How To Blow $17,000
Item #3 on yesterday’s agenda was a request by Acting Chief-Until-Mike-Sellers-Pulls-His-Head-Out-and-Comes-Back-to-Work Hamilton to buy some spiffy raincoats for his lads. 200 to be precise, at a cost of $17,000. That’s $85 bucks a pop, and presumably Hamilton got a great discount for quantity.
These uber-raincoats meet some sort of Federal guideline for work in “federal-aid” highways right-of-ways (weren’t you losing sleep worrying about that?). And naturally the current coats are old and only “water resistant.” Typical. in government resource mismanagement is always used as an excuse for big, new, outlays.
But consider this: right now Fullerton’s entire police force numbers about 140 (give or take, depending on how many are on paid or unpaid administrative leave and can’t work on any highway, federal-aid or otherwise. Then there’s the fact that not all 140 are on duty at any one time. Then there’s the fact that only a fraction of the force will actually be on patrol when it’s actually raining and might be needed to stand around after a car crash. Finally there’s the obvious fact that these people really ought to be able to share a few dozen of the same infrequently used garments.
Please note that because the money is from asset seizure and not General Fund, the requestor is unashamed to make such a profligate request.
So how did our esteemed city council vote? Apparently it passed on the Consent Calendar nod 5-0.
I’m not surprised that the Three Blind Mice went for this. Or Quirk, either. But Whitaker? Really Bruce?
Wait a minute! Yeah, lets have patrol officers share equipment: service weapons, nightsticks, handcuffs… All we really need is enough for officers on the biggest shift, plus a few extras.
…I also believe that if they were so concerned with protecting their own bacon so much, and they have all of this “free” money that they’ve seized from drug seizures and asset forfeitures, that they go down to Fry’s Electronics today and buy themselves the waterproof Full HD/GPS camcorder made by Contour that mounts next to your eyes and goes for $199.
That move would save both police AND civilian lives, however it makes too much sense to ever become reality.
They know that it is necessary to be prepared to deploy the entire department in the event of a disaster whether man made or natural, unrest, terrorist attack, and crowd control if any of these occur in inclement weather. Local governments are preparing for a wide array of scenarios. The general public, although largely unaware of this, should also be prepared for the same as well. Earthquakes, major power failures, riots, food shortages, terrorist attacks, austerity implementation (bank holidays or failures) are ALL a possibilty. Dont kid yourselves. We should all be ready for all of these. Let us view this as a wake up call for our community. The handwriting is on the wall. The Kelly Thomas murder should make it evidently clear that the local officials in Fullerton are not benevolent. In my opinion they continue to dig in their heels with no RETRACTION of the lies surrounding the brutal kidnap, torture, and murder of an innocent man. Like I have said before, if that is how they treated a Fullerton resident on a warm summer night on double time with full stomachs, full wallets, functioning atms, power still up, water still running, buildings still standing, and peace on the streets, what will they be like when it hits the fan? Extrapolate from there.
A bit dramatic… Yes Kelly Thomas was murdered, but I don’t think he was kidnapped.
Hey, wait a minute. I designed a raincoat, too!
Didnt you design a blouse for certain types of women?
The coats are nice but my agency makes me buy mine if I want to stay dry and warm. Fullerton cops are coddled.
The federal/OSHA requirements are true. Private companies and agencies have been transitioning for the last 24 months.
And $85 is a good price. A buddy of mine is a factory rep for one of the coat manufactures and that’s what he charged me. Shit, maybe I got screwed too!
I have no doubt the coats cost $85 – even “wholesale.” Governments are always buying overpriced stuff.
I’d like to know why FPD needs 200 freakin’ rain coats!
Well, first if you don’t get one for everybody you’ll have the union on your ass. And just in case half the force loses or sells their rain coat you’ll have some extras.
Sharing raincoats transmits icky BO germs.
Better to be on the safe side.
So, are they gonna let the homeless use those while our pension pullers sit in their warm and comfy cruizer? what a cop actually gonna get out of their car during the rain…rain coat or not- they wont be out in the rain. Dumb ass move Kevy baby , I may get liquored up tonight and drunk dial ya..Really raincoats? Lets work on gettin the Rincon ilk outta the dept first…A big WTF? Seriously guys, the city is having huge PR problems with the PD, couldnt spend the 17 thou on ..I dont know..A meat and great, instead of a meet and beat? Invite the public in, let us meet Fullertons Finest…nope we get to pay for rain gear.
Our fine police force puts its life on the line for us everyday, protecting us from gangs of thugs, drug users, thieves, and killers.
We have a moral obligation to make their jobs as safe and secure as possible.
$17.000 is next nothing for promoting the health and safety of our fine chief and his department.
Yeah, we wouldn’t want our “finest” to get wet (or should I say, covered with blood, when they dog pile on top of, and bludgeon and kick and Taser to death, the next Kelly Thomas, or when they’re hiding in the bushes shooting at men holding garden hose nozzles. What was your address again? I’m sure we could arrange to have the $17,000 bill sent to you, Back the Badge.
Our “fine chief”, as you call the cowardly swine, is pulling down $19,000 a MONTH for sitting at home next to the beach laughing about how hard we all have to work to pay him for doing so.
His is definitely not sleeping at night without the aid of some pharma product or spirits. He has to look at himself in the mirror at least once a day and realize what he has done. Poor guy. Its much better to be on the right side of things with a clear conscience. Hey Chief its never too late to do the right thing.
at least twice a day – in the morning to put his teeth in, in the evening to take them out. And, at $19K per month – he could have donated the raincoats and taken a tax writeoff; oh, wait – are these raincoats to wear in the rain? or the “other” kind of raincoats – heh heh heh?
“Our fine police force puts its life on the line for us everyday, protecting us from gangs of thugs, drug users, thieves, and killers.”
This would be funny, were it not so fucking pathetic.
The FPD is a “gang of thugs,” proven time and again right here on this website.
Drug users, thieves and killers?
Again, welcome to the FPD.
Justice for Kelly Thomas. We’re still here, nationwide.
hahahahah, was this a serious post?
Back The Badge, put down the pipe and walk away…
Goodblimp’s pipe or the crack pipe?
fuck the badge and the clowns who prance behind it. PIGS cannot respond to an actual citizen in need because they are to busy builing TAX PAYING citizens and picking on kids.
WHY does it take THREE cop cars to give a citizen a ticket for honking his horn?
And don’t say that bullshit don’t call 911, yeah because you couldnt make in time. IF I have a problem I call on my .38 special then call the coroner.
FIRE FIGHTERS ARE THE REAL HEROS
NOT PIGS!!!
This is total bullshit and a waste of money. The Fullerton Police took 7k of my partners money just because he was growing some personal medical marijuna. In Mexico the cops have to buy their own gear. If they want to drive a nice police car they should have to buy it themselves just like a guy working construction, he buys his own tools.
If they’re Goretex raincoats they probably are at least $ 85.00. A good rain coat that breathes and repels water is expensive, and probably worth the investment (I think mine is). What I don’t understand is why they had to buy them for the entire force at once. Don’t they have any now?
Maybe some of the merchandise grows legs and walks off…
The stuff taxpayers buy, always grows legs and mysteriously disappears.
Nurses, Doctors, Ralph’s employees, Target employees, etc., etc., etc., buy their own uniforms, shoes, boots, etc. And, if grocery store employees need to use raingear, they share the company owned raingear that is kept at the building. Our “finest” deserve no more.
Tuco Knows….
Quality raincoats cost more than $85. The breathable type could be $150. But since this was done with some asset seizure money, the council let it go through! Now, usually asset seizure money comes from assets auctioned off and the dough divvied up by the various departments involved. Fullerton obviously has one or two undercover policemen assigned to the Orange Co. narc units. Usually they are the best trained. The out of shape, waitin for the pension, donut swilling types become the public information officer (Sgt. Goodlie) or the Union President!
tuco dont know
rain coats can be purcashed for less then 40 dollars at millitrary surplus stores. these pigs arnt outdoors men they dont need breathable suits!!!
they could even sport rain ponchos!!! for less then 5 dollars.
i bet pigs think they need 100 octane gas for their piggy cars
I would find out about the company or the salesperson who sold them these raincoats. Please find out who he is and what is his relationship to the department or who he is friends with. FOLLOW THE MONEY TRIAL!!!!!
I know several retire officers sell “police equipment” at an outrages price to all their friends.
Come on, really! If this item is the high point of govt fiscal mismanagement that deserves blog space, I guess the pickings are getting pretty slim. This is truly at the level of petty bitchiness on FFFFs part.
So says you, as you queue up to get in line for a brand new $85 raincoat. Maybe they’ll have fur lined collars and matching accessories to go with your pretty blue eye shadow!
@Walter F Startbuck, Jr dont know what rock you are hiding under with your keyboard but in case you havent notice every city is complaining about being cash strapped. Buying 200 fucking coats is the last thing this city should be doing. So yes everything needs to be watched and transparent. They have proved they cannot be trusted period!
So is that what this new chief of Fullerton Security Forces does all day flip through catalogs to see what the new wears are for Security Forces?
I’m not hiding under any rock you dickhead! Some of you people are completely off your rockers with your unthinking, knee-jerk anti-govt, pseudo-libertarianship. Whether you consider yourself a super-right wing nut or an equally nuts left wing anarchist — GET A BRAIN AND START USING IT. And, no, buying 200 raincoats is not the last thing Fullerton needs to be doing. Civilizing the PD and ridding it of its rogue officers, restructuring salary and benefits is far more important. We’ve got a few years to go, but Vallejo’s fate may await Fullerton. Bankruptcy! 200 raincoats is not even worth talking about!
Ah oh! Someone got their lil feelings hurt. Maybe a mudhut then?
Someone needs to demand the specs on those raincoats. Unless they have hidden laser cannons and rocket launchers they’re not worth $85 apiece. This is another example of the $400 toilet seat.
Here’s a raincoat for only $179.99. Boy, did those morons on the city council get taken to the cleaners!
http://www.galls.com/uniformstyle?assort=general_catalog&style=RW004
200 rain coats in a county where it rarely rains? Never-ending and alarming lack of conscious in all matters great and small with this entire city council and the Police Department. Fullerton’s future is overdue for serious prayer. Will someone join me?
Allow me:
Oh dark lord Satan of Hades and Hell, reach up your bony fingers and snatch the souls from the hoary Council of Abuses who enrage us! Send them quickly into the crackling Lake of Eternal Fire and Damnation that their screams of agony may forever echo throughout the underworld. All hail Satan! (*poof!*)
Amen!
It appears that he already has and they eventually will unless they turn from their ways. Its never too late to do the right thing-ESPECIALLY NOW WHILE THEY STILL HAVE THE CHANCE BEFORE THE VIDEO GOES VIRAL.
That was just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that wouldn’t do anything more than scare a few superstitious peasants. The real McCoy uses phonetics, not words, and it could definitely whoop a can of pestilence on City Hall, or FPD. Imagine Goodrich or Reality Is with a face covered with oozing boils!
We put our lives on the line for you everyday, protecting us from gangs of thugs, drug users, thieves, and killers like us.
IF we want ‘top-flight’ raincoats, we should get them. We are entitled to them so stop it.
Amen!
AFter reading CackleFoos’ prayer to the demonic one, I pictured McKinley’s folically-challenged head with large read satan horns and pitchfork in hand.
Works for me! You can pick just about any deviant, sociopathic, homocidal name out of the air and they look
JUST LIKE PAT McKINLEY! I wonder why that is???
Thank you!! Now I know what R.I. looks like!!
what happpens to the old raincoats? and why now all of a sudden the need and desire for new ones?
it’s going to rain a couple days this winter.
The issue is really not the per coat cost. But because the money is “asset seizure” dough, the Police Dept looks at it as being piss it off or lose it money. That’s government SOP.
Why 200 coats?
Are these idiots squandering our money just so the FPD brass could give some of these coats away as Christmas presents?
WTF, over?
“.. because the money is “asset seizure” dough, the Police Dept looks at it as being piss it off or lose it money. ”
cant they find a better use for this money, like trimming overhanging trees or fixing sidewalk cracks or Jenny Craig programs for some cops? just curious
Bottom line there is a law being broken. All cash seizures need to be put into an interest bearing account and if it is deemed as “evidence” it needs to be sent to the DA’s office. Once again lack of enforcement over there off Highland.
Now, this is a great point!
asset seizures are not just cash seizures. And what good would it do going to the DA office?
Tuco knows……… How about giving the money to the public defenders office so Tuco won’t have that rope burning around his neck! A day doesn’t go by without my thinking about that rope………
That Jennie Craig program is a great idea for FPD, particularly their union cops.
Cutting back on all those donut runs would also be ideal.
I see that mother fucker Whittaker voted for this slop. Recall his fat ass too!!
CC, Whitaker is not a MF!
U’ R correct he is a FF! (a father fucker)
“large read satan horns”.
I know I typed in RED instead of READ. WTF?
There’s only one way to reverse an incantation – send money!
They should take this money and start paying back the city for the 350000 check they cut for these assholes molesting task force. Also save up and pay back for all the pending lawsuit’s on the way. Even better give it to KTMF.org .
Swear to god these guys get dumber and dumber by the day! All of them! We have to have the worst city manager, council and Chief of Security Forces in OC.
Oh I forgot to mention once the case is adjudicated the DA sends the money back to the police department minus the percentage they charge for their work. Asset forfeiture money can only be used for police training and equipment. Sorry no fancy lights at the train station cafe. I called the PD and a lady at the desk told me this.
Great La Roo. Do you trust any FPD officer’s word of mouth?
Based on my personal experience during employment with another public agency, La Roo is pretty accurate on the approved uses for asset seizure funds. With some creativity, though, perhaps an argument could be made that lights in specific areas are necessary to help deter criminal activity and could justify the use of those funds for that purpose.
This is just a stupid post, Mr. P. Our officer’s need safety equipment and I don’t mind buying it for them.
And, by posting this here, you give fodder to the anti-recall folks…. shame.
I don’t see you whipping out your checkbook.
Keep your eyes open, I whip it out all the time!
then you pay for it and while you got your checkbook out why dont you write some settlement checks too. I think we are well pass what the Anti-Recall folks think about us. Why, they have said many of times what they think about the recall.
wt hell? why is that? the post isnt stupid at all, every little crumb they drop should be scrutinized by the Taxpayers of the community since no one elected seems to care about the people-and since when is a raincoat a piece of “safety equipment”? well unless you think they might melt when water hits them
Fodder? What kind of fodder? Those people just make shit up.
Do you think a department of 140 cop needs 200 raincoats, especially in a climate with 15 inches of rain per year?
That’s not my idea of fiscal conservatism and that’s what the Three Deaf Donkeys pretend to be. Hell, McKinley even got the GOP Central Committee endorsement.
Mr. P, one only needs a rain coat when its raining, right?
The Fullerton PD is not only made of officers, but other non-sworn employees. I don’t know that number, but I bet its closer to 200.
I don’t like the fact that we have to buy $85 jackets either, but they have to meet specifications and, as such, can cost more than your run-of-the-mill jacket. If you polled the officers, I’m sure they would rather NOT wear a jacket that is Chartreuse Yellow, Hunter Orange or reflective.
You’re right, the anti-recall people are making stuff up and posting it as fact. Actually, if you read their information, they take 2% truth then build 98% crap around it. We all get it. We see the lies. We see the BS.
You have enough real issues to attack rather than this trivial purchase.
They can have their Chartreuse Yellow, Hunter Orange or reflective rain coats; but they should pay for their own raingear, or share.
They can have their Chartreuse Yellow, Hunter Orange or reflective rain coats; but they should pay for their own raingear. They can order whatever specifications they want, as long as they pay for it.
The monies spent all add up; all the $17,000 puchases add up to big money. That’s the problem… no one watches the “trivial” purchases and then before you know it…the “piggy” bank is empty and then they come oinking to the taxpayers for more money. The taxpayers are going to be paying for their massive settlements. The FPD doesn’t care how much money is spent- as long as it doesn’t come out of their paychecks or their pension funds. It’s time for them to be held accountable for their actions, and for their own raingear.
Which “piggy” bank are you referring to?
You know, the “piggy” bank that is NEVER actually empty because it keeps getting refilled with taxpayer money.
Tax payers don’t refill the asset forfeiture fund….
That money that is “seized” from “bad guys” is seized for a reason and its not meant to be lotto ticket winnings for public government servants. It should be given back to the community
Thanks for the reply.
Non-sworn employees had better not be standing around in the the rain near the car crash. If they are we might start asking what we need the “sworn” ones for!
But even if they do, are all 200 going to be doing it at THE SAME FREAKING TIME?
God, I hope not! We’re in it big if we have our whole depatment moblizied, but I have seen it happen. Better to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
The other thing is that on car crashes cops and anyone else on the street MUST wear reflective vests now.
Rain jackets are nice for patrol though, but in California it barely rains and also most people have personal preferences for their rain coat so they buy their own. Not to mention their uniform allowance they get each year to buy uniforms.
I was going to sarcastically suggest this item is a candidate for the next forfeiture purchase, but it’s probably got a good shot at making at: a buoyant Arctic Armor Ice Fishing Suit.
http://www.idigear.com/video-fox.php
DB, I thought at first that you were right that this post seem foolish, but the value of this post shines thru when you read Vern’s comment #77 where he presents the real issue; there is a structure built into the system that not only allows but compels the Police Power to take and keep. I don’t care which way you look at it, that breeds corruption. Granted, we cannot blame our FPD. And if we , because we have had this discussion, can make others aware of this structural flaw,then FFFF has made a point that we should all be proud to have been a part of. So, despite the failures of past FPD and City leaders, more citizens are now aware of this dangerous incentive to that the Police Power has to bust “criminals” and profit therefrom. Now armed with this knowledge gained thru this “stupid” post, the couragious will confront the marauders.
Big F,er you raise a good point. Looking at it mathamatically, the incentive to “seize” in this case is the derivative of the value of a new reflective rain coat. QED
Big F’er and Chip Missing, I agree, asset forfeiture is up for discussion! I just wish Mr.P wrote about that angle…
the piggys are like little pussy cats they hate to get wet
and you think this site is anti-recall do ya? oh and would you buy me a 24-7 live stream setup in case i see a piggie trying to kill someone? thanks
Fullerton officer accused in Kelly Thomas killing will keep pension
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/cicinelli-pension.html
That is outrageous!!!!
It’s a good thing that the pension wasn’t lowered. Ron Thomas’ civil lawsuit will likely result in an award of at least 1 million dollars. A portion of every dollar paid to Cicinelli and Ramos and whomever else is deemed responsible will be directed to a bank account controlled by Ron Thomas.
They should pay for the rest of their lives, then maybe the other assholes with itchy fingers may think twice about beating up on a defenseless homeless person.
I believe Ron Thomas’ settlement will be around 10-15 million $$.
Just a hunch based on various death settlements I’ve seen in the past.
I hope you’re right. Double that wouldn’t be too much.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez says…….
LA Sheriff’s Department settled a lawsuit involving no death for $24,500,000 to one family. Fullerton is self insured city, Doc Hee Haw forgot to hire an insurance company. City has to pay out of its general funds. Cannot use agency funds that come from State or Federal sources. If it is a single year amount, it will bankrupt Fullerton.
All these problems cropping up at Fullerton PD are admissible in a civil suit via depositions. Past actions of payments to cover up officers still on the force show a pattern of neglect.
Bruce Whitaker and the lady Silva? should be demanding an investigation as to why no insurance company contracted. Fullerton is badly exposed to serious liability by donut monsters!
I hear a bankruptcy knocking at the City Hall doors!
Say hello to Bankruptcy Court.
For God’s sake… $85 each for raincoats?? Did they go shopping at Fashion Island?
Fashion Island? No they bought the raincoats from the company that makes those $885 stainless steel toilet seats. They make them in China for $15 and sell it in USA for $885. Maybe they will get a $500,000,000 Federal Grant by calling the toilet seats “green”!
thats the american by 3 dollar muffin and write it off as 16 dollars……………ah politics
The police department should not have any say in the use of asset seizure funds. This money ought to be deposited into the general fund. And so what if they still need City Council approval, it’s a private piggy bank for the benefit of the police department.
I understand that criminal forfeiture is meant to be punitive following a conviction. I just think too much incentive exists for the PD to target criminals with seizable assets and ignore the others.
Asset forfeiture is a huge incentive for cops to concoct probable cause by training a drug sniffing dog to react with a false positive, among several other tricks. They’re gaming the system to avoid judicial oversight any and every way they can.
Read the report from NYC recently about how common planting drugs on a suspect is? Then you can seize their cars, houses, etc. Nice LEO scam.
PDs shouldn’t be able to touch seized assets funds like Vernon says, at least that will take away one of the incentives for false arrests.
hear!hear!
Funny you say that. We did a random search at a local high school yesterday. A proctor decided he wanted to move his car as we got there. Odd? A little. Dog hit on the car. Ends up inside was 2 guns and drugs. A proctor at a high school? Yep, it’s everywhere, every profession, and can come up on the person you would least expect, including a cop.
you wish you were a little piggie? dont you!!!
But you are just a little bitch aint ya!!!
were is your little fag smileys?
queer
Im quite sure they dont train shit-they just make up “the dog smelled drugs”
That’s all the lying gangsters have to say and everyone will believe them-or rather, cover for them and boom, they get search then seizure funds, false arrests, a medal and bragging rights-oh yeah-you cops know im right too
Go to a drug trial sometime. See for yourself.
what the hell is that going to prove? you all are in bed with each other and you all know it
Oh ok.
oh ok
Toatally agree with you Vern!
This article is from 2008, but from what I’ve read, asset seizure is being used aggressively throughout the US.
It should be noted that asset seizure/forfeiture laws are applied to ANYONE who is part of a criminal investigation. And they don’t have to be convicted. They will just never see their money or assets again.
Seized Drug Assets Pad Police Budgets
“Every year, about $12 billion in drug profits returns to Mexico from the world’s largest narcotics market — the United States. As a tactic in the war on drugs, law enforcement pursues that drug money and is then allowed to keep a portion as an incentive to fight crime.
As a result, the amount of drug dollars flowing into local police budgets is staggering. Justice Department figures show that in the past four years alone, the amount of assets seized by local law enforcement agencies across the nation enrolled in the federal program—the vast majority of it cash—has tripled, from $567 million to $1.6 billion. And that doesn’t include tens of millions more the agencies got from state asset forfeiture programs…
…While drug-related asset forfeitures have expanded police budgets, critics say the flow of money distorts law enforcement — that some cops have become more interested in seizing money than drugs, more interested in working southbound than northbound lanes.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91490480
I sent the above article. Too early yet.
“We’re not going to sidestep the law and seize people’s money just for the financial gains of the department,” Tamez says. “It’s not going to happen.”
*** B U L L S H A T ***
The reason LE is so deadset against legalizing drugs is because their forfeiture money will go away and they’ll have to use those crappy $35 raincoats instead of the FAAABULOUS!!! $85 raincoats. What a bunch of crooks!
Crooks! Unchecked greed!
No one can tell me that LE doesn’t have asset forfeiture in mind when they do a drug bust.
The Feds are going after landlords who rent to MMJ dispensaries, even when they are not violating state laws. In essence, they can seize property of anyone who even remotely does business with them. Banks are included.
This country has become a police state, but the resistance is growing stronger every day!
http://youtu.be/2zfqw8nhUwA
You are right. That’s the only reason there are so many drug teams on every police department, every city, every state, every fed agency. It’s a huge operation and they could triple the size and still stay busy everyday. THe money and drugs they get is so sick it’s amazing.
RI, the “war” on drugs can’t be won. Anyone with half a brain knows that.
But the cops and prison guards love their little “war”…. they love saying to the moron politicians “we need more money to win the drug war”.
As long as there are people, there will be drugs.
how many of le are on meth?
id say 60% and thats being nice
ps
dont worry a real man will keep your ex wives company
LOL come on Tuco. I always said you knew everything. Either you meant .006% or you are on meth tonight. 🙂
Entirely possible. LE really has nothing to do with that decision though.
RI, do you know any statistics that describe how many LEOs are injured or killed in the “War on Drugs?” Seems to me a case could be made that cops are big losers in this war, too.
Almost none. Cops are HUGE INNERS – budget, toys, impounded Constitutional rights. Hoo Boy! Cop bo-nanza!
Depends on how you analyzed and compared it. If you weigh the amount of deaths/injuries vs the number of raids vs the number of search warrants vs the dollars and drugs confiscated, it’s worth it in a big huge way. Cops aren’t losers in that war at all. Yes, injuries and death happen, but not any more in that segment than domestic violence, etc. You have to remember in most of the drug raids against the cartels or the illegals selling and shipping in the US, the raids are done with SWAT teams.
they have nothing to do with the decision but they know about the decision and still loooove their job and continue to cover for each other
Yeehaaa 🙂
yeah right Tamaz, “its just not going to happen” lying flatfoot
sounds right they have to be “incentivized” (bribed) to do their job. i’m gonna try that at work.
“I understand that criminal forfeiture is meant to be punitive following a conviction.”
Before, during and after a conviction! The Feds usually end up keeping everything and selling it at auction, and give some to state and local agencies.
“It’s tough to know how many innocent parties may be improperly pulled into the forfeiture system. Last year, claimants challenged more than 1,800 civil-forfeiture actions in federal court, Justice Department figures show.” (see link below)
There is quite an incentive for LE to pay close attention to all sources of money, legal or illegal.
_______________________________________________
Federal Asset Seizures Rise, Netting Innocent With Guilty
“New York businessman James Lieto was an innocent bystander in a fraud investigation last year. Federal agents seized $392,000 of his cash anyway.
Jason Andrew for The Wall Street Journal
“James Lieto, far right, fought to recoup $392,000 seized in a fraud case in which his small business was an innocent bystander.
An armored-car firm hired by Mr. Lieto to carry money for his check-cashing company got ensnared in the FBI probe. Agents seized about $19 million—including Mr. Lieto’s money—from vaults belonging to the armored-car firm’s parent company.
He is one among thousands of Americans in recent decades who have had a jarring introduction to the federal system of asset seizure. Some 400 federal statutes—a near-doubling, by one count, since the 1990s—empower the government to take assets from convicted criminals as well as people never charged with a crime.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512253265073870.html
“Cicinelli’s disability scam starts to unravel”
Get use to it boys….you have more disappoints in your future…..ha ha ha
Not half as bad as the disappointments in YOUR future, piggie. How long can you hold your breath?
Good triumphs evil- what goes around, comes around
Vern said:
I understand that criminal forfeiture is meant to be punitive following a conviction. I just think too much incentive exists for the PD to target criminals with seizable assets and ignore the others.
Yes Vern good thinking it’s much better to use limited police resources on low level users and dealers than go after big money killer cartels. Did you hone your vast LE knowledge when you worked as the chief of police in Tijuana?
Every nerd with a keyboard is an expert just ask them.
Law Enforcement is not designed to be a for-profit operation.
That was Vernon’s point. Its a good one.
Gee, when was the last time Fullerton PD busted a “big money killer cartel?” Hmmm …
Read the article above:
Seized Drug Assets Pad Police Budgets
Cream of Wheat brains!
Jane, that article was completely on target. I remember reading about a businessman who was stopped for speeding in Oklahoma several years ago and had something like $13,000 on him from the sale of his business products. He didn’t have a receipt on him and couldn’t prove it wasn’t drug money so they confiscated it.
He eventually was able to prove it was not ill-gotten and got it back, but only after having to pay thousands of dollars in attorney’s fees which weren’t refunded.
So now cops have criminalized carrying U.S. currency because they want to keep it for themselves.
Yes, they have criminalized carrying money while traveling, say in a car, because that is usual mode of transportation for drug dealers.
They can stop anyone, at any time.
Here’s a little more incentive for local LE:
“Part of the debate over seizures involves a potential conflict of interest: Under a 1984 federal law, state and local law-enforcement agencies that work with Uncle Sam on seizures get to keep up to 80% of the proceeds. ”
From the same WSJ article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512253265073870.html
they can stop anyone, anytime, trot a dog around your vehicle then proclaim some made up crap that the dog “made reactions” like you have some illegal something in your possession – that gives them the reasonable suspecion/probable cause to search you and seize whatever they want and falsely arrest you
Two arrested, $1.8 million worth of cocaine seized in Colton
Mike Cruz, Staff Writer
Created: 11/18/2011 06:05:17 PM PST
Cocaine valued at $1.8 million was seized from a Mexican cartel and two men were arrested when state agents and police busted a pre-arranged drug sale Thursday in a Colton hotel parking lot.
The arrests and seizure of 18.5 kilos of cocaine were part of a California Department of Justice operation that targeted the Sinaloa cartel based in Baja California, which distributes cocaine throughout Southern California, according to a DOJ statement.
Working with a confidential informant, an undercover agent arranged to purchase cocaine from a person associated with the cartel. At the pre-arranged meeting Thursday in Colton, agents arrested Juan M. Flores, 40, of Tecate, Mexico and Jose Vega Diaz, 47, of Whitter.
Both men were booked into jail in Riverside County and are being held in lieu of $1 million bail each.
“This operation is an example of the complex and multi-jurisdictional work that Department of Justice agents do every day to keep California safe,” Attorney General Kamala D. Harris said in the statement. “I commend these agents for their bravery and professional excellence.”
Special agents with the state Inland Crackdown Allied Task Force conducted the undercover sting operation into the drug trafficking activities of the cartel.
The operation is the latest in a series of DOJ-led operations targeting transnational gangs across California, which included the seizure of 18 kilos of cocaine from a vehicle that crossed the
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border at the Calexico port of entry in July. In August, the DOJ dismantled a large-scale U.S.-Mexico prescription drug trafficking operation.
INCA is one of 52 state DOJ-led task forces that coordinate the response to gang and drug trafficking. It’s composed of personnel from: Beaumont Police Department, California Alcohol Beverage and Control, California Highway Patrol, Corona Police Department, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Murrieta Police Department, Riverside County District Attorney’s Office, Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, Riverside Police Department and the San Bernardino Police Department.
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stop anyone anytime with probable cause
Long story short, Asset Forfeiture is now the life blood of police departments throughout the US. Millions and Millions come in weekly from asset forfeiture. Police departments can’t spend the money fast enough. Problem is there are strict rules on how you can spend it, the main one it can’t be on an existing or continuing budget item. Has to be a new item, new expense. So it’s used for things like command vehicles, swat vehicles, license plate readers, etc. Great tool, and like other things, it’s not going anywhere.
The other thing that is just crazy right now that I just wrote an article about is Occupy. NYPD has spent over $6,000,000 already on Occupy. LAPD is approaching that number. The amount spend on Occupy US wide will be billions and billions of dollars when this is over, if it’s ever over. The funny thing is it is on Police overtime. The 1% are going to bust the cities throughout the US but make cops very very happy. Solution? Yea I can only imagine the FFFF solution.
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The well has run dry you fool. It will not be long until all your checks bounce!
The asset forfeiture scam is totalitarian in nature and unjust. The war on drugs is more in tune with a war on the American citizen and has everything to do with control and little to do with saftey. 😉
I’m sure you are correct Bernard.
If what Cicinelli’s father said was true, he should get to keep his dis pension!
Lies and broken promises seem to be a ‘way of life’ for the police and in this case, it was against one of their own.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ASSET SEIZURE FUNDS.
This money was obtained under the guise of enforcing selected federal laws.
The majority of the funds were from automobile seizures, and the articles posted yesterday concerning the FPD cooperation with their selected towing company makes for a smelly relationship.
WHERE IS THE CITY MANAGER? iS IT AT WORK ON SICK LEAVE?
Dont give it to the homeless. Thats the only time they shower when it rains.
Great post!!!
So why don’t you whip out your checkbook and fund a shower for the homeless people instead of mocking them?
Why dont you worry about SD and mine your own business..follower!!
SDLocal is a charter member of Kelly’s Army. Back off!
Walmart, target, etc, employees dont have to put up with the bullshit,complains, and whinny people. So dont compare them to us.
You’re Ed, right? Special Ed? The retarded inbred in the Explorer program who keeps posting barely legible drivel? You should finish your GED before you try to run with the big boys so you’ll know how to spell words to make simple phrases like ‘mind your own business.’
And here’s a clue for your next uniform inspection: you should wipe the drool from your shirt before you get in line.
I know little one, you don’t have to put up with whiny people the way that Doctors, Nurses and retail establishments do when they deal with the public all day long… you ARE kidding me, right?Actually, I’m sure you are correct about one thing tough. You, and your beloved LE brotherhood don’t put up with anyone at all…you just MURDER them!! No, I don’t think I would like to compare you to doctors, nurses or retail establishment employees; that would be an insult to all of the people who actually give gracious SERVICE with a smile!
typo correction..”I’m sure you are correct about one thing though.”
WalMart employees dont typically muder, rape and steal from their shoppers do they twat? p.s. people complain all the time at WalMart. when you go to the complaint desk they dont even try to intimidate you and later follow you and harrass your family. weird huh?
LOL twat, follow and intimidate. Like a movie. Open your eyes.
No that is where yours and mine tax dollars are for..so dont sweat it just take it like a dumbass that you are.
Dont be jealous, I probably make more money being an explorer than your sorry job.
It’s generally not good form to get into a pissing contest with retarded kids like you – they tend to think it’s time to take a shower.
Hey Explorer. Get ready for some big changes that you are not going to like. Maybe you still have time to change your career. How about a circus clown, or how about ice cream man. You should be qualified for that.
Farrell’s in Brea is hiring…
dont listen Special Ed. you can get a job in Ottawa County Michigan. they have a cop who shot a guy thru the chest “accidentally’ who several months later let a guy run a circle around him jump in his squad car and take off all while still on rookie probation. still a cop though.(If you have a Dutch last name you are bullet proof there) Next up the DA is your pal here. you can run over a bicyclist put them in hospital for months and get a 75.00 failure to yeild ticket. sweet huh?
Foop gip jiz ugh slurp slurp. Humma ibba doop. Boopie bippie bop!
Special Ed translation: I couldn’t care less how much you get ripped off by the 3 Old Farts. You’re the one who stands in the rain pissing in your pants to warm your dirty feet. Just don’t ask me to give you CPR when you choke on a chicken bone.
I have stayed out of this one up until now because I think it is kind of trivial…don’t get me wrong, I do not have a $85 raincoat but it is small potatoes compared to the bigger picture.
What concerns me more is the creation of a “Homeless Taskforce”. When a government agency is created to fix a problem, ANY problem, the problem and the agency just get bigger. Look at the “War On Drugs”, the “War On Poverty”…nell even the NAACP. If the problem is solved the agency (funded by our tax dollars) is then shut down because there is no more problem. The worse it gets the more money they receive. Does anyone else not see this? The public education system is suffering from the same plague; the system is designed primarily to funnel money and ultimately to fail.
We are all gonna need rain coats when the bottom falls out…
Don’t let Hee Haw fool you, he’s a crafty devil despite his bumbling appearance. When you look directly at him he’s a Lily of the Field, but turn your back on him and he turns into a Texas Turdblossom.
He has no intention of changing anything for the better, for the homeless or anyone else. Unless it will put more money into his and his cronies pockets. The Homeless Taskforce will be disbanded as soon as the Kelly Thomas murder is swept under the rug.
*hell. stupid keyboard lol
Recall Whitaker!
Its ok for bushala to spend 130,000 on a recall he won’t win and you idiots don’t say anything! Why dont you ffffers get on bushala about using that money for a homeless shelter or to help people like Kelly! You people are so hypocritical!
B-FUCK YOU ALREADY- YOU FRUITFLY-THE RECALL IS HAPPENING
Erase that notion that the recall won’t win. It’ll be completed with over 15.000 signatures very soon.
I see Tony Bushala helping homeless people here in Fullerton almost every time I’ve seen him downtown.
In fact, if you were to ask any homeless person in Fullerton who Tony is, they would tell you that he gives them food, clothes, and money…ALL OF THE TIME!
The last time I checked, citizens are allowed to decide how to spend THEIR OWN MONEY. That includes Tony. And, if you care to follow Tony around sometime, you’ll see that he does more for the homeless in one day than you’ve probably ever done in your whole life.
recall is gonna happen bitch….your golden days are over grandpa!!!!!
tony b is the man for fullerton
Go for it old man!!
You’re a little old to be taking golden showers, aren’t you REALITY IS ?!
LOL golden showers. Love it.
No I want to be a cop so I can beat you up when I see you on the street.
We know. That’s the only thing you know how to do.
It’s that moron who posts under the name Reality Is. He’s afraid to come out in the open.
I’m thinking the RIs are the the thugs on their phones dressed as street clothed civilians inside the Fullerton Library. Not unless the library is that desperate for volunteer work as community service hours. And if that is so, what a cush way to shave away CS hours by sitting in an air conditioned building hanging out in ergonomic chairs while talking nonsense on the internet whilst on their cell phones.
And for the record…although I find it flattering you would use my name to disguise your true identity whomever you are…it is very hard to disagree with the fact of how asset forfeitures and cash forfeiture works with ANY law enforcement.
Most departments have the “oops I forgot” mantra which is to forget to have the assailant sign a waiver for their seized property. Without the signature, if it cash…it sits in an interest bearing account. This is a double edged sword because while the trial or litigation goes on, the money, is making money for the city. If the money was obtained illegally, and there have been many cases of such…the owner of the cash doesn’t receive a dime from the interest their money earned for the city who has a police department which stole money from a law biding civilian.
And the ONLY way this is found out is when the department is audited. And that’s when the ants scramble.
And unfortunately, when identity theft is one of the highest ranking crimes in the United States….using another person’s screen name to make them incredible seems to apply here. Like I stated earlier, I am flattered, and honestly, you need to stop. I have not done nor said anything that is not truth in my statements on this site.
One way you can spot an “undercover” LE boob is by a small rectangular box they typically wear on their belt. It’s a receiver/transmitter that transmits to a tiny earpiece they wear like a hearing aid so they can get instructions or information from one of the people watching nearby.
It also has a very sensitive microphone so they can monitor nearby conversations. They get a seat close to their target, say in a restaurant, and try to act nonchalant – but they’re about as obvious as a black man at a John Birch Society meeting (no disrespect to black folks).
There are receivers available that intercept their signals, but you’ll have to find them on your own – I’m not about to publish the sources on here.
That’s old school. The stuff I wear you wouldn’t find if you stripped me down.
I’ve heard about those anal phones. Is that why you’re always calling yourself?
LOL took a gun out of a vagina the other day and the next day a huge bag of meth. Wild what they put up the vagina and asshole.
I’m staying in the closet.
Moving a person, by force, against their will, no matter if it is a couple of feet, is, kidnapping! 207P.C.
fuck those cops
No one else? This is the root of the problem and you all want to bitch about what? Y’all need to really think more than you post. 🙁
I see it. Agencies are created and then they become fully self-supporting, or not. Then they ask the Fed Govt. for more money to keep the agencies running. The original problem never gets fixed.
This is why I hate task forces, focus groups and new departments to fix already-out-of-control issues. Nothing gets done.
maybe we should spring for Crest whitener strips, popcorn makers, the complete James Dean DVD collection and Michael Kor wallets-safety equipment you know
In the Marines I had to buy my uniforms….. I recieved a paltry allowance each year to upkeep them….. but i had to buy them myself….. if it is good enough for our troops dying overseas, then why not for the Fullerton killers?….. Oh yeah, Marines cannot unionize. Marines protect people because they took an oath too… cops ride around in taxpayer cars, with taxpayer weapons and collect a big fat retirement because they pretend to be heros by filling out reports after a crime is committed. Free sex from the groupies, free booze from the bars and a hefty retirement…. STOP RESISTING< STOP RESISTING, and give me your tax dollars… or me and my buddies will write up a report and send you to jail…
Hey Corrupt,
I was reading a post by “Wrong Guy” the other day, about only a couple of people doing all the heavy lifting as far as speaking up in favor of the recall at the City Council meeting. I’d like to see if you or any of the others from Kelly’s Army and/or the bloggers from FFFF would be interested in meeting up speaking at the next City Council meeting? The theme could be why we think the recall is warranted, and a good option for Fullerton residents to exercise.
Good idea fullerton lover.
fuck the badge and the clowns who prance behind it. PIGS cannot respond to an actual citizen in need because they are to busy builing TAX PAYING citizens and picking on kids.
WHY does it take THREE cop cars to give a citizen a ticket for honking his horn?
And don’t say that bullshit don’t call 911, yeah because you couldnt make in time. IF I have a problem I call on my .38 special then call the coroner.
FIRE FIGHTERS ARE THE REAL HEROS
NOT PIGS!!!
LOL
FIRE FIGHTERS ARE REAL MEN NOT PIGS
No its not reality is..its reality at it best.
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what are you a special force explorer?
(special means retard)
with your gay ass smileys, what are you 8?
12
oops typing to fast…reality at its best!!
I hope your “best” gets a little bit better, soon!
I’m closer than you think explorer. When you are out in the parking lot of FPD doing your fake car pullovers and running around with your orange gun, look up. You will see me watching you. Wave. I’m friendly.
I love it when I hear about all the changes coming, the threats of major changes, things are going to change, etc.
I’ve heard that for 23 years and nothing has changed. I’m sure it’s coming soon though. 🙂
This is not a threat of major change. This is just something that has to change. What is the advantage of having cops that feel they are above the laws that they are to enforce? To threaten citizens, to beat citizens, to kill citizens can not be tolerated any longer. Same with the 3 blind mice. There is no way that one person can acomplish the task of change. It will take all of us to stand up and say no more. I am saying no more!
I understand that. There have been people like you for 100 years saying the same thing. Some people don’t understand that police work involves being confident, a step ahead, making that split second decision, realizing you will be analyzed and second guessed forever, but making those decisions in a legal manner, per policy, and having confidence that you made that decision in a way you were trained to do.
Cops don’t feel they are above the law. You may think that because when it comes to certain police tactics they appear that way. Appearance isn’t always what it may actually be. Yes, citizens will be yelled at, citizens will be beat, citizens will be killed. That will never change. Ever. As long as it is done legally, per policy, and in the most reasonable and realistic way possible, those cops are doing their job correctly. If proven they didn’t do it in those ways, then those are the cops we need to retrain, or if they did something illegal, they need to prosecuted and moved into another profession.
Standing up is great. It’s always been done. Making that change and seeing the realistic goal of what you can actually accomplish is the battle.
The difference this time is that the officers were caught on video and the public at large is aware of what happened. That is why further digging was done into the FPD, which shows a disturbing pattern. So yes, “people like us” have been around forever, but now we have gained traction and I truly believe that this time some real changes will be made.
I ain’t scared of the battle.
Go read my last (well second to last lol) post in the Dick Ackerman part 1 thread.
I agree 100%. Fullerton will be cleaned up, if cleaning up is needed. No doubt mistakes were made in the Kelly case. From an operations standpoint, as well as a PR standpoint. They will learn from it and if it happens again, they will approach the entire thing differently. Is there other issues with Fullerton PD and the City? Time will tell. The best shot at finding out is the Gennaco report. Without that, I don’t think many things would change at the PD and I don’t think the public would get much internal information.
In terms of this leading to major changes nationwide? I’m sure we differ on that.
I am talking about Fullerton specifically, although it has sparked some of the same reaction as far as looking into the police departments elsewhere as well.
…And thank you for stating that mistakes were made, I guess that’s as close to an admission of wrong doing as I can expect. 🙂
We all know mistakes were made. It’s just a matter of where, how deep, and if there is a pattern that should have been addressed.
If you happen to believe the Gennaco report on the state of FPD will be anything other than the usual: mistakes were made, no point in going back now, look forward, yadda, yadda, yadda.
I actually do Joe. Have you read his stuff? He’s pretty honest. That’s how he makes his millions. If he wasn’t, cities wouldn’t hire him at all. I think he will recommend some good changes.
Did you happen to see that Commander Andy Smith yesterday from LAPD? During the Occupy stuff?
Impressive guy. Funny he looks like McKinley I think it is. But seems like a great guy, very in line with the community and the police.
Another guy that impresses me is the San Francisco Chief. That guy has gone through some turmoil and issues, survived, and now is Chief of a very tough city politically in San Francisco. Surprised they even hired a white guy but they did.
Reality Is, you are an insider, with no clue to the troubles your LE RAGWUS has caused for the people of this state as well as the counties and cities.
Your LE RAGWUS has brought us unsustainable pensions, along with pay and benefits too. It has brought us a Prison Industrial Complex that is in line with the Soviet Union’s Gulag, where millions of citizens are drug through a phony non-justice system that is seeking only cash fron the citizens it has attacked. And all the while your crooked RAGWUS has been passing laws to shield you and your fellow costumed clad buddies from any consequenses for your actions.
You are so confident in the walls you have built around your cabal of sociopaths that beating a homeless man to death brought laughter to the FDP locker room. I am not from Fullerton,I am a HB native, but I will be helping the FFFF to rid the FPD of the scum that has inhabited their PD and I will be seeking their help in ridding our city of the same inbred scum that led to the murder of Ashley MacDonald, an 18 year old teen gunned down by two cowards in the middle of a park.
I have no idea how any American can defend a cabal of costumed clad bullies killing helpless citizens, only sociopathic cowards view the world in your way. 😉
And that’s why you are in the minority. You think everything is wrong and a huge conspiracy. Admit it. You will never admit a police killing was justified right? You find it almost impossible to say that any police use of force was reasonable? Don’t lie either. People like you are in their own world. Yes, I understand and hear people here and there that believe the whole world is a big conspiracy. You have a few friends in the world.
That’s why people like you aren’t city leaders, in government, or in police management. The citizens don’t want your beliefs implemented in any way shape or form. Yea yea I know you are going to get them implemented. Ok.
Reality Is, there are many more that believe as I do about your crooked LE RAGWUS and you will soon be faced with this reality!
You have helped to create most of the problems this state and nation faces. The greed of you costume clad crooks will have evey city in this state soon closing their doors. Your lust to kill, beat, murder and entrap citizens for your PIC has produced millions of ex-cons that have no ability to find honest work to support themselves.
The reason people like me are not city leaders is because your union owns every lacky elected. Bought and paid for with private sector tax dollars stolen with clever ploys played out by the dishonest LE RAGWUS members.
You tell me dirtbag, how many innocent citizens have been murdered for every justified killing LE has commited? If you killers were put in front of a jury after murdering a citizen your organization would be much more careful with the lives of citizens from which you mooch off. 🙂
It wasn’t you FL. There was a post here yesterday that gave the address of an elderly woman from a troller. This post has been removed, and hopefully the perp is getting a cucumber up his ass as we speak.
Thanks for the info. Friendly Neighbor. Although Pat McKinley’s home address IS available on the internet in a public domain, I’m not the type of person who would maliciously incite violence against anybody…even someone like the vacuous Pat McKinley himself.
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I dont think so….keep on dreaming.
You might be waving at the wrong guy. We are to many for you to keep track….But if you look close enough, I will wave back.
You might be waving at the wrong guy. There is to many of us to keep track. But If you look close enough I might be waving at you.
I remember you posting how much you love your job. Now I know why.
The same vagina??? Were you waiting for it to pass through?! Are you sure you’re not on a wildlife preserve?
Now that made me laugh out loud, despite pain from dental work.
Ha!! No two different vaginas. I should have clarified. Not me directly. Indirectly thru the female jailers. 🙂
O.k. now that hurts! Hilarious! 🙂
There’s somethin’ mighty peculiar ’bout that boy, Reality Is. Can’t put m’finger on it …
(Jane, there’s somethin’ mighty peculiar ’bout that boy, ‘Reality Is.’ Can’t put m’finger on it … )
repost – blog broke again?
Speaking of uses for asset seizure funds… ABC7 reported that City of Riverside reactivated its mounted patrol. The unit will have two sworn officers augmented by volunteers. Based on what I heard as I was listening to the report, most (if not all) of the costs – e.g., upkeep, salaries, etc. will be paid from asset seizure funds (the term used was something like “money from drug dealers”).
All so untrue. I would put every killing in front of a jury no problem. That’s confidence in what reality is. Not your idea of reality however because that’s not reality. 🙂
You are afraid of the non-LE citizens RI. You fear every single new person you are around because you have an inbred paranoia brought on by living and working with your fellow sociopaths.
You belong to a group that takes pride in killing helpless humans. You are a coward that hides behind a shield. 😉
You have no idea how wrong you are. I don’t even hang out with LE people, just civilians. I clearly see the big picture, and it’s not what you envision. Wake up.
I tend to believe you Reality Is. You show a great deal of intelligence and insight in your posts which in my life experience is rare for someone in law enforcement, which tend to favor the less educated individuals who will blindly comply with orders without question. I also think that your strategic enough to realize that your demeanor and intellect will diminish if you spend your free time hanging out with buddies from work instead of your own family.
Maybe if it was raining there wouldnt be that unsightly blood stain near the bus depot..