Moxley Drop Kicks Whiting
Remember the useless OC Register tool David Whiting, who just couldn’t bend his moth ball size brain around the concept of a killer cop? And remember this pathetic load of road apples in which Whiting firmly attached his eagerly quivering lips to Doc HeeHaw’s withered undercarriage?
Now enjoy The OC Weekly’s Scott Moxley (a real reporter, by the way) as he tunes up the OC Register’s hackling, here. There seems to be a long tradition of pro-cop stoogery at the the rag, er, I mean the Reg, and Whiting is the latest wearer of the crown.
The central theme of Moxley’s piece is the notion that members of the Fourth Estate have a moral obligation to challenge those in authority, not lick their, um, boots. Poor Lou Ponsi is forced by his boss to write fluff pieces. Whiting has no such excuse; he seems perfectly content to pet and pamper those in authority, no matter how little he actually knows about what’s really going on.
If the Register can’t do its job a journalistic endeavor, I say it’s time to pull the plug. Who will join me in a boycott?
Verily! Verily!
Inside info:
The corp execs at the reg despise reporters. They could care less about them. the money is in the advertisement. The reporters get payed shit, and most of them are kids, without a clue, interning or just looking for a goodtime. Im surprised they havent bellied up yet. word on the street is they will be cutting back and laying people off again.
The reg is run by by a bunch of transient lawyers working for the share holders, The lawers they hired in the past, that have now moved on, have fucked the owners out of alot, and the retard owners hire the same personality types right back in again. It seems the lawyers passing thru are having a feeding frienzy over there. It seems the paper is run by the same personality types running fullerton.
There to be a network of layers in media that jump from one outlet to another that, like locusts, devour as much as they can, because they need to try to live the radical California dream in their Shadey Canyon estates and Laguna Beach ocean view homes. Most of these lawyers are non native California blowins, invading our ideal culture in order to line their pockets. generaly they seem to be fairly new to the area with no attachment, what so ever, to ordinary Californians.
Look up Sanders, and Sagan. they both work for Playboy now.
O like OC weekly, Good paper.
I can’t Imagine corprate allowing, High caliber, watch dogs working for the reg.
I get the idea that the share holders are left there in order to keep competeing Lawyers from getting at the current crews nest egg. Or am i just imagineing things? You tell me, corect me if i am wrong.
Nice drop-kick. Through the uprights!
From the beginning of time history has been populated with reeking sycophants who lay on the floor and lick the boots of authority. Whiting is obviously born of that genetic rot.
Wonderful to see Moxley swift-kick the pointed end of a boot square in his matted ass.
[ lie on the floor ]
does lack of interest due to lack of journalistic ethics, lack of reporting on significant events, biased , yellow journalism trnaslate into a boycott
Anyone sucking up to the power of authority is inferior and cowardly. It shows no backbone or inner strength in that person. Clearly his mother’s teat was left in his mouth to long past adolescence and looks to replace that security by choosing to have gonads residing in his mouth instead of teat. Clearly this is what Whiting prefers.
I have 3 dogs that lick my boots. I constantly have to shoo them off. I can’t imagine why anyone would want a human doing that too.
Nice job Moxley, once again. You’re the best columnist in the county.
I think it’s time for a re-write of the old Kenny Rogers tune “Coward of the County.”
And there were six of them.
Moxley rocks. OC Weekly investigative reporting sets a high standard. Whiting actually seems like a nice guy but is way out of his league trying to report on political issues. He should stick to the nature stuff.
Does anyone know if Whiting has published anything in book form? Does it start off “It was a dark and stormy night … “
L.A. agrees to pay fired cop $3.2 million
By Rick Orlov, Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: 11/03/2011 01:00:00 AM PDT
The City Council on Wednesday approved a $3.2 million settlement in a case brought by an 18-year veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department who alleged he was forced out of the department through retaliation.
Officer Richard Romney had sued the department, alleging he was subject to retaliation because of his testimony in a case brought by another officer against the department regarding officers being forced to work overtime without pay.
A jury had recommended the city pay $4 million to Romney.
During that case, Romney testified officers often had to give up their 45-minute lunch break to respond to calls in South Los Angeles. He said requests for overtime would be ignored by superiors because of the city’s budget situation.
A short time after he testified, Romney said the LAPD opened an inquiry into whether he had violated the department’s policy on overtime.
Former Police Chief William Bratton had overturned a recommendation that Romney be given a one-day suspension, instead recommending he be fired.
Officials are concerned the case could have far-reaching repercussions in other legal actions filed by officers over the overtime pay issue.
The Romney case was filed under the Fair Labor Standards Act governing when workers are entitled to overtime.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/police-beating-excessive-force-thompson-zehm-spokane.html
You beat me to it…..
Corruption within the LAPD? Noooooooo.
Corruption at ALL levels of government?? Nooooooooo.
YAKIMA – A jury today convicted Spokane Police Officer Karl F. Thompson Jr. of needlessly beating Otto Zehm and then lying about it to cover up his actions.
The verdict comes five years and seven months since Zehm’s life ended and growing questions of police accountability began.
Prosecutors are expected to seek a prison term of six to eight years, arguing that Thompson was in a position of trust and that Zehm, who was schizophrenic, was particularly vulnerable.
“We are greatly relieved, the jury performed its duty,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy Durkin, who oversaw preparations for the federal case. “It’s not something we take any joy in. But it’s a very important case and we still have a lot of work to do.”
Despite the criminal conviction, U.S. District Court Judge Fred Van Sickle allowed Thompson, 64, to remain free despite a request by federal prosecutors to immediately detain him, which is mandatory for violent crimes.
Late today, Durkin filed a motion seeking to hold an 11 a.m. hearing in Yakima that would be video-linked to Spokane. The motion seeks to have Thompson detained until his sentencing, which Van Sickle did not immediately set.
In court, defense attorney Carl Oreskovich argued against Thompson’s arrest, saying the case “involved the use of force, but I do not believe it is an act of violence” that would trigger mandatory detention. In 2009, Thompson posted a $50,000 signature bond following his indictment. Today, he declined several requests for comment following the verdict.
Oreskovich said appeal options will be considered after a sentencing hearing, which has yet to be scheduled.
“I am surprised and stunned by the outcome of this case,” Oreskovich said. “We believe Officer Thompson is an innocent man. We are going to keep fighting for him. This is a devastating day for him and us.”
Jurors declined comment as they left the federal courthouse. One said they had decided as a group to decline post-verdict interviews.
In Spokane, Mayor Mary Verner said today she’s hoping the verdict will enable the community to begin healing after years of divisive debate over the fatal Zehm encounter.
“This tragedy has torn us apart,” Verner said. “As we reach closure I hope that we’ll think first and foremost of the people whose lives were changed on that day in 2006 and that we will rally together as a community.”
Paperwork terminating Thompson’s employment with the Spokane police force is being prepared, said Police Chief Anne Kirkpatrick. Although internal investigations into the conduct of other officers on the force are possible, the chief said she won’t initiate any until federal authorities advise that their investigations into the department are complete.
Kirkpatrick said she would attend all police rollcalls over the next 24 hours.
“We’re going to heal,” Kikrpatrick said. “Much of my role is like a parent. I am here to serve them, care for them and direct them. We’re going to reset our button. We’re going to move forward, and we’ll let the healing process take its natural course.”
A federal grand jury reportedly is considering criminal charges against at least one other Spokane police officer in connection with the Zehm case, and in court this week U.S. prosecutors openly described what they consider an attempted coverup involving various officers.
Back in 2006, police rebuffed any questions about the fatal confrontation, insisting for months that Zehm was the aggressor and that Thompson was forced to defend himself and others from an out-of-control robbery suspect. The city and Spokane County Prosecutor Steve Tucker also fought attempts by news organizations to obtain copies of the convenience store security video, relenting only after The Spokesman-Review advised it was preparing to sue under government accountability laws.
Spokane Police Acting Chief Jim Nicks insisted Thompson had followed proper police training and procedure, statements he later reversed when questioned by federal investigators.
Community reaction to the case intensified in July 2006 when police officials finally showed the surveillance video which showed Thompson advancing on a retreating Zehm.
The video did not show any lunge or any of the aggressive behavior described by Thompson in his tape-recorded interview on March 22, 2006 with Detective Terry Ferguson.
The FBI started its own probe about the same time Ferguson wrote a report saying that she found no evidence of excessive force.
As a result, details began leaking out of how Ferguson and fellow detective Mark Burbridge either omitted or inaccurately documented witness statements that Thompson had hit Zehm in the head, which would constitute unjustified lethal force.
Spokane County Prosecutor Steve Tucker used the FBI investigation as justification for withholding a charging decision in state court. Tucker said at the time that he wanted to see the evidence gathered by federal agents.
As the federal criminal investigation continued – which ultimately led to Thompson’s indictment for using unreasonable force and lying to investigators – attorneys for Zehm’s estate and his mother filed a federal civil rights lawsuit.
That case was put on hold by U.S. District Court Judge Lonny Suko until the conclusion of the criminal case after concerns of conflict of interest were raised by federal prosecutors who claimed in court documents that Assistant City Attorney Rocky Treppiedi and others were using information in the civil case to assist Oreskovich in the criminal case.
Breean Beggs and Jeffry Finer, who represent Zehm’s mother and estate, previously said that they had tried to negotiate a settlement that would include monetary damages, an apology and a plan for changes for the way police interact with mentally ill people.
But Treppiedi and Oreskovich authored a 56-page response in 2009 that said Zehm was at fault for his own death.
“Any injury or damage suffered by Mr. Zehm was caused solely by reason of his conduct and willful resistance,” they wrote.
(Watch for continuing online updates and for complete coverage in Thursday’s edition of The Spokesman-Review.)
6-8 years is bullshit. They should be going for the full 20 AND investigating who else aided in the cover-up.
How long before PDs around the country realize hiring former LAPD is just opening the door to bringing shame on your city and lawsuits aplenty? City Council should forbid the hiring of any officers formerly with LAPD.
“Back in 2006, police rebuffed any questions about the fatal confrontation, insisting for months that Zehm was the aggressor and that Thompson was forced to defend himself and others from an out-of-control robbery suspect. The city and Spokane County Prosecutor Steve Tucker also fought attempts by news organizations to obtain copies of the convenience store security video, relenting only after The Spokesman-Review advised it was preparing to sue under government accountability laws.”
Virtually the exact same procedures used to cover up details in the Kelly Thomas murder. This proves a conspiracy between the police and the District Attorney’s office.
Yeah, he was the aggressor. He had a can of sody pop. Seriously, that’s what the article said. Poor pathetic Officer Thompson was a a-feared for his life and so immediately started bashing Zehm in the head with his baton, dropped him to the ground, and then immediately tased him.
And I’ll bet you Thompson was bragging about it for a week.
Back in 2006, police rebuffed any questions about the fatal confrontation, insisting for months that Zehm was the aggressor and that Thompson was forced to defend himself and others from an out-of-control robbery suspect. The city and Spokane County Prosecutor Steve Tucker also fought attempts by news organizations to obtain copies of the convenience store security video, relenting only after The Spokesman-Review advised it was preparing to sue under government accountability laws.
The Spokesman-Review was instrumental in releasing that video. That is the role of the fourth estate which has been lacking from the Register. Their pretend attempt to have the officer’s names released in KT case served more as an opportunity for advancing arguments against doing so. Glad this blog and others are around.
Why doesn’t LA Times sue for the release of the bus surveillance video?
Evidence.
Bullshit.
My guess is, the video is so graphic and so prejudicial that the city is afraid there won’t be any way to minimize the criminal and civil liabilities, and are sitting on it as long as possible.
And with the Rodney King riots in mind they’re probably afraid for the safety of the entire SoCal law enforcement community, especially in light of the rash of recent controversial police killings.
I agree
Whether it is against departmental policy or not, when a worker works overtime or works without a lunch, it is against the law NOT to pay them. The supervisor of the officers was accountable to explain to his superiors why he gave them work assignments that resulted in overtime if that was their policy, and adjustments made from that end. To take it out on the officers who had no choice regarding those assignments or not pay them is illegal and they should know that, as do most managers with employees in other companies.
The State of California does not recognize ignorance as an excuse for employers in these cases, as it is part of their agreement when receiving a business license enabling them to have employees that they or their managing employees know this.
Glad to see he got what was coming to him. I hope he’s one of the good cops, and not one of the bad cops.
OC Register? I’ve heard of that. Isn’t that the rag that devotes more page space to Orly Taitz than it does to …say…anything remotely relevant?
We’ll all be sad to see it go (sarcasm).
This newspaper stopped being newsworthy many years ago. The O.C. Racist Register is sort of like the school newsletter that gets sent home to parents that only want to hear good news and nothing controversial that might upset someone and cause them to think that something is amiss in the O.C.
I don’t read the paper, and I don’t watch the news. “News”.. Ha! They spend more time promoting products and events than they do delivering twisted their versions of the truth. It’s more like one big commercial. Seriously, I don’t understand how ANY mentally active adult can bear to sit through it! I prefer to talk to my friends and family and get out and socialize as much as possible. When it come to the news, I try to seek that information from reliable sources like this one here. =)
Sorry – typo. 0=)
I don’t read the paper, and I don’t watch the news. “News”.. Ha! They spend more time promoting products and events than they do delivering their twisted versions of the truth. It’s more like one big commercial. Seriously, I don’t understand how ANY mentally active adult can bear to sit through it! I prefer to talk to my friends and family and get out and socialize as much as possible. When it come to the news, I try to seek that information from reliable sources like this one here. =)
Tracy –
YOU’RE EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!
The so called “news” is nothing but trivial garbage!! If you want your intelligence insulted, just turn it on and listen for the first 5 minutes!
Also, my niece and I refer to it as the “Murder Report.”
I turned on ABC “news” last night and got the results for “Dancing With The Stars”. That’s news? The “show” should be called ABC promos of ABC programs!
News would be that an investigation shows that “Dancing with the stars” votes are improperly counted so that the producers can get the most ratings. Now that would be news.
“I’ve had my eyes bloused a few times myself.”
~Councilman Pat McKinley
And when the lights go down, it’s “I’ve had my eyes on that blouse for some time.”
That’s funnier (and just as truthful) as hearing a fat woman at walmart fart as she walks
“I probably hired them all.”
~Councilman Pat McKinley acknowledging that he hired the officers who were involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas.
Rat posion is mostly comprised of palatable and appealing treats to the vermon such as seed and nut paste. Present in trace amounts are calciferols, anticoagulants and metal phosphides. These are what get the job done. The OC register is a TOTAL psy-op. Just like all the other main stream media, it propagandizes to lowest common denominator. Lets face it they majority of the public has been dumbed down as a result of various programs (diet, injections and injunctions). We are vermon to them. That is why the public swallows the rat poison. The Register appears to be an attenuated form of rat poison. In my opinion some of its purposes for the reader include but are not limited to: entertain, spin, divert, divide and conquer, spew halftruths, misdirect attention and draw inane conclusions for its readers. Its ultimate purpose however is to PROTECT THE HEIRARCHY OF DARK FORCES THAT ARE SO INSIDIOUSLY ENTRENCHED IN THIS NEO-CON LAW AND ORDER COMMAND AND CONTROL COUNTY. ITS GATEKEEPERS REOPORT TO THEM. Good thing WE don’t drink the Kool-aid. It is up to alternative media to unlock minds. The revolving door over there keeps the help cheap and the meat fresh. The compartmentalization keeps the lemings from waking up. When they do, the turnstile awaits. Funny thing how they refer to those that challenge corruption as cowards when in reality, they have more courage than the sociopaths will ever understand.
Who cares? Nobody is getting recalled…Write Ron a check and call it a day…one less transient
Please refrain from consuming adult beverages before making comments on this blog!
looks like “lame” mainlines Benzodiazepine-poor soul
Certainly is plausible!
Let’s quit blaming drugs for people’s inborn stupidity.
or demonic posession
Quote: by lame on November 3, 2011
Who cares? Nobody is getting recalled…Write Ron a check and call it a day…one less transient
WOW…with this statement we all know now what your “heart” looks like. Sad, very sad!!
Thats his opinion. You all have yours, so leave him alone..
Yeah, my opinion is: let’s write that check to Ron and sit back and wait for the next guy to be beaten for 9 minutes and 48 seconds, or until he’s dead! What the hell… who cares?!?!
I mentioned how cops were coming in here posting snarky comments. Now they’re posting sympathetic posts under bogus names.
This reminds me of when I was an adolescent and had much fun making something dance from side-to-side.
(11-03) 12:33 PDT Long Beach, Calif. (AP) —
Long Beach police won’t face criminal charges for killing a man who pointed what turned out to be a pistol-grip water nozzle at them.
The Los Angeles County district attorney’s office announced Thursday that the officers who killed 35-year-old Douglas Zerby last December acted in self-defense.
Zerby was drunk when he was spotted holding what neighbors and police thought was a gun on the porch of a friend’s home.
Zerby’s mother and the mother of his 8-year-old son have filed a federal civil rights and wrongful-death suit.
Their attorney, Brian Claypool, argued Thursday that Zerby never pointed the nozzle and didn’t even know police had surrounded the home. He says police never identified themselves or ordered Zerby to drop the nozzle before shooting him more than a dozen times.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/03/state/n123342D55.DTL#ixzz1cftkPQ4A
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If I lived in Long Beach I’d be out in front of their station protesting right now!
What is going to take for the citizenry to wake up and realize that our police forces pose a greater threat to public safety in many places than our criminals?
this is reprehensible. What is wrong this world? is every DA in the country corrupt?
Looks that way.
No the DA in LA COUNTY is corrupt. Not every DA in the country. Lets keep to the facts.
“lame” has his opinion (and freely states it here) but anyone else has to leave him alone and not state their opinion?? WTF? You’re not from around here, are ya?
The FPD have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Kelly Thomas, and you curse the Fullerton Police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Thomas’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Freedom is wonderful, and the people who protect it are respected and appreciated. However, “the manner in which [you] provide it” is of great concern to each and every citizen. It is not only those who break laws who have had dangerous run-ins with police.
As Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., once stated, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” If one person’s civil rights have been violated, we would be ignorant to go on our merry way and assume that person will never be us.
Why don’t you just quit your job? The people you have swon to “serve and protect” don’t want your “service and protection” any longer if that is your attitude. Just quit! its just too bad we can’t take your pension away from you.
You are no public servant. We don’t sleep under a blanket of freedom you provide. You are simultaneously a bully and a parasite.
Go do something useful with your life. Killing the homeless is a service we have not requested and do not want.
LOL. Imagine if you had the power to do anything you wanted JT?
1. Mandatory psych exam for all cops. Weed out the psychos and sociopaths.
2. Retraining for all cops. Treat all citizens with respect at all times, regardless of provocation. Learn stress management techniques to deal with anger issues. Mandatory psych counseling for many cops. Zero tolerance for police abuse – all provable cases should result in officer being fired AND prosecuted.
3. Good salaries, work hours, pensions, etc so there can be no complaints about the job itself. If you do a good job you should be rewarded for it. Of course FPD already have good salaries and pensions….
4. Total transparency. All personnel info etc. publically available.
5. Ban tasers and extremely strict use of weapons policies. Change use of force policies to define incidents such as the “garden hose shooting”, “guy with the soda can may use it as a weapon” as unacceptable uses of force, resulting in 100%chance of prosecution. “self-defense” only usable when officers’ lives were ACTUALLY in danger, not just them having the perception that they might be.
6. Fitness training and annual fitness exams.
7. Citizen complaints taken extremely seriously, investigated promptly, with full transparency.
Something like that Reality Is. The funny thing is you’re going to laught at it but the majority of citizens not only of Fullerotn but all over the country would support this. Guess your cop unions wouldn’t huh. They like being above the law and accountable to nobody. Who wouldn’t, besides people with REAL honor and integrity?
Yep. Sounds good but you know what reality is. Answer to almost everything you list is “that’s what already happens”.
“Answer to almost everything you list is “that’s what already happens”.”
Come on. We both know better than that. Only one of the things above that already happens is 3. Maybe 1 when hiring but these need to be annual.
Weed out the psychos and sociopaths – NOT HAPPENING.
Zero tolerance for police abuse – all provable cases should result in officer being fired AND prosecuted – NOT HAPPENING.
Treat all citizens with respect at all times, regardless of provocation – NOT HAPPENING.
Total transparency. All personnel info etc. publically available – NOT HAPPENING because of State law and union pressure.
Ban tasers and extremely strict use of weapons policies – happening in some jurisdictions. in Fullerton – NOT HAPPENING.
self-defense” only usable when officers’ lives were ACTUALLY in danger, not just them having the perception that they might be – NOT HAPPENING.
Fitness training and annual fitness exams – I don’t know but I suspect NOT HAPPENING.
Citizen complaints taken extremely seriously, investigated promptly, with full transparency – HA. Definitely NOT HAPPENING.
Seriously though, if I were a police officer, specially a Captain or Chief, that would be the kind of department I would want. One which played by the rules, treated the community with respect, and thus was supported by the public. Even as a low-level Officer or trainee – just “here are the rules. Here is what you can do. Here is what you can’t do. Violate these rules and you will be fired and possibly prosecuted.” Seriously what is the downside of that?
Every chief and every supervisor and every cop will tell you we abide by every one of your recommendations. Policies to prove it. Cases to prove it. It’s the perception portion of what is done that you disagree with.
Except the fat cop portion and the taser portion. Discrimination due to fitness or age will never happen. Taser and other tools are needed.
There is no discrimination due to fitness? Isn’t a certain level of fitness still required to successfully serve on the streets long after an officer graduates from police academy?
Also, have you mentioned if you work in the Orange County area?
I don’t think that it the case but I’m not going to argue about all of them. But what about this one:
4. Total transparency. All personnel info etc. publically available.
It is my understanding that personnel files are completely UNAVAILABLE unless subpoeaned and even there can be hard to get. That’s part of POBOR right?
Oh you have “policies” up your ass. The problem is you disregard them whenever you feel like it.
JT, grab a gun and a vest and get your ass on the street. When the time comes to defend yourself or someone else tell me the first thing you think of before you act.
Too late, someone or you is hurt or dead because you didn’t act fast enough. While you had all of 2 seconds to decide what exactly you were going to do every idiot who thinks they would have done something different gets all the time in the world to “monday morning quarterback” your decision.
Now you know what it’s like to be a cop.
If you want to hear more, just ask.
OK, I’ll bite. Tell me about:
1. Why you need to defend yourself from a person with a soda can. What are they going to do, shake it up and spray it all over you?
2. Why you wouldn’t shout “drop your weapon” before firing on the drunk guy with the garden hose nozzle?
3. Why you would repeatedly bash the face in of the homeless guy when three of your buds are already holding him down?
4. Why would you shoot the fleeing suspect in the back despite the fact that they have no weapon and pose no threat to you?
Jt, I’ll agree with almost everything you said, except for treat all citizens with respect at all times, regardless of provocation. If a meth junkie has broken into my home and is holding my spouse at gun point because he’s pissed that we’re home and can’t rob us blind to get money for his next fix, there is absolutely no need for respect. I expect the cops to NOT be respectful and start the ass kicking PRONTO. We don’t pay for the police to be respectful in situations like that.
Great post lame. For JT and the other idiots I think you have to spell it out. It was a a line from a movie, jackass.
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“For JT and the other idiots I think you have to spell it out. It was a a line from a movie, jackass.”
Yeah, you have to spell it out. Since you didn’t use quotation marks or footnotes to indicate you had lifted it from another source, you’re guilty of plagiarism.
And your arrogant attitude about doing it indicates you couldn’t care less about the rule of law. But ohhh would you scream bloody murder if someone stole something from YOU! Typical assclown.
I wasn’t the one who posted “assclown”. The whole paragraph is a pretty famous line from Jack Nicholson in the movie A Few Good Men.
Look it up
I didn’t have to look it up, I recognized it. And since you joined your braying voice with lame’s, you’re accessory after the fact. Pottery Barn rules.
And besides, when Jack Nicholson says those words it sounds believable. When you say them it sounds completely ridiculous! LMFAO!
I understand your frustration, especially if you may work in law enforcement, but using language like that only hurts your cause. I think now is a time for all city employees to act with great dignity to prove to the public that they are respectable and care about serving the citizens. Retaliating and stooping to calling people names just reinforces people’s negative views of the police department, City Council, etc.
Yep, so you know how the movie ends then.
Something about a tuff guy and a reality check that is so entertaining. I can’t wait to see the phony look of humility on Capt. Frijole’s face tomorrow.
Here’s a quote back at you:
“However low a man sinks he never reaches the level of the police.”
A harmless transient is brutally murdered by 6 Fullerton cops, and not one cop in any jurisdiction has had the courage to speak out against it.
The corruption in FPD is widespread and documented. So either FPD is full of spineless check cashers, or the administration is so vindictive everyone is afraid to stick their neck out. Which is it?
Cacklefoos…… There are MANY cops that have spoke out against what happened to Kelly. I have been blogging on the OCR on the various Kelly Thomas articles, and many are outraged about what happened.
How come they haven’t come in here to speak out against it? The only thing they come in here to do is make disparaging comments against anyone who is disgusted with their brutality.
Please, , How can you possibly say Kelly’s death saved lives? Honor, code loyalty? Those are words you know nothing about. NO one will ever tell you thank you, because any ‘good’ you may do is wiped away by your self serving attitude. We don’t want you to explain yourself, we just want you gone NOW. You defend nothing but your own ego.
Even in wartime, we prosecute those that overstep their bounds because in doing so, they have become those that we are fighting against.
We are a civilized society and don’t give a damn what YOU think your entitled to, so put down your weapon for us, because we don’t want you or those that think like you.
Lame…….There are many cops that go through just as much or more than you, , and they don’t compromise themselves or the oath that they took. The good cops don’t want the bullies or worse in their ranks either.
I know this because my Father was in LE his whole life and I grew up around cops. They don’t consider cops like you to be anything like the rest of them.
So quit saying ‘we’, you are only speaking for ‘you’.
Exactly. I say it all the time on here. Cops that are bad and violate policies or laws need to go and be punished.
David Whiting wrote in his October 21 article in the OC Register that he was “asking why they [Jones, Bankhead, and McKinley] said little in the months after the death of Kelly Thomas” and that “[f]or some, it’s the first time they’ve publicly opened up.” This is laughable because they did not say little. In fact, they said quite a lot.
McKinley went on national television in an interview with CNN touting medical expertise that he simply does not have and making assumptions about the extent of Kelly’s injuries. And now he says to Whiting, “I look at these pictures of Kelly Thomas…and I’m as appalled as anybody else.” Right. I’m appalled that he thinks our memories are so faulty that we can’t recall his statements on CNN just months ago comparing those very same injuries to ones he has endured when he’s had his “eyes bloused.”
Mayor Jones also made similar comments on video, expressing that he had seen worse-looking injuries during the war on people who lived. Statements made by Jones and McKinley regarding Kelly Thomas’s injuries, which were ignorant and ill-informed seeing as how they were not treating Mr. Thomas, showed extreme prejudice and bias. Also, it baffles me that these men do not realize that the face is attached to the front of the head, which holds the very delicate human brain.
I have seen Mayor Jones yell at his constituents to “SHUT UP!” at a City Council meeting. I have also witnessed his countless sarcastic remarks toward citizens who disagree with him and his fellow recallees when they speak at the meetings. A truly dignified leader takes unwanted comments in stride and listens just as intently to those who dissent as to those who praise.
Mayor Pro Tem Bankhead attempted to have a Ralphs grocery store manager remove citizens collecting signatures to recall their leaders on property considered public domain. Quite frankly, if for no other reason, Mr. Bankhead should not be serving on the City Council for not even understanding the city’s laws regarding public domain and/or completely disregarding the laws.
Councilmember Pat McKinley made me finally decide to sign his petition when he so brazenly told a group of women ( who were listening to him speak on the topic of how women can protect themselves against predators) that an officer inappropriately touching female arrestees “ain’t a dangerous thing.” A real man and a truly “dignified leader” speaks out against sexual abuse in any and all forms perpetrated against any person.
The sorry attempt he made at the Fullerton City Council meeting this past Tuesday, November 1, to address the outrageous comments he made to that group of women only had to do with his wording when he said the accusers were not “women like these” in reference to the women in the audience. He did not apologize for anything he said but simply told the citizens that what he SHOULD have said was that the federal judge had found them not to be “credible witnesses.” Okay, well what about the part when he told women that “inappropriate touching” is neither “sexual” nor “dangerous”? The fact that he didn’t even think those comments were worth apologizing for just further displays his arrogance and inability to see the flaws in his thinking.
These men are not victims of the people. The people are victims of their poor leadership and are finally standing up to them. For that, any person who truly loves America should be very proud because, yes, “[t}he great thing about democracy is we get to choose.”
And let me tell you, the only “grandstanding” most of us are tired of is that of Mr. Whiting.
Basically, we may have all literally signed their petitions, but they sealed their own fate each and every time they opened their mouths (and also all of the times they didn’t).
Well said Fed Up!
Not Mayor Pro Tem, his spouse…..
I was under the impression it was both of them.
It was brought to my attention that it was perhaps not the Mayor Pro Tem who tried to have the citizens collecting recall signatures removed. If that is correct, then I retract that particular statement.
In the upcoming movie “J Edgar” the founder and former head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, is shown kissing his lifelong companion Clyde Tolson. He’s also shown wearing a woman’s dress.
It’s widely known in government circles that Hoover was a flamboyant homosexual who threw parties at his house and liked to be called ‘Mary’ when he answered the door in his pretty red dress.
Apparently the FBI can’t bear the thought of their hero in seamed stockings and high heels. Director Clint Eastwood and Leonardo DiCaprio, who plays the role of the transvestite g-man in a garter, were summoned to FBI HQ to meet with brass in a vain attempt to whitewash their dirty laundry.
“Assistant FBI Director Mike Kortan asserted, ‘Vague rumors and fabrications have cropped up from time to time, but there is no evidence in the historical record on this issue.”
Of course not. That is, not the historical record available to the public. Rumor has it the mob had tons of pictures of ‘Mary,’ which would explain why, ironically, the most prolific blackmailer in U.S. history had a laissez-faire policy when it came to La Cosa Nostra.
The gay underground has coined a term for receiving oral sex from a cop in uniform – the Hoover manuever.
Now, whenever I see one of Hoover’s boys, I always wonder if they’re wearing something slinky under those government-issued pants.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/fbi-hoover-not-gay_n_997860.html
It also was well known that he always wore womens underwear under his suits.
I would like to see some posts about the good things that our police officers do. They save lives everyday and deserve some regonition for their good acts, even though most of them don’t want to be sought out and recognized. They would say “Just doin’ my job!”
OK. Fair enough. I met a nice and seemingly honest cop here in OC once. Young guy in his twenties. He came to investigate a possible burglary attempt and gave us excellent home protection tips. His demeanor was entirely pleasant, he was helpful and considerate, and then suddenly had to go respond to a call about gunfire. But the 10 or so minutes he talked to me gave me confidence and hope about policing around here. This was NOT in Fullerton but in a nearby city.
I don’t think anybody here thinks all cops are inherently bad. Sorry if that’s the impression any good cops or there families are coming away with.
But the fact that some good cops exist doesn’t mean anything when we are confronted with all of these unjustified police killings, random case of police brutality, etc.
Yes, I’ve had a number of positive interactions with police officers in nearby cities who have always been extremely helpful. I’ve also had family members who have been police officers and were darn good at their jobs. That’s why it’s even more upsetting to hear about some officers who do not respectfully serve and protect citizens. It is a disgrace to the badge and to all of the other officers who serve with integrity out of a genuine concern for the welfare of others.
For sure. I feel the same way. It will always be a never ending task to find and punish bad cops. Forever.
So how come none of the “good” cops are willing to speak out against the “bad” cops? Their silence makes them seem complicit.
The very simple answer to the speaking out part in terms of any police employees, city employees, city government, families, or anyone else related to this case or any case for that matter is because anything anyone says will only cause more questions, more ridicule, more analysis by people with no knowledge of policies and procedures, and more separation by both sides of the issue.
Have you noticed that when major incidents like Fullerton happen it’s almost eerily silent? That’s due to experience in matters like this. No matter what anyone says it will be wrong in half the people’s eyes and correct in the other half. So the answer by all of the people I mentioned is say nothing.
Leave it to the investigation and the people with knowledge of the facts of the incident. The more people talk and make statements the more alive things stay, the more criticism people get. Stay quiet, and you hear some mumbling here and there, but it stays relatively quiet top to bottom.
That’s my take on the reasons. Cops involved stay quiet because they are ordered to by their attorney. But same basic reason, anything the cops would say would be subject to the same things.
“The very simple answer to the speaking out part in terms of any police employees, city employees, city government, families, or anyone else related to this case or any case for that matter is because anything anyone says will only cause more questions, more ridicule, more analysis by people with no knowledge of policies and procedures, and more separation by both sides of the issue.”
I disagree. The more silence, the more speculation. Any good PR adviser says to get out in front of a story. Even platitudes are better than silence. I’m amazed your would seriously say such a thing. ARE you serious?
“Have you noticed that when major incidents like Fullerton happen it’s almost eerily silent? That’s due to experience in matters like this. No matter what anyone says it will be wrong in half the people’s eyes and correct in the other half. So the answer by all of the people I mentioned is say nothing.”
What I’ve noticed is that there is genuine rage in Fullerton not just from the killing, but also from the lack of communication from FPD, the DA, and the city council. It paints a picture of the government circling the wagons to protect themselves, the public’s need to know be damned. Not only incredibly tone deaf, in my opinion, but callous and indifferent, too. Again, I am shocked that you would be defending their actions even as the populace is storming the gates, so-to-speak. (Is there a gun to your head? Nod if your life is in danger)
“Leave it to the investigation and the people with knowledge of the facts of the incident.”
Puh-lease. If it wasn’t for the citizens demanding answers the whole thing would have been swept under the rug exactly like the period between July 5 and when FFFF first brought it to everyone’s attention with the unbelievable picture of Kelly in the hospital. “Leave it to” absolutely does not work anymore.
“The more people talk and make statements the more alive things stay, the more criticism people get. Stay quiet, and you hear some mumbling here and there, but it stays relatively quiet top to bottom.”
OMG! Sellers and the rest have been quiet for 4 months now. Have you not noticed the protests and the media attention? I don’t know what you mean by quiet from top to bottom, but it’s definitely not including the sound of cars driving around the PD with their horns blaring.
“That’s my take on the reasons. Cops involved stay quiet because they are ordered to by their attorney. But same basic reason, anything the cops would say would be subject to the same things.”
I can appreciate you’re between a rock and a hard place. Your job as a spokesperson is to come on here and deliver the official response (and no doubt monitor any potential threats). But if you have any conscience after this scandal you’ll pray to God for forgiveness for doing what you have to do. I really do feel sorry for you.
Just saying it how it is. Look around. Big stories you hear very little. Politician style. Keep it quiet, keep it in the middle, keep it simple, say nothing.
Yes, I know what the group is doing. Protesting. Protesting to silence from the leaders. It may sound odd, and sound ilke something you don’t want to hear. But it’s the way it is across the state. Politicians started it, now it works for everything. Say a little, let them wonder the rest. Keep the middle ground, keep both sides on your side somewhat, let things quiet down. I’m nothing but someone saying things how they are. Don’t feel sorry for me. I lead a great wonderful life and don’t need any sympathy. I enjoy debates, and enjoy saying things how they actually are. That’s why you don’t like what I say, because you don’t like how things actually are. Makes sense.
“Just saying it how it is. Look around. Big stories you hear very little. Politician style. Keep it quiet, keep it in the middle, keep it simple, say nothing.”
I know that’s how it is. It’s called sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away. That’s how there isn’t any investigation unless there’s a public outcry. And if there is an investigation it always ends with the officers being cleared because the suspect reached for his waistband (a common ploy to justify lethal force, just like yelling “Stop resisting!” is a ploy to justify beating the crap out of someone).
And assuming a police report is turned over to the DA’s office, it sits for months being ‘investigated’ while the public’s anger goes from simmering to a full boil.
The Kelley Thomas murder has served notice on the entire law enforcement and criminal justice system that the status quo is not acceptable any more. If cops are smart they’ll recognize that their days of wilding are over.
On the OCR blogs of the Kelly Thomas articles, we asked some of the cops that were outraged about what happened to Kelly to explain why other FPD officers didn’t report to supervisors when they saw Cincinelli, Ramos or other cops getting too far out when dealing with citizens. Because we knew they just didn’t wake up that morning acting like that.
They said that when working with them, they might have seen them getting a little too aggressive, too fast and wondered why. But, each cop rides his own patrol car and those guys would hold back when knowing other eyes were watching. (Remember, the other cops arrived after the beating on Kelly had already started, the DA made a point of their arrival times when he spoke).
They said after it happened, they remembered what they had observed before and then it all made sense to them.
Another thing for what it’s worth too……. A retired cop with 28 years service talked with his friend in Fullerton about what happened and told all of us what the DA’s results were going to be long before he gave his press conference. More important than that, he also told us that some of the officers that night upon arriving and realizing what really was happening, pulled the others off Kelly to stop them, but it was too late.
What happened hasn’t been completely revealed yet, so we don’t know yet if that’s true. I’d sure like to think so, , but we eventually will find out, and that might explain why there were no charges filed against the others.
“More important than that, he also told us that some of the officers that night upon arriving and realizing what really was happening, pulled the others off Kelly to stop them, but it was too late.”
I’m not disputing what you’re saying, but I haven’t heard any citizens say that. And there was a lot of them standing around with cameras recording what happened.
Yeah, why is that? Because bullies and jerkoffs are attracted to the uniform and the gun – but not the responsibility. It would really be easy to weed out these proto-criminals but the departments that want to get tough and mean hire them.
Agree. I have very good conversations all the time with residents and visitors. I expect the same of my guys. It’s enjoyable and rewarding. Reminds me daily of why I do the job.
Sorry to drift off topic a bit, but is anybody planning on attending Ramos & Cicinelli’s pre-trial hearing tomorrow in Santa Ana?
I’m going to try to be there. If I can make it, I’ll blog about it here:
SoCalLawBlog.blogspot.com
Should be quick. Imagine immediately rescheduled.
See my blog post from 11-1-11 (“Killer Cops Due Back in Court”).
Not expecting much other than a continuance, possibly setting dates for prelim (at most).
I don’t know of any agencies that have any. There could be some. I know some reward fitness. If they are so out of shape it affects their ability to do the job, that can be addressed.
Yea pobar and case law. Strict monitoring. Won’t change. Too much abuse of files if allowed.
Is it true that Tony paid people to protest? I got ripped off if he did.
Yeah, you got ripped off. Now run along and play in the traffic.
I loved LAP BAND DAN’S response on Moxleys site.
That pretty much sums up the silly bullshit going on over there!
You can bet your a**, if one of the the pulp masters such as the ‘NATIONAL Enquirer” or “Globe” could see some $$$$ they would have their investigative reporters in Fullerton. Their reports would get a line on who is doing who in DTF,the CofC, the FPD, the Fire Dept, the Rotary, the Elks, the FCJC ,and the CSUF. Hope I didn’t miss too many, but if I did please post your dissatisfaction and complaints on this blog.
But then again, they may have one or two operatives working selected areas at the present time.
True. Anyone can dig up dirt anywhere if they really want to. But the problem is their has to be a big audience that cares. I mean do you really think dirt on DTF or anything in Fullerton is of any interest to anyone outside of Fullerton? Maybe a select few? No money in it.
“… I know that some of you think that it’s just a “few bad apples” spoiling it for the rest but that’s simply not the case. Any “good cop” that speaks up about abuse, or having to otherwise enforce unconstitutional laws is driven off the force, beat in to compliance or meets with a “training accident.” Good cops have no way to remain cops. So, at any given moment, there are very few actual good cops on the street because they simply don’t last long. They are outnumbered and the status quo won’t tolerate their presence. So, in any encounter with police it’s always safe to assume you’re dealing with a bad cop no matter how congenial or helpful he appears to be. He’ll turn on you in a second if he wants and you’ll pay the price.” http://networkedblogs.com/pqsL1
and you know this how? Show me proof. 🙂
its my personal opinion I have a right to it as an A merican
I figured that. Yes, personal opinions are very valuable to each of us.
Happens everyday. We all know it. Common knowledge.
There are other city police departments that we hear nothing of this kind of BS going on. McKinley’s mindset, his rewriting of departmental policies, hiring of many of these bad cops, looking the other way that fueled these bad apples fires and puppet strings of Sellers is what made Fullerton the mess they are. The ‘good cops’ in Fullerton couldn’t fight city hall, they just tried to do their job in what they believed to be the right way.
Ackerman got a bit camera shy tonight at the anti-recall fund raiser.
Some older-middle aged dude in a pin-striped shirt was pointing at me and laughing through the window of that British Market where I was pretending to shop while getting some video of the Festivitee of Fools. I thought he was just a drunkin fool but I think my camera caught his attention. I proceeded outside a few minutes later, shooting McKinley’s shiny dome and others when this same idiot that was laughing at me earlier put his hand up to block my camera lens and told me I can’t do that here (with a shit-eatin’ grin on his face). Someone told me that idiot was Ackerman. Then someone else came up and did the same thing who was apparently the restaurant owner. I remained video taping.
These ASSCLOWS are just like the Fullerton PD Pussies; they can’t handle being on camera.
LOL
Blog, would have a different tone if the Head Lines read. “FPD beat the crap out a gang member selling drugs to kids”. Instead of beat to death a sick homeless man. Is FPD lazy and going for the easy stuff? FPD needs to address the gang problem.
That’s true prior to this incident. Now it would be treated the same. Problem is now there is zero pro active enforcement going on and fullerton’s crime rate is going to go sky high.
Sky high!!! Do you have proof of this?
“going to go”. In progress. I’ll have proof when September 1, 2011 until September 1, 2012 is compared.
So the police RIF’s going on in other cities. Maybe, we here in Fullerton will be able to pick up some good ones. That have some ethics, and know who the real bad guys are….
Look around Fullerton right now. More shootings and killings by cops than anywhere in So Cal lately. It’s getting pretty wild. They killed a Fullerton gangster the other night too. The future does not look good for Fullerton, or So Cal in general in terms of crime.
WOW! heard nothing on that news, or are you talkin about the Huntington Beach Police, they shot 2 gangstesrs. So Cal is a nasty place now. Gangs are moving up to Orange County.
Really? Is FPD going o hire more felons?
It’s possible. Long term fullerton will only get cops that can’t get hired elsewhere. So yes, the product in the long term doesn’t have great potential.
Like the one-eyed Cicinelli? Man you really are dumb.
Why a former “Good” cop? Good employees are always needed. Good always out weighs the bad.
How did the city council meeting go?
Awesome.
You can bet “Vincente Fox” AKA Paul Dunlap was licking his chops. The man notorious for making young female employees cry, has been a Akerman ball licker forever.
Oh. Ok.
“Whiting firmly attached his eagerly quivering lips to Doc HeeHaw’s withered undercarriage?”
Damn, that’s beautiful. So retchingly apt.
Exactly thats your opinion..deal with it.
Yep
Hey Reality Is: I’m not sure how serious you are because you flip so often into sarcasm, but in general I think you are ok.
That said, I was there tonight (wait for the news tomorrow lol) and if you think that the recall isn’t gonna happen you are probably wrong. I am, however. a bit concerned as to who will replace them. But we will burn that bridge when we cross it. 😉
There are better people here that could do a better job for a LOT less $ than the jack-holes we have now padding their depends.
I try to add a little humor to everything. Honesty too.
I never said the recall would fail. I said it would be a tough fight for the many reasons I mentioned. Anything is possible. I also just said all 5 would be easier than 3. Replacements will be very hard. They will be short timers and politivians will be right behind them to replace the outgoing select in there now.
I think you are a douchebag. I have seen your comments from the beginning, and there was never any doubt IMHO. Even when you begin to sound reasonablly intelligent, you still come off as an ass. I also have no doubt that you are a cop. Probably the worst kind. Probably Goodbitch.
Copy.
Agreed, hence my concern. But for now I have chosen sides and will stick with what I believe. Will you be there to help when all is said and done, or will you just type? That is kinda where I am at at this point. I always hope for the best but expect the worst if you know what I mean. We shall see I guess…
“If the Register can’t do its job a journalistic endeavor, I say it’s time to pull the plug. Who will join me in a boycott?”
You’re damn right! I say, boycott the entire mainstream media! It’s all worthless garbage!!
then where am i gonna get the 411 on the kardashian slut, and the lohan tweeker and who beiber knocked up?
May I suggest you move to Hollywood!
sarcasm much?
and where would i get my fashion tips and learn how to use coupons!!!!!!!!!!
JT, I will show you why you need to defend yourself against a soda can anytime. A soda can is a deadly weapon. It has and will kill someone instantly. I will show you anytime how that works.
I wasn’t at the hose nozzle incident but that was a good shooting as much as you want to believe it wasn’t. Yes, drop the nozzle is great but he still gets shot. He turns and then everyone fires. Simple. When all the calls say he has a gun and acting erratically pointing it around, drunk. or on drugs. It’s treated as such. It appears as such. It’s handled as such. More people are shot for fake guns, bb guns, plastic toy guns, and other things that look like guns that probably guns themselves. That’s why they are trying to make laws against people making look a like toy guns. I watched a guy die with a plastic gun one time after he just robbed a gas station. Clerk shot him and he ran. Died running away with money flowing out of his pockets and took his last breath with money laying all around him. Plastic gun.
I wouldn’t.
I’ll take you to the shoot house and show you how this happens. It happens often. It sounds like it’s wrong. It’s not. Shootings in the back happen often and aren’t intended that way. When you decide to fire at that gun with a gun pointed at you or held at his side and he’s lifting it, just because he decides to turn to run as you pull the trigger or falls and turns, doesn’t mean you stop firing. You shoot to kill. Once that choice is made by the bad guy to point that gun or hold that gun or lift that gun, he made the choice. His life is over. Sucks but that’s reality. Shoot houses are the best tools to show this. Actual shooting. it’s wild. Shoot don’t shoot scenarios are good too to show how a good guy is all the sudden the bad guy or vice versa.
I watched a video once from a dash cam. I need to find it. You watch it and you say wow they just executed a guy running from the police. Bad shooting. Terrible. Charge the cops. then you look at the other dash cam and see what actually happened and the guy was holding the gun and lifting the gun to fire. Just shows the value of not judging without all the evidence. Or the San Francisco shooting where they killed him. Unarmed. $2 bus fare. Oops. Parolee murder and the gun was picked up by another parolee after the shooting.
It’s not always as it appears. Sometimes, but not always.
Let’s say you and Hey Dumbass are partially right. I’lll concede that some use of deadly force by police officers may sometimes be warranted out of self-defense or defense of someone else; that the guilt or innocence of a police officer may not be immediately obvious; that everyone including police are innocent until proven guilty; and that it is true that accidents happen.
Still there is a big problem. We all agree there are bad cops and unjustified shootings. The problem is that we have no objective and unbiased investigation.
Internal Affairs are just a unit of a police department. They are generally perceived as seeking to protect officers, particularly from serious charges. They can also be used to reward or punish individual officers, for instance, whistleblowers.
DA offiices are systematically biased against prosecuting officers because they are elected, rely on police union support, and depend on police officers to make their cases.
So the problem is that there is no objective and unbiased investigative agency to look at these incidents. The public increasingly doesn’t trust the justice system because of this. The bias will increasingly be against police officers involved in these cases. Suspicions of the integrity of the investigative bodies who are supposed to look at deadly force incidents make the public more suspicious of each of these incidents.
Besides all of this, it is possible that police policies should be changed. If there is a pattern of deadly force incidents against unarmed suspects for example, new policies and procedures should be designed to cut down on these incidents. For example, in the Long Beach incident, slowly back away from the seemingly armed suspect; radio for backup, once it arrives issue a “put the weapon down” warning from a distance through a bullhorn, etc. There’s already a sniper there at a safe distance.
I’m not a cop and I can’t tell the police how to do their job but as a member of the public I can express my opinion that the number of deadly force incidents we are seeing is unacceptable from a public safety standpoint. We should not be at risk sitting in our friends’ backyards getting drunk. And that doesn’t even get into the police abuse cases in Fullerton that didn’t involve deadly force but also didnt’t involve any threats towards officers. And these are incidents where the cops seem to be having fun abusing the public. That doesn’t exactly help your cause.
I wasn’t there, I can’t give you an answer, which is exactly my point. I can tell you what I THINK the Officer thought before each incident. The problem is you will all say I’m making excuses. I’ll let you know anyway.
1. Never heard of this soda can incident. I don’t know the circumstances behind the call. I don’t know what time of day it was. Anything shiny in someone’s hand can easily be mistaken for a weapon whether it is a knife or gun.
2.Garden hose incident. That was at night. The guy was drunk. I assume you know that many of them have a “trigger” and you hold them like you would a gun. At night that can easily be mistaken for a gun. As for not yelling for him to put down the weapon. I’m not sure they didn’t. Remember, he was drunk. Did he listen to their commands? If he pointed what they thought was gun at them no warning is needed.
3. K. Thomas. Not every fact has been released yet. Even what the DA said during his “show” was not the WHOLE truth about the events that night, including comments made by Ramos.
4. Not sure what specific incident you are referring to.
My point is it’s easy to criticize a split second decision when you have time to look at the whole incident. Cops don’t have that luxury when things unfold in seconds. Yes, mistakes get made and sometimes people get hurt or killed. More often than not the right decisions are made and the public doesn’t hear about those incidents. I’ve seen the Police logs posted on this site. Do you see how many and the kind of calls they respond to in just a day?
I can tell you why I am bothered by people on this site. It is because they assume that in these incidents that you speak of you think the Police intentionally tried to hurt someone. That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
I’m not trying to make any excuses for all cops. I will agree there are some bad ones. Definitely not as many as all of you would like to think. But there are bad people in EVERY profession. If wrong decisions were made than things need to be done, but from the point of view from you and many people on this site you have the idea that there are no “good ones” because if they haven’t come forward than they are just as bad as the “bad ones”. The fact is they don’t say anything because if they weren’t there, than they really don’t know what happened. They don’t say anything not because they want to protect anyone, but because they understand the job.
It would be easier to give cops the benefit of the doubt if, for example, FPD didn’t circle the wagons and either remain silent or launch a disinformation campaign even though it’s pretty fucking obvious that something went wrong. You want the benefit of the doubt, then show up you deserve it by not denying the undeniable. I mean give me a break, how much better documented could this whole thing have been yet it was, as usual, first treated with silence, then when that didn’t work it was followed by lardass Goodhole spinning yarns about Big Kelly the bone breaker. Fuck you. I mean him, I mean them. Not you, Not like that. Well maybe, I don’t know.
Foot dragging, circle the wagons, habitual deniers is what they are. These cunts don’t get the benefit of the doubt because they have proven time and again that they don’t deserve it.
Transparency? What a concept! But then how to the cops hide all the dirty shit that they do? How will they cover it up when they screw up? Its soo hard to be an honest cop!!!
It’s very very easy. 🙂
“you think the Police intentionally tried to hurt someone. That couldn’t be farther from the truth.”
That is either the most disingenuous or the dumbest thing I’ve read yet by the pro-killer kop krowd.
Ramos instigates a confrontation. Wolfe attacks with a baton, they both pile their bloated meat wagons on top of the guy, then Cicinelli shows up for the tase-a-thon and head-pinata bashing. Hampton, Blatney and Klein arrive just in time to hold the guy down although Kelly ain’t moving anymore.
Aw, such nice boys. Wouldn’t hurt a fly.
“I will agree there are some bad ones. Definitely not as many as all of you would like to think.”
Rather than speak in meaningless generalities why don’t you address:
Major the credit card fraud
Mejia the computer pick-pocket
The do-dos who broke into the wrong house
Goodrich the serial liar
Hampton, thug and perjurer
Nguyen – another perjurer
Rincon the sex pervert
Thayer the goon
Mater the suicide coach
Tong the goon
etc., etc,
You are so full of shit..you know nothing. Dont try to act like you do. whoever told you that is full of it also. Stop making lies up.
You’re so sure of what you are saying that you post as anonymous. Speaks volumes about you….
I don’t care if you believe me or not……..
When I see a Fullerton PD cop testify against officer Cicinelli and Officer Ramos at their trials, then I will once again respect Fullerton PD. The code of silence and self serving attitudes make it difficult to remain a supporter.
Watch out for officer with his trained hound stopping you then requesting a search of your vehicle, knowing full well you’ll most likely say no to a search without a warrant,
the cop will then politely ask if you would mind if the dog sniffed as they leave-
you of course will say “why shooore” –
the cop will let the dog sniff then the cop will make up something,
like, “the dog is giving signs it smelled something”
which will give them the legal cause for them to search you.
So beware the mangy polecats trying to trick you
Hear, hear!!
Anti-Recall Group Hosts Event In Fullerton To Raise Money, Show Support For Mayor, Two Councilmen Being Recalled
Next, the three men thanked the group and then each shared remarks. Jones spoke only briefly and ended with a biblical reference: “Know the truth and it will set you free.”
Bankhead said he wanted to clarify an allegation that he is only on the council to increase his retirement, calling the claim false. He said he knew he’d been accused of two other things, too, but said they were so ridiculous that he couldn’t even remember what they were. Finally, he took aim at Councilman Bruce Whitaker’s claims that the city tried to cover-up Thomas’ killing. “It’s time to show the proof,” Bankhead said.
McKinley, the city’s longtime police chief, spoke last, and said after years in law enforcement he’s used to public criticism. He can handle it, he said, adding that what frustrated him most was hearing people “who probably never graduated high school” bad-mouth the mayor, who used to be a doctor. McKinley’s comment drew an audible “boo” from a crew of about 10 people, mainly members of Kelly’s Army, who were standing in a nearby hallway outside the cordoned-off event listening to the speakers. McKinley ended by saying, “We’re gonna win this thing, and if we don’t, we’re gonna fight like hell.”
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/11/anti-recall_group_hosts_event.php
Officer guilty of violations in Wash. mentally-ill man’s death
Case seems similar to that of Fullerton’s Kelly Thomas.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/zehm-325252-officer-thompson.html
posting as seersome says volumes about you..why not reveal yourself. So you know nothing………………..
Yesterday’s news. We’re on to the Texas Judge beating now. You couldn’t get the national media to cover this if you discovered that KT was the second coming of Christ
Obviously not, or else you wouldn’t bother commenting on here.
Not even close.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/11/anti-recall_group_hosts_event.php
“McKinley, the city’s longtime police chief, spoke last, and said […] that what frustrated him most was hearing people ‘who probably never graduated high school’ bad-mouth the mayor, who used to be a doctor.”
I just want McKinley to know that it is correct to say that one has graduated FROM high school. Well, I want him to know a lot of other things, too, but he’d never be introspective enough to reflect on anyone’s criticism of his horrible conduct.
MOXLEY IS GOD
Ditto than Gustavo, and you are his Guardian Saint! OC Weekly rocks the house!!
My jaw hit the floor when he said that last night. Every time he opens his mouth he makes himself look worse.
Yes, and he had every opportunity to apologize or set the record straight at the city council meeting. He chose instead to pitifully defend himself and show us, one more time, what a sexist, elitist pig he is.
Exactly! He just defended himself on the particular wording he used to let everyone know he was right, and then never addressed the most inflammatory remarks he made about “inappropriate touching” not being a “sexual” or “dangerous thing.”
Say, what difference does a sheepskin do for you if you are just a mean polecat on the inside and live your life like a sneaky wild animal? Jesus Christ didnt have a high school diploma did he?
Y’all shore do injoy a’talkin’ lak uh hikk. Pert’near make yuh seem illegituhmut … illshituhmut … illliteruht. fukkit. Reckon ah cun git me one them thar tin badges un talk lak a redneck tew?
^Good point, considering how much the 3 dilapidated ones mentioned the religious aspect. Well played.
Well written piece by Scott in OC Weekly. And good discussion on Inside OC with Rick Reiff, Chris Thompson and the two writers for the Liberal and Conservative blogs. The way we get truthful information has changed. And it’s a good thing. The OC Register needs to change, that’s for sure, but I wouldn’t support a boycott. I still think there is merit in a lot of the articles and columns that are in that paper. But, good God, what has happened to good old fashioned investigative reporting in the mainstream media?
David Whiting is a Disgrace to journalists and Orange County. Mr. Whiting is well known for kiss up and kick down.
He will do whateve it takes a long as you pay him well. Fullerton cops and its powerful union in Orange County are his best friend. Do not mess with a powerful man.
I watched the PBS special on Blogging with interest, as I believe the medium to be the future.
As a 45 year Democrat, I wondered if the show was rigged. Is this guy, the blogger the best we can do. Jesus, were in trouble! He couldn’t sring two sentences together.
Where is Harry Truman?
DD,,,,,the fact you still align yourself with an aging pathetic parties like dem or repub, speaks volumes. Dear gawd person get away from the two party system.
Maybe spell check …when attacking someone for their errors….hello – who cant spell” string”. Just giving ya a taste of your medicine.
Truman is dead.