Jones, Bankhead & McKinley’s Chickens Come Home To Roost
And by come home to roost I mean a veritable pile-up of embarrassing and expensive lawsuits we will all have to pay for.
Check out the slew of new legal threats against the city on this week’s agenda, ironically followed by salary and pension negotiations with the unions whose members caused these problems in the first place. I wonder if Bankhead, Jones and McKinley will make that connection. Highly doubtful.
And don’t forget that City Manager Joe Felz is going to take another swing at getting that raise. God Almighty, who is minding the store?
Correction: Felz raise didn’t make it on to the agenda for some reason.
oh to be a fly on the wall..
I don’t follow city government that closely but are that many cases and “significant exposure to litigation” normal?
oh. hells no, fullerton is a small town-this is happening because the cover is finally being ripped of of the corruption -Kelly’s death and life were not in vain.
not at all….
Mr. Kelly Thomas-was and is a HERO, to the good people of fullerton.His murder let the light shine.THE SHECHINAH GLORY,IE.AN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. On evil in high place,s GOD BLESS All who know this to be true. AND NO HE DID NOT DIE IN VAIN*
I feel the same way my friend. God bless TIGERSMANLSU!
#5 is the Officer Rincon sexual abuse case.
#7 is the Veth Mam police brutality, false arrest, perjury case.
Any clues on the others?
I think there are 1 or 2 more Ricon’s, the case before Mam’s-forgot his name-hes the one who got pushed around and filled out a complaint that was never followed up on
no, i have no idea..
California has lead the nation in many areas since the 60’s. The level of government and union corruption, existing all the way up to, and including Sacramento, are troubling. Picture every metropolitan area of every state with a Bell, CA and a Fullerton. ie “Mexico” Gotta love multiculturalism.
says anticipated, probably kellys and that young man that came forward the other day
young man is eddie quinonez——>> http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/oh-no-not-again/
gadz, its worse than the bell scandal
eddie quinonez was his name..
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/oh-no-not-again/
false dui
oh yeah, right
Wasn’t a DUI. He was walking. Just drunk in public w/ a .0
Looks like everybody is all Lawyer’d up!
I’ll bet the Lawyers are Happy though!
well, that’s why lawyers were invented
From having a close, personal friend get falsely arrested, and the mental trauma he still suffers, is something these individuals will also suffer for the rest of their lives. My friend is not scared of gang members, he is scared of black and whites. He flinches and hides when he hears sirens, and freezes when a unit rolls by when he is walking on the sidewalk. His arrest was in 2003, so as you can see, the trauma of not only a false arrest, but one where he was beaten, pepper sprayed excessively, and convicted of something he did not do, will stay with him for life.
MerJoe it was the quinones case
i have a good feeling about charges being filed..
i think reality is, may be right as far as the timeline as to when the other officers arrived..
2-4 charged maybe .. last two came after the fact??
what do you think merijoe?
i’m sorry to hear that about your friend fedup..
hopefully as the yrs pass he will heal..
my first husband was abusive, and it took me many many yrs not to flinch around any man..
i wish hm well
btw.. did your friend press charges??
We’ll see how many people show up to the council meeting Tuesday night! There should be people standing in the parking lot for this!!
HA! No one is minding the store!! They’re all too damn busy watching football and Dancing With The Stars!!!
I’ve had it up to here with smug pricks like you spewing that tired old line every time to explain failures in govenment.
BTW, you forgot to add “Well, its true” and “Just sayin'”.
#18, I am with you on that only 2 or 3 get charged based on timeline. I am guessing Ramos, cicinelli and Hampton. Wolf is a fat wussy and spent most of the time on his back and Blatney and Sgt Kevin Craig got there after the fact!
You are saying that Cicinelli and Ramos made initial contact with kelly, Wolf and Hampton showed up next , then Blatney and Craig only arrived after Kelly was unconscious for the hogtie?
I think this post about Cicinelli summed it up perfectly: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/who-was-there-the-fpd-six/#comment-35318
The 6 cops are equally culpable. If they laid one or no hands on Kelly, they are responsible. If they did nothing to prevent or stop the murder, they aided and abetted a felony murder!
DAMN… that’s one hell of a big party the Fullerton P.D. had before they finally got BUSTED!!
STILL LOVE FULLERTON,
FEDUP and I met him 3 years after his arrest. We conducted an extensive investigation ourselves into his case, however, the statutes were long gone. We were successful in getting that individual off the streets for awhile. He is now a SGT. and in charge of others. I boil over thinking of his actions and advancements because of said dirty deeds.
wow, i’m really sorry to hear that!!
prayers for your friend..
Amazing how much potential damage looms because the three monkey’s, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil allowed an out of control Police dept to [mal]function!
Anon, wolf and ramos made initial contact. upon that contact ramos threatned Kelly Thomas, which instigated the confrontation!
Hampton and Cicinelli arrived separately or in the same car? Hate to think those two were partners. What a team!
#31 local bus. owner: I called this one a while ago! It seems like this was the case re the video that ‘we the people’ can’t see but know what is to be true with reason. Something was said to Kelly to make him get up and run, it’s obvious but since the public isn’t privy to the tape, it just makes sense. Physical evid. w/regard to his trauma indicates he was restrained during the beating (murder). I’m not buying Cicinelli’s inability to reason due to a prior injury at LAPD, that’s just his excuse for what he did. He’s an evil cop who has hurt his last victim.
If sissynelli has judgement issues or problems discerning right and wrong because of his injuries, he should not have been hired to police in fullerton !
It actually makes sense that Wolf and Ramos initiated contact. A previous witness interviewed here said a Hispanic officer displayed his nightstick to Kelly before Kelly fled. He may have been the one who held kelly in the chok hold doing a number on his ribs. Wolf was just standing there awhile before he got on Kelly’s back. Hampton and Cicinelli arrived shortly after and may have been the happy tasers. The witness on OCTD said, “the guy who came with the taser, kneed him first, then tasered him..” Could that have been Cicinelli’s arrival?
were you an actual witness?? or is this heresay??
What time are the city council meetings?
http://www.cityoffullerton.com/about/meetings_live.asp#bodyTop
To Serve and Protect — the State
Conclusion
Protect yourself, because the police are not paid to care.
Thanks, SLF.
Would somebody please call out Joe Felz’ salary raise during the public comments section for the bullshit that it is?
I can’t be there unfortunately, or I would do it myself.
Isn’t Felz’ “raise” simply intended to reflect his change in employment status, up from ‘acting city manager’ to ‘city manager?’
Joe Felz couldn’t manage an ant farm. $200K for this boob? Really?
In his first few months in office this zero handed over the keys of the City to the cops and then looked the other way.
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR THE LIE “THERE WAS NO SETTLEMENT OFFER.”
MUST BE ALL THE ILLEGALS, I BET.
I understand your friends survival response. I tremble when I see pigs and I am a retired teamster who has grown up in rough neighborhoods in Boston and the abuse I have experienced and witnessed at the hands of sadistic badge and gun holders who are protected by corrupt politicians and judges.
I vote down each and every attempt to enrich the law enforcement in my community. If I were to see police abuse or shakedowns I carry my camera ready to video and if threatened i will make a loud vocal scene to protect my life and the video before they do a number on me.
The other cops did nothing to stop the violent assault they are just as guilty. They all need to be fired jailed and loose all benefits.
Total agreement. When regular citizens are charged with murder, their accomplices are too. No special treatment for the cops. Their SUPPOSED to be held to a higher standard. PROTECT and serve!
They’re. I hate grammitical errors:) I was just caught up in the response.
TRUTH! They are all guilty.
for years, fullerton city council has authorized use of tax dollars to buy off scandal resulting from incompetence, greed, and personal political ambitions. Redevelopment funds, do-nothing collaboratives, creation of jobs to give to friends (think Rosemary the whale)and now police abuse so severe it resulted in the death of a Fullerton resident. Sad for us, the likes of Bankhead, McKinley and Jones are replicated throughout and at every level of our “representative ” government. Those three aforementioned men who serve themselves at our expense while claiming to serve the people personify the evils of big government. Now, those notorious three will use our tax dollars to buy lawyers to buy off their misdeeds and incompetence.
It’s obvious why the D A is hiding the video. It shows in detail the roles of these animals very clearly. Oh! your city board is meeting this week to increase the benefit packages of these corrupt cops in event the cop union looses control of the city council down the road. You people need to show up and protest it down. Watch out for the cops sendind in their swat teams to squash this bull shit once and for all.
YOU MEAN HE RESISTED AND SHOWED VIOLENT UNCONTROLLABLE BEHAVIOR DURING HIM BEING RESTRAINED AND CONTINUED TO IGNORE ANY POLICE REQUESTS AND CONTINUED TO RESIST AND ACT UNCONTROLABLY RESULTING HIM IN BEIN TAZED JUST AS ANY OTHER VIOLENT UNCONTROLLABLE PERSON RESISTING ARREST IS…
STEALTH….NOT SWAT
Resisted arrest for what? Contempt of cop? What were the charges? They killed the guy….who was innocent of the crime…that never ever really ever happened in the first place.
Really. Are you the kind of person who thinks that if they say someting then it is so. That’s called fantasy. Where is the freak’in video????? It will not lie like you. Go away.
The video is horrifying.
On CNN, DA’s office spokesperson Susan Kang Schoroeder, a seasoned pro, choked up and very nearly broke down when asked to descibe what she saw on it. It will be the single most important piece of evidence at trial, followed by the autopsy report.
Expect to see it for the first time then, so that it will retain its maximum impact with the jury. If the DA can play it smart, the jury will see just before deliberations begin. And so will we.
You mean after the do-nothing DA files window dressing charges agains a couple of the murderers?
Fred, define “window dressing charges” please.
If that crap were true, the audio & video would have been released immediately.
Has he earned that? I’m an outsider looking in, but my gut tells me the answer is no.
i wish Mark Cabaniss would write a piece explaining how the officers who stood around and watched were just as guilty, aiding and abetting, driving getaway cars, lying to protect them, etc. and hopefully before the DA announces any charges. all his pieces have been fantastic so far.
CHARGES CAN BE FILED ALL DAY AND EVERY DAY, THAT MEANS NOTHING, IF THEY ARE PROSECUTED AND THEN FOUND GUILTY THEN MAKE YOUR COMMENT….
EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER AND IN PICTURES!!
NEWSFLASH!!!!! The citizens are not the hold-up. Talk to your buddy the DA and get this done already. GO away.
The phrase ‘more harm than good’ certainly comes to mind. These ‘public servants’ should be caged for their criminal activities and wasting the tax payer’s hard earned money.
MAYBE U SHOULD BE CAGED AND MADE THERE PERSONAL BITCH AND THEN U WELL HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH…
Well i haven’t stolen millions from people and murdered and caged the same illegally. See, people should be punished for breaking the law – Thou shall not kill and Thou shall not steal. I haven’t done those things but the folks at fullerton sure have.
Exactly. I don’t get their attitude of “you should be caged for disagreeing with us.” While the rest of us have the attitude of “you should be caged for murder, molestation, stealing, and perjury.” The two attitudes aren’t even close.
Another genius. “Their” not “there”. Idiot. Go away.
I don’t see my big raise on the agenda. Is everyone still mad at me?
NOPE.. no temp insanity defense for him.. How long ago did this shit happen to him?
Screw that.. He was fine.. just a TRUE REPRESENTATIVE of that police department.
I really feel bad for the good cops out there..
I think the good cops need to come forward across America and put the WHOLE FPD out of work…
Fire every single one of them… all of them..
You cannot tell me SIX Peace Officers all went insane at once..
Leave that shit out of here.. Unless it is being used to take down the corrupt people who
Hired
Trained
Disciplined
Watched Over
Ate with
etc..
He is a murder and the others are accomplices guaranteed…
Listen.. I can work at McDonald’s and still be a good person.. <<what am I saying.. If I was a police officer at FPD.. I would turn in all of them and quit my job.. No job is worth supporting murderers
Right. The problem was that the incompetent and corrupt McKinley hired a physically disabled man who had been refused further employment by LAPD – and that’s setting the bar as low as you can.
Did McKinley do it as a favor? As payback for services rendered in the past? Who know? Who cares?
The simple fact of the matter is that McKinley put the public at risk to satisfy his own impulses, whatever they were.
And that maneuver is going to cost the taxpayers plenty by the time Mardirossian gets through with Fullerton.
Thanks, McKinley.
Poor retard.. and I do say that by apologizing first to any truly mentally retarded peoples.
Your current state of mind and interactions with Life are disgusting and vile beyond reproach. Your Mother has already wished she could get away with retroactively aborting you but even that would be too kind.
I think we should
Taser you 6 times
Knee drop on your body
Ya know.. you are so sick.. THE MAN WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE!!!…
You could hear him yelling for help saying he couldn’t breathe and begging for a mythical creation to save him and begging for his father to save him
He cried out to both his god and his father while they continued to
BLUDGEON AND TASE HIM
I am sorry Kelly that people choose to overlook the homeless and brokenhearted while horrible humans who abused the public trust murdered you
How can this man go to that meeting with a smile knowing all of the money the good citizens of Fullerton will have to pay out in legal fines and fees because of his committees incompetence and corruption?
NEPOTISM is pretty deeply rooted in Fullerton. People should be inquiring about the relatives of all the principal names that keep appearing. You may be surprised to learn the positions and business relations that have been influenced. There is actually an extensive amount of CORRUPTION in Fullerton.
Why don’t you just tell us who’s who?
In the name of “Protect and Serve”, Fullerton City and Police Dept. received a good donation from Towing Cars companies. They are working closely behind the scence at your expense and protect by law enformcement. Million of dollars flowing through cracks.
Only few special people can have Towing businesses in Orange County.
Would you dare to raise a red flag? I will giving you more information.
Doesnt surprise me at all, but name names please
I wonder if any of them use those family tree sites.. Maybe we could research it and find out how many other unqualified dolts steal taxes from the good people of Fullerton.
I know a couple posts here mentioned business owners and other afraid .. very afraid to even sign the recall ticket because they feared backlash by the sociopaths that run Fullerton… they said they knew for sure bad things would happen to them and their business if they did…
City inspectors?
Tax audits
Health audits
idk.. what else can they do to a business?
deny loans
deny improvement projects
underfund their neighborhoods
give all the funding to corrupt out of area developers
what else?
10 million in penalties etc at least facing them and some suit wants to ask for a raise? That he didn’t even earn.. just being a stand in..
10 million. You’re being far too kind. I’d say at least 5 times that. There are a lot of lawsuits. And Garo got 25 million for his last police brutality case that didn’t result in a death. There should be a freeze on all wages. It would be extremely irresponsible to give raises when the city faces litigation that could easily reach 100 million+.
Joe Bloe wrote: “Garo got 25 million for his last police brutality case that didn’t result in a death.”
Joe, as odd as it may seem, death is often cheaper than life.
I have been involved in obtaining insurance for extreme sports events I’ve produced. Interestingly, we have routinely insured deaths up to $2 million each, while serious injuries to accident survivors are insured to $5 million. It’s all about actual damages and loss of earnings: Taking care of a young quadriplegic or a head injury for the rest of his or her life being very, very expensive.
Besides you’ve got your facts wrong. According to info on Mardirossian’s own website, he did indeed obtain the largest payout ever in a police brutality case: $15.9 million, but, and this is a very big BUT, there were 36 plaintiffs in that case. Individual payouts to the victims ranged from $35,000 to $3.9 million. The larger amount went to a victim who survived with a debilitating head injury. If he had been killed the figure might very easily have been half that.
It’s possible Mardirossian might get a jury to penalize the City of Fullerton and the FPD many millions of dollars, but I doubt even Garo expects that to really happen given the fact that the officers went to work that night already authorized to use deadly force when they deem it necessary. I would guess that Ron Thomas can reasonably expect to get no more than $2 million or so, maybe a little more, probably significantly less.
Now if Garo can get a jury to rule that a pattern of such extreme misbehavior was shown and that it was accepted by the FPD and the City, punitive damages could climb much higher, but that is going to be a very difficult thing to prove. The Mam case, and this latest to be filed, just don’t rise to that level.
wow 25,000,000 dollars I would buy ld buy a few of those vacant lots down there on commonwealth or raymond and build a huge community garden. tomatoes squash carrots corn ganja chickens goats. food not bombs or other useless bullshit.
peace. or war you decide what is better.
I read that Ramos put on a pair of leather gloves, and while doing so said to Kelly “….these are the hands that are going to kick your a–,” then that’s when Kelly got up and tried to run.
A friend of mine who is helping to collect signatures for the recall told me that city employees are supportive, but afraid to sign the recall, for fear of retalliation from the 3 stooges. How very said!
Not really. The PD uses latex or nitrile gloves which they put on prior to doing a search. Why don’t we wait for the DA to tell us what Ramos’s DAR said. It won’t be long, and don’t be surprised if only two get a wrist slap in terms of formal charges.
HGWT-who’s to say he had that stupid thing turned on? I hear they sometimes dont have it on
OUTSIDER,
Having video, and knowing your rights, will help greatly if confronted. Making a scene might lead to further problems, but you make that decision.
I still want to know who ok’d that $900 thousand offer to Ron Thomas – dont think thats forgotten-someone should bring that up tonight at the meeting-more cover
It wasn’t a cover-up, it was the right thing to do; standard operating procedure. To not have tried to settle quickly would have been malpractice by the city attorney. And it was a relatively generous offer, reflecting the seriousness of the case.
As I’ve mentioned before, Sellers was the chief here in Laguna Beach when a homeless man was tased to death while being held in our city jail! Yes, while already in custody! The family of the victim took a <$250,000 settlement and walked away, but the community was outraged, leading to significant reform in the way our local cops interact with the homeless.
If was the “right thing to do” how come the City Manager later denied there was a settlement offer?
Who knows? I really have no idea why the City Manager denied that an offer had been made. What is your source for this?
And by ‘right thing to do’ I’m not talking about morally or politically, I’m talking strictly legally.
If the firm with which the city contracts to provide city attorney services had done anything but recommend a speedy and reasonable offer of settlement in this case, it would have been guilty of gross malpractice, possibly even putting itself on the line downstream. And if the city doesn’t listen to, accept and quickly act on the city attorney service’s advice, what’s the point of paying them in the first place?
Never mind, I have answered my own question. The source was “fullerton stories,” amateurs trying to get a leg up on other amateurs I suppose.
In that piece Felz was quoted explaining that while he could not comment specifically on pending legal matters, “any settlement offer can only be made with authorization of the City Council. The City Council has not authorized a settlement agreement in this case.”
And that was true. Ron Thomas was given a memo outlining the details of a POTENTIAL settlement offer. Felz could not/would not comment on negotiation, but he could comment on matters of public record, and the record showed that the Council had not approved an offer.
Ya know, I have to wonder: Why do the official regular bloggers on FFF continually misstate facts and distort the true picture?
The truth is gnarly enough and The Fullerton Harpoon surely must have known that Ron Thomas was never tendered an official settlement offer, only a memo detailing a potential offer… I know this has been discussed here before and it appears to have been made into a bone of contention by FFF’s rival, Fullerton Stories.
So why play games and waste my time implying (with yet another question, a favorite FFF tactic) that Felz was lying when he denied a settlement offer had been made?
Whata buncha manipulative, disappointing bullshit.
Oh, it wasn’t an “offer” it was a “potential offer.” Talk about splitting hairs.
An offer is an offer.
Johnny Donut: “An offer is an offer.”
Umm no. Not legally.
Perhaps if I had used the word ‘memo of understanding’ instead of ‘potential offer’ you’d get the difference. So I’ll tell you now, the document FFF wrongly presented as an offer is nothing more than a memo, notes outlining details of a possible settlement the Council would have to review and vote to offer. If the two parties had been close the offer would have been made. That’s how it works and no matter how some would like to spin it as evidence of a cover-up, this is the SOP process.
Regarding our friend who was falsely arrested and convicted, FEDUP and I sat down with the Station Commander, (female Capt.), her OPS LT., a Watch Commander, (LT.), and one attorney from the Office Of Independent Review, (Gennaco’s office).
What we witnessed were out and out lies, deceptions, obfuscations, false witness testimonies, and the such. Our friend was there also to give his side of the story, howeverr, was refuted by all, as to not be truthful. We quickly realized that they were circling-the-wagons, and would not present the real truth. We were wasting our time, so we set up a meeting with a Commander downtown, and presented him with the facts. Not too much became of this, but it showed everyone, that we were not going to be lied to, given a pat on the behind, and told not to worry about it.
That deputy was subsequently removed from the streets for a period of time, but is out there as a SGT. now.
This fight regarding the Kelly case, has to continue until all of these cronies/criminals are put where they belong; either on the unemployment line, or prison.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
“That deputy was subsequently removed from the streets for a period of time, but is out there as a SGT. now.”
may i ask what city this is??
STILL LOVE FULLERTON,
He is out in Lancaster now.
ty..
Aggravated Assault.
Yep. Under color of authority. Slap on the wrist.
There’s a DEAD MAN involved. Not even Rackauckas can make that fact go away.
In California the charge is correctly referred to as Assault with a Deadly Weapon. It’s what’s known as a wobbler, ADW can be charged as a felony or misdemeanor.
The facts in this case– and I can’t stress this enough– do not support a misdemeanor, what they do support is felony ADW with a Gross Bodily Injury enhancement.
The sentencing guidelines for this crime are 2-4 years in state prison, up to a $10,000 fine and victim restitution, PER COUNT, and counts would be likely added *per blow” if they can be shown individually on the video. And I’m not sure but “under color of authority’ could be a further enhancement.
Simply put, multiple counts of ADW with GBI = every serious charges.
I hope you’re right. And I hope the DA does something this week. This is draining. Can we move past the first step? Charge someone with something.
I’d like to see even more serious charges, I believe Kelly Thomas was murdered, but perhaps the best we can hope for, given all the difficulties the DA faces in prosecuting cops, might be charges resulting in something in the range of 10 to 15 years in state prison for the multiple count offenders, and 2 to 5 for the lesser involved.
Comments?
“very serious charges”
The informant is on KFI saying Cicinelli will be charged for sure. Not sure what the charge is yet.
Just heard Tony on KFI saying the “slap on the wrist” to the other three will be “aggravated assault.”
“waste your time”. Are you fucking kidding me??? This is America. If your just going to mince words about the terminology then don’t waste our time. Asshole. No one says you have to read ANYTHING. Who asked you??? No one is contending that this issue about the “offer” has anything to do with anything. You’re the one who made an issue about it and kept posting. WTF. Go away.
Wow, Cindy MC, impressive, a true believer!
I guess you missed the implication in the question asked by one of FFF’s official bloggers here:
My point is that The Fullerton Harpoon had to of known full well that what he was posting was bullshit.
It’s been discussed here before and clearly Felz denied an official offer had been made by the City of Fullerton, he did not deny that settlement terms had been discussed, in fact he went out of his way to make clear that he could not talk about that.
So if Harpoon knew all this, why did he trot out that same tired assertion and put it in the form of a question? To plant seeds of doubt and provoke further fear of a cover-up.
And if I take the time to look up what really went down and question his bullshit, so what? I’m just an asshole for calling him on it.
L oh friggin L. 🙂
Sorry, true believers, zealots and group thinkers always make me laugh. 🙂
When someone writes a number on a piece of paper and hands it to you, that’s called an “offer” no matter what the idiot city manager says.
Manny Ramos just surrendered to OCSD, charged with 2nd degree murder
Cincinelli charged wtih involuntary manslaughter. No others were charged!