McKinley Hired Jay Cicinelli.
Former Fullerton Police Chief, and now city council recall target Pat McKinley hired Jay Cicinelli. Cicinelli was arraigned yesterday in Suprior Court in the homicide death of Kelly Thomas at the hands of six McKinley proteges.
But among all the pickpockets, thieves, sexual predators, kidnappers, thugs, and murderers hired by McKinley, Jay Cicinelli was special. The recipient of several gunshot wounds including the head shot that cost him an eye and probably useful brain matter, Cicinelli was placed on a permanent disability pension by LAPD who wisely concluded that Cicinelli was no longer fit to be a policeman.
Enter Mike Hillman, an LAPD honcho and old pal of then Fullerton Chief McKinley; Hillman was determined that Cicinelli fulfill his life’s calling as a cop, and public safety be damned. In McKinley, Hillman found his man, and Cicinelli was put to work with a badge and a gun on the streets of Fullerton. Need some corrobrating testamony? Here’s the money quote from article linked above from none other than Jay Cicinelli:
I think he had a lot to do with getting me this job, I know he was good friends with (Fullerton Police) Chief Pat McKinley. How many departments are going to hire an officer with one eye?
Let’s put this in perspective: doing a favor for an old LAPD crony, McKinley placed the citizens of Fullerton at pysical and financial risk by employing and deploying a cop rejected by LAPD. It was done knowingly, cavalierly, and utterly irresponsibly. Apart from recognizing the alarming potential for post traumatic stress disorder, even the average civilian will have wondered at the obvious depth-perception and peripheral vision issues connected to a one-eyed cop.
And now that it’s time to take accountability for his actions, his out-of-town handlers won’t let McKinley do at least one honorable thing in his life: resign.
So we’re going to help him.
A one-eyed cop with PTSD in a department full of thugs? What could go wrong?
And the real eye looks deader than the artificial one.
So when this one eye murder was at the dmv and they said cover your right eye and read, what did he say? No. Yes this was a favor. So McYoda has to go, on lack of judgement alone. See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya!
McYoda?! Jebus O’ Jebus. I just coughed up my kibble!
We all know the the DA was FORCED to bring charges because the cover-up blew up. The community wouldn’t rest, word got out about the existence of the tape and a ton of people saw what happened. The genie got out of the bottle with a bullhorn. What we must do now is recall and replace the council and start firing the criminal co-conspirators. There are plenty still in the building. If we can’t throw’em in jail then we can throw’em out on their asses. They obviously hate what happened. It is their worst nightmare- the light of day followed by charges, the feds sniffin’ around and a huge media circus. WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CHARGED. Fullerton’s finances will be in ruin and the city now needs austerity measures like yesterday. Hear that gang? The gig is up.
Elect a barely retired, $200,000 pensioned police chief to your city council? Is it still the 1950’s cold war? Is this post war Iraq ? Is it drug smuggling Mexico ? No just dumb ass ignorant repuglican Fullerton.
McKinley at his installation thanked his Campaign Manager, Lois Godfrey, pro Redevelopment GOP er. Is she going to retain her position??? Does she have no shame?
I think two posters covered this pretty well.
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/who-is-jay-cincinelli/#comment-35437
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/who-was-there-the-fpd-six/#comment-35318
Well said!
Brain damage and lack of impulse control may explain Mr.One-Eyed cop’s behaviour, but what about the other guy ? Ramos?
It would be interesting to know if he had been involved in previous incidents of alleged misconduct, my guess is yes.
Another violent thug, drunk with power and thoroughly entrenched in the Homeland Security sponsored ‘Martial Law’ mindset.
Ramos started the chain of events and was rightfully charged but Officer Retardo Cyclops literally beat in the face of Kelly Thomas and kneed his throat. I find it interesting that the DA ignored the bulk of Retardo Cyclops’ involvement in this.
frontal lobe damage=lack of impulse control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzgoucE8Kw&feature=related
These symptoms seem to reflect some of the alcoholic behaviour out there.
POBAR, the highest law in the land, will prevent us plebes from finding out about Ramos’ priors. We need to have the history leaked.
This incident was a human rights atrocity, pure and simple!!
One for the books-Absolutely- I havent thought of it in those terms but you are absolutely correct.
“McKinley wasn’t gambling with his money- he was gambling with ours-the taxpayers money. ”
Absolutely. That little deal with the devil is now done. And the devil wants to redeem his chips.
Well said and well written. Councilman Mc Kinley reminded me recently at a city council meeting, that he “was” the cities, public safety officer when he “was” the chief. He, Jones, and Bankhead, have FAILED to protect the citizens of Fullerton by allowing the poiice department to run wild. They need to step down or face recall. Please save the city another $100,000.00 and step down. This 100k is a drop in the buckett to what this wrongful death lawsuit and others will cause Fullerton because of their ignorance and apathy.
Isn’t this the modus operendi of all of Fullerton PD and the city council’s “good ol boy” network. They are so busy doing favors for their friends they they neglect what is best for the city they are paid to protect and serve. End result “corruption”. This was evident in the cover-up by Goodrich, Sellers and other FPD officers. This was evident in letting the officers watch their video and audio footage prior to “fabricating” their police reports. THIS MAKES ME SICK. What part did Goodrich, Sellers and Hughs not understand when Ramos said: ” See these fists, These are the fists that are about to Fuck You Up!” And they covered it up.
I agree. I’m more sickened by the FPD lies and cover-up than the actual beating and murder.
I want charges against Any and All senior FPD officials that knew the truth and helped cover it up. That is the true justice, because the senior FPD officials ENABLED THIS BEHAVIOR.
If your cop on the street and know you can beat the shit out of people without recourse from your bosses and they will even help you cover it up, the Chief and Captains might as well be charged with murder as well. They enabled this behavior!!
T N Z pretty much said what I had to say. He just said it better than I could have.
Like I said in the past, the fed’s need to come in and investigate the entire department from top to bottom! What else has taken place in the past that we don’t know about?
One of a feather, flock together.
Also, because the official cause of death was compression of the thorax, which prevented Kelly from breathing, why are the cops responsible for that not being charged???
Its this blasted Kronism, I hate it. See it all the time, even in private sector, but really disgusting in the public sector….anything we can do about it?
The problem for people in Fullerton now is: WHO THE HELL DO YOU TRUST?!?!?!
I notice the Tumescent Trio (love that btw) are now trying to congratulate themselves for their stoic heroism throughout this affair, ignoring and hoping we ignore the Culture of Corruption.
Jones, Bankhead, McPension: the other 4 are not charged (yet) violated FPD policy by aiding and abetting the perpetration of several felonies. The watch commander and supervisors who tried to cover up this mess have yet to be identified.
The feds will be knocking at your door soon on civil rights violation charges.
Garo Mardirossian will be paying you several visits with regard to Kelly Thomas and the perjuring goon for hire, Kenton Hampton
Let’s not forget the sexual battery and kidnapping cases, the suicide in the jail, the laptop theft, the credit card fraud, the false arrest of that kid.
Real men would stand up and take responsibility for the mess they have made of the FPD.
Oh no, boys’ we’re not done with you assholes by a long shot.
Aw, Hell I might as well just write a post.
Don’t forget the way the three put up with all the lies and spinning by Goodbloat.
now you know y seller,s went missing fast,
MERIJOE,
Nothing can be done about it. Follow the money trail. It usually leads to the scoundrels.
Kelly Thomas death: Councilman ‘sickened’ by beating details
“I am absolutely sickened and my heart is just bleeding for the city, the Thomas family and the Police Department,” Pat McKinley said Wednesday in a telephone interview. “I just don’t understand how those officers could do what they did.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/kelly-thomas-beating-death.html
Yep. Can’t understand it.
Poor bleeding heart baby needums a hug from She Bear.
As the DA said, ” even citizens have a right to defend themselves” against L.E.
The lines should be long requesting Concealed weapons Permits.
Unless the whole Gang culture of FPD is disbanded, McKinley, Bankhead and Jones tossed out of Office.
This City will NEVER recover or deserve to.
The funny thing is its impossible to get a CCW permit thanks to Sheriff Sandra Hutchens but you can open carry as long as the weapon is unloaded
I personally do not have a problem with a person having only one eye being hired as a police officer.
That said, this entire police force is corrupt, is run by union thugs, and it needed to be shut down and all pensions revoked.
Neither did McKinley and look what happened.
As the other posters pointed out
and
You may not have a problem with it but I do. I certainly wouldn’t want to be in a hostage situation with a one eye cop standing in front of me and I sure as hell don’t want to be in the backdrop if he ever got into a shootout.
Its not like there is a shortage of full able citizens waiting in line to become police officers.
Also, let’s not forget about the bar, with the police officers hang out and allegedly the source of the initial complaint.
If this bar, or the owner of the bar, filed a complaint against Kelly Thomas, a false complaint, then it needs to be shut down or burned down. If I lived there I would help protest in front of the bar every day until it shut down.
“… it needs to be shut down or burned down.”
Wow
More disturbing every day.
“… it needs to be shut down”
Don’t shut down my bar, bro.
HAY THAT,S WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH TRASH
See what alcohol does to people in the broad picture.
Ramos’ attorney, John D. Barnett, called Rackauckas’ charges “unprecedented.”
“I’ve seen the video and Officer Ramos is not guilty of murder, manslaughter or any other crime,” Barnett told City News Service. “He was a peace officer in the lawful performance of his duty.”
Barnett said Ramos was trying to “de-escalate” the situation when he allegedly shook his fists at Thomas.
“All Kelly Thomas had to do was comply and it would have been a normal arrest, but he didn’t comply,” Barnett said.
http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/cop-charged-in-beating-death-in-jail-20110922
Didn’t you get the memo from Chris Thompson? Now that the ‘do-nothing DA’ did everything they said he wasn’t going to do, it’s time to turn our attention away from justice for Kelly Thomas and toward the really important matter of FFF’s power play in Fullerton.
Meanwhile, what really has become a lynch-mob mentality here includes a frequent poster who strongly advised the mob to bring firearms to the Kelly Thomas Memorial Concert, and who has said he wants to beat a couple of us he disagrees with to “within and inch” of our lives, and now we have this guy advocating that the Slidebar be burned down.
Maybe Chris was right after all, perhaps it is time to turn our attention elsewhere. This place is getting really ugly.
If it wasnt for the public’s pressure, the ‘do-nothing DA’ would have done exactly that.
Of course to quell the public’s anger, the ‘do-nothing DA’ submitted an extremely weak case full of holes that the defense will rip apart and knowing full well that a jury won’t convict.
Jerry Brown did the same thing with the Bell corruption case.
“If it wasnt for the public’s pressure, the ‘do-nothing DA’ would have done exactly that.”
And you know this how? Because that’s what everybody here would now like to believe? Now I’m not going to say that the pressure didn’t contribute to the outcome, hell, that’s why I came to FFF in the first place, to help in some small way with that effort, but despite what you’ve been told, this is not the first time the OC DA has prosecuted cops for serious misbehavior. In fact he has been involved in a feud with local cops and their unions state-wide for calling them out with regard to the ‘blue wall of silence’ in the Hibbs excessive force case, and then for refusing to back down when they bitched about it.
As for the case against the cops, you know nothing of which you speak. Here’s a little about it I wrote elsewhere this morning:
What we have here is text book example of the application of California’s strict Felony Murder Rule. If you are not familiar with the rule, part of it came about as a result of case law established in People v. Ford, where the CA Supreme Court ruled that “homicide during the commission of felony” can be prosecuted as second degree murder. This is precisely why T-Rack charged Ramos with Felony Involuntary Manslaughter; it was this act, taking place as it did during a homicide that opened the door to second degree murder charges.
(Reality Is questioned yesterday the reasoning behind charging the same individual with both murder and manslaughter, above is the answer)
It’s also worth noting that the coroner listed ‘homicide’ as the cause of death, underscoring something I’ve been posting about here and getting beat up over for weeks: The importance of waiting for the autopsy report before charging Kelly Thomas’ killers with the most serious charges available.
Without the coroner’s ruling of homicide the Felony Murder Rule would not apply to Ramos, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth here over far lesser charges having been filed would have been deafening.
It’s bad enough as it is, despite the fact that yesterday T-Rack presented a passionate and very solid case for MURDER against the police officer responsible for Thomas’ horrible death, Ramos having been the one who “escalated the lawful detainment (of Thomas) to an unlawful use of force.”
Because it took them months to charge the officers involved despite having, audio evidence, video evidence and over 100 witnesses.
And lets not forget that the whole time they claimed that they were waiting for the corners report to complete their investigation which interesting enough took them less than 24 hours to “complete” after “officially” receiving the report.
It seems to me they were dragging their feet and hoping that the outrage would die down over time but when that didn’t happen, they decided to submit a weak BS case full of holes which the defense will tear apart.
They did that because they want their hands clean, they want to say “hey we charged them, don’t blame us, blame the jury for not convicting them”.
We know this because of all of Fullerton’s previous abuse cases which were ignored by the FPD.
My almost doppelganger wrote: “Because it took them months to charge the officers involved despite having, audio evidence, video evidence and over 100 witnesses. And lets not forget that the whole time they claimed that they were waiting for the corners report…”
Did you read my post above?
We now know why waiting for the coroner’s report was so absolutely important. Under the Felony Murder Rule, Ramos could be charged with Second Degree Murder if a homocide occured during his commision of a felony. The coroner’s report finally came out and in it the cause of death was not just listed as ‘assault’ as it was on the UCI doctor’s death certificate, it was listed as HOMICIDE. Now, along with Felony Involuntary Manslaugher, under California’s strict Felony Murder Rule, officer Ramos could be charged with Second Degree Murder.
Without the coroner’s ruling of homocide the murder rule would not have applied and Ramos would have had to of been charged with a lesser crime. Everyone here praying for justice in the MURDER of Kelly Thomas got their wish yesterday, and it would not have happened without a very favorable to the prosecution autopsy report. I’m amazed how many here don’t seem to get this.
I did.
Okay, thanks, and do you now understand why the DA was absolutely correct in waiting for the coroner’s report with its finding of the cause of death as HOMICIDE as opposed to the death certificate which listed simple ‘assault?’
No homicide = no Felony Second Degree Murder. That’s as simple as it can be explained.
I fully understand the concept and if FPD, The DA and the Coroner were playing fair and by the rules that is what would have happened but they’re not.
As I said before, it seems to me they were dragging their feet and hoping that the outrage would die down over time but when that didn’t happen, they decided to submit a weak BS case full of holes which the defense will tear apart.
I posted this on another thread but it seems more applicable here:
I think you’re missing the bigger picture here.
The Kelly Thomas murder (we can legally call it that now, right?) was just the most horrendous manifestation of Fullerton’s longstanding problem with police brutality and police misconduct.
The three city council members Jones, Bankhead and McKinley are key in the creation of this goon squad and its mentality. They either encouraged this or looked the other way. I’m thinking encouraged. Even if they hadn’t, they would still be culpable just because of their authority in hiring the Chief of Police.
The citizens of Fullerton sleep only marginally safer in our beds tonight. The sad reality is that police abuse by the FPD is not limited to just one, or two, or even six officers. That is the open secret that is soon not even going to be a secret.
However, as each new brutality victim emerges and files suit, there is no administrative body beyond Internal Affairs (a joke in FPD if there ever was one) and the City Council to DO SOMETHING about all of these other cases.
That is why we need a city council who will take dramatic and drastic actions to rid the City of corruption and police brutality. That might even be to abolish the FPD – and while I don’t know what the consequences of that would be – I LOVE the message it sends:
Mess with your citizens too much and we will fire each and every one of you.
That is why Chris is right and this is not a micro-local issue. Every other town out there needs to be doing the same thing. Then it is as macro an issue as you can get.
Point noted.
Yes let’s talk about FFFFs “power play.” The three cretins permitted an environment of corruption to fester and bloom in the FPD. It’s all there: a string of disgusting and arrogant behavior that was perpetrated with a sense of entitlement and impunity.
If that’s of no interest to you then yes, it’s time for you to turn your attention elsewhere.
When posters were discussing the nightstick wielded by Ramos, weren’t you the one who said some posters here could use a wood shampoo? Take your violent inflammatory language somewhere else EYEKNOWEVERYTHING.
I said some of the ‘idiots,’ and I also explained clearly that it was a “dumb joke.” My exact words.
On the other hand, I don’t think advocating that the Slidebar be burned down was meant as a joke.
Nor was the guy joking that said folks should take firearms with them to the concert, and I’m pretty sure he really meant it when he said he’d like to beat a couple of us to within an inch of our lives. He’s been defending both statements right along.
Using the term “idiot” somehow makes your post less inflammatory?
Here is your comment:
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/what-are-we-expecting/#comment-57335
Where exactly in proximity to that comment do you say you are joking?
“Wood shampoo’ is a very old joke that first made the rounds in so cal in the 80s. I did not threaten anyone or any business specifically. To now conveniently attempt to call it “violent inflammatory language” is not just a stretch, it’s absolutely silly.
That being said, someone asked me to explain and I do indeed remember writing back “instead of explaining my dumb joke, why don’t you tell me…” and went on with the discussion. I don’t see it there now, so maybe it was on another thread, or there was a glitch in the system. It’s happened before. But in any case, “violent inflammatory language???” come on. Lame. Do better.
Maybe it was on another thread? Here are your exact words:
“I said some of the ‘idiots,’ and I also explained clearly that it was a “dumb joke.” My exact words.”
Yes, it is silly. There is no “lynch mob” here despite your best efforts to incite one.
What was actually said:
“If this bar, or the owner of the bar, filed a complaint against Kelly Thomas, a false complaint, then it needs to be shut down or burned down. If I lived there I would help protest in front of the bar every day until it shut down.”
I did not use the term “Slidebar”.
You conveniently failed to mention several conditional signals such as “if”, “false complaint”.
Nor did I advocate the illegal burning of the bar. The bar should be shut down and then burned, legally. Sometimes humans perform evil deeds of such magnitude that the establishments associated with such deeds need to be legally destroyed. It seems to me this bar qualifies.
Finally, I said I would help protest to have the bar shut down, not burned down.
I must commit your commitment to honesty and integrity is less than inspiring.
Where do you work? You are quite the statist apologist. Ever met a government you didn’t like?
Oh yeah, my problem with group-thinkers extends all the way into government. For example, I’ve been opposed to the death penalty for more than 40 years, ever since Viet Nam and Kent state… any government that would do what was done in those times should not be trusted with such ultimate power of life and death over its citizens.
As for my work, I am a the owner of small business (publishing), living in South OC for nearly 20 years.
I found this site after posting in several places about the Thomas murder. And I have a documented history of advocating for justice in the Kelly Thomas murder well before ever showing up on FFF. Here’s a post of mine on the Voice Of OC from more than six weeks ago, illustrating my state of mind at the time very well:
“This is rapidly turning into the most shameful event in modern OC history. “–EyeNeverSayNo posted at 8:36 am on Sat, Aug 6, 2011
http://voiceofoc.org/oc_north/fullerton/article_4ca218cc-bfbc-11e0-a4e2-001cc4c03286.html
Everybody loved me here when my posts conformed to the widely accepted group-think. It was only after I decided a few weeks ago that the DA would in fact bring serious charges, and as he said, very soon, that my position made me the enemy. I was asked repeatedly “who’s side are you on?”
This opinion of mine turned out to be entirely correct, I even called when the announcemnet would be made, but it definitely did not conform to the ‘do-nothing corrupt DA’ gospel preached here and widely accepted as fact. So of course I had to become either Susan Kang Schroeder, a law enforcement plant, one of the six or a family member, and now a statist.
(sigh)
Susan Kang, give it a rest. Your “do-nothing” boss did exactly that.
He filed a watered down case that he knows damn well wont lead to a conviction.
” a watered down case”
Yeah, MURDER charges, that’s a good example of a watered down filing!!! LOL
Susan Kang, you of all people know that there is a lot more to prosecution than just a charge.
I still love you Eye 🙂
And agreed on the death penalty. If cops and prosecutors were honest, than perhaps one could make an argument for it. Given the sad reality, its a terrible idea.
I fully understand the concept and if FPD, The DA and the Coroner were playing fair and by the rules that is what would have happened but they’re not.
As I said before, it seems to me they were dragging their feet and hoping that the outrage would die down over time but when that didn’t happen, they decided to submit a weak BS case full of holes which the defense will tear apart.
Officers shall not have the right, in America, to be judge and jury out on the street, ever!
Amazing hoe these goons forget where they live.
Idiots!
THEY FILED CHARGES AGAINST THE LAPD COPPERS WHO BEAT RODNEY DIDN’T THEY. SO, HOW ARE THESE CHARGES UNPRECEDENTED? JUST WAIT TIL CHARGES ARE FILED AGAINST THE OTHER FOUR ASSHOLES!
Never has there been a more perfect representation of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
Rookie cop eyes wide and apparently full of potential gets shot, six times, loses an eye, unqualified for LAPD as a result, forced into retirement, and down and out on his luck.
Higher ups, specifically Hillmann and McKinley take pity on this pathetic fool and work out an arrangement to be hired on to the Fullerton police.
Fast forward a decade and a half later, said prior decisions lead to a course of events and actions that ultimately contributed to the death of a man, quite literally, at the hands of the same fool they thought worthy of hiring despite obvious handicaps and impediments.
And they wanted to try to suppress these “little details.”
Your day of reckoning is upon you McKinley! For letting loose an animal such as Jay Cicinelli on to the streets, it’s time for you to pay! I would imagine, a recall from office should be the least of your worries at this point. Your name is mud, your reputation is sullied, and everyone will associate this incident with you for time immortal, you corrupt, arrogant, son of a bitch!!!
I am betting Cicinelli’s atty. will plead mental disorder for his client.
I think you are correct. I agree.
Ironic, they turned a blind eye to a guy with a blind eye on the force.
That is an interesting situation because if they go down that route they’re essentially admitting guilt.
and I’d like to think that Ron could also go after whoever performed a psych evaluation (if they had one) and approved him for duty.
I was just trying to figure out how to word that but I see you did it very nicely:) The only thing I was thinking is that the atty’s are going to distance themselves from the FPD and vice versa and be pointing the finger at eachother therefore making some kind of connectioin difficult. That’s difficult to explain but it makes pefect sense to me:)
Good, He makes for a good laboratory experiment for the state hospital interns.
I don’t know about you, but my mama would dis-own me for killing anyone, especially a harmless homeless guy.
I wonder if sinsillys mama is proud of him now.
What kind of woman raises this kind of guy?
C’mon he was just doing his job/sarcasm
HE WILL HAVE TO ENDURE PSYCH TESTS TO PULL THAT ONE OFF!
I can’t wait to see Barnett try to spin the missing phone call.
The phone call issue and slimebar is pretty moot. Ruckus said when they approached Kelly Ramos 350 knew Kelly and knew he wasn’t dangerous. Sidebar, Slimebar, Slidebar, whatever it’s called, is a side issue.
I think it’s time for a hard hitting interview with McKinley. Of course the questioning should include his first priority of sympathy towards “the officers.” Why guys with less training than privates in the military are called “officers” is beyond me. Now they need to be called the defendants and the alleged murderers. No more officer lingo. Thats what the cops union lawyers want.
I’m gonna spell this one out…OHHHHH MYYYY gOOOOODDDDD! You just opened that can of worms for EYE to freak out on again. Didn’t you listen to him before???????
Awesome perspective in your posts above TNZ. Looks like this will be the most expensive lawsuit in history, in the civil suit and the second for Garo. I firmly believe there will be serious consequences coming down on Fullerton PD, as Captain Hamilton admitted he and other high ranking officers (I would think Chief Sellers as well) reviewed the city cam tape as well as the DAR recordings. Upon review of all above, one would think the FPD Boss would be as repulsed as DA Rackaucus was as he described what he saw to the press yesterday. This is a Perfect example of how EVIL and CORRUPT a law enforcement agency can be. FPD I believe are in BIG trouble in Federal kind of way.
The thing with civil suits against police, is that they seem to have little deterrent effect. Guys with millions in judgments to their credit, stay on the force and get promoted. Nothing changes. No one faces any consequences.
They just dip into the taxpayers’ pockets for more money and continue with their habit. I’m totally in favor of the civil suits. But it seems government employees and officials don’t give a shit. OPM.
$10 million was paid out in the Tim Masters case in Colorado for a wrongful conviction. City officials there were very much like the three blind mice. Defending everything. A cop who is going to trial for felony perjury is of course still on paid administrative leave.
Get rid of the state laws that pander to the unions. And get rid of the unions.
9c1 if he pleads mental disorder that will just underline the fact that he was unfit for service and never should have been hired.
What amazes me is that ramos behaved liked that with full knowledge that he was being recorded. Can someone explain it to me. How many of these acts of violence are still on tape. I suppose all old tapes are destroyed. All parties involved saw the evidence and did nothing but cover it up. Criminal conspiracy on a large and wide scale. The Feds need to step in and remove the tyrants soon or you guys are done in Fullerton.
Pure stupidity, and childishness, and throw some alcoholism in there with it.
Let’s mention obesity too, Being over weight limits the amount of blood flow to the brain thus rendering an individual with dim cognitive skills.
Hahahaha. That’s funny:)
I can explain it easily. They never expected anything to come of it, period.
I’m sure Ramos didnt’ care that he was being taped because he didn’t necessarily think, or even want,t o murder Ramos. He just wanted to put a hard-core vicious beating on him (which, obviously, is criminal). And he proceeded to do that, and called for back-up. But then Cyclops strolled up and went nuts with his taser and that, combined with all the cops on top of him, killed him. I’m not saying Ramos shouldn’t be charged with second degree murder–he absolutely should be. But it’s quite possible this dumb fat pig initiated a process that escaled beyond his remedial control. He’s a coward and a bully and he’s getting what he deserves. But Cyclops should also have gotten second-degree.
Agreed. And Wolf manslaughter.
What have they done that we don’t know about yet. Missing children, shakedowns, pedophillia the horror is terrifying. All audio tapes need to be examined.
You know these guys had disassociated themselves from the public a long time ago.
That’s are start.
Ron Thomas failed as a father. Enough said.
Ron Thomas beat and suffocated his son to death. Enough said.
OK EYENEVERSAYNO WHORE~~~~* YOU BETTER GET ON THE HORN TO YOUR BUDDY,S AT -POLICE ONE.COM- FOR SOME HELP!!! HAHA
LET GET ANAL A 5150 HE IS SICK!!!!
Ramos and Sinsilly fail as police officers.
They have let down the good cops we appreciate.
You, dear sir, failed as a human. Enough said.
you NEED A 5150 BAD BRO.
Objection. Relevance.
Oh yeah. That’s like the only thing that matters in this case. That clears it up for everyone. Genius.
Right. Based on how brazen FPD has been in recent past events, knowing that they are being video taped, there had to have been some murders, rapes and various crimes committed by these Thugs in dark alleys, etc. For reform, first off, they need to start ‘chopping off’ at the knees, by letting go of approx 30% of the field officers starting with the ones with most complaints (providing they haven’t thrown all those away). They and many other law enforcement agencies need to do this for there are TOO MANY cops on our streets, period. Why did it take 4 cop cars to pull some protester to cite him for horn honking? WASTE! Also, they need to have all cops in all ranks undergo a 730 Forensic Psychiatric Evaluation, annually. This would cost about $3K per officer per year, but letting go of 30% like stated above will more than offset this cost. Also random drug tests, specifically to check for steroid use and alcohol. This I believe would be abetter option than bringing in OCSD
You hit it. There are way too many cops. Why? Because it’s unfortunately a bipartisan issue. Liberals like Obama want more union jobs, and conservatives of the authoritarian strain always think we can use more cops. They are not real capable of explaining why loser government union members suddenly become supermen once they don a badge and a costume. Most Americans aren’t looking that closely.
This issue is nationwide and much bigger than “justice for Kelly. ” It is about justice for all of us.
Kelly Thomas was killed by bullies, unfit to be employed in law enforcement. Ofcourse the thugs were just doing what they were told, to keep the “UNDESIRABLES” out of Fullerton. Ofcourse they drones went too far and Kelly died.
NOW IS THE TIME TO CLOSE THE FULLERTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. CONTRACT OUT POLICE SERVICES WITH THE SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT. TURN THE FORMER POLICE STATION INTO THE A HOMELESS SHELTER. NAME AND DEDICATE THE BUILDING “THE KELLY THOMAS BUILDING”. Kelly’s murder is NOT in vain. Good will come from this most horrible of deeds.
Rufus, you are a stupid cop who’s been on the force too long to see right from wrong. Kelly’s father has nothing to do with this. Anal, ditto for you. Or are you one in the same, typical of cops these days? As for McKinley, he’s a POS who has made a rotten department worse with his corrupt shit he brought over from LAPD. He has hired sex offenders (or cops that have become one), thieves, drug addicts, incompetent cops in general and now murderers. He needs to go and so does that dept. It needs to be wiped off the OC map and all the crap that’s inside of it.
‘Real’ officer wouldn’t beat Kelly Thomas, Fullerton ex-chief says
http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-318392-ramos-officer.html
I have met many good officers, too bad they have to share their careers with goons.
They need to adopt a more democratic form of management.
Limited termed management.
They need to adopt a more customer service based management too.
If someone has a complaint they shouldn’t be given dirty looks, yelled at, talked down to or harassed. Go to a cop and ask for a supervisor or for their badge number, you’ll probably be beaten and arrested on some false charge.
If AT&T customer service conducted themselves the way most police departments do, they’d be bankrupt.
A lot of commercial vehicles have a “hows my driving?” sticker to weed out bad employees, why don’t most police departments have something similar?
http://www.californiarebellion2012.com/
A 51st state is starting to look good.
Just listen to McKinley in the Register today-let the damage control begin!!!!!! http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-318392-ramos-officer.html
I looked at the pictures of Ramos. Did anyone notice how flat the back of Ramos’s cranium is?
That’s a sign of parental neglect when parents leave their baby in a crib for too long.
The back of baby’s heads will form flat if the parents don’t pick up and hold the baby enough while the skull plates are forming and fusing.
A round back crown of an adults head is evidence that a person was raised with great physical care.
In order to get that round cranium form, the mother usually holds her baby throughout the bonding process and instinctually holds the baby’s head carefully at all times.
i noticed in his mug shot that the right side of his head looks flattened in.
he’s still fully responsible for his actions – which goes without saying.
i think many of these cops are drawn to police work for the same reason many are drawn to gangs: they want a family and brothers and fathers they never had. they seek approval. they seek a cause. they seek systematic order. they seek strength in numbers. they seek herd mentality. the seek a certain degree of revenge on society. they seek a cover for their anger. they seek a reason to be tough every day.
I think Cicinelli’s transfer to FPD had less to do with pity and much, much more to do with a favor between the two police departments and the circumstances of the shootout in which he lost an eye.
Anon you are 100% correct on that one. It was a favor, McKinley brought over Blatney also. Along with James, Craig (I believe) and a dozen others years ago. This dept. is tainted through and through.
Which of Jay’s eyes is the real one? Serious question… I can’t tell 🙂
Why? Are you planning on spitting in his good eye, so you can sucker punch him or something?
#25 by Simmons on September 22, 2011
I personally do not have a problem with a person having only one eye being hired as a police officer.
Physical and mental tests for law enforcement are very extensive. Hearing must be within a certain range, flexability, regarding the lower back, must follow strict guidelines for acceptance, any previous injuries MUST be signed off by a county/city approved Doctor, including a lie detector, a full mental evaluation, both written and an oral interview with a Psychiatrist, etc. Those are just a few of the tests given.
Now the eyes. A candidate Will be disqualified for: being color-blind, having little or no depth perception in BOTH eyes, poor vision in BOTH eyes, (unless correctible procedure/eye glasses brings vision within limits.
Having good vision is mandatory to performing the tasks in law enforcement, in fact, it is Paramount in officer safety; the #1 thing that is stressed from the first day in the academy to one’s retirement day.
Like TNZ stated in an earlier blog, without both eyes for depth perception/good range of vision, a person has no business being an officer. The dangers to himself/partner, let alone the citizenry, should a shooting incident occur, would not only spark a fury amongst the public if am unintended victim was accidentally shot, but would open a city/county to a quite substantial lawsuit.
I am not trying to get on your case, but P.O.S.T., (Peace Officers Standards and Training), sets very strict guidelines for law enforcement.
It is obvious that Cicinelli was NOT re-evaluated prior to being hired onto FPD. A few phone calls by some crony friends, and the dirty deed was done.
Yep.
I just noticed in the DA’s press release a line that said:
“After paramedics arrived, Cicinelli is accused of commenting about his use of force and the physical damage to Thomas.”
I’m assuming this came from the paramedic witness statements, but were his exact words (or a paraphrase) reported anywhere? Was he “bragging” about what he had done to Kelly Thomas?? Maybe I missed this.
The 2nd informant on KFI said Cincinelli was bragging about it in the locker room and other officers were put off by it.
I wonder if one of the six started getting that info out after they went back to the station.
What if the other 4 were just waiting to leak this stuff out without retaliation?
He has friends in high places and he’s calling in a lot of favors.
“He” as in Cicinelli.
THEY ALL VIEWED THE AUDIO AND VIDEO EVIDENCE AND THEY TRIED TO COVER IT UP. THE ENTIRE TRIBE NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED AND HURT WHERE IT STINGS IN THEIR PURSES. WHY ISN’T THE D A PURSUING CHARGES AGAINST THE BOSSES WHO COVERED UP THE CRIMES. THEY WERE CAUGHT T-RACK DO SOMETHING DECENT AND GO AFTER THESE BASTARDS.
T-RACK filed a weak case to quiet down the activists and absolve himself of responsibility when both cases come before the jury.
recall 1st
disband 2nd
We have a nation wide epidemics.
http://www.google.com/#pq=city+disbands+police&hl=en&cp=21&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=city+disbands+police+department&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=city+disbands+police+&aq=0v&aqi=g-v1&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b56c7768dbc8db3d&biw=1366&bih=609
MCKILLER WILL GET HIS FROM THE FED,S HAHA.
The D A is waiting for the furor to fade away and it will. The D A has favors to return.
“Don’t worry Jay, I talked to the DA and he told me that he has no choice by to file charges in this case because of those knuckleheads out causing an uproar but he’s going to file an extremely weak case against you.” – Michael Hillman
“We know of this lawyer Michael Schwartz who defended a deputy in San Bernardino. He’s going to pick this thing apart.” – Michael Hillman
“Its a slam dunk. Those knuckleheads are gonna be pleased with the DA filing, the jury is gonna find you not guilty because the case is so weak and you’re gonna go home and have a good meal with your mom.” – Michael Hillman
They watched this kid be executed and did nothing they need to be prosecuted, but they won’t.
#73 true he was the next few days in the locker room, before it went public. He deserves to be charged with Murder..He thought it was funny!
Hi.
Fuck all you slide bar haters out there. Slide bar rocks and I don’t think those cops did anything wrong.
I hope Ramos and co. get 100% acquitted. You can’t hurt us or ever bring us down.
Hah! Nice fake comment.
Its ironic These spinsters were saying ,just a week ago, that there won’t be any charges filed by the DA.
Kelly Thomas If I could get another chance I’d put it in a zip-loc bag and keep it in my pocket, Keep it in my pocket, Keep it in my pocket
Jeremy Popoff is a rockstar bitches! He can do whatever he wants in this town. He can fuck any girl he wants, has FPD in his pocket and can even have homeless guys killed for loitering.
He won’t after they are disbanded.
aww popoffzitonass, poor baby!!
business down???? rofl
you all ready DOWN THE NEW C. OF POLICE TOLD YALL TO STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE SLIME-BAR. NOW YALL BETTER DO WHAT HE SAID.
I’ve boycotted Slidebar and don’t miss them one bit. I’m sure they don’t miss me, either, but whatever. They had a nice run, but those days are over.
Alcohol disolves brain tissue anyway, compromising the ability to control emotions and other higher functions
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm
Not to offend anyone with a vision disability,but next time you’re driving in traffic…cover one eye for just 15 seconds and imagine you are a police officer.
It is a scary thought that Pat Mckinley knowingly hired this guy despite being half blind.
This officer should of never been assigned patrol duty.
“…next time you’re driving in traffic…cover one eye for just 15 seconds and imagine you are a police officer.”
That’s not a very accurate analogy, folks with one eye learn to adjust, the brain adapts, this is well recognized and the murdering thug Cincinelli is hardly the only one-eyed police officer in the country. I looked it up, each department sets its own standards and there are many that allow one-eyed cops. In fact, in one case I read about, a state court actually ordered a force to reinstate a one-eyed cop and ruled that according to expert testimony, he was fully fit to return to patrol duties.
Not sayin’ Cicinelli should ever return to being a cop, but that’s because he’s an unstable asshole sadistic murderer, not because he’s one-eyed.
“That’s not a very accurate analogy” because I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,i,) did all the research in the whole world, uh I mean universe, ummm and this one judge even……I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,) am the smartest person in this blog/room/city/world/universe AND I (I,I,I,I,I,I,) said so!!!!!! Dammit!!!! Why won’t you people listen to me (me,me,me,me,me,me,me)
Is there anyone who believes that the cop who went behind the police vehicle to “check Kelly’s bag” didn’t know EXACTLY what was in store for Kelly?
That one is just as guilty as that MF Ramos.
And apparently the police vehicle was 2 blocks away because he couldn’t hear his partner making the threats …yeah.
The problem is proving it.
Ah no…I think if we just ask you that should suffice.
Another thought, why did the police office go behind the car to check the backpack?
Are the cameras no in the fron pointing forward?
Seems like Wolfe would go to the front of the police car so the camera could capture what was being removed from the bag . . . unliess . . . Wolfe was goiog to put something in the bag . . ..
who knows
Captain Hamilton and all other captains, watch commander and the chief MUST be prosecuted for aiding and abbeding (check spelling) murderers.
Yes, aiding and abbeting.
Yeah, there was another case involving cops falsifying police reports. Give me a min. and I’ll remember the name. It started w/an S. I can pix his face now but the name will come to me.
besides Veth Mam and Eddie Quinonez?
“It kind of explains why they were so quick to reach a paltry settlement with Mr. Thomas.”
This
“The reason why the other cops didn’t step in and stop it is because Officer Cicinelli was a high ranking police officer (a Lt I believe) and they were going off the old “Blue Code of Silence” mentality.”
This
“The other officers who stood by and did nothing while Officer Cicinelli brutally and viciously bludgeoned a man to death should be thrown in jail.”
And this.
“The other officers who stood by and did nothing while Officer Cicinelli brutally and viciously bludgeoned a man to death should be thrown in jail.”
What one thinks *should* be done, and what *can* be done according to the law and what can be proven in court are two very different things.
Do I wish the other cops had intervened and stopped the beating? Of course. Do I believe that the officers have a Blue Code of Silence mentality? Absolutely. So does the DA, btw. Do I also understand, as a rational adult, why wishes are aren’t fishes? Yes.
The OC DA wrote: “Based on the available evidence and all of the information reviewed related to this case, the evidence does not show that Officer Wolfe was aware of the physical threat made by Ramos against Thomas, which escalated the lawful detainment to an unlawful use of force. The evidence does not show that Officer Wolfe was aware upon joining the altercation that he was assisting in the restraint of a victim who had been subjected to excessive force by Ramos. Due to the lack of evidence to show knowing participation in an unlawful act, no charges can be filed against Officer Wolfe at this time.”
This.
BTW folks…this is all about EYE.. Why won’t you listen????? Also btw.. I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,) LOVE HAVING ALL THIS MATERIAL TO WORK WITH:):):):):):):)
i wonder if bunny could id the cop that took her camera, it would be someone used to covering up for themselves..
oops film i meant..
Yeah, I thought that too. Shady.
who knows?? he could be deaf, the way fpd hires
15 feet and he could not hear the conversation….. yeah right. Sounds like Wolfe needs a medical eval.
No he shouldn’t. The psychological damage alone is enough to keep him off the force, let alone not being able to see. Close one eye and walk around for a while..
“Close one eye and walk around for a while..”
C’mom We didn’t you listen to EYE. That’s NOT a very good analogy! Listen to me!!!!!
Wolfe plays Deaf, Dumb and Blind. I can’t hear you.. la la la la
I guess the trolls are out in full force today to make up for not having jack shit to say when the charges were announced.
i noticed they were all gone in the registers comment section..LOL
The charges were filed. Stop asking questions like “why did the DA file a weak case?” or “why did they lie about receiving the coroner’s report on the 20th?”. Its over. End of story. Move on with your lives.
SLF: You are probably right!
Apologist-if you don’t like what you’re reading, you don’t have to stick around.
That Recall No website they put up might be the most Laughable attempt at a website I have ever witnessed. It just proves that your city council and their lobbyists are stuck in the early 90′s, and by the way, who wrote the bullshit on that site? I love where it says “Recalls are typically used to remove officials for corruption or malfeasance in office” UHHHH…No shit genius, the kelly thomas case isnt a perfect example of corruption by you bufoons? We all know without that tape, this incidenct would have been brushed under the rug. It is obvious, that when 6 cops murder a man in front of over 100 witnesses and they are not scared of being held accountable, something is extremely sour.In addition, these dumbshits left the cops on the street for an additional month after the murder? another favorite on their wesite is when they say “Fullerton is a peaceful family town. Let’s keep it that way and not let political opportunism threaten our city’s safety” Really? I live in South OC and am scared to death to go out in fullerton for fear of some bullshit charge or worse that I might get beat to death or my wife might get molested by a cop.
Lastly, and the best part…at the bottom of the site it says “Supporters will be listed soon” and then there is nobody listed….how soon will that be? When you can find one or two people who aren’t in your pocket to come forward and support two ex corrupt cops and a goon from Texas with a Texas mentality? The whole site is directed to bash FFFF site, then they do you the biggest favor of all and actually mention your site and give them the web address….These three need to go just for their stupidity. Hey recall no people…when your site looks like it was developed by he haw himself, its probably not a good idea to give potential supporters the address to a site that just plain and simply kicks your ass…..
For the corruption in the Kelly Thomas Scandal, coupled with their combined IQ of about 80, these three need to go…….One last word to be fair….You citizens of Fullerton should be ashamed of yourselves for ever letting these three monkeys take control in the first place. Especially that Jones reject, he can’t even speak!!!
Can I move on with my life if it means me and the other four FPD who have our get out of jail free cards put on OUR LATEX GLOVES and let you know we are “ready to F you up” and hit you without provocation?
These sourpuss apologists will continue to make their sniveling little remarks. It’s all they got left.
“.. a goon from Texas with a Texas mentality ..”
No need to offend the great state of Texas here.
Sorry Texas Ranger, no disrespect. I apologize for a lack of a better term. What I meant by that is I can picture that goon sitting in a clan meeting back in texas in the 40 or 50’s and saying that the people disagreeing with him have a “lynch mob mentality”
Three of the officers had their Digital Audio Recorders TURNED OFFFFFFFFF
That should be grounds for dismissal right there.
Just like the FPO who thought a little sexual assault would go good on his shift as long as he turned off his DAR
Sounds like Wolfe should work for Verizon;
Can you hear me now?
Hee hee. Great idea for a new commercial.
Wow @ the OCR apparently backing the three blind mice with their shit article “Targeted council members in Fullerton gain support. ”
LOL at them quoting McKinley, Tony Bushala “has been a bully in this city for years.”
The OCR is the marketing arm for these city people.
IS THIS TRUE?
THE ENTIRE FPD HIGHER RANKS SAW AND HEARD EVERYTHING THE DA saw and heard (except witness testimony) and allowed these animals to continue working. FEDERAL INDICTMENTS FORALL FPD Leaders!!!
…and they’re still paying them even after charges have been filed.
Kelly Thomas: O.C.’s thoughts on the charges
What are your thoughts as to the district attorney’s charges in the Kelly Thomas case?
http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-318443-thoughts-charges.html
The fix is in…
“WE FILED CHARGES NOW SHUT UP AND STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!”
On the surface is “sounds” great that the DA filed charges but once you look into it the holes, inconsistencies and lack of other charges you’ll begin to see that the true motives of the DA.
I’d love to see you asks people for their thoughts after they really examine the DA’s case but you’re not going to do that because the purpose of this “story” is to cover for the DA and make them look great (like you usually do).
yes.. humor is appropriate.. and thank you 😛
Over? It’s only just begun.
DGG3: “its probably not a good idea to give potential supporters the address to a site that just plain and simply kicks your ass…..”
Lol .. this.
Did either Jay Cicinelli or Manny Ramos get the perp walk? Since I’ve been replaced by a glass eye, I couldn’t see if they gave them the perp walk or not.
I had an old freind getting hasseled at a party by another guy with one eye, so My freind spits in his good eye then decked him for trying to start a fight.
Yup, there are pictures of Jay Cicinelli and Manny Ramos in HANDCUFFS and being escorted out of the court room by sheriffs. That is the most awesome sight ever.
We need to comb through EVERY SINGLE FPD sworn officer’s files. Are there others like Cincinelli? Are there other officers @ FPD that were fired from other agencies? We need to clean house. Perhaps a psych exam for all officers is order to establish a baseline NOW!
“We need to comb through EVERY SINGLE FPD sworn officer’s files”
Yes. This is what is actually necessary. But extremely hard to get an investigative body to do.
John & Kelly talking about Kelly now.
OF COURSE THERE ARE. CHIEF SELLERS HEARD THE EVIL AUDIO AND DID NOTHING BUT EXIT ON TAXPAYER DISABILITY.
larry on September 22, 2011
Not to offend anyone with a vision disability,but next time you’re driving in traffic…cover one eye for just 15 seconds and imagine you are a police officer.
It is a scary thought that Pat Mckinley knowingly hired this guy despite being half blind.
This officer should of never been assigned patrol duty.
Larry,
When I first started working out in the gym many years ago, I had rust fall into my right eye from the weights; I could not see. This one night, it bothered me so much, I drove myself to the VA hospital in the San Fernando Valley; a distance of approximately 12 miles with my right eye closed. It was a scary drive, as I did not have any depth perception.
Knowing this, I cannot even imagine what a city is doing hiring an officer who has only one eye. Many favors were called in on this one. Cicinelli would NOT pass P.O.S.T., (Police Officer’s Standards and Training), re-certification, nor would he pass the eye test, and he would also have to undergo a full physical exam given by a city approved doctor.
Cicinelli was a lawsuit waiting to happen. It is a shame that someone had to die in the meantime, though he was only one of the 6 that participated in this murder. Damn them!!
This is a real eye opener. No pun intended.
” Under the Felony Murder Rule, Ramos could be charged with Second Degree Murder if a homocide (sic) (hahahahahaha) occured during his commision of a felony.”” Without the coroner’s ruling of homocide (sic) (hahahahahhahahahahahhaha) the murder rule would not have applied and Ramos would have had to of been charged with a lesser crime.
Look everyone. I’m the smartest person in the blog/room/city/world. I know everything and you people know nothing. I just don’t understand it!! I just don’t get it!!!! I don’t know why I can’t make you understand ( with my deductive reasoning and all…and don’t forget my ASSumptions.)
“Everybody loved me here when my posts conformed to the widely accepted group-think. It was only after I decided a few weeks ago that the DA would in fact bring serious charges, and as he said, very soon, that my position made me the enemy. I was asked repeatedly “who’s side are you on?”
“This opinion of mine turned out to be entirely correct, I even called when the announcemnet would be made, but it definitely did not conform to the ‘do-nothing corrupt DA’ gospel preached here and I even called when the announcemnet would be made.”
For the record…nobody loved you (except yourself-see narcissism). “It was only after I I,I,I,I,I, mem,me,me,me,me,me) decided….would bring serious charges soon (because I’m the smartest person in this blog/room/city/world!) “This opinion of mine turned out to be entirely correct”( I am ALWAYS correct. You don’t know it but I am always correct and you’re NOT!!! Why won’t you people just listen to me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me,me…AD NAUSEUM!!!!
“I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,)even called when the announcemnet would be made” one other case I googled came in ‘EXACTLY’ in 10 weeks just like this one!!!! Does anybody even get how much I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,) can predict the future because….. (come on and join in everyone-I am the smartest person in this blog/room/city/world!!!
NOW FOR THE ONLY REAL TRUTH IN THIS POST. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN ON THE RECORD WAY BEFORE YOU (na nanna boo boo we were first) in saying Kelly was MURDERED. (SEE HOMOCIDE(SIC) TEE HEE HEE.) WE WERE TOLD NOT TO RUSH TO JUDGEMENT BEFORE ALL THE FACTS WERE IN. THAT’S WHEN I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,,) WAS ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT BASED ON THE FACTS IT WAS MURDER (SEE HOMICIDE) BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!
This was supposed to show up as a quote. So the parts in quotes are attributed to none other than EYENEVERSAYNO THE GREAT ( I added “THE GREAT part because that’s how I (I,I,I,I,I,I,I,) feel.
Why don’t you just stick to the thread. You are acting very trollish in you diversionary tactics.
Why was McKinley able to hire a man on disability from another PD? How was he able to hire a guy hooked on drugs, who happened to be the son of a sheriff? And on and on.
I thought we had Civil Service and Union rules to prevent this kind of thing! I would like the City Council to address this, pronto.
The basic problem with FPD seems to be that it’s a patronage job for McKinley and his peeps.
“Every police officer knows you can’t threaten to beat someone up,” Rackauckas said. “You can’t say ‘I’m going to f— you up.'”
I think Case Law says Police Officers can use threats for compliance. Any attorneys out there for an opinion?
Ramos is being used as a scapegoat. Other Officers were involved. Ramos didn’t break Kelly’s nose, cheek & jaw. Either they all go to jail with reasonable bail or they all get arrested with high bail. Something is not right here.
I’m told that there are a few Fullerton officers with only 1 eye. With the amount of pay these officers make, you would think we could pick up the best and brightest, instead of these rejects.
Police still insist that they will not release a video showing their officers beat and taser Kelly Thomas, who died days later from his injuries, because they don’t want to influence any potential witnesses.
What a crock!
woow….fullerton Police have a history of being ASSSSSShol..es …and every body knows it. That is why I dont blame people who hate police officers in general.. They are ex -high school football loosers with an attitude. Pricks who were to stupid to get into a real college, and driven by there super ego. Jerks who think because of there size they can manipulate and demand respect…that is what makes up, the people we call to protect us..