that is hard to believe.
Name one instance where a cop was turned in and prosecuted because another cop on his force ratted him out.
I can name many. Some in the press, some unknown. Do you think any Fullerton cops have been fired because another cop turned them in for wrong doing? Careful with your answer. Do you think many cops are fired for things other cops told on them but the public just never hears anything? Careful. I think you know the answers already.
If you can name many, name one. That’s all I asked. Name one example. I dare you!
“Do you think many cops are fired for things other cops told on them but the public just never hears anything?”
Nope. Absolutely not. I’d wager not one instance of it has occurred in Fullerton. You, on the other hand, could say how many times that’s happened in the last 5 years. So tell us. Careful, we already know what your answer is going to be.
Let’s see if Wolfe testifies against Cicinelli, as has been rumored. That would be one right there.
Wolfe’s testimony would be compelled. It’s in a case that was in the process of being shoveled under the rug in a coveup until this blog pulled it back out and showed it to the world. Nothing about the KT case was done voluntarily because it was the right thing to do.
Now, again – name ONE case where a cop was prosecuted because one of his co-workers ratted him out.
Frank Serpico in New York.
there are numerous cases local and nationwide. Even FOP and all his other screen names know that.
I’m not referring to other departments. I’m referring to YOUR department which you claim to know so much about.
After repeated questioning to name one instance where a cop was busted because a fellow cop turned him in: SERPICO.
Your inability to name even ONE such instance on FPD proves I’m 100% correct in my assertion: there isn’t even ONE instance where a FPD cop has been busted because one of his fellow officers turned him in.
That, my friends, is prima facia evidence of a department completely riddled with corruption.
Frank Serpico, Daniel Ciello, NYPD.
They can’t find enough cops as it is today. They all fail the basic written test, very basic physical test, and psych test. How would you get more qualified people in your system?
I’d like to know how Ramos, Wolfe, Kirk, Goodrich, Coffman, or Blatney ever passed even a basic physical test.
Or how Cicinelli or Hampton ever passed any kind of psych test.
Simple. They did it 20 years ago and would probably be able to pass the same tests today. They aren’t that hard to pass. That’s what is so amazing that people can’t pass that stuff to get the job as a cop. So many people get DQ’d just at the simple tests level. So many more at the background level. Most cops get fat later in their careers.
Clean up the reputation of police and we won’t be scraping the bottom of the barrel for candidates. Raise the bar high enough so that people suited for this job would consider it. It does not surprise me that the people who want to be cops couldn’t pass a basic test. Who would want to be a cop?
Exactly. Who would want to be a cop. It’s not a job most people would want even with the decent wages. It’s not a fun job for most people in this world. Intriguing but not fun or something most would want to do.
Power hungry psychopaths who love to beat people to death want to be a cop. You have six of them on FPD who all worked on one shift. That leaves a lot of psychopaths on the other shifts.
Who would want a job running into a gun fight when everyone else is running out? Not FOP he likes his office job
Psychopaths absolutely ~LOVE~ running into gunfights with their guns drawn, all hard and hot and shit! That’s why they’re psychopaths, you silly bird!
Yooo-hooo! Can I see your weapon, Mr Occifer?
They love to save your poor families life. And you in return love to talk shit. Someday think outside the box.
So are you the idiot that grabbed my screen name, or just some schmuck who thought he’d weigh in while his trannie girlfriend is waxing his knob?
Somebody’s upset….. Ok here’s what you do, grab that tissue box next to you and wipe your tears, then take two midol
It takes courage to reply anonymously. Unlike the kind had by people who run into gun fights while everyone else is running out. I bet you call in fake 9-1-1 reports in your vicinity and head for them instead of going to gun fights.
You should listen to your trannie girlfriend, she could teach you a lot about courage.
Alright, asshole. Think up your own screen name. This one’s taken!
Can’t I hide behind this one like everyone else?
True. Only people that are sadistic, narcissistic, and pyscho can be cops. Tough to find these days. Mostly military guys and a few others. Ha
Only a genuine psycho would brag about being one. Special Forces troops are trained to drink each other’s urine to stave off dehydration. What have you been trained to eat to stave off hunger?
Donuts. Duh.
Oh, bullshit. Same line the fire slugs use. Only they hardly ever fight fires and cops almost always unload on unarmed “suspects” “reaching for their waistbands.”
Who would want to be a copy under those circumstances?
Criminals.
I can take this one. Fewer laws, fewer cops. Problem solved.
This O’Malley cat sure is popular here.
I notice you are spelling your name right now. Next step out of closet with you.
I’ve only spelled it one time here. Above. I think everyone here is an O’Malley now.
You sure are crabby today, Freddie. Did last night’s John give you a case of crabs? Hahahaha!
Fred is always crabby. I think we know who it is in disguise. Along with the other names he uses. Hint Hint.
Duh….
O’Malley, did you make detective? hahaha. bet not. Lol.
My my Fred….
I thought he was captain of the detective bureau already?
My assumption is far more likely to be correct than your assumption. The culture of corruption in FPD has been publicly established and is indisputable.
Of course you would demand an outsider prove your department is corrupt by having no access to insider information. You, on the other hand, could prove it’s NOT corrupt by having access to insider information. The fact that you do not suggests my assumption is more correct than your assumption.
You’re awfully crabby. Did they stop feeding you donuts at the station after Gennacco’s report?
We will just have to agree to disagree.
A police officers job is not to go inside the department and conduct an investigation into the department and other officers to determine issues. If they see it, they should report it. If they don’t, they should be disciplined. Happens all the time. Cops get fired everyday.
I’m not crabby. Donut shops are open 24 hours a day and we loved Gennaco’s report. It was completed perfectly. He’s as close to God as a few of the people that post here.
I never thought of God as arrogant. You’re an imposter.
Gennaco isn’t arrogant. He’s confident. I’m no where close to God. I never claim to be.
True. They never will because in your mind it’s happening everywhere everyday. In the cops minds that don’t see it, they have nothing to report. I guess we are just stuck now.
“They never will because in your mind it’s happening everywhere everyday. In the cops minds that don’t see it, they have nothing to report.’
Unlike cops, the public has no culture of corruption that prevents them from reporting criminal cops. The public has fear of murderous psychopaths wearing a badge. The number of reported incidents filed by the public is not 100%, but it’s a lot higher than the number that are reported by cops – which is 0%.
ok
Porky Pig for city counsel he can take Kiger’s place
The word is “council,” GED.
Hey Fred, what is it with this GED fetish of yours? Did a cop cornhole you once and you ended up liking it or what?
Can someone here explain o’malley to a newbee?
Grace. Don’t get confused. I know you are an O’Malley. They think all posters here that are pro logic and pro reason are named O’Malley. Don’t feel bad. We still love you too.
Ha ha ha Thanks for the laugh.
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The video was shot the next day. None of Mr Tovar’s wounds are treated, most likely because he can’t afford to see a doctor. His right arm appears to be broken, and he may have internal bleeding that could take his life in days.
If this man dies from his wounds, Fullerton PD should immediately be put under control of the Federal government.
If Tovar dies from his wounds they should use his body to fill pot holes on Orangethorpe.
aren’t you just full of love and kindness… big shot on a blog, bigger ass in a uniform lol
well its about time they did and the police that look on and say nothing are just as guilty and should also be prosecuted for the same thing that the perpetrators do thats what the cops do
if your involved in a crime and the person gets hurt or killed then the cop that is watching on and doing nothing to stop the beating or murder then should fathe same ones ce the charges
Well Tobar is in prison now!
Thayer? Thug Thayer? The Gorilla Goon? You read this blog? Wait, you read, period?
The fact you are still at FPD proves that Danny-boy’s reforms are a joke.
ANOTHER UNREPORTED INCIDENT OF ABUSE BY THESE ANIMALS AT FPD WHO OWN OUR CITY. THE EVIL FPD MUST BE REPLACED. GIVE THEM ALL THEIR WORKER COMP SETTLEMENTS AND LET’S BRING THE SHERIFF DEPT IN.
Watching this clip it is clear to me that he is being coached on what to say. I found a comment quite interesting that he would have stopped like he always does when contacted by the police. I would like to know if he has ever ran/fled from police in traditional police police cars. I don’t know what happened but he doesn’t seem to be the most sincere person and I’m guessing this was put on the website not for truth but to stir things up again. Travis, Bruce, Greg and Tony this is very sad what you 4 are trying to do to Fullerton. I don’t believe this is the truth by a long shot.
For a moniker of “Facts of Life, you sure sound like your in denial about what Hispanics on the south side of the tracks here in Fullerton are subjected to on a daily basis by the FPD.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Lover, go walk your dog through that area. Let us know if you make it out alive.
It’s a lot safer than DTF where if the douchebags don’t get you, FPD will.
Just ask Veth Mam.
oooooo… sounds like he’s getting sweet on you, FL! Better watch out, he’s liable to be hanging around your neighborhood looking for “favors” !!
“Watching this clip it is clear to me that he is being coached on what to say.”
It’s clear to me he’s struggling to speak because he’s in so much pain. Not since Geo W Bush was president has the public been treated to a spectacle of someone struggling with a teleprompter that looks like this.
“I found a comment quite interesting that he would have stopped like he always does when contacted by the police.”
Yes, it’s interesting because it reveals the law of the streets in Fullerton: you run, you die. Doesn’t matter if you’ve committed no crime; you run, you die.
“I would like to know if he has ever ran/fled from police in traditional police police cars.”
In other words, to attempt to verify if what he said about running can be impeached? Does that make a vicious assault by undercover cops any less criminal?
“I don’t know what happened but he doesn’t seem to be the most sincere person and I’m guessing this was put on the website not for truth but to stir things up again.”
It’s good that you admitted your ignorance of the situation. Too bad you followed it up with a second helping.
“Travis, Bruce, Greg and Tony this is very sad what you 4 are trying to do to Fullerton. I don’t believe this is the truth by a long shot.”
You appear to be not quite clear on the concept of blogs. This is a public forum where people are allowed to speak their mind, not a PR machine like the FPD hacks that come on here trying to maintain their Officer Friendly facade.
I’d say you don’t need a Judas Goat, you’re finding your way without any problems.
His rap sheet is extensive. He’s an admitted felon, parolee, and gangster. He’s a POS.
However, that doesn’t take away from the facts in this incident. Pull the police report on this incident. It details everything he did. Well, as Tony says, according to the police that is.
Mr. Tovar probably would not be a recipient of the “Citizen of the Year” award. That I will grant you.
With that said, neither would the Fullerton cops who have circled the wagons for fellow cops who brutally and fatally battered a defenseless man to death. Cops who LIED in the aftermath have been promoted. Deplorable. Instead of being punished for lying to the citizens who pay him top dollar – he was promoted. That’s the earmark of Nazi rule if I’ve ever seen it. Absolutely preposterous coming from an agency that is obligated to stand for justice, integrity and honor.
Who is worse, Mr. Tovar or the Fullerton cops? My vote would go to the Fullerton cops since they are SWORN to be the good guys in our society. Mr. Tovar has no obligation to me. The cops do. And that is where I draw the line. And that is where you should draw the line too if you were a reasonable man with integrity.
If Fullerton PD were an individual, he would have a rap sheet a mile long and as thick as a Los Angeles phone book. But since they sport badges and carry guns their crimes are whitewashed. You pigs are no better than the Tijuana Municipal Police Dept. You could crawl under a snake and never touch it’s belly you’re so low. You are the antithesis of what America was designed to be. It’s futile to say that you should be ashamed of yourselves because most of you aren’t capable of shame. You are deviant sociopaths without consciences. The proof is that you inevitably cover for one another regardless of the egregious acts you commit. Only sociopaths engage in such behavior.
Amen!
Amen. Sociopaths, narcissists, and psychos. All cops are nuts. Cops are a common breed in the USA I see. I’ve learned a ton here at FFFF. You know it all and are never ever wrong. Amen!!
It’s funny how you always cave in when you’re confronted with a truth you can’t deny. You drop all pretense of argument and simply mumble “yeah” “ok” or “You know it all” …
You haven’t once acknowledged the corruption in FPD, nor have you admitted a cover up in the KT murder. It’s always “It could have been done better” or the other extreme “happens all over” “nothing can be done” “we’re human.”
I’m beginning to question that last one.
Once you provide something of substance, I will provide something of substance. I’m not doing your research for you. Just keep thinking the world is corrupt and the reason for all of your failures in life is because the world has and is against you. I see it has worked for you thus far in the basement of your mother’s house.
The only substance you’ve provided is a repetitious claim that bad cops happen everywhere. Can’t be helped, shit happens. Unlike you, I’m not worried about pensions that are hanging in the balance because greedy and dishonest cops have bloated the roles to the point that bankruptcy is the only viable option for Fullerton to shed itself of the parasites like you that are sucking it dry.
Speaking of mother’s basement, it’s not too early for you to begin planning your mancave for when your house of cards collapses around you. Gonna be a tight fit with all your baggage, but HEY! you’re a big boy. In more ways than one! (*snicker!* *snort!*)
You and that guy Justice For All sure talk alike. You guys should both make a team and combat police corruption. Get donations from the community and form a company like Genacco. You could make millions. That is, if anyone would listen to your babble. LOL
Their babble is truthfull, and your babble is just a bunch piggy babble. They win. Try again piggy. Try and make beleive you….Tuff sell.
I don’t want anyone to believe me. You all know all already. All 10 of you. Or did you lose one and now it’s 9 of you? ha
You’re confused, I’m 11.
Why no follow up from the City of Fullerton on that Fullerton cop who was awarded the certificate of valor for pulling a car accident victim from a burning vehicle when, in reality and according to witnesses, by the time the cop arrived at the scene the victim had already been rescued by 2 civilian witnesses and was a good distance from the burning vehicle?
Those are the cops who should be fired on the spot. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. If a cop is willing to lie about that he would be open to lying about most anything. If a cop’s word is untrustworthy, he is USELESS as a cop. Honesty should be the MOST IMPORTANT part of police work. If a cop is a LIAR he needs to find another occupation!
We want to see the official report from that cop and we want to see the witness statement that totally contradicted what the cop reported.
And we want Chief Hughes to explain the discrepancy to the taxpaying public.
We want action and we want it now.
You Fullerton citizens need to grow LONG MEMORIES. You cannot read a blog one week which uncovers evidence of wrongdoing and forget about it the next week. If you do, they win and you only have yourselves to blame.
YOU NEED TO DEMAND ANSWERS AND YOU NEED TO BE AS PERSISTENT AND AS DETERMINED AS A PIT BULL PURSUING A MEAT BONE!!!
Then go get it!! Stop trying to make everyone do all your dirty work for you. GEt your face out there. Send in PR requests. Do some work on your own. Or get on Tony’s payroll. That way when it turns out to be not what you thought at least you will have the crap all over your face. Or is it egg? Ha.
You always dodge the message, doncha Porky?
You claim that the cops are clean as the wind driven snow and when we present proof that you are full of crap you slam it into reverse and head for the exit door as you attack the messengers.
You’re easy to read, man. I have no doubt that you’re a cop. You fit the M.O. to the T. Slippery and deceitful.
I never said anyone or everyone is clean. That’s how the human word always comes up. I admit cops make mistakes and all humans do.
I claim it’s not as rampant as you claim. I claim cops do great work a large large majority of the time. You claim otherwise. That’s where we strongly disagree. You claim all cops see corruption daily and fail to report it. I claim otherwise.
We just disagree. Simple.
Yes everyone that disagrees with know it alls like you are cops. Of course.
Why not ask the victim who pulled her out? You might be educated on this incident and not believe everything you read.
Why not release the patrol car video of when the cop arrived on scene? That would tell us what we need to know. Or release the DAR recording when the cop arrived on scene.
Are you claiming that the 2 civilian witnesses who got awards for rescuing the victim were lying when they said the cop did not participate in the actual extrication of the victim from the car?
Is that what you’re claiming?
Let’s see the proof. Either patrol car video or DAR recording.
Justus…”We want, we want, we want, we demand, we demand.” Shut up, you boob. No one is on your band wagon except the 8 other boobs that make up the bulk of the bloggers here with their 15 different names.
you shut up you fat pig — which we know you are, cuz you are always at that all you can eat doughnut buffet lol you are a joke!
#31 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 10, 2011
Convinced? Based on what? That grainy I-Phone video that shows nothing but a couple of police cars? The only other video is the city cam that hasn’t been released yet. The fight went on for close to 7 minutes. If the cops beat him for that amount of time and he wasn’t fighting back, he’d have looked a whole bunch worse than that hospital photo. Take away the gauze from his nose and mouth and you have a guy with two swollen black eyes and a few cuts on his face. I’ve seen worse in an MMA fight that’s stopped in the first round. “Uncontrollable brutality”, give me a break.
OUR FAVORITE TROLL, “Own worst enemy”
Thanks, I forgot about those. Still resonate, don’t they?
are you still here? poor porker, no one wants you around — we can see you acting out here, tsk tsk 🙁
#59 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 10, 2011
I agree Crock’ofun. Have you seen the vermin that frequent the bars in DTF? The normal people go to dinner, get out by 10:00 pm and afterward it’s nothing but Raider/Dodger/Laker fans looking for some whore to bang for the night. Nothing but drunk smelly turds and turdettes.
you have obviously forgotten kelly thomas and the lies they told
I haven’t forgotten about it at all. But having lied in one situation doesn’t mean an institution lies in all situations — and even some people from Kelly’s Army think that there have been serious reform efforts under Dan Hughes.
I think that they’ve earned suspicion, not automatic condemnation.
I like your odds. I’m hearing it didn’t even happen in Fullerton. Can I take half of the wager?
@ Uncle Greg Diamond: why is your instinct always to defend the establishment and the police? Answer: You are, or at least want to be, the establishment and everything you do and say is filtered through your agenda of protecting certain members of your own party and discrediting those how do not agree with you. That’s fine, but stop pretending you have outsider credibly with you time with Occupy. All you are is prolifically average political hack.
I have spoken to Davids brother, a very intelligent and hard working man, and texted Chief Hughes. I was also the one that passed this footage on to FFFF – and based on the above I believe the following to be true.
1. It is because of cops that that David looks like this and that had to be rushed to the hospital.
2. He was unarmed
3. He did not physical resist arrest arrest
4. He was not holding drugs or under the influence
5. The gang unit vehicular was unmarked and had no lights on
5. No charges were filed on David relating to this incident
6. He has injuries that look to be well beyond falling off an bike
7. A man riding away on a bike poses not threat to police
8.. The Fullerton PD are on record to not beabove murdering unarmed citizens, raping, stealing, lying, circling the wagons, obstructing, and otherwise ruining the lifes of innocent people.
9. None of the things mentioned in number 7 seem to bother you very much
10. The people you defend every day don’t give a sh*t about you.
God Bless you Steve Baxter.
Don’t even bother responding to Diamond. He’s not worth your time or energy.
“Uncle Greg Diamond: why is your instinct always to defend the establishment and the police? Answer: You are, or at least want to be, the establishment and everything you do and say is filtered through your agenda of protecting certain members of your own party and discrediting those who do not agree with you.”
My friends, that is the last, best, and most conclusive description of Greg Diamond and his blogging role any of us will ever need. That paragraph should be copied and pasted into any responses to anything Greg Diamond ever writes here again.
Baxter, my instinct is not always to defend the establishment and the police. You have no idea what you’re talking about. If you were paying attention, you’d know that I have gone head to head with the police in Irvine, Santa Ana, and Anaheim — and that I think that Cicinelli is guilty and Ramos (and maybe Wolfe) probably not guilty only on a technicality.
What I believe in is justice and fairness. I do not favor prejudgment. You at least have some basis for your beliefs; for others here prejudging the police to be guilty, attacking any DOUBT, is mostly just an armchair political game. If I were a hack I’d be seeking money and endorsements from various police associations — and I haven’t. (My opponent has.) How do you explain that? Or do you not care to try?
I am glad, sincerely glad, that you’ve been doing your part to elicit an investigation. That’s good and appropriate. What’s wrong is the accepting of questionable evidence like this — not WRONG, just questionable — as gospel truth.
This sort of disrespect for justice — real, “punish the guilty and spare the innocent” justice — drives me up a wall. It did so before I became a lawyer, and since I became one and learned more about the legal system, it just got worse. I’ve stood against this within Occupy — and on the other side I’ve stood against it among establishment Democrats and lawyers when they disdain radical opposition.
Onto your list: 2-5A/B seem likely. I’m not sure about 6. & is plain wrong — how can you think that? — but that doesn’t mean that riding a bike gives the police probable cause. So let’s get to the last three.
8: Yes, they’ve done some really bad stuff, as have many other policing agencies including the OCSD. The argument is being made that there’s a reform movement at hand and that it’s doing some good. You apparently dismiss that out of hand. Either your one of those who trusts the OCSD for no discernible reason or you have some crazy belief that we can get by just fine without policing. Which is it?
9. Oh yes, they bother me very much. I just don’t make decisions solely on emotion.
10. What you seem not to understand is that I do not give a crap whether they give a sh*t about me or not. I’m not doing anything “for” the FPD or “for” the FPOA; I want to see Fullerton (and other cities) have the best and more just policing they can get. What I do, I do for justice. Not mob justice like the yammering crowd here — real justice.
Giving head to the police in three jurisdictions outside of Fullerton, while fascinating scuttlebutt, is not pertinent to the residents of Fullerton. Try again.
Oh yeah, sure you’re a “real liberal.”
Amen and right on Steve!!
that is what is needed here federal oversight of this one force because fullerton police think its ok to kill innocent people then lie to cover their arses
I personally know “Streets Of Fullerton” and I will bet you $1.00, and give you a (1,000 to 1) odds that no one will be able to disprove what SOF has said in terms of what he or she claims they witnessed (he or she does not wear a time piece). This person is beyond reproach and I can scratch 1K together for you if I lose this bet. You have my word. There is one small caveat, however, that I will demand upon your loss, should you agree to this bet: you will refrain from posting on FFFF ever again on matters relating to Kelly Thomas or police brutality. You see, these are the posts in which I am often engaged, my time is valuable to me, and I feel that I must read everything before replying. So, as you can see, your word count is killing me, and neither I, nor anyone benefits from this slow death by establishment babble. Deal?
See my above comment about justice. FFFF desperately needs people here who can shrug off abuse and challenge the dominant and pervasive cult mentality.
So no, what I’d give up is worth more than $1000. Just skip my stuff if it bothers you that much. I’m appalled that a decent guy like you doesn’t care about Fullerton going the way of Wisconsin and Costa Mesa, but if you’re going to make police brutality your single issue then I guess it can’t be helped.
Show the guts to challenge people here on other issues, where you think they’re wrong, and I’d be impressed.
Shrug off abuse huh. Like you and the Democratic party establishment shrug off police abuse? is that what we need?
I’ve never heard Costa Mesa mentioned on this blog. Wisconsin is irrelevant since Walker exempted police unions from his ban on collective bargaining. You don’t understand the motivations of the bloggers, commenters, or readers on this site. That’s because you’re a party-line partisan hack.
How does the lack of mention of Costa Mesa contradict my point?
As for Wisconsin, the police unions understood that they were next in line; their exclusion from the original action was just a way of trying to split the opposition.
I think that I understand the motivations of people here quite well. Some of it is even respectable, which is why I don’t take the moronic attacks too personally. Where you’re wrong, which is not nearly everywhere, you’re more misguided than evil.
Last post to Uncle Greg Diamond. You have 24 hours to accept or reject my bet, you will be given 10 days to substantially disprove the content of his statement (not time) and the $1.00 (you) or $1,000 (me) payment must come in the form of check written from our personal accounts.
Steve,
Greg has already done his job.
He is a shill for the FPOA.
Best we ignore him, Ban him, clearly the man has no shame, he let his family be ridiculed at his table.
Anyone else here would stand up.
Greg is a tool. aparently his family….nuts and bolts.
I reject it for reasons expressed above.
Gore said the deputies thought Orey’s open gate looked suspicious, so they went into her backyard. The deputies ran into Orey, and one of them had a “spontaneous reaction.”
Authorities said they did not know exactly what prompted the shooting. They said the woman did not have anything in her hands and was not armed at the time.
http://www.copblock.org/19946/editing/
That name sounds very familiar.
I think his dad might have been a cop. A high ranking one.
Which would make perfect sense.
Porky pig. Keep talking and posting and showing how right we are about corrupt cops in Fullerton because you Mr pig seem to be one of the worst yet. Keep spitting and showing us how stupid you are; you better have a backup plan for your next job. The hate and ignorance you pen here only serves to make me and my fellow citizens more resolute in our positions of cleaning up the Fullerton police Dept by removing them from our city. You so underestimate how outraged we are at what our police dept has done and what your union has perpetuated.
You would have a much better chance if the police would started the reforms before we shove them out the door for ocsd. When you are wrong ie. Killing innocent homeless people you make changes to make sure this crap doesn’t ever happen again and the citizen’s who pay your wages are satisfied with your performance. Hint we are mad as hell at you clowns!
this man is a real a hole and i think he may be a cop of tag along friend of one you know one that would jump and bash someone with the police you know the hero type but im sad to say that might be one
so you’re a biggot bile of racist trash?
Someone clue “blogga” into what the name of Fullerton High’s teams are.
“so you’re a biggot bile of racist trash?”……… Hmmmmm
From his angry and hateful postings and his alliance to occupy and anarchists, it is clearly apparent that Golem may be closeted militant Zionist.
Therefore, inclusively all of the above.
Wayne, there are no innocent people. We’re all guilty, just different degrees!
In the San Diego shooting, the unarmed young lady shot in her own backyard asked the San Diego police chief for an apology. She is still waiting……. sound familiar?
The shooter worked 7 years at Sacramento PD. If we wanted to find out if he had any priors (since he was fairly recently hired in San Diego), your fine California POBAR would call that classified personnel info. The cancer has spread all through the state of California and needs to be excised!
I watched this interview in its entirety.
From his mouth, David never directly states why he 100% knows that this was at the hands of the FPD. He doesn’t even say why he suspects why this may be the FPD. He just says the FPD did this. WTF? Does that make any sense?
Where is the proof? The story is…I got knocked down by a truck. It was the Fullerton PD…HOW does this guy come up with this conclusion? I heard voices, I saw a face. I was handcuffed. He sounded white…Give me something to work with David…I’m not saying this didn’t happen. But what is this guy’s reasoning that this was the FPD.
Interview Highlight @ 5:38
Tony: And what is it that you are asking for?
Tovar: MONEY, BITCH!!! CHA-CHING! DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL Y’ALL!!
Come on dude. Let’s be real…”What I’m asking is for is justice”…that is just too funny. I got a good laugh. I’d have more respect for this man if he was honest.
Hypothetically, what if FPD was chasing him? What if they had a legitimate reason to stop him and they even identified that they were FPD. If he ran/pedaled away (I don’t even know if he was on a bicycle, David just says “bike”) and he ate concrete by himself. It would be mighty convenient to change a few facts of what happened to profit from it.
For example, I was rammed by the FPD (no pun intended) instead of I hit a rock and ate shit.
It is his word against a police department who has very little public trust. If he did this in a city with a PD with good reputation, he would have no chance.
It would also be convenient for FFFF to publish this before any sort of comment from the city/FPD to make it appear that it is some sort of conspiracy of corruption.
FFFF, if you are being altruistic for the people of Fullerton, please do some homework/research before you post an accusation. Because this is what this post is without any sort of evidence…an accusation.
All your doing is stirring up the “I HATE FPD” pot to get a rise out of people and get some political momentum…oh wait…that is your true intention…
Fact: Tony did not do this interview.
Fact: The interviewer didn’t do a very good job, being an amateur, of course.
My guess is the cops handed him over to the paramedics who hauled him up to the hosptial. Some where along the line it looks like he got some sort of citation.
They said it was an accusation, dummy, can’t you read?
And at this point, except for the blue-shirted goons and Mrs. Flory, why would anybody not hate the FPD?
quote “HOW does this guy come up with this conclusion? I heard voices, I saw a face. I was handcuffed. He sounded white…Give me something to work with David”
well, supposedly this dude is gang related, full of tats, had prior shenanigans, etc. This bro just may have sensed or smelled the pigs just by their actions\manner.
I have the ability to hear a pretty lady walking down the street, spidey sense.
just because he’s got tats or is gang related, had prior shenanigans doesn’t mean he deserved to be beaten and run down by freaking thug cops.
I think we can ALL smell bacon without using our spidey senses… and the smell is rotten and rancid.
I think he violated his own gang members. They tried to kill him. He has no where to hide now.
I have been very critical about the teabag element on here. Ask anyone. In fact you can go back as far Tax Revolt at the Slidebar on your own blog OJ Juice and find my comments regarding it. I keep a straight moral line, and I am critical of anyone, friend or not, who I feel strays from this line.
This picture look familiar? Scary pic. Looks like Kelly. Wonder what the truth is. No charges. LA DA and OC DA hmmm
http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/27/brian-mulligan-lapd-lawsuit-photo-police-brutality-banker
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-claim-20120828,0,4114845.story
I can’t believe FF have stuped to this low. You are just trying to make the city and good people of this city look like crap. You know nothing about this guy, he could be selling you a bunch of lies and you are putting this video on you site. Tony and this site have truly crossed the line and gone too far, start doing so good with your free time rather than just trying to come up with crap on the city to make us look bad
The good people of this city aren’t the ones looking bad, it’s the loser thug killer cops that look bad. That’s why we have to get rid of the swine and bring in OCSD.
This guy will get his day in court, and all hopefully will come out then.
OCSD jail deps kick azz. Bring em in danno.
I’m sure that during last night’s shooting was because FPD officers thought they saw Tovar driving that car, so they decided to murder him as revenge for going to Bushala with his video. FPD started following the car, but Tovar (or whoever may have been in the car) thought that they were other gang members chasing him, so he fled to Bellflower and was only trying to legally get away from people trying to kill him. That’s what he was doing when he tried to run over the FPD officers. So it’s all FPD’s fault.
Can’t wait for the new thread to start.
Doh
Why don’t you explain to us why a bunch of cop cars couldn’t pin the guy into a cul-de-sac.
More cop incompetence that put themselves at risk. One dead man. Aw who cares? Lol.
Policy says you can’t roadblock. You pull in to conduct a felony stop. He decides to ram the cars that’s his choice. Usually will result in numerous bullet holes. Choices we make in life lead to results of our own doing.
Oh yeah, Freddie. Maybe they should have set up some traffic cones and flares before shooting him, or perhaps call in a bulldozer to create a moat in the street to keep him from fleeing. You obviously watched too much T.J. Hooker. Or was it Starsky and Hutch? Dope.
OHHH, MAYBE THEY DON’T SHOOT! OMG! what a novel idea! Use your brain to de-escalate the situation instead of killing someone! Wow! We never thought of that here at FPD, wow…
DQ. All due respect. But if you follow a car into a cul de sac. You pull behind it as trained. You exit your door. You put the car n person at gun point. He suddenly puts it in reverse and if he keeps going he crushes you between your door and the car. Your choices are fire and kill and stop the car acceleration or be crushed. What would you do?
I appreciate your post. One of the biggest issues I have is believing anything any FPD officer says — how do we know what really happened? Personally, I knew alot of good cops when I worked there — and honestly, alot of them left the FPD. There are good ones, we just can’t tell who is who at this point. So, safer not to believe any of what is told to us. When we have video to back up a story, then it becomes more credible. I hate the fact that we can’t trust the cops anymore; it is heartbreaking and we become more and more disillusioned with them every day.
So to answer your question, I think you should be able to move away to a safer position and shoot the tires out — that’s what would be preferable anyway. Then you deal with the guy in the truck. I know for a fact this has been done in the past and worked well — no one but the car was killed. No injury to the officer nor the driver. Life has to become precious at some time for someone…
and, seriously, thank you for being respectful — this blog is becoming very disrespectful and not enjoyable to participate in. We all can have discourse without hate, I would hope that we all have the same end in mind — living safely and contently in our community, and co-existing without fear with those hired to protect and serve… I liked it better in the “old days” when we were happy to see the blue uniforms and even smiled and waved to one another…. we had trust and respect then…
Thanks. Yea hard part is its strictly against policies to shoot out tires. It’s never considered because of where those bullets end up. No control of what they hit or ricochet off of.
Believe it or h
I understand what you’re saying. I believe some policies need to be changed. And, I know for a fact that this has been done (at FPD) successfully and without harm to people 🙂 I understand the theory of the ricochet part — it makes sense as well.
Woops. Believe it or not there is still great relationships between cops and citizens in most cities. Many Fullerton citizens still love their cops and respect the jobs they do.
Look, we WANT to have great relationships with the cops — we really do. I do. But I can also say that once we perceive the actions of said cops to be less than responsible and more random in nature, we become fearful and rightfully so. We think, wow, it could be us next time — so do we call for help or handle it ourselves? Honestly, I will handle my own issues and then deal with the aftermath accordingly. You and I and the rest of the posters know that the cops cannot be there to stop most things — the actions/events happen too quickly for anyone to get there to help. It behooves us to be prepared to handle things ourselves — own guns, learn how to use them and any other weapons we may have need of.
One of the saddest things about being a cop is that no one calls you to tell you something wonderful is happening; cops are only generally called for negative, horrible and heinous things. This has to weigh heavily on their psyche and it does play out after a time… we see the anger and frustration over and over. Also, there are those individuals who should just never be cops in the first place — they are sadistic, mean, and hateful. Not sure what job they should have, but it’s not one where they have a gun/badge/taser to give them control over anyone.
It’s not an easy job, I admit that. I think perhaps counseling on a regular basis for ALL law enforcement personnel is in order — if all law enforcement were required to get regular counseling, it could not be held against them, as is the case in many circumstances. Getting help is not a weakness; acting out is weakness. Humans were never meant to see the horrendous, ugly, and evil things we have seen. It’s not easy to process all of it and stay sane/rational.
I have some wonderful cop friends and I cherish those relationships. I can see from both sides — cop and civilian. I understand.
What I don’t understand is taking out their psychological unbalanced issues on the very people they are hired to protect, that just doesn’t sit well with me and a huge number of folks — I’d venture to say you included. Many cops don’t like to see their fellow officers doing what they do — time for those with integrity to step up and get those folks some help in whatever way they can. It’s not a one-way street. If the cops want better relationships with their employers, the citizens, they need to step up to the plate and make some huge efforts. Not in just words, but in actions. Outing the unstable and removing them is the first step. If I saw the PD cleaning house, I would be thrilled. You all know the deal, you know what’s up — what’s right and what’s wrong — it’s your JOB to know. So clean house, and let’s get back to where we should be. I don’t really want the OCSD here, I’d rather have the FPD in place AND HEALTHY. But I am not convinced they can ‘fix’ themselves. It hasn’t been shown by any chief or upper management, so what is the next step?
It’s like that husband that hits his wife — he tells her it’s her fault he did it and if she would just not make him mad, he wouldn’t have to hurt her, and she finally leaves him. Abuse is abuse. FPD needs to stop abusing it’s citizens, and we wouldn’t have to make them leave…
Agree. Well said. Agree 100% with everything. I think there are a great group of cops left in Fullerton. Fullerton is probably one of the best PDs in the nation now due to the changes and attention given to them. They all know people are watching so they are doing everything perfectly by the book. It can’t get any better. I wish every PD in the US could be the same as FPD is today.
Really? That’s the best you’ve got?
I’ll bet there was actually a time when a shooting death was a sign that the cops failed. Now it appears to be the gold-standard of cop work.
“If there’s a dead body at the end of the night you’ve done your job.” Lol.
You guys are crazy, lets try this. I cop car pull sup behind me with their lights on. I pull over and do what they say i go home to my family. I run and try to drive my car at them the cop shoots me so he can go home to see his kids. Just do what they say and there wont be a problem.
you really believe that if you do what they say you will go home and there will be no problem????
Yes. 100%. Show me one police death or brutality case where the person didn’t talk crap, refuse to do what the cop asks, or flee? There are none. Yes I know it’s your right to talk crap and your right to refuse a cops request. The point was that is what leads to cops using force, causing arrests injury and death.
Why would we want to do what anyone tells us when we don’t trust them? If we felt they had integrity and honor and respect for us as human beings, we might feel more inclined to cooperate. Now, in saying that, I admit there are the usual trouble makers who just want to stir stuff up, there are always exceptions to the rule — and that’s on both sides. We don’t want to be raped, beaten, threatened or worse. And with FPD, we just don’t have that faith. 🙁
That strategy didn’t work out too well for this Registered Nurse and Mother of one?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/lapd-officers-under-investigation-beating-incident.html
That kind of behavior hurts my soul. I am just sick about this stuff — no one deserves this treatment — it’s truly disheartening and depressing 🙁
I agree with you DQ, and this is precisely why we have to shine a light on these egregious abuses of authority when it happens.
We can’t close our eyes anymore and hope it goes away on it’s own.
It won’t.
True. She refused to do anything they asked. Said no to signing a ticket. Talk all kinds of crap. She admitted it all. Cop went overboard. He will pay. Big mistake. He will be retiring early after 22 years instead of the 25 he hoped for. To think if she would have signed a stupid ticket everyone would be on their way.
to think if she would have signed the ticket everyone would be on their way is naive my friend. The cops went waaay overboard and were viscous and sadistic. There HAS to be another way to handle it. So she wouldn’t sign the ticket, bfd. Set her up for a court date and be gone. Let it go.
not viscous lol vicious is what I meant — see, multitasking is not all it’s cracked up to be 😉
The cops shouldn’t be allowed to retire, they should be fired.
Tony B. what you are in pursuit of is baseless gossip and vitriol. I am not sure what your personal agenda is. I am sick and tired of you and believe it or not you will find out just how little support you and your friends on the city council have come November.
Really? What makes you say that? You bozos were saying the same thing on June 4th. How’d that work out for you? LOL.
Everyone knew the recall was going to pass in June.
What happens now — well, let’s see how much he spends and how much (and how well) is spent against him. I have other fish to fry, but it will be fun to watch!
So is there an update yet on this claim?? Or is the department still changing…ahem…correcting their reports?
Is Tony blocking Free Spirit? Why?
The LAPD cops did not know there was a camera recording this arrest. They blew it.
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LAPD officers under investigation after Pacoima beating incident
LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Two Los Angeles Police Department officers are under investigation after allegedly slamming a handcuffed woman to the ground during an arrest in Pacoima.
The incident, which was caught on tape, occurred around 11:15 a.m. on Aug. 21…”
“…At some point, she was pulled out of her vehicle, thrown to the ground, and handcuffed,” said attorney Arthur Corona. “She was then brought back to the police cruiser and hip tossed rather violently.”
Nazif said the officers’ interaction with each other was almost as disturbing as the violence.
“You’ll see that once she’s in the squad car, the two officers ‘fist bump’ as if to say, ‘job well done today,’” he said.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/lapd-officers-under-investigation-beating-incident.html
Jane, didn’t someone post the video? I want to see it, but I don’t want to see it 🙁
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/08/28/caught-on-camera-2-lapd-officers-investigated-for-use-of-force-during-arrest/
Old battleaxes with broomsticks frighten me.
It’s Jan Flory’s zebra costume that she wears out for drinking so that she doesn’t get mistaken for a jack ass later.
Jane this means nothing. The system can only be fixed by ENDING PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS. NO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. The animals are raping our state.
These bums will walk like the ramos and cincelli.
The whole system is corrupt and it’s quite clear it’s to late to repair it. It don’t matter who get’s the power they sell their souls. Look at the big recall here in Fullerton. The FPD showed up in force because they own our city and that’s the way it’s going to stay.
Classical Bolshevism by Golem!
“I can say asshole in your “F”FFF but you can’t say asshole in my OJ!”
If all you had said in OJB was “asshole” you would not have been a problem.
………. Hmmmmmm
However Golem, you are more evil than misguided.
……….. Hmmmmmm
Just make sure that it is not Lobster, Oyster or Shrimp.
Why is that, Stanley?
Read Leviticus.
Just saying if someone won’t sign a ticket they have to be taken before a judge. Your way sounds easy but it’s not that easy. Agree on the overboard part though.
The cops ARE NOT judge, jury and executioner.
They have her current info; can they not just set her up for a hearing and then they all leave the scene? What part am I missing?
No they can’t. The signing of the ticket is saying you will appear in court. Every ticket you get you are actually arrested and released with a citation. Promise to appear. Just like at the jail for a misdemeanor. You get released with a ticket. If you say you won’t sign you are arrested and brought before a judge. In most cases the cuffs make people decode they will sign the ticket instead. You must sign the ticket or go to jail per the law.
Ok, good info. And that needs to be changed. That’s just not right 🙁
Sounds extreme. But imagine if you could just say F you pig I’m outta here. No one would sign. That’s why it’s simple. Sign or go to jail to a judge. Believe me the judges arent happy to see them and he makes them post bail now too. It’s ugly all the way around. Advice? Sign the ticket lol
and….
thank you for taking the time to explain, I really do appreciate it. 🙂
There have been millions of traffic stops with tickets written and signed.
The driver/offender takes his copy of the ticket, reads it noting an appearance date, then drives home to his family.
He has the option of appearing in court to explain his/her actions or… paying the fine and learning from the experience, attempting to drive within the law in the future.
What is so difficult about that?
There are a lot of cops that are not very personable but that is their problem, not yours.
Be kind, apologize for wasting their time and be on your way. It works every time.
DQ: post #402 – What isn’t right about it?
Not signing shouldn’t mean going to jail. You’ve already written the citation, you have their contact info. A notification can be sent confirming the court date, whether or not the driver takes the copy of the unsigned citation. Then it’s entirely on the shoulders of the driver and no violence nor arrest has to be made.
Your thought seems rational. However, why do we sign for credit card purchases? Why do we sign contracts? We sign promising to Pay. Promising to fulfill the contract. In the citation it’s an arrest and you are promising to appear. Yes in all these instances it would be nice to say we all trust people to pay or show, but we all also know what the reality is. 🙁
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LAPD-Alleged-Rough-Arrest-Surveillance-Video-Caught-Camera-Police-Chief-Charlie-Beck-167935235.html
HA HA HA COPS ASSIGNED TO HOME WITH FULL PAY. THIS WILL BE SQUASHED. HE HE HE
THIS IS BEING INVESTIGATED. IF VIDEO PROOF IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH EVIDENCE OF CRIMES BY CORRUPT COPS WHY DO THE COPS HATE VIDEO RECORDING OF THEIR CRIMES. HA HA HA
THESE COPS WILL EXIT ON THEIR DISABILITY PENSIONS AND FILL THE SPOTS OPEN BY RAMOS AND CINNELLI AFTER ALL WHEN THEY ARE CLEARED OF THE KELLY EXECUTION THEY WILL SETTLE WITH THE FULLERTON TAXPAYERS AND RETIRE WITH THEIR EXPLOIT
HAHAHAHA you must be a complete idiot. Cops sent home with full pay. HAHAHAHAHA.
Failure to mention that Foothill police commander dropped two pay grades for the balance of his employment. With pension savings, that could be a $200,000 fine and complete loss of face! HAHAHAHA. What a Troll!
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-kelly-thomas-case,0,3703611.story
HA HA HA HA
$$$$$$$$$$$
When residents heard the results of the report, many had trouble believing their ears.
The report detailed several instances when officers were allowed to remain on the force after major infractions. In one instance, an officer was allowed to remain after several women accused him of sexual assault.
In another instance, an officer was allowed to stay with the department after he was arrested twice for DUI and was also charged with theft.
According to the report, the department suffers from a lack of accountability, oversight and proper training.
But just because the department has had employees who have committed crimes, it is not corrupt, Gennaco told a pack council chambers.
“While we certainly took not of FPD employees who have violated the public’s trust by committing crimes and violating policy, we found no culture of corruption,” Gennaco said.
“But just because the department has had employees who have committed crimes, it is not corrupt, Gennaco told a pack council chambers.”
Uh, right. That’s like saying that just because the barrel has a lot of bad apples in it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good barrel of apples.
Completely dishonest. There’s your whitewash. We weren’t criminal we were just grossly incompetent, but now we aren’t so the problem is solved.
Wrong. There will be accountability for the Culture of Corruption.
Time to get rid of Gennaco and get some REAL HONEST COMPETENT UNBIASED opinion. That guy is a complete loser and fraud. This is why we need non cops for oversight. — no current or past cops for this job.
No culture of corruption Fred, or is this Travis, Bruce, Toni, Joe,Stanley, Harpoon, DR, Chris or a host of other great contributors here?
Gennaco is not independent. He is a law firm that does investigations for cities and provides info on how to dismiss certain personnel legally and basically whitewashes the situation to make the city that hires him look passable especially if they follow the recommendations. Never has Gennaco been independent. Hiring him is usually an indication that a city is having problems with its police force and its citizens. Gotta keep the citizens in line!
The joke is that Gennaco cooked up a title for his law firm that sounds like an official government agency. It gives cover to the chuckleheads who hire him that they are engaing in a meaningful audit.review. They are not. They are buying a very, very expensive bucket of white paint.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57503475-71/orlandos-city-cameras-catch-man-allegedly-smoking-pot/
THIS GUY IS IN JAIL BECAUSE OF CAMERA EVIDENCE. HOW COME TWO LAPD COPS AFTER CAUGHT ON VIDEO BRUTALIZING A 90LB HANDCUFFED WOMAN ARE ON PAID LEAVE WHILE THE LAPD UPPER BOSSES SQUASH THE VIDEO EVIDENCE. QUITE CLEAR THAT VIDEO PROOF IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONVICT CORRUPT COPS. YET THEY ARE BATTLING PUBLIC RECORDING OF THEIR SADISTIC CRIMES AGAINST CITIZENS WHO UNDERPAY THEM.
Tuco, I heard, read, was told, found out… that the business of the Office Of Independent Review (Gennaco) was started by Lee Baca. I’m not stating that as fact, just want to know more about it and if anyone has additional info.
If that is the fact of the matter, would that not be conflict of interest?
Someone help me out here!
DQ – I agree.. complete independence! No friend of a friend of a friend.
Please call the attorney Michael Gobraty
949 502-7755. He is the attorney that is helping Ryan Gonzalez’ family. No one believe their story until he helped them find a video of him being shot & killed by a U. S. Marshall. It has taken over 2 years but the U. S. Marshall was finally arrested on Friday. Here is the link to the story.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marshal-indicted-20120901,0,1095773.story
Here is the video of the shoting.
http://www.latimes.com/videogallery/72039925/News/Controversial-shooting-involving-off-duty-deputy-U-S-marshal-captured-by-video-surveillance-camera
If you are telling the truth then Michael will help you.
Why didn’t Steven Cooley do anything about this back 2 years ago because they are all in bed with each other. when you go into someone’s ofice check their walls and make sure hey aren’t shaking hands with someone you recognize. I saw someone’s picture on the wall of one of the academy directors and that wall told a story of pure corruption or friend of a friend of a friend. There is a large network out there!
“Why didn’t Steven Cooley do anything about this back 2 years ago because they are all in bed with each other“………….. Hmmmmmm
First study ethnic make up in the Fairfax area and than study surnames like Itkowitz.
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=itzkowitz
That may answer your question why brother would not prosecute a brother.
This is the sort of thing that gives cops a bad name. Even after the video, Cooley didn’t file, and for the life of me I don’t know why. Glad to see this is being follow up on .
“Glad to see this is being follow up on”…….. Hmmmmm
Do not get your hopes too high my friend.
Steven Cooley, as well as the current prosecutor, defense and judge are all bound by the Kol Nidre declaration which supersedes the bar, state and federal oath of office.
Do your own research but I do not command Wicky — that is if you seek a truth.
From Wikipedia: “Kol Nidre (also known as Kol Nidrei and Kal Nidre and Col Nidre[1]) (Aramaic: כָּל נִדְרֵי) is an Aramaic declaration recited in the synagogue before the beginning of the evening service on every Yom Kippur, the ”
I don’t get how an ancient Aramaic declaration supercedes the American bar or oaths of office. Please explain.
“From Wikipedia”……… Hmmmmm
Above I have recommended not to use Wiki
Another example of murder by cop, who expects to get away with it because his “brothers” in blue, or black, take him at his word, and still take him at his lying word after watching the video, as apparently the DA did. This one is apparently also abusive in addition to being a, as my father would have said, a lying sack of s–t. What’s it going to take to bring cops under control?
“I don’t get how an ancient Aramaic declaration supercedes the American bar or oaths of office. Please explain”……………. Hmmmmmm
A faith is personal matter — you can’t explain believe system to a third person.
However, you can study it on your own if you want to know.
There is panty of information on the subject in the cloud.
You may start here!
The Oath That Nullifies �The Truth and Nothing But The Truth…� ??? / The Oath Of Kol Nidre.doc *LINK*
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/archive_config.pl?md=read;id=20714
or
http://www.bbsradio.com/files_byothers/The-Oath-Of-Kol-Nidre.doc
Note: It is complicated subject which you must study from many angels. If you feel that you can’t wrap your mind around it do not try and do not complain or argue with me!!!!!
Okay, I read it! Let me ask you this? What if the jury convicts the judge can supercede the conviction? This case is clearly in abuse in power!
David Tovar
I Believe him with out any doubt in my mind glad to here him stand up for him self on a word of mouth to let people know just how the Fullerton PD can really be . THEY DID THE SAME THING TO MY MAN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT WENT DOWN AND SAID OVER A FUCKIN LIGHT TO he was coming back from Mc Donald’s so was hold the bag of food in his hands while riding his bike back unmarked car truck all blacked out they roll the window down just enough to see there eyes only they hit him from the back but my man has quick on him toes roll over with it and landed back up on his feet but steal that’s not the point The POINT is IS that THERE A GANG THERE NO DIFFERENT THEN ALL THE OTHER GANGS OUT HERE So best believe I called the watch commander on them …
ALSO THE FIRST POST ON HERE WAS HEAD ON THERE WAS NO MORE NEED TO BE SAID ON HERE EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST B*S. It’s fuckin sucks the people that gets messed with for no reason at all ..ohh and David God Bless You and try to stay low key because fO shO there gonna be on ur aSs nOw for doing that video …️