New Witness: Police Confiscated Bystander’s Camera After Kelly Thomas Beating
During Saturday’s protest we met a new witness to the Kelly Thomas police beating. Here is Edward, a CSUF grad and regular bus rider who told us he watched the entire event unfold from the bus platform…
Edward says he saw one bystander taking pictures with a cell phone camera who was then accused of “interfering” with an investigation. She was grabbed by a police officer who forcefully took her cell phone away. He believes that the woman was then taken into custody.
It is illegal for police to confiscate a bystander’s camera without a court order, unless the camera was used in the commission of a crime (hence the trumped up “you’re interfering with my investigation” charge.) Whether or not this person was actually booked, she would have most certainly been intimidated into giving up her property.
The DA hasn’t acknowledged receipt of any recordings other than the one from the city’s surveillance camera. So where did that cell phone go? And what about that other recording from the local real estate agent who was approached by police after the beating?
Anyone who was threatened by the police on the night of Kelly Thomas’ beating is invited to call or email this blog, anonymously if necessary. If you know somebody who was there, you are also invited to share any information that you have with us.
ANYTHING, AND I MEAN ANYTHING TAKEN INTO EVIDENCE HAS TO BE INVENTORIED WITHIN THE POLICE REPORTS. IT SHOULD BE INVENTORIED BY THE OFFICER MAKING THE ILLEGAL SEIZURE OF PROPERTY. ALL CONTENT ON THAT PHONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SECURED AND ARCHIVED!
fedupwithmorons-absolutely right! These people need to inquire on the whereabouts of their property with FPD. If there are no records (the confiscating officers should have taken their info at the scene) they need to IMMEDIATELY file a theft report listing an FPD officer as the suspect and contact the FBI and DA IMMEDIATELY.
Amen to that! Start law suits against the department for civil rights violations. It isn’t about getting money from deep pockets, it’s about the principle of the whole entire matter!
Here’s another taser story … Bad cop..no donut!
Student Everette Howard fatally tasered by campus police at University of Cincinnati
August 08, 2011
Everette Howard
(Credit: Personal Photo)
(CBS/WKRC/AP) CINCINNATI – Everette Howard, an 18-year-old southwest Ohio student, was finishing up his last summer class at University of Cincinnati’s Upward Bound program when he died after a campus police officer used a taser on him early Sunday morning.
Pictures: Everette Howard
The incident took place outside of Turner Hall which is one of the college’s dorms. Officers arrived at the dorm around 3 a.m. Police say Howard was agitated and charged the officer, reports CBS affiliate WKRC.
“One of the officers was confronted by an individual who appeared agitated and upset, charged at the officers, as the officer described it with his fist-balled and apparently angry.” University Police Assistant Chief Jeff Corcoran said. “The officer told him to stop. He repeated the order to stop and then told him if he didn’t stop he was going to deploy a taser, the subject didn’t stop and the officer deployed the taser which was successful.”
But Ricky Pleasant, who witnessed the entire altercation, says Howard was following the officer’s instructions.
“He [Howard] was calm and we were walking. He was about five feet in front of me.” Then Pleasant says an officer told them to stop, put their hands up and get on the ground. “You can’t just go straight down, you have to kneel down to get down, so Everette did that and as soon as he was getting ready to kneel down, he tased him.”
Pleasant says he felt Howard’s weak pulse and the officer called paramedics.
Howard’s mom says years ago doctors told her Everette had a slight heart murmur. Hamilton County Coroner Amant Bhati told the Cincinnati Enquirer that Howard also had been shocked with a stun gun and then rushed to a hospital last year. However, Bhati didn’t share other details about that incident.
Campus police have now put the officer who deployed the taser on paid administrative leave. They have also pulled tasers from service until further notice.
This spring, Howard graduated with the top ten percent of his class at North College Hill High School. He planned to wrestle at the University of Cumberland.
Student fatally tasered by campus police at University of Cincinnati
I don’t believe the Thomas family should profit from the death of their son. Instead of taking care of him and insuring that he took his medication, they let him go live on the street. The police are not babysitters for mentally ill people. Neither am I nor any of the citizens of Fullerton. It is not easy caring for a mentally ill family member. But it’s a cop out to say they couldn’t control him. Stated another way, if Kelly’s condition was so bad that his family couldn’t control him, does it make sense to expect that he will be better off wandering the streets? Bad things happen to prople who live on the street. Should they be beaten to death by the police? Of course not! But what good did the Thomas Family think was going to come of letting Kelly live on the street? People make bad decisions about their lives and the lives of their family every day. As a taxpayer I am sick of these folks pulling the ‘Lucky Lotto’ lever on the government ATM and making a fortune from their bad decisions. I take care of and remain responsible for my kids until they can live on their own. All I ask is that everyone else do the same. It is regrettable that Kelly’s condition made it so that he would never be able to live on his own. But that doesnt’t make me financially responsible.
Anybody who cares about the money in this case is just a heartless swine. This is about our common humanity, and our right to safety FROM the police sworn to protect and serve us.
We should vote to get Ron Thomas for City manager. He would protect the city from the real vermon. Ron would be worth every penny. Ron doesn’t impress the idea of making the city suffer. Ron Is the wiser now. Wisdom is past suffering in hiding.
Obviously you’ve never dealt with the severely mentally ill. His parents could not “control” nor “babysit” him. Maybe they should have chained him up or locked him in the basement like they did in “the olden days”. Do you like that solution? Like the saying goes, “you can lead a horse to water…”.
Murderers do not turn in evidence especially the FPD6 was the one who took the phone/camera . And of course as evil as the devil, they will try to cover up their tracks and make up stories.. Reality will show otherwise because GOD is watching everyone. JUSTICE will still prevail.
Gonzo is a poseur. He is playing an attorney in here. No self respecting lawyer would spend days on end on these boards, bilking his clients out of money. If some how, some way Gonz proves to be legitimate, I will personally file a complaint with the State Bar! Assclown from a fourth rate law school! Go flip some burgers at Waffle Hut assclown!
“Has to be”? BS. The koppz can do whatever they want, deny it, and even if the citizen “wins” a complaint proceeding or lawsuit, the record has been “disappeared” and if there is damages to be paid the taxpayers will pay the citizen off. The koppz don’t care. At worst the kopp will simply transfer to some other department or bureau. They CYA (Cover Your A**) and PTO (Protect Their Own).
Though in principle we want to protect our right to observe and record “our” public “servants” on duty, it is more important at any given incident to get and protect the record.
Remember that AUDIO recording is a “gray” area. VIDEO, however, is not, as long as the incident takes place in public (where bystanders can see it).
If you can afford to buy and run one, the cameraphones that stream directly to a remote computer are as kopp-proof as things get.
Confiscating the cameraphone, even stomping it, doesn’t get rid of the record, which includes a record of the kleptokopp’s theft or even vandalizing of the phone.
The audio can be erased later if the video is to be introduced into legal proceedings. AFTER the transcript sworn affidavit is executed, that is.
ACCORDING TO THE WITNESS EDWARD, ANOTHER CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION OCCURRED AT THE HANDS OF FPD. IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO FILM COPS IN A PUBLIC PLACE. IT IS A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. SO, THESE SLUGS SIEZED A WOMAN’S CAMER/PHONE, AND THEN ARRESTED HER FOR 146 PC? I HOPE SHE LAWYERS UP AND SUES THE PANTS OFF OF FPD!
I’d like to hope that no person is so intimidated the law enforcement that they would just let this slide. These people must come forward. I too would lawyer-up right away with a media hungry, prominent attorney. I’d be on every news channel, every day telling my story. I hope this woman comes forward.
Where is Gloria Allred when we need her?
Oh please no, she is not needed.
If she was here we’d have that video and tons of publicity.
If Kenny Thomas was a transgender prostitute with links to celebs like David Duchovny or Eric Roberts she would be involved.
Don’t worry, she be heard from eventually.
Gloria is off pandering on tv for a Tiger Woods victim! Blah!
Probably PC 148(a)(1) Resisting, Obstructing or Delaying an Officer, not PC 146 Impersonating an Officer.
I don’t think most people realize just how often officers abuse their power by taking people into custody on bogus “resisting” charges.
To be arrested / charged with PC 148 Resisting, the police do not need to show that a suspect fought police or physically obstructed them in any way, they only need to show 2 things: 1) the officer was trying to do his/her job, and 2) the suspect caused some delay or made the officer’s job more difficult than necessary.
If you waste a cop’s time (in the officer’s opinion) or do anything to delay a cop in the lawful performance of his/her duties, expect an all-expenses paid vacation in the Fullerton City Jail.
This is usually used as a tactic to f*ck with anyone who gives cops some lip or does anything to piss them off. More often than not, the DA declines to file charges and the case dies its own death. The suspect does not have a civil rights claim against the police because the officer can always fabricate some bullshit story to explain why the suspect delayed him/her from executing their duties.
People should be aware of this.
Ooops wrong PC section. Fingers type before brain engaged!
Funny thing though, more and more of those bogus 148 PC charges are being dismissed. Judges realize if that is the only crime a person has been charged with, the charge is not true!
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Open your eyes and use your brain. Obama is not destroying the middle class. 100% it is the Republicans and their support of greedy millionaires and corporations that is eliminating the middle class. Many of these greedy individuals and corporations payed $0 in taxes last year. What a joke. Edison payed 0. Exxon payed 0 taxes. Both made millions if not billions last year. They need to be taxed and teabaggers and Republicans who signed contracts saying they won’t increase taxes are MORONS. What if our country gets attacked and we need more tax revenue? Dumbass Republicans willl still oppose new taxes even on those who pay none. Corporations are what is destroying the middle class. Many corporations with the greatest number of employees pay minimum wage or slightly above which is not enough to live off of. They also try not to employ people full time because they don’t want to provide benefits. I worked for Disney (ABC, ESPN) for the last 10 years. I averaged 28-29 hours a week. It takes 30 hours a week to qualify for full time benefits. Wall Mart is the largest employer in the country and there are thousands of full time Wall Mart employees that qualify for welfare still. Corporations suchas Wall Mart put many mom and pop businesses out of business which leaves the former entrepreneurs with a necessity to find employment elsewhere. Usually making less than they did as business owners. Look at the grocery strike which is about to happen its a perfect example of corporations trying to eliminate the middle class. They want to break the grocery workers union because they don’t want to pay employees the good wages they have made for decades. Just because you can find someone to do the job for cheaper, doesn’t mean you should. Corporations are motivated by Profit first and foremost. Corporations don’t give a crap about helping society. Stop spewing misinformation and pull your head out of your ass before posting your stupid comments. It was Bush and the Republicans who brought our country into this horrible economic situation we are in. Clinton handed Bush a surplus which he consumed and added more debt to this country than any previous President. Bush also deregulated the banking industry which caused the housing crisis we are in. The housing market is connected to every industry. By destroying the housing market, the entire economy of this country has been harmed. Republicans are so racist and blindly religious and stupid they have the nerve to blame Obama. Bush will go down as the worst president in the history of the US. The war in IRAQ was started for no good reason. Bush is a complete moron. and Republicans seem to have nothing but morons and cult followers in their party. By cult followers, I mean right wing Christians. If Christians are correct in their blind faith, then all of the following groups will burn in hell: jews, buddhists, muslims, hindu, athiests, agnostics, ceeks, satanists, and all other tribal forms of religion. Keep your religion out of schools and politics. I could go on and give you examples of the fiction included in the bible, but I will save it for later. By the way, I was baptized Luthern and went through conformation as an Episcopal. Then I thought rationally and decided church is wrong and an argument can made to say churches are evil and cause more bloodshed than any other group.
I used to consider myself Republican in the Reagan and Bush Sr. years. Republicans used to be intelligent. What happened? the Christian right happened. Anyone who believes a man (Noah) can build a boat large enough to carry 2 of each animal is a MORON. Noah had no machines to help him. And how did he get 2 lions, 2 giraffes, 2 cheetahs, etc on the boat. Its impossible. If he did get them on the boat, why didn’t the lions eat the other animals? Its time for people that can think rationally to speak up. The stupid ass religious right loves to preach their nonsense to others. Its time for rational thinkers to preach intelligence to others. Stop bitching about paying for an abortion which costs $300-400. You should worry more about paying for hospital bills of uninsured people suchas myself. If I ever need to go to a hospital, I have no insurance and the government is gonna pick up the tab either way.
Corporations are not a Republican Party invention. They long preceded the founding of the Republican Party March 20, 1854, when members of the former Whig Party met to organize a new party in opposition to the extension of Black slavery into the territories and into states where it was not already established. The Free-Soil Party merged into the Republican Party.
The Republican Party pushed through the Anti-Slavery Amendment over Democrat opposition. The Republican Party got the Black Citizenship amendment passed and ratified, which has been perverted since to treat corporations as persons/citizens. The Republican Party sponsored the Black Vote amendment, though it took another nearly 100 years of opposition by the Democrats to secure the vote to Black men (by then it applied to Black women as well through the Woman Suffrage amendment).
It is evident that Chip E. uses these economic issues to attack the Bible, a subject he knows only a smattering of.
Noah had 120 years to build the ark. Long before the time of the finishing work he had three grown sons to help with the work. And who says he did not hire other people to help, even if they did not believe in why he was building it? People don’t have to believe in what they are doing for shekels, or even know what their work is for. The “builder” of anything may not himself do any of the physical labor involved. Kings are called “builders” of cities, palaces, temples, great works.
The Bible doesn’t say that Noah brought the animals to the ark. Gen. 6:19-22. It doesn’t say that Noah forced them to enter the ark.
The average size of an animal on the earth is smaller than a cat.
Who says that all animals brought into the ark were ADULTS? A Brontosaurus (now called Apatosaurus), the largest land animal ever discovered, newly hatched was from an egg no more than a foot long, roughly the size of an elephant bird (extincted 17th century) egg. A newborn elephant, the largest land mammal, is much larger, about 260-270 pounds, the size of a BIG man. The newborn mammoth and mastodon appear to have been no larger.
Water animals did not need to be loaded aboard the ark. Only land (including flying) animals needed a place aboard.
Besides, the entire ark-flood story is presented as miraculous in much part. The things Chip E. calls “impossible” could have been accomplished miraculously just as the collection of breeding pairs (3 pairs + 1 of “clean” animals) of all land animals from all over the world had to be miraculous.
Only one pair of “uncleans” such as canines, felines, etc. had to be brought. For example, all varieties of canines from timber wolves to hyenas to Mexican hairless are of a single genetic “kind,” hard as it is to imagine. Pairs of each variety of animals that we know today did not have to be brought and loaded aboard.
I think I missed your point “fedupwithmorons”?! that the FPD might be doing something illegal? what the hell is new?
Of course they arent’ going to inventory a confiscated camera that makes them look bad. Duh.
You didn’t miss my point, you got the jist of the matter!
Mark Turgeon had said something about this in his interview, and a buss passenger said something about this in the OCTA video. This is the third eye-witness describing this. Yet the police chief says they have nothing to hide.
AND …they will get away with it just like a certain District Attorney investigator is getting away with altering the security video.
AND …the FBI hasnt confiscated anything. All of the “evidence” is still with Fullerton PD and the DA.
The FBI only plans to “investigate” after the DA makes their findings public. Their position is that there is no evidence of wrongdoings or cover ups involving the DA’s office or fullerton pd.
That aint like the Feds I know- they LOVE to come in like the 1,000 pound gorilla and show these small time small town shitheads who is really in charge. They have absolute contempt for any local law enforcement.
THE FEDS WILL HUAL THERE ASSES TO JAIL IF THEY GET ONE WIFF OF CORRUPTION.
GET YOUR FAQS STRATE “ANONYMOUS”. THE FBI DONT PLAY ARROUND.
Is Ricer’s comment supposed to be sarcastic? The ALL CAPS makes me think he’s serious, but the spelling / usage errors make me think he’s joking. Clarification please.
FBI IS CORRUPT!
Oh, big deal. All human institutions are corrupt because humans are corrupt. That doesn’t mean that everything the FBI does is terminally corrupt.
corrupt cop prosecution
Seventeen city police officers have already turned in their badges and are now facing criminal charges
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110224102136AA8YypQ
D.A. sees no signs of ‘intentional killing’ by Fullerton police
Prosecutors are still probing whether officers used excessive force against a schizophrenic homeless man. The man’s father says he suffered brain injuries from blunt force trauma and lack of oxygen.
Brian Blackman arranges candles at the memorial for Kelly Thomas, 37, a homeless schizophrenic man who was killed during an altercation with Fullerton police on July 5 at a bus depot off South Pomona Avenue. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times / August 3, 2011)
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By Richard Winton and Abby Sewell, Los Angeles Times
August 9, 2011
Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas on Monday said that he’s seen no evidence so far suggesting Fullerton police officers intentionally tried to kill homeless man Kelly Thomas, but that his office is still trying to determine whether the officers used excessive force in his death.
Rackauckas, speaking about it publicly for the first time, said the investigation is in its early stages and his office has yet to get a cause-of-death determination from the Orange County coroner’s office.
“As far as intentional killing … I have not seen any evidence of that in this case,” Rackauckas said.
Thomas, 37, died several days after he was confronted by six Fullerton officers at the local bus depot last month. As they tried to search the schizophrenic homeless man, a violent altercation ensued that left him in a coma. Witnesses have described officers repeatedly striking him and shocking him with a stun gun.
Rackauckas’ comments come as Thomas’ father revealed new details about his son’s injuries. Ron Thomas said MRI and X-ray results from the hospital that treated his son show he had two forms of severe brain injury: one caused by a lack of oxygen and the other by blunt force trauma. Bones in his face had also been broken, said the father, who previously released a photo of Thomas’ bloody, swollen, barely recognizable face.
Ron Thomas has labeled his son’s death a murder and said he wants the six officers involved to go to prison.
The D.A. said he did not want to speculate on possible criminal charges — whether they be manslaughter or excessive force — until “all the evidence is in.”
Rackauckas said he has made the investigation a priority for his prosecutors and investigators, and is devoting extensive resources to the case. “I am reviewing everything that is being done,” he said.
The top prosecutor said he had seen a security video of the incident. Prosecutors and police have refused to make the video public, and Rackauckas said he cannot discuss its content.
“It is a tragedy this happened,” he said when asked to characterize the video’s images. “My heart goes out to Mr. Thomas and [his] family members.”
He said his office is expediting the case by assigning extra investigators, but that it takes time to transcribe dozens of interviews and gather relevant documents.
The incident, which prompted large protests at the bus depot in the usually conservative community, is also under investigation by the FBI.
Two Fullerton council members have called for the police chief to resign, and rallies have drawn hundreds of protesters.
Six officers have been placed on leave.
The Police Department has released few details about what happened that night, other than to say that Thomas was stopped by officers investigating a report of an attempted car burglary and became combative.
On Monday, Fullerton’s city manager proposed bringing the head of the Los Angeles County sheriff’s watchdog body to examine the July 5 incident and related policies and procedures, according to sources.
Michael Gennaco, head of L.A. County’s Office of Independent Review, has been brought in before to examine the Orange County jails after the death of an inmate.
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While this seems to be true of the Pheddz, they do not have sufficient agents or funding to bulldoze their way into every local police matter in the country. They tend to take over cases their superiors think will make the FBI look good.
This according to a friend who is a former FBI contract “shooter” who maintains his contacts with his former FBI buds.
THE CITY OF FULLERTON IS LOOKING TO HIRE MICHAEL GENNACO OF LASD’S OFFICE OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW. I KNOW MY GENNACO, GENERALLY HE IS FORTHRIGHT ABOUT CASES, HOWEVER, HE WILL, WITHOUT SAYING SO, SIDE WITH WHO GIVES HIM HIS PAYCHECK. OIR DOES A FAIRLY GOOD JOB OF MONITORING MISCONDUCT BY SHERIFF’S DEPT. PERSONNEL, BUT NOT ENOUGH OF THESE CASES GET PROSECUTED, HENCE PROBLEM WITH LA DA’S OFFICE.
I AM SKEPTICAL OF GENNACO’S ABILITY TO MAKE THE PD ETC., DO THE RIGHT THING IN THIS CASE.
SECONDLY, WHY WOULD THEY HIRE AN LASD OVERSIGHT PERSON WHEN THEY HAVE STEPHEN CONNOLLY WHO RUNS OC OFFICE OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW? CONNOLLY CAME FROM LASD’S OIR. SMELL A RAT YET?
THE ONLY WAY KELLY IS GOING TO GET JUSTICE IS FOR THE PUBLIC TOSTAY RED HOT ON THIS CASE. DO NOT DEPEND ON OVERSIGHT ENTITIES TO GET JUSTICE FOR KELLY. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
Good point. The problem with FPD seems to be too much LAPD influence. I’m not sure hiring another LAPD guy is going to help much.
In fact, it stinks.
JOHNNY YOU ARE ON POINT. THERE IS ALSO TOO MUCH CARRYOVER INFLUENCE FROM CORRUPT LASD WITHIN OC LAW ENFORCEMENT.
That’s why we the people need to have our own independent forensic experts standing by to examine evidence for manipulation by the popos!
How does this relate to the initial reports that a MAN’s cell phone was taken by the police. This is all a big cluster-fuck of rumor, innuendo and hearsay. I hope the truth does come out, eventually, and any cop who acted like a steroid-riddled fuck goes down hard. But that, unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) is going to take time. With that said, Chris Thompson is a pretty good interviewer! But don’t lead your witnesses, Mr. Thompson. Just saying…
I’ll own that. I just so desperately wanted to know exactly what he saw…or remembered.
The cop has no lawful authority to make you delete anything recorded. It’s called 1st Amendment and you people had best be reading your friendly US Constitution. Learn your rights!
Don’t let the dood upstairs intimidate you into recanting what you say! Mr boo is a moron popo plant in here! Say what you mean, mean what you say and don’t back down!
AH STOP BEING A ANAL RETARD….SIDE BAR ISSUES GET DISSCUSSED ALL OF THE TIME…USUALLY SIDE BAR TOPICS ARE RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!
<<<<OOOPS DOES KNOW HOW TO SPELL..SHOULD BE DISCUSSED, NOT THAT OTHER MESS…CAT WAS LAYING ON ARM WHILST TYPING.
Couldn’t the officer just make the woman delete the video while he watched; to insure there was no record? It would be very intimidating to refuse to do so under threat of arrest.
It would take me less than two minutes to recover the deleted video or photos from the cell phone.
THAT WOULD BE A CRIMINAL CHARGE ON OFFICER MAKING SOMEONE DELETE EVIDENCE TO A CRIMINAL MATTER. NO COP CAN LEGALLY MAKE YOU DESTROY VIDEO OR AUDIO OF THEIR WRONGDOING.
More publishing rumors as fact. Disgraceful!
A witness sharing what he saw is disgraceful? You must be a friend of Pat McPension.
you are a strange one.. I guess the whole story is fake and Kelly Thomas was never real
In Papa’s eyes Kelly was dead long ago.
Kirk SR, you’re in way over your fat head, you’re disgraceful the guy was an eye witness!
Who said they are rumors? You?
SIR, YOU ARE A DISGRACE! YOU DARE BEING STUPID IN PUBLIC, WHICH SHOULD BE BY ALL RIGHTS A DEATH PENALTY FELONY! BLAH ON YOU!
Mr Beamyouupkirk, we are within our Constitutional rights to publish what we think, hear and feel! Zeig heil little Adolph!
and you want rumor, hearsay and innuendo? I’ve heard that one-eyed Jack has had a long history of being aggressive with “suspects.” and that every time he’s on patrol and pulls over a woman, he HAS to call for back-up, and that back-up is a female police officer.
This is nothing unusual in regards to him requesting a female officer. When we have a female detained or in custody it is our policy to request a female officer to conduct a search.
This is no different from how the Transportation Security Agency conducts screenings.
If this is really Kenton Hampton, you have mucho huevos for posting on this blog!!!!
Our troops our coming home to roost.
This situation could be Blow Back.
read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)
From around the world and in many countries, young men and women are weened and detached from their families and civil lives, to start thier lives, on average, with good intentions, then they join the marines, then are broken into and learn how to fight, and other advanced training. After serving, some take these skills and apply them in there police work and are called out to do everyones dirty work, after which usually, they retire from a long haul of ugliness that may sink under the skin and alter the personality.
There may be a pattern. This recipe seems to cook up exclusive groups of people that, from an early age, stay seperated and detached from civilians for life. Everyone as a whole must think about a solution for this. As civilians, we need to reabsord our people back in to civil service in ways that reintroduce them to jobs that are fullfilling and opposite of what the are trained for. our society is getting smarter and both sides are getting pinched by an emerging new society, a society that may need to merge under an informational umbrella that keeps these horrors from raining down on any of us.
“Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.” Alvin Toffler.
Our oil fields world wide are shrinking. our men and women are sent out to get it for us. As a society, we need to work together and sort these things out in real time.
here is a quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
“In Feb 2010 the US military’s Joint Forces Command issued the Joint Operating Environment 2010 warning US military commands “By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day.”
For pulling over or ticketing it is unusual. As far as searching and detaining then that’s a different story.
Moron we are talking about when you have a female suspect! We are talking about cyclops getting in over his beady head and making a female clean up his dirty work!
Kenton Hampton….you DO have a LOT of nerve posting here!!!Myslef, and many more, are hoping and praying you get what’s coming to you, you PIG!!!!
#60 > the black beast Hampton is going to find out what the Rico act is all about.Hampton kellys blood will live on you forever there is a spot waiting for murders like you in hell.You could have stop this Your heart is as Black as your skin.
Hey Kenton, if this is really you, could you tell me if your “code of silence” is so strong that you couldn’t get up the guts to taze cyclops and stop this murder?
Eloquent
I know two cops, one no longer and one still, the last I knew, and of another who either refused to participate in the corruption or stopped participating. The one who stopped was “pushed out” of the PD. The one who refused was also “pushed out” of the same PD and went to a rural Sheriff’s dept. in a NW state. The third one had to retire after he had dope dealers on the ground at gunpoint. He radioed for backup. A cruiser pulled up at the far end of the block. The two cops in it got out, then turned their backs on him. He had to let the dealers go, and soon resigned. He got the message.
Cops spread rumors all of the time, why shouldn’t we extend the courtesy to you? Don’t use psyops on us you whackjobs from reform school!
WELL, LET’S FILE A PITCHESS MOTION AND SEE WHAT KIND OF DISCIPLINE RECORD CYCLOPS HAS!
Boobootard! The videos are NOT hearsay. They are tangible evidence in a crime! They can not be disputed. FYI. When you start throwing around legal terminology, understand this…there are EXCEPTIONS to the hearsay rule, meaning whatever you call hearsay can be allowed in as testimony if a judge rules on it that way!
not nearly as disgraceful as the FPD(and their croonies) have been for many years.
above all, not nearly as disgraceful as beating ANY man to death, regardless of his issues, rap sheet or personal standing.
FPD and the city council can put a quick end to the rumor, hearsay and innuendo…..release the video!!!
It’s evidence. It won’t be released.
It has been released moron! The public saw what dirty coppers did to Kelly! Need some Tombstone style LE in Fullerton?
I thought we had a freedom of information act?
One Eyed Jack…or Cyclops!!!!
or Mean Machine Angel
One-Eyed Jackboot!
Jim, finish your thoughts before posting! It’s one eyed Jackass.
Satan’s little helper
SATAN’S LITTLE SPAWN?
Sinclair Lewis wrote a book. “It Couldn’t Happen Here.”
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/08/danziger_bridge_verdict_do_not.html\
At the rally i heard Ron Thomas say that he had spoken to the FBI that morning and that they had undercover agents in the crowd! FYI
It doesnt excuse Fullerton PD murdering Kelly but if what you said is true then it kind of explains where Kelly’s nutty-ness came from.
Next he’ll tell us the officers were working for globalists.
THEY WORK FOR OBUMMER AND GEORGE SOROS. IT IS PART OF THE NWO TO KILL OFF AS MANY OF US USELESS FEEDERS AND TO HAVE THESE JACKBOOTED THUGS DO THEIR DIRTY WORK!
Hmm!!! Doing surveillance on We the People??? Not cool! Pitchforks anyone? Tea party?
Note: Chris Thompason is not leading people on….He is recording evidence…..while the people still remember,as it is fresh in their own minds-as THEY–recall.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTING THEIR STATEMENTS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR RECORDING DEVICES IF THEY HAD ANY.
One MUST ask: where is the lady now? She was undoubtedly threatened and/or coerced. I hope she surfaces before the trial. Let this be a lesson:
If anyone reading this ever videotapes or witnesses something like this, there are a few rules you should follow:
1: Stay out of sight of the police, obviously, if an officer sees you, your evidence will be destroyed and you will be arrested. The order in which those things will happen is dependent on what he is guilty of.
2: Make copies of it, along with a video transcript (think of any future depositions/cross examinations!) of what you have seen, being as precise as possible. Mention times, dates, places, # of witnesses, etc. Preferably 3 or 4, more than one copy, and give @ least one to yr lawyer, with the instructions that, if an ‘accident’ should befall you, to release it, if it isn’t released already. Never keep two copies in the same place, I would keep them in different locations, with different instructions. An investigation into these places would require a search warrant, which leaves a paper trail.
3: After making copies, and ensuring they are safe, present one (preferably in the presence of yr attorney) to the P.D. in question, asking for a receipt of purchase, so you cannot be charged with an Obstruction charge, etc..if they wish you to make a statement, do so, but only in the presence of counsel. I’m not a lawyer, and I know that lying to the police (in the execution of an investigation and in writing) is illegal, but I don’t think withholding information if you feel threatened is. Answer their questions honestly. You have nothing to hide, and forward any questions asked about you (other than the standard name, address, etc) to your counsel..Give as much info. as required as long as it’s pertinent to the investigation.
4: Keep yr counsel on speed-dial. If you learn that anyone (law enforcement, D.A, media, or whomever) has been asking questions about you @ work, church, school, etc, get as much information as possible. Record record record!!
I should probably add a DISCLAIMER:
I am not an attorney. The opinions expressed are my opinions only, and are to be intended for instructional use only, and are entirely hypothetical. The advice provided is NOT intended to be legal advice. Consult an attorney before taking any of the actions above..
I have to stress that.
So you give legal advice and then say, “The advice provided is not intended to be legal advice.”?
Standard disclaimer. You are free to take the advice as legal advice if you wish but it is offered as lay advice only.
You have a CIVIL RIGHT under the first Amendment to our Constitution to record anyone, anything in a PUBLIC PLACE! Cops do not have a right or expectation of privacy in public! They should be trained as such. This leads to a Monell claim in a civil suit- failure to train!
live stream is the way
I was told the police confiscated the phones, or at least the videos, taken by the taxi cab drivers who were parked at the Amtrak depot.
What?
There was also talk of a real estate agent who was taping the whole thing and had the tape taken by the FPD. I wonder if this is the same person? I was under the impression that the real estate person was a man.
Can this case get anymore DIRTIER?!!?
I liked the anonymous caller who brought up that the tazers have a diagnostic feature when they’re plugged in @ the station (Let’s hope they aren’t equipped with a ‘reset’ feature as well!) also that it was pointed out that the computer keeps a log of who logs in, including why and where from.
When a case is presented in court, the judge uses his/her discretion, in the interest of justice, to decide what is allowed to be presented in evidence, and sadly, I’d wager that a lot of the ‘confiscated’ material was never logged, and therefore is hypothetical, or hearsay..
I have read somewhere that the FPD cruisers aren’t equipped with cruiser-cams? What a shame, although I remember hearing that the lieutenant on duty is the only person who can access them.. (I’m sure it’s different in different places) so in this case, it probably would not have done much good. The trial will be interesting to watch, though it will probably be gagged, and untelevised. There are a lot of witnesses contradicting what the police say, and I hope that more evidence will surface in the coming weeks/months that will maybe put enough pressure on the guilty parties (more so, those protecting the guilty parties!) that they will not try to perjure themselves. I am an opponent of Capital Punishment (just my own belief and opinion) but I would like to see those guilty pay. California is a notoriously rough prison system, and, even though I’m almost positive that former cops are segregated, I imagine it is that much more so for crooked cops. There will either be, in my meager opinion, a plea bargain or an out an out acquittal. In a case as barbaric as this, we can’t let the punishment fit the crime, but I think a fitting start would be to garnish their future wages (which I think should NEVER be in the public service/sector again) to pay for homeless shelters and mental illness research..or @ least a public admittance of guilt and apology!
You won’t get a penny of their pensions. You have as good a shot of getting a penny of their pension as them getting the death penalty.
That was a very intelligently well thought out waste of a post.
We need to know if these taser logs are archived securely, or, can they be manipulated? Same holds true for and audio/video.
#94 it could also be possible that it is logged by the company who provides it it could be a service like an alarm service some security should be in place to prevent tampering i would think.
Orange County Sheriffs and Fullerton Polices are banning video and camera for many good reasons: protect themselves from prosecutions.
Your witness is never good enough. The cases against polices were shut tight before it even opened.
Sometime you are lucky to have witness with videos, very rare cases.
These cops are above the laws. Check out a latest case below:
Prosecutor: Man targeted for vicious beating
http://www.ocregister.com/news/inmates-311172-chamberlain-deputy.html
Which leading us to a simple question: what is a different between cops and criminals in Orange County?
The Badge of Honor..
Problem with what you said, they can’t ban anyone from filming them. No lawful authority to tell you to turn off any device you have. Judges are throwing out cases where people have been arrested for this ridiculous charge.
Who said anything about “lawful”? This post is about UNlawful acts by police.
Even after the judge throws the charges out, if they are even lodged, you don’t get your camera back, or if you do, it’s been erased.
This is the value of the smartphones that stream video/audio to remote computer storage. Stealing the phone or stomping it is recorded remotely up to the point where the video/audio is turned off or destroyed.
Watch out for state laws regarding audio recording. Best to use audio recordings to “refresh your memory” in committing your amazingly accurate memory to a sworn transcript affidavit of what the COP(s) said. You do not have to and should not include what YOU said: Everything YOU say (and do) can and WILL BE used against you in court.) Best if you are an uninvolved bystander who says nothing. You do NOT have to admit to recording the audio as to do so is to give information that can (AND WILL) be used against you. You DO NOT have to “remember” anything the suspect/perp/victim said unless it is to his/her advantage.
Disclaimer: Not “legal” advice. Only licensed liahyars can give “legal” advice.
Good post Ignacio—of note, the DA’s office has only prosecuted one case over the years, regarding alleged police misconduct. [Per The OC Weekly investigation]. Real good track record, uh??!!?? Who can prosecute the Prosecutor?!
The DA needs to be recalled if he doesn’t abide by the will of the People in this matter. The junior deputy DAs need some training in this area as well. If they had this training they wouldn’t be so fast as to prosecute for filming bad cops! The most dangerous things for cops is…you knowing your rights!
Again. How many times have they done this before? Oh look, we just found a homeless guy beat to death behind a dumpster. Hmmm another unsoved crime. Go figure…
*unsolved
The more I learn about this atrocity, the more I want to puke.
It is rather mortifying.
Focus your anger and write emails to the DA, City Council and FPD. Email addresses are on Justice For Kelly Facebook page.
Also please remember the Orange County DA is an elected official and 2014 is coming.
Have you guys seen this yet?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/da-no-evidence-fullerton-cops-intentionally-killed-homeless-man.html
“Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas on Monday said he’s seen no evidence so far suggesting Fullerton police officers intentionally tried to kill homeless man Kelly Thomas but said his office is still trying to determine whether the officers used excessive force in his death.”
“‘As far as intentional killing — whether an officer intended to kill him … I have not seen any evidence of that in this case,’ Rackauckas said.”
Under the theory of “transferred intent”, the officers can still be found guilty of murder if Kelly Thomas died while the officers were committing a felony against him, even if they did not intend to kill him.
I hate to say this but video is key here. The only cop I can think of that was ever successfully prosecuted for killing an unarmed civilian and use of excessive force was Johan Mehserle and there was clear video if what happened (and he only served 2 years). Without video, this is a lost cause. It’s not a good sign that there’s no video and the one video there is in their hands. My fingers are crossed but there’s too much corruption on their side.
They had to hang the BART cop. They had to placate and condescend to the blacks in Oakland before they burned the city down. The BART case was not proven to be murder. It can not be compared to Kelly’s case. It’s apple and oranges! Meserhle drew the wrong weapon. Manslaughter!
My point is that without VIDEO he wouldn’t have been tried for anything.
Listening to the liar Ruckacuass it is apparent tnat we must demand that the Grand Jury be convened immediately to comepl the cops to testify the D.O.J. must take contol of the investigation and Ruckacuass must also be recalled he is a liar
You can’t compel them to do anything. They don’t have to say a word. You don’t own them.
anyone remember roadhouse or breaker breaker? screw the “illegal injustice” system. if he were my kid – a hollowpoint to the knees elbows and gut, stuff them in their skunk cars and add lit road flares- in the gutshot. and that would be if i were inclined to be merciful-not hardly likely. JUSTICE would be prolonging it to equal the 5 days that Kelly was on life support- but keep them fully aware. these cowards would begging to die!!
BUT, WE THE PEOPLE, WHO PAY THEIR LOFTY SALARIES…..DO OWN THEIR SOULS(IF THEY HAD ANY) AND ASSES. THEY BETTER GET HEADS UP QUICKLY BEFORE THERE’S A TEAPARTY TO OVER THROW THESE CARPETBAGGERS!
They have to appear if the GJ subpoenas them. But they don’t have to remember anything.
I have very poor memory of things I supposedly did, failed to do, said or failed to say that would, if they actually happened, go against me. So do cops.
You’re expecting that the racist Attorney General Holder is going to file federal civil rights charges against cops on behalf of a white murder victim? You smoking crack or wut? :[
Side bar: I was trying to research crime stats for Fullerton and in particular in the vicinity of the train station, you’d never believe this but, the woosepussies pulled their crime stats links!
This has to be stopped! How bad does it have to get here before the people start standing up and saying WE HAVE HAD IT. I can imagine the ones we don’t see. This has to stop!!!!!
John and Ken’s interview today with Tony Raukaukus was muct more thorough than the today’s L.A. Times story. He said the city’s tape is “substantial,” with “a lot of detail,” “doesn’t leave a lot to your imagination,” and “is a core piece of evidence in this case.”
Please sign this petition:
http://www.petition2congress.com/4898/kelly-thomas-law/
Can we reserve this important petition on seperate areas so we do not mix up with all the comments. It will be more effective.
Dear God and Parents;
You need to look into your conscience and time to take action.
“Blood may be wiped out from their faces but the Truth remains.”
http://fullertonstories.com/city-manager-requests-outside-review-of-pd/
Way to manage, City Manager. The FPD gets someone else to investigate the Kelly Thomas killing, and the City Manger wants to hire someone else to investigate the PD. What do we pay these coty clowns for anyway? What’s next, the City Council hires someone to act as the City Council? Hey, not a bad idea.
Cut out the middle man, fire these lazy, incompetent idiots and outsource the jobs to the people who will end up actually doing them anyway.
Its part of a strategy. Among other things, The independent party will make recommendations on who stays and who gets the pink slip.
It also provides the City with the necessary information needed to document and advert a wrongful termination suit.
It’s all a ruse, a shell game being played before our eyes! Don’t trust, but, verify!
Look at what London does when the cops get out of hand.
Just wanted to clarify something.
The reason why Fullerton hasn’t had this kind of response to the beating of Kelly Thomas is because of THIS BLOG.
This blog has served as a place for people to vent, and also to plan to come together to protest lawfully. Were it not for this blog, one of two things might have occurred:
1. Business as usual.
2. An all out riot.
While Doc Hee Haw is quick to accuse readers of this blog as being a lynch mob, in fact, it’s the very opposite that causes unruly and unlawful protests. It’s the stifling of a voice of protest that leads to it.
So good on this blog.
It serves as a very important way for people to voice dismay, frustration, disgust, as well as to plan for definitive and positive changes.
Agreed! Typically, those who are angry would only see each other out at protests. Everyone here is able to vent and talk sense into one another about the most respectful and effective way to handle things. Kudos to this blog and its readers!
Check The Register’s Web site.
Wasn’t Anonymous supposed to hack FPD?
Their website is still up and running…
It was a hoax story posted on a website that wanted more views. Anonymous never announces an attack in advance.
Fpd’s crime stats are MIA.
I listened to the Rackauckas interview on KFI this afternoon, and although there were several points where he was obviously tap-dancing, what he DID say about the video was a little more damning (as far as the cops are concerned) than I would have expected, just as #50 noted above.
He also noted that the six killers are lawyered up and have not been interviewed by the DA’s office. No shocker there, but John and Ken made the point that the six are not exactly behaving in a manner that would indicate their innocence.
I wouldn’t talk either with all the Bs rumors and lies everyone is making up. I would stay quiet until court.
You must be referring to the actions of those attempting to cover for those pieces of stinking filthy murderers- oh, wait a minute that would include you. what’s your personal relationship to that scum or do you just feel a vicarious kinship to them?
I just look at the facts. Not all the BS you and your cronies spew. Facts are you will get nothing you desire like the video and you will deal with it. Cops won’t talk. You won’t see the cops. They could care less what you think with all your made up BS.
When the cops have alienated the whites (the last of their support), they better drive around in armored humvees. It will be ugly indeed. As it stands – we expect no help from the police. They are often too slow, floundering, and scared to get hurt. When they make it clear we are all the enemy (it has already started going that direction), they would be wise to remember we are not some crackhead hood rat, and can dole out some painful lessons to those who wish to control us.
i don’t expect the cowardly little piggies to talk-squeal maybe- but not talk. i expect the will die instead of take a chance of going to prison-give one last loving blow-job to their glocks and then expand their minds in an explosive fashion.
Papa go back into your cave and sleep
It off. We’ll take care of biz for you. Sleep tight!
Lies…that is funny. Nice Blog Name…I like how ignorant people & Cops keep focusing on the $$ that has been offered as though a life wasn’t taken. If the cops had not beaten his son to death there would never had been money offered. I could give a crap if Mr. Thomas gets a dime or 100K that is not the point.
Please sign this petition:
http://www.petition2congress.com/4898/kelly-thomas-law/
Also try to email your video to a friend or your anonymous youtube/ facebook asap
the guy being interviewed is a moron! he’s stuck on stupid and she was not taken for taking pictures or video she was told to move back and she refused
Why does the media always find the most stupid person on earth to be interviewed?
How do you know?
And, gee, wouldn’t that be convenient for them that the woman taking video of their use of excessive force also “resisted” their commands? What a nice excuse for them to confiscate her footage and photos of them.
Maybe you should call them yourself. Did you watch those videos? She was not in the cops way..she was told to move back to keep from recording their brutal attack. If I had been there I am sure I would have been arrested too because I would have tried to get them to stop.
Someone needs to find her and depose her immediately!
Maybe the cop thought that, with the recent SOTUS ruling on cellphones, she could just examine it at will. There seems to be a lot of confusion with FPD cops regarding what is legal and what is illegal.
Laws are way more abundant and complex than they were 30 years ago. With the starting pay and ample raises and promotions, we should be requiring a 4-year degree to be a cop. The college educated tend on average to have a broader perspective than uneducatedf thugs downing steroids.
many communities have already done this by requiring a minimum of a bachelors degree in criminal justice. a degree i might add is little more than vocational.
the problem is our whole culture needs to change to a more intellctual way of thinking. at least one person gets it who goes by the handle ‘the big picture’. the lights are growing dim and the fun is just starting. wait until the fpd have to respond to food riots at the local piggly wiggly because nobody can afford to buy food.
the problem is much bigger than the beating death of kelley thomas or the thuggery that passes for law enforcement. there was a post earlier from some clown whose handle is a reference to kelleys dad wanting money. i got news for him regarding the pensions. you and everyone else who draws/will draw a public pension had better rid yourself of debt as quickly as possible.
the way we do things is coming to a crashing hault in the near future. the age of entitlements IS coming to a close and we are going to be witnesses to a new way of doing things.
the internet is the most effective tool at spreading change. inherently by it’s ability to allow people to exchange information does it cast light into the darkness. if all a person read was the oc register and the wall street journal you would think that the homeless are committing suicide by cop, islamists have taken over the country, the recession is just a correction, iran is gong to nuke Israel, and Obama is a communist.
tell me how a guy who thinks all Americans should have health care is a bigger commie than say government unions who demand 90% of pay afer 30 years of employment and a real juicy benefits package. federal, state, and local government employees do NOT pay taxes, they get paid with YOUR taxes and hard earned money.
we, jon q. public paid the salaries of those who beat kelley thomas to death. in addition we are footing the bill for the investigation, the defense of the perpetrators, whatever it costs to jail them, and the increase on the cities insurance. we get to pay for all of it.
which brings me to my last point. if these guys are found guilty they should get double the sentence of a civilian for being such pains in the asses and mostly for breaking the public trust. the actions ofthese officers have proven that you can pretty much pick a cop out of a hat because these ‘standards’ they claim to have are not obvious to any civilian.
you produce nothing
I do think a degree brings more experience and maturity to the job of policing. The problem is that policing is based on a military structure, so at least half of your cops are former military personnel. Tough stance.
Pensions is just a media PR hoax. If you research the facts, as I have, the pension system is a small factor. For the last 20 years, cities have paid nothing into the pension systems because they were super funded. If they saved the money they were obligated to pay, that money would now be there for use. Most cities have now bargained away the city paying the employees 9% contribution, so no more whining. It’s all basically a reason to blame the economy on, now that wall street and the real estate issues have passed us by.
Sorry to inform you that the retirement system of CALPERS for current employees won’t change. You will change the system for new employees, which will then put street cops on the streets until the age of 60. You might as well pump up the worker’s comp system now to fund the retirements due to work injuries in my opinion for your future children that become cops.
Your post has so many errors but that’s the problem these days. Everyone thinks they know things based on assumptions and rumors. Just so you know, you won’t pay a penny for their defense. They pay it all on their own from a defense fund. It will be the best defense possible, and will cost millions and millions, but you won’t fund any of it.
Another statement showing your bias. Double the sentence. Reality is maybe 1 or 2 might get a year or two, the others will get nothing.
You dont only need book smart, but street smart too. These little sissy bookworms are gonna be thrown out to the wolves and they are gonna be swallowed whole.
Scotty:
“…federal, state, and local government employees do NOT pay taxes.”
Where on earth did you get that nutty idea from? Are you just making stuff up out of your imagination? I have been a State, County, City, and Federal employee at different times of my life. I have NEVER not had to pay taxes. I still know several school teachers and some college profs. Teachers are local government employees, College profs are State employees. They all pay taxes!
What gives with the wild claims, Scotty?
TO: THE WEBSITE MODERATOR
SIR. YOUR FACTS AND MANY OF YOUR STATEMENTS ARE SIMPLY NOT CORRECT. IM NOT TAKING SIDES IN THIS MATTER, BUT JUST READING SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE FACTS YOU ARE TELLING THE PUBLIC ON TOPICS SUCH AS WHAT IS EVIDENCE, WHAT THE DA, POLICE, AND DOJ CAN AND CANT DO IS NOT CORRECT. ALTHOUGH MANY PEOPLE ARE UPSET, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET THE JUSTICE SYSTEM RUN ITS COURSE. ALL OF YOU ARE NOT DOING ANY FAVORS FOR THE FAMILY, OR THE RESIDENTS OF FULLERTON BY FLAMING THE FIRES.
YOU, JOHN AND KEN, AND THE MEDIA ARE BLOWING THIS UP AND FANNING THE FLAMES. YOU ARE ALL DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING BUT BAD WILL COME OF IT…
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
Please turn the caps off. It’s tantamount to yelling.
If the system were fair and impartial it wouldn’t be necessary to garner media support. But we’re working with a system that’s FUBAR.
Today the Fullerton City Manager requested an independent review of the Police Department. The City is about to clean out the FPD.
Today the Fullerton City Manager requested an independent review of the Police Department.
hallelujah! Congratulations to the City of Fullerton. First wobbly step taken to justice and freedom for all.
Yes, caps make everyone’s eyes hurt and also make you lose credibility. If it weren’t for people like John and Ken and the moderator of this blog, then this whole thing would get swept under the rug just like the FPD and certain members of the City Council are hoping it will.
Even if certain things are not 100% accurate, I think the public is aware that a blog may not always be the most accurate source. The point is that this is an open forum for people to share what they know. Just like in any investigation, certain things will be found to be false upon closer inspection. That doesn’t mean we just stop investigating and stop talking about what happened.
Yeah cop lover, stop fanning flames of what? Revolution? Rebellion? These cops that murdered Kelly deserve what happened in Boston Harbor…teabags were thrown overboard!
We have a right to dissent, don’t like it!??? Too bad!
#136 by Legal on August 8, 2011
Your concern duly noted, however:
Without the FFFF, which evidently Kelly Thomas’ family openly support and appreciate, Kelly’s death would have been swept under the rug and forgotten by now. Efforts at accomplishing that are still underway by the FPD and DA. Flames being “fanned” is the only thing that has kept this horrible tragedy in the public’s eye, and will ultimately result in justice for the Thomas family and the community at large. How can Justice be considered ‘BAD’ for any but the guilty? It really is clear to any thinking individual those six cops are an imminent threat to the safety of their fellow law enforcement officers and the public at large. That is based on FACTS already publicly in evidence. The sooner they are permanently off the street the sooner the community can feel safe again. I may be mistaken, but believe the majority of their fellow law enforcement officers will also breathe a sigh of relief. Sorry if you or one of your cohorts gets ‘burned’ by the flames, but I’ve much more sympathy for poor Kelly Thomas and his grieving family and friends in the local community many of whom have come forward to publicly provide character witness for him.
It seems things didn’t turn out quite the way the brutal murders expected.
Still, thank you for your time, and concern.
All the best,
LEGAL SIR, SHUT THE FUCK UP
YOU NAZI LOVER
im guessing no charges will be filed
“im guessing no charges will be filed”
Perhaps not by the DA, but most certainly by the FEDS.
Wadda ya’ say, $20?
If you are one of the corrupt cops of course you are going to believe that.
Is she still alive?! Any missing person reports filed 24 hrs. after the beating for female matching her description? I hope she’s okay, but chances are she’s not.
There are a lot of homeless people and witnesses who witnessed what happened to Kelly hiding out. They are afraid of the cops in that city!
@ Legal:
First question… did you see the picture?
Also, 1st amendment, just in case you never learned it: …no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…” Look it up- that’s from the US Constitution.
The guy in this video seemed pretty confident in what he saw. What good would it do him to tell a lie? Seemed honest to me.
That’s the problem with the activist types these days. They lie and make things up to get people to listen. Half of the stuff in this case is made up just to make it sound really really good. Let the investigation finish. If the cops did something wrong, they will be indicted for same. No matter what people won’t be happy. My prediction is that two cops will have the most serious charges, but if Kelly ran and fought then they won’t get much. It is what it is. The dad is just a loser plain and simple. It wasn’t a hate crime and it wasn’t murder, and they aren’t going to get the death penalty. The dad gave his sone the death penalty in the way he raised him and then left him on the street for life with no help. He shouldn’t get a dollar. So we will see how it all plays out. But the rumors and made up BS will just make the hit that much worse when the cops win in trial, which happens more often than not.
If this blog weren’t making noise, the investigation would already be “finished” if you know what I mean.
This blog is alive because it allows people to post anonymously. So people can talk smack and make things up. Most legitimate blogs now make you use your Facebook link which makes for real people, names, and faces. This blog would be dead that way. So anyone with a brain knows 90% of this blog is bS.
It’s a shame you can’t get the names and addresses so that you could drive over and pound some sense into their heads with the butt of a taser. Sometimes life just ain’t fair. Ain’t that true my little oinker?
Ha wow, yeah no one creates sock puppet FB accounts to do that sort of thing..
What is your legitimate Facebook link??? Hypocrite
We as civilians and as Americans need real time information so that we can see where our Tax dollars are spent; we have to work hard for this. Maybe the great men of this local government have forgotten this. This is democracy. What we may have here is an advanced democracy evolving were no matter what anyone does, will grow with real time information.
This is what happens all around the country, to the homeless, week, and spirit broken people of America when Privileged service men, separated from the public for years on end, seemed to think they are the only ones that have suffered and sacrificed, but we’ve been through it here too. An intelligent and experienced man can see when another man is mentally ill and must carry out this duty, no excuses.
Banding together in local government, these great men get to serve in an organization that feeds them, clothes them, and employs them before they enter public service. These fortunate people are picked for their physical and mental health attributes. We cannot have them killing off the week like this, we pay them generously not too, and the last I checked, Fullerton was nothing compared to Compton. We pay them to protect us and we trust them not to make these mistakes. We look upon them as the worlds most advanced trustworthy breed. Kelly’s death shouldn’t have happened, period. I get the idea that Kelly’s father has no intension of hurting the tax payers of Fullerton. I hope he runs for office; it would be worth every penny to elect him, and his colleges’, to protect the city and replace the incompetent.
Let’s put aside your opinion about activist “these days” though it does beg the question as opposed to WHAT days? Not sure what your references are, but either you’ve been in a barrel of fish for a few decades, or you’re reliving some time on another planet.
As for Mr. Thomas. I’m not sure why you’ve summarily written him off as a loser. You have no idea how difficult it is to have a loved one with a serious mental illness. Schizophrenia kicks in during late adolescence and early adulthood. It is not a quick drop to the bottom, rather, dealing with it is one long drag across depths that most people cannot imagine. The Thomas’ life was one of searching for help, driving their son to psychiatrist after psychiatrist, going to therapists, and having him at home and watching him degrade in spite of their efforts.
So first, let’s take care of a few stupid opinions that people have been pulling out of their ass.
1. He had schizophrenia, not a drug addiction problem.
2. Schizophrenia is a mental illness. It is not caused by drug addiction. It has a significant genetic component.
3. It is treatable, however, most schizophrenics unless institutionalized, stop taking their medication.
4. While he was governor, Ronald Reagan closed the mental hospitals in the 1970’s. Not only were there reasons that ran parallel to his idealism, it was also bolstered by the introduction of new pharmaceuticals (anti-psychotics). The pervasive belief back then was they could release everyone, and they would take their meds. This hasn’t happened. The streets, criminal courts, prisons, and hospital psychiatric wards are filled with a range of schizophrenics, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorders, unipolar disorder, NOCS, and other patients with a diagnosis found in the DSM-IV. This is the situation we find ourselves stuck with.
5. Yes, this is a tragedy of human proportions. I’m sure you have a bloody perfect life to be casting stones, or maybe you did, sometime before “these days.”
It seems that people all over society are looking at each other, not knowing what’s going on. There is a sense of uncertainty. It’s the sense that something needs to be done. People must sense that in just one generation the industrial wave of society has just died here, for good.
The old local Government framework that represents that wave, is still hanging around after the parties over, feeding on the corpse of the old world.
With the industrial wave came:
Schools (weaned children away from their parents at an early age)
Factories and offices (put parents to work)
Elderly care (took old people away from their grandchildren)
That old wave fractured the family unit and created a breed of cold hearted people that find each other in local Gov.
Man, they look well feed.
Sometimes good officers are pigeon holed into doing the admin’s dirty work then get cut for frivelace things.
The sense of self-importance really festers in a closed environment
#153 by OH SLAY ME SILVA: On Assholery on August 8, 2011
Your post? Well put.
Yeah, it’s the “activist types” who “lie and make things up.” How about all the BS about two of the officers having broken bones to make it sound like Kelly had really put up a huge fight and hurt some of them?
His dad is not a loser; his son had schizophrenia. Hopefully you will never have to deal with that kind of heartache. He’s not looking for money, and your insensitive babble just proves how ignorant you are.
Hey people, remember who first broke the report that the officer didn’t suffer broken bones. It was the Fullertonian. (And, no, I’m not affiliated with the Fullertonian). But give credit where credit is due. And, just because i’m amped up on the righteous indignation of God, I’d just like to take this moment to tell all the worthless trolls spreading their hateful bullshit this: FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING TROLLS!!!!
go FFF!
Oops, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that the police were the ones making up lies.
In the olden days of the West, all we would have needed for a good lynching party is to see what we saw. No need for lenghty drawn out hokuspokus investigations…just taken these dirty criminal slob clowns to the gallows and let em schewwwing in the breeze til they are dead. Now where else do you want to take this you whining crybaby?
Your a jackass, plain and simple.
learn to spell fugtard!
learn to spell scuzbagolla!
1. The witnesses that got on the OCTA bus and Mark Turgeon told similar accounts of what they saw.
2. The hospital picture is consistent with these descriptions.
3. The video from the distance showed the taser sounds and Thomas screaming for help.
4. Why did it take weeks for ALL six to be removed from service?
5. Why has the city video not been released?
6. Why has the initial 911 call not been released?
7. Why was Ron Thomas offered settlement money before any legal action against said officers was taken?
8. Why are people in the PD and from the ambulance leaking information surreptiously?
I’m sure there are other interesting points to be addressed but those are the ones that are glaring to me right now.
Why would they release anything? It’s evidence. All of it. You might see it at trial. Until then, you will get what you are getting. Nothing.
# 86>incriminating no doubt !! the cowards will not even talk to the DA i hope those bottom feeder Maggots are shaking in there in there boots.i hope there family life is in chaos like the chaos they caused.
Paid vacation. They are all in beach houses relaxing laughing at all the BS. They will all get stress retirements and no one will even know who they are by next year.
Just means more time listening to those shrill, bitch of the century wives. I’d shoot myself in the head if I had to be around one of those cop groupie harpies for more than five minutes. Bitch with a capital “C”. No wonder you doughnut jockies are always so filled with rage.
Question – When was the last time you could see your own penis without the use of a mirror?
I see a lot of why why why?
Let’s see more how how how!
Should just change your screen name to “CopWantsPension$$”
how are we going to see evidence when you assclowns are going to hide all incriminating, tangible videos etc?
It will be tough. Wouldn’t you do the same?
#84 Reality Check >There was mention of the slide bar being part of this murder they wanted kelly out of there sight the manager was told to place a phony call about car break in’s the Slide bar was known for drug trafficking the original owner was arrested for drugs and when released fled to Iran or some were not sure were they said he went to also slide bar had a special room were the FPD could have drinks while on duty.It was said very few if any get busted by FPD for DUI when they leave slide bar It is pretty obvious the slide bar was the main culprit in the beat down of kelly they should be part of the investigation and shun patronizing them till the truth comes out
Reality those leaking info are some of the few with ethics and integrity.
Who said there was a 911 call?
I concur with your observations and have made my own list of questions that need to be responded to.
reality you make some valid points!
Fullerton PD Cops are out of line with their authority. Why do we put up with this shit??!!
Its coming to an end.
The Fullerton City Manager has requested that the City Council hire a person to conduct an independent review of the FPD and if there are problems found, he will make recommendations on corrections.
Cause you are annonymous. Like a ghost.
And you are transparent like a hero?
Of course. 🙂
Pathetic.
I was a witness that night to the “event” and saw the police isolated one person with an iphone and making him follow him all the way back around to the back door of his car.It was latter said by others there that he was a realiter, sort of a shorter guy. He was making no attempt to conceal his phone. he actually showed a few of us there some of the beginging of his footage.After the cop pointed at him and motioned with his finger to come toward him… This is when I got out of there. I later made a statement to the DA. I saw a women cop walking toward a girl with a white phone .
So tell us your account of what happened….. Don’t hold out on us……
Hopefully some photos or footage was taken that didn’t get confiscated.
If anyone has anything like that, make a copy of it before you hand anything over to anyone.
When I take cop video now, I use the Justin.tv app so that it live streams AND captures a backup on their website. Better than using the native camera, and just as easy.
Smart thing calwatch!
When I take cop video now, I use the Justin.tv app so that it live streams AND captures a backup on their website. Better than using the native camera, and just as easy.
Thanks for the heads-up
No one is denying he’s dead. How did he die is the question. Heart due to drug use? Taser? Fell down runnning from the cops? Dad disconnected life support because he wanted him dead to collect millions? That’s why the process takes awhile.
Dad can not unplug patient unless doctor says he is brain dead, that would be murder….Kelly was in good shape before 6 goons showed up. See before after pics…Have to think Kelly was beat real bad that best doctors @ UCI could not keep him alive past 5 days…..stupid fuck
papaWants$$… that is a stupid fucking name You fucking cop lover
Good shape. That’s funny. Good shape for a transient drug addict? He was a mess. Everyone wanted him gone. It worked.
Everyone wanted him gone? Only the psycho cops and their pussy cheerleaders.
No. Truth be told all the businesses hated him and local visitors hated him. Just like they do in any other city. Homeless drug addicts affect businesses negatively and are a danger to the public. Run em out.
Run ’em where Goner?
To Fullerton. Let them all gather there. Let all the concerned citizens feed them, care for them, and love them everyday just like Kelly’s dad did. LOL
Oh really? Are you in direct correspondence with all the businesses and local visitors?
How about the fact that all of us who live here are defending him and fighting for justice for what happened to him? I think that speaks volumes more about what people really thought of Kelly than your random generalizations do.
People aren’t defending him at all. He was a loser. They are defending what they are assuming happened in this whole incident. 6 cops made it to the scene, but 6 cops didn’t touch him. All the assumptions about what happened are what people are defending. Kelly was a loser. Yes, businesses hated him around. Customers went the other way when he was around.
Sorry, Reality Is, but I think it’s you who is the real loser here. Who calls someone who suffers from a severe psychiatric disorder a “loser”? An ignorant loser, that’s who.
Many people who are outraged about this whole incident are well aware of the fact that not all six of the cops can possibly all be equally at fault for what happened to Kelly that night.
It’s unfortunate that any business may have suffered due to customers being deterred from walking past Kelly. However, it is more unfortunate that he suffered from schizophrenia and died by the hands of the people who are supposed to protect us. Until all of the facts come out about why they really approached Kelly in the first place and whether they took his psychological state into consideration when they did so, then it’s difficult to say to what degree each officer should or should not be punished.
As you so eloquently pointed out, “businesses hated him.” Kelly was well known, and everyone was aware he had a psychological disorder. This leads everyone to believe the police were very aware of this as well. All you’re really doing is adding fuel to the accusations that the police wanted to “get rid of him.”
Why would you even bother posting something so hateful? Go find a hate group to share your nonsense with and leave the rest of us in peace. By the way, that guy walked up and down my street frequently and never accepted my next door neighbors offers of a few bucks. Drug addicts ALWAYS take money. He didn’t because he wasn’t one, many of us knew him and didn’t “want him gone”. But I wish you were.
Kelly died as a result of homicide at the hands of another! Manner and means: blunt force trauma to head, asphyxia.
Yeah, uh huh, one fall caused all that damage.
Are you retarded? Think about what you proposed..even though six men bludgeoned the guy for over ten minutes, your suggesting that his subsequent death may be unrelated, or that he possibly died as result of falling down while running away? YOU ARE WHY PEOPLE IN POWER GET AWAY WITH MURDER. Idiot.
#269 by PapaWants$$ on August 8, 2011
Man, you’re a real piece of work. Have you seen the medical reports? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the last photos of Kelly and realize there would have been massive irreparable brain damage. Would you want a child you loved (provided you even had the capacity for love) to live as a vegetable the rest of his life, or would you, despite your personal grief, grant him final peace from the horror he suffered in this life? Perhaps you should get a brain transplant from a gerbil? It could only improve your intellectual prowess. Nitwit.
The key is a child he loved. He abandoned him years ago. Wanted nothing to do with him. He said goodbye and pulled the plug hoping that he got at least $20 million.
i hope he get the keys to the city.i hope i get to sit on the jury b/c i will lie my ass off to get on it.
the reality is the homeless in california dont starve or freeze to death. they die of either drug overdoses or violent deaths. i keep reading inferences that kelley thomas was a drug addict. dont know if he is or not but he didnt die from drugs, he was beaten to death by those PAID to protect him. the only people that fact is lost on are the cop apologists.
Exactly. You and others will lie cheat and steal also. It’s human nature. Always will be. 🙂
I am not annonymous. They killed him. My name is Gabrielle Weiler and I live in Simi Valley.
OMG are you for real? Dad disconnecting “Life Support” that means his life was not sustainable without support…he was “Brain Dead” as you seem to be “CopWantPension$$” I am sure your wife is just waiting for you to be beat to death so that she may collect millions of dollars as well…isn’t that what we all want.
Only difference is my family didn’t abandon and give up on me years ago like Kelly’s parents did. Kelly’s record of assault and other crimes show he was a violent person, so much so that the entire family gave up on him years ago. So based on that it makes sense to unplug him if the option is there. They didn’t want to take care of him as a troubled teen and troubled adult, so why do it if he might survive with medical issues? Money is a much better option for papa.
At least you put some thought into this response unlike your many other responses. Again money would not be an issue or an option if Kelly had not died due to his injuries, he was on “Life Support” not in a coma. The only difference I still see is that your parent’s ended up with an apathetic sociopath, which is very sad. Unless it is all a front and you are hiding behind bravado.
the young man in the video is someone I know and is slightly mentally disabled.
Thank you for taking the time to use him. I hope that he testifies in court to make sure that the police that did this to Kelly get sent to prison, but I wish you would have never exposed him.
Eddie takes the bus all the time and walks the streets of Fullerton when he misses the bus.
If anything happens to Eddie your ass is grass Tony.
I agree, yes, lets get justice for Kelly, but be smart of who you are putting on youtube.
Use him? This guy approached us. Now he’s on his way to being a hero.
I can almost guarantee that the lawyers for these officers and private investigators hired by them will be threatening witnesses and combing through their backgrounds with a fine tooth comb.
Have a warrant?
On probation/parole?
Convicted sex offender?
In the country illegally?
Easily intimidated due to a disability?
…They’re going to be on you like ants on sugar.
I highly recommend that potential witnesses record all interviews and get the names of everyone they speak to regarding this.
If anything happens to Eddie? Like what? Another police murder? Gee, I would think that was the fault of the murderers.
This is why some volunteer atty needs to get these wits together in a secret place and depose them before they are knocked off by the PD mobsquad!
thank you, this is exactly what I am saying. You need to be protecting witnesses that are coming forward not exposing them to the goons.
I apologize if I came off wrong. I am a friend of eddies and NOW because of this video being published we are taking shifts to make sure he gets to and from say, where ever he is going.
Please Tony, people have seen the video, keep it private for a while so nothing happens to Eddie. There are some of us that care about him and some of us worry when he comes late to hang out now or worry when he does not come home on time.
However, do what you want Tony, your a grown man.
Independent review by who?
Has the City Manager taken out a hefty life insurance policy- with additional coverage for “homocide by cop”?
He’s reviewing policies and procedures. Big deal.
Looks like you may be getting a pink slip
It’s homicide, not homo-cide.
When the cops are above the law their are no citizens.
Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere
David Packham runs Injusticeeverywhere. He was a victim of Seattle police. All David does is gather daily misconduct news feeds and then quarterly or annually turns these newsfeeds into statistical data. He doesn’t get involved in this, he lives too far away anyhow!
“David Packham runs Injusticeeverywhere. He was a victim of Seattle police. All David does is gather daily misconduct news feeds and then quarterly or annually turns these newsfeeds into statistical data. He doesn’t get involved in this, he lives too far away anyhow!”
Wow, Fedup, I wouldn’t say ALL he does is create statistics. His Worst Police Misconduct Videos is a pretty clear indicator Kelly Thomas’ murder by FPD was not an isolated occurrence in the USA.
It seems downright systemic. Scary stuff. Sure hope Fullerton is successful at bringing the six animals to justice, and hope this is the harbinger of things to come for violence crazed adrenaline junkies cops (who I like to believe are still in the minority!) But, this looks like a serious infection in American Law Enforcement and needs to be cauterized immediately. Personally, I believe starting with better educated cops is a beginning, but ‘IQ’ tests to determine rational cognitive ability, and regular psych evalutions for stress related mental health issues would help keep incidents of unwarranted police violence to a minimum. It is also in the best interests of the officers, as police in general seem to have difficulties with normal human interaction (like healthy family lives, and everyday dealings with non-criminals). I’m not saying they all do all the time, but it seems widespread enough to me that they need professional monitoring and assistance coping. Police training for dealing with the mentally ill? Sounds like they should have training in how to ‘subdue’ their fellow officers who lose it and become ultra-violent first. No healthy rational cop should have any problem with this. However, I imagine it scares heck out of the psychotic and sociopathic ones. If a schizophrenic like Kelly Thomas feared treatment, how much harder would psychopaths and sociopaths resist it?
XER, SORRY TO APPEAR TO BE MINIMIZING DAVID PACKHAM’S INVOLVEMENT WITH MISCONDUCT. WHAT HE DOES IS PROVIDE A GREAT SERVICE, ONE THAT LE SHOULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. I SEND HIM NEWSFEED NEARLY EVERY DAY FROM OUR AREA. THIS MISCONDUCT ISSUE IS A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK!
I CONCUR WITH THE HIRING OF BETTER EDUCATED COPS, BUT DEGREES IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE OR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION ARE GIVE AWAY DEGREES. NOTHING TO GETTING THESE THINGS. SORT OF LIKE GOING TO THIRD RATE LAW SCHOOLS LIKE SOME OF THE POSEURS ON THESE BOARDS. I HATE CRACK POT ATTY’S AS BAD AS I HATE BAD COPS.
THE HIRING PROCESS AS WE KNOW IT, AND I CAN SAY I KNOW IT PRETTY WELL. IT’S A JOKE! YOU GET HIRED ONTO THE JOB IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE, YOU GET HIRED WITH FAILED POLYGRAPHS, FAILED WRITTEN PSYCHS OR ORAL EVALS, YOU GET HIRED IF YOU’RE A PHYSICAL DEFECT, LIKE CINCINELLI OR IF YOU HAVE A SKETCHY BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION OUTCOME. YOU FAIL THE ACADEMY THEY LET YOU COME BACK TO TRY AGAIN.
YOU ATTEMPT SUICIDE, THEY KEEP YOU WORKING AS IF YOU ARE MENTALLY OKAY TO CARRY A WEAPON.
WE ARE PAYING FOR THE ACLU, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, DUMBED DOWN PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND WHAT COMMIE UNIONS HAVE BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY. OBUMMER IS GATHERING HIS BROWN SHIRTS AS WE SPEAK!
Since so many of our kids are stepping up and getting involved in protesting Kelly’s death, we should assign a FCC watch, to protest Sellars return to the classroom coming this fall.
DROP THE CLASS!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44068690/ns/local_news-orange_county_ca/
http://laoir.com/MGennaco.html
Michael Gennaco came to OIR from the Office of the United States Attorney, where he served as Chief of the Civil Rights Section. In that position, Mr. Gennaco was responsible for overseeing all police misconduct, hate crimes, and involuntary servitude investigations and prosecutions for the Central District of California. He also served as the federal civil rights liaison for community and public interest groups and federal and local law enforcement agencies.
Prosecutions and investigations that Mr. Gennaco has been involved in included the prosecution of Buford Furrow, Jr., for his racially motivated killing of a postal carrier and anti-Semitic shootings of four children and one adult at the North Valley Jewish Community Center, the Thai El Monte garment slaveshop case, the UC Irvine and Cal State Los Angeles Internet hate e-mail prosecutions, and the prosecution of an INS detention enforcement officer for using excessive force. The Furrow prosecution was the first federal prosecution involving dual allegations of hate motivation and domestic terrorism. The UCI prosecution was the first federal prosecution of a hate crime perpetrated over the Internet. As Chief of the Civil Rights Section, Mr. Gennaco also oversaw prosecutions of officers from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, the Los Angeles Police Department, and the Adelanto Police Department.
Prior to working at the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Mr. Gennaco served for ten years as a trial attorney with the Civil Rights Division in Washington, D.C. While there, Mr. Gennaco successfully prosecuted an LAPD officer for using excessive force and false arrest and was involved in prosecuting numerous other hate crimes and police misconduct cases. Mr. Gennaco also served for two years in the Voting Section of the Division where he litigated voting discrimination cases.
Mr. Gennaco is a graduate of Dartmouth College and received his Doctorate of Jurisprudence from Stanford Law School. He has also taught as an adjunct professor at American University Law School, George Washington University School of Law, Loyola Law School, and Chapman College of Law.
Mr. Gennaco is the eldest of five children born to Mr. Armand Gennaco and Ms. Marie Padilla. Prior to becoming an attorney, Mr .Gennaco taught elementary and high school in Arizona public schools. Largely as a result of his multi-ethnic upbringing and the encouragement of his family and his mentor, the Hon. Thomas Tang, for whom Mr. Gennaco served as a law clerk, Mr. Gennaco has dedicated his entire legal career to the protection of civil rights.
he sure walked the Mitrice case out the door. hes a cop hack
I heard it, But it’s still murder…. You need to listen to the entire interview….. That means the whole thing in case you needed the instructions…
Did anyone actually listen to the interview today? I mean the whole interview?,,, Well it sounds like the FPD make it a practice to arrest people with camera’s… Why would they take the camera? Oh yea, So they could destroy as much evidence as possible… See, that’s how you dis the Fullerton 6…. And I didn’t even have to use any swear words. I highly doubt that the D. A will file any serious charges in this case. Did you hear him stammer on John and Ken today? Now there claiming There are some things you can see and some things you can’t see….. Well that’s what happens when you edit the video for your friend Sellers.
There is no doubt in my mind that they’ve altered the video. Its a shame the FBI didnt grab everything before the DA got a hold of it.
Gennaco and his OIR-office of independent review are about as independent as Mickey Mouse is of Disneyland. It is my opinion and others that he helps to downplay bad police behavior in LA. Wonder what that might say about the City Manager?
Good point the city manager has a good 150k job going and if ran out of town with 3 blind mice +1 not looking real good on resume “past job experiance” Fullerton Manager”
All these leaders in Fullerton to little to late the police has had it’s way in this town for past 50+ years and they all signed the check$….clean house all must go start over clean slate
Gennaco is a honorable man, but look at how many times the Sheriff of LA County ignores him. He tries to effect change within the system, which for better or worse may not be as effective as external change.
cal i know Gennaco, he seems honorable, but I am leery of him and how some cases don’t get resolved the right way. Baca is the problem end of story!
Be skeptical about Gennaco. I know him, and have had issues about the way certain cases have been handled. Why hire Gennaco when they could hire Stephen Connolly from OC OIR? Connolly I have had run in with and in my informed opine, he is unethical and sleezy!
John and Ken are keeping this case from being swept under the rug. It’s going to be different this time.
From what he said on Fox 11 news I don’t think shit is going to happen. Stay angry Fullerton and demand justice. Don’t be pussies and back down. London isn’t.
Never trust Fullerton Polices, City Councils, Mayors, City Manager, Police Associations, and Orange County District Attorneys with their cronies. Investigation is only a show and they will wait us out.
London and Israel would not take it and neither will we!
Is anyone worried most of the witnesses are parloees?
Those witnesses will never make the stand. Either will witnesses with prior hate for police. Their stories will be ripped apart and would ruin the case. Another reason the video will never be released. People will watch it and come forward and say they saw the incident too. People that said they saw it already only saw small portions and are hoping the parts they made up are true. If the video was released that would be exactly what they would say. Glad the video will never come out. Makes the case that much more based on facts and actual witnesses, rather than all the lies, rumors, and other Bs people are spewing.
hey , you sound a lot like pappa$$uk$DIK. just how many screen names are you using? you aren’t fooling anyone. why not just be honest and use “pigcrack eating troll” instead of overtaxing your decaying excuse for grey-matter trying to sound like numerous pig supporters. who are you? one of the pig
‘s whores or are you the sorry excuse for a chief? why don’t you just put your pig$$hit eating mouth to good use and blow a .357mag? you and creatures like you make me puke!!!
All of these comments are being made by the same guy.
I wondered about that.
Yes sir. Thank you.
Instead of worrying about wits being parolees, worry about dirty cops not being parolees!
oh yes they will…
He is monitoring this wite, and PURPOSELY misspelling…trust me on that, you think we are dumm dickhead (not you Gonzo ;))
# 19 “Anonymous”….you had her delete the video didn’t ya… you and “mr.boo” are digging yourselves a deep, deep grave 🙂
Hey piggy….u trying to make a list with your fellow swine to see who votes the plea??? LMFAO
No pleas. Trial for two. They will get off. List is short.
# 44 Jack—did ya ever think she was paid??? Money talks! duh.
Good point. Alot of people will be paid off and never heard from again.
# 97-the pigs are hiding out in hotels and YES! They ARE shaking in their boots… give this time guys, the evidence is about to present itself….watch…
LOL you wish. No one is hiding anywhere. Who would they be scared of? Talkers like you? Not a chance. They are all armed and on vacation laughing at losers like you.
SLIDEBAR is in BIG trouble…..just watch …..the fucker who called will be killed
You wish. You are making stuff up again. Keep it up. That’s the only way you get your uneducated followers to listen. Lies and BS. Go to the bar and tell him how u feel. You might end up like Kelly.
Wow that says allot doesn’t it! That same tough ass bully attitude where you throw your weight around and not your brains…not that I am saying you have any. No need to Guessmenot
the only thing that would shock me is if he’s still alive. you know the pigs are desperate to cover their tracks- especially as pig$hit rolls uphill. i’d hate to be low scape piggy on the totem pole, much less a slidebar civilian that could fit them for a RICO necktie. those kind of pigs wouldn’t think twice about “disappearing” 20 civilians to save one little piggy.
Oink
What a shocker
I AM THINKING THAT THE PERSON OR PERSON’S WHO MADE A BOGUS CALL TO THE COPS WOULD BE CULPABLE IN KELLY’S MURDER? WITHOUT THAT CALL. IF INDEED THERE WAS EVER ONE MADE, THIS SETS UP A CASE FOR PROXIMATE CAUSE. BUT FOR THAT CALL BEING MADE, KELLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MURDERED.
too short for YOU, not me 🙂 ANd yeah, don’t be a pussy and use more than 1 screen name, we are watching…..
Duh
LMAO! SHaking in YOUR boots….if you were so sure I was making anything up you wouldn’t have to prove it now would ya. oink oink get the lube dude.
Prove what? I don’t care about the bar or the call. DA will have the call. I don’t need to prove anything.
Except that you will not be someone’s bitch once you are in jail.
And I’ll be enjoying it 🙂
yo guessmenot, learn to use proper grammar, you might get some attention. and stoppppp using double negatives!
vacation at the Slidebar, gotta stay close cuz they gonna be called real, real, real, real soon. Ya uneducated dope. You might end up like Kelly as well, but far worse……watch your back my friend
You are clueless. The beach is plenty close. Cruise up, get booked, bail out, back to the beach.
and they aren’t the only ones armed asshole … ~~[[[[[[[[
Sounds fun. Let me join.
their nothing but punks. they’re only tough when it’s 6 fat pigs against a 135 pound unarmed, non-resisting and for most of the beating to death, unconscious Kelly. it really, really is pathetic that the pathetic fat-a$$ chief LIED and claimed Kelly was a SCARRRRY 165 pound danger to his 1500 pounds of fat-a$$ pigs. what did they do- pump 30 pounds of I-V fluid into him for the 5 days he was in their beating induced coma? here piggy, piggy, piggy- i can help you lose some of that evil fat. you would be amazed how effective a 12 ga. enema can be. just completely eliminates the donut cravings. instead of donut cops you could be nonut cops…..oh my bad , you already are, YOU ARE NONUTS COPS!!! suks to be you, donit. ROLFLMAO! No, really you wouldn’t even miss it- it’s just fat-cause the whole word has seen on youtube that you have NO guts. go ahead barney, eat your one bullet, you cowards damn you!! Sorry, my apologies to the memory of Don Knotts, he had more guts and integrity than the whole fpd cowards’ convention.
You are pretty tough behind a screen. Looks like the cops are getting the best of you. Clear stress. Seek help.
nah the pigs ain’t getting the best of anyone. karma isn’t a fat ugly crack whore like your wife- karma’s kickin’ a$$ on these stupid pigs, they’re just to stupid to know it. and karma isn’t picky, good cop- bad cop she DOESN”T CARE because if there were truly good cops they would not enable the blatant bad cops. they aren’t good cops-they’re just pu$$ys. there is an epidemic of police corruption but karma is pouring on the disinfectant. yep, it’s kind of personal with me, i’ve been screwed over by pigs and their butthole-buddys hiding behind their badges and guns when it’s 2 to 1 or more and in the case of hillsborough county,fl sherriff’s punk-a$$ pu$$y “son” weston outweighs me by at least twice(don’t believe my description, just google the putz an you’ll see his FHP academy pictures with him crying from the tear gas chamber) yeah, he was real tough putting me in cuffs in front of my little kids to try to cover for his punk buddy robert s. cook that was so stupid he clipped us playing jackass bike on I-4 at 100mph with his butthole-buddy lablance. these idiots make cledus hogg look like einstein. i truly don’t believe i could deliberately screw up the crash report as much as weston and his co-florida highway pooper, occifer bunkley. he was so nervous falsifying the report to exclude the involvement of lablance because he had outstanding warrants, that they put me down as the driver of lablance’s black bike – that wasn’t there. also, the 5 passengers in the 98 grand marquis-were all riding on inbreeder cook’s motorcyle(which he was driving without a license)-i guess the merc was driving itself.there were too many lies and impossibilities to list here. to sum up a twisted account of corruption, the morning of the day they fixed his ticket,karma collected payment to the tune of the lives of the 17 year-old son of a senior cop at that courthouse and a 15 year old girl on the way to spend the night at his house. karma is one harsh bit*h-google LEO fatalities in the tampa bay area since june 14, 2008. i pity the children, the corrupt pigs-not much. personal outrage at criminal police: yes, personal physical acts of vengeance:not yet. the poor stupid cops don’t get it that for every wronged citizen that doesn’t retaliate-karma will extract payment tenfold and she’s really getting rolling and the thing is: there are way more citizens being wronged than there are cops to be rendered up to retribution. sucks to be you if you’re on the wrong side of karma.
You have serious issues. You will have a rough life. Maybe they will beat you too and ur papa can sue for millions in ur memory? Lol
copied August 06, 2011
D.A. # 4400/tm//224
Ditto.
Oh Brother.
🙂
The guys at the FPD are breaking the law every single day. Read the scope of the Freedom of Information Act, and let me know what you think regarding the fact that the name of the six bastards has been revealed yet:
“The act explicitly applies only to executive branch government agencies. These agencies are under several mandates to comply with public solicitation of information. Along with making public and accessible all bureaucratic and technical procedures for applying for documents from that agency, agencies are also subject to penalties for hindering the process of a petition for information. If “agency personnel acted arbitrarily or capriciously with respect to the withholding, [a] Special Counsel shall promptly initiate a proceeding to determine whether disciplinary action is warranted against the officer or employee who was primarily responsible for the withholding.”[6] In this way, there is recourse for one seeking information to go to a Federal court if suspicion of illegal tampering or delayed sending of records exists. However, there are nine exemptions, ranging from a withholding “specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy” and “trade secrets” to “clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.”
THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOES NOT APPLY TO OBTAINING PERSONNEL RECORDS OF COPS. A “PITCHESS MOTION” HAS TO BE FILED AND A JUDGE HAS TO DETERMINE IF THESE RECORDS ARE IMPORTANT TO A CASE. SOMETIMES THIS MOTION IS DENIED BY JUDGES.
Sorry, I meant “hasn’t”
I want to mention a shameful Chris Thompson moment that happened at the second protest, before any major media attention had developed. At this point, there were only a handful of protestors. Chris called all the protestors to listen to him, even though he did nothing to organize the protest, never held a sign, and jetted off within 20 minutes, I assume to beat the heat. He called everyone together to say he was concerned that protestors had the word “murder” on their signs, claiming he wasnt sure if Kelly had been murdered (then dont show up at the protest idiot). Of course he was completely wrong on this point. He then suggested that instead we should hold up anti-union signs. To say the least we were all disgusted, with several protestors muttering for Thompson to beat it, only staying calm in respect for Kelly’s family. Please Chris, keep politics out of this, your display was pitiful, shameful, and most certainly gutless.
Murder is what Ron Thomas is using – heck he even suggested the death penalty, or first degree premeditated murder. Barring any evidence of a FPD officer stating that they wanted to get Kelly Thomas – and if you do have that, please tell the DA and FBI ASAP – this is probably a voluntary manslaughter conviction. Then again, if the victim’s father thinks it’s murder, then if someone else agrees, they should be able to put their sign.
At a certain point those cops knew one more blow could kill the guy.. they knew it.. in their hearts and minds they knew they were killing him and he knew (I will be from previous experiences with them) that they were going to kill him that night.
ONE OR TEN MORE BLOWS WOULD NOT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. THEY HAD ALREADY CAUSED SUFFICIENT DAMAGE TO KELLY ITHAT HE WAS ALREADY CLINICALLY DEAD BEFORE PUTTING HIM INTO THE AMBULANCE. PARAMEDICS COULD NOT DO ANYTHING FOR HIM EXCEPT HOOK HIM UP TO IV’S AND TRANSPORT HIM. HE WAS DECLARED DEAD LEGALLY FIVE DAYS POST INCIDENT. KELLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A VEGETABLE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
THERE’S NO VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER FOR THIS CASE. PREMEDITATED MURDER MORE LIKE IT.
http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/616/JK0808115P_1312853434_9021.mp3
Sounds like the OCDA is having a hard time tip-toeing through the bullsh*t.
you don’t have a papa- you only exist because cesspool scumcells divide rapidly when in the midst of an ample supply of $hit- generously deposited on your head by your pig buddys.
Brilliant. You should run for President.
Fullerton is not a stable business environment.
Racer X – even the CA attorney general and the Fullerton city attorney believe the officer names should be released.
http://www.jones-mayer.com/clientalerts/ca2311060508.htm
Great work, researcher.
Did you read the whole thing? It doesn’t say that they believe the names should be released at all.
“There are multiple reasons which would justify the withholding of the identity of an officer involved in official activity. The CPRA recognizes that such situations could arise and includes, among other things, justifications based upon the need to be able to complete the investigation of an incident; the need to provide for the safety of an officer involved in such activity; or the need to protect the identity of an undercover police officer. As such, it is imperative that a law enforcement agency seek out advice and guidance from its legal counsel in determining whether or not the disclosure of an officer’s name who was involved in a critical incident could, or should, be disclosed to the public. Additionally, the timing of such disclosure, if it is going to occur, must also be considered.”
please , please don’t put the po-po in lock-up. they make better targets walking around in the open—okay, so they’ll be cowering in a roach motel. that still a better target than in a crowded cell where honest criminals might get hurt-dragon’s breath 12s or bolo shells don’t really have a tight group, not highly accurate but unforgiving at close range-disemboweled and barbecued in 2 shots- hey the maggots need to eat too.
There will be plenty out there for you to talk smack to. Even though you can only do that behind a monitor.
not hardly piggy, piggy, piggy and/or piggy crack eater. there is NOTHING i’ve said on here i haven’t said to their faces- and a lot more. you see the criminal ones are all pretty much cowards unless the numbers are in their favor-pretty much like hyenas-you know the scavengers. and by logical definition they are REALLY stupid to be criminal because when their actions catch up to them they know that they will be really outnumbered in prison and as low as a pedophile is in prison, a crooked cop is even lower-funny thing about that is,here in the tampa bay area we’ve had quite a few pedophile predator cops busted. and any cop in this area with half a brain cell that reads my posts knows who i am and they know i speak the truth. a lot of them take pride in their stupidity and gang mentality in a beavis and butthead kind of way. now stay in your crack house and hope someone doesn’t step on your itty-bitty head and spill out crap that passes for your brains-as bad they stink inside your head i am sure they would stink much worse outside you skull.
When you play footsies with the hogs, bad things happen – look what you a-holes caused. You set this big snowball in motion and need to suffer like the rest of the city is.
Just a thought, Heard DA Recaucus saying he didnt see evidence of 1st murder-couldnt have Uniball (cicenelli) finish him off cause he didnt want any eyewitnesses especially from the person himself-could explain why he didnt use his gun
I doubt the cops were worried one way or another. They beat him bad enough that even if he hadn’t died, he would’ve been comatose for life.
Either they set up Thomas for a beating (Slider Bar 911 call) or it was a slow action night and he unfortunately was available for some “rough justice”.
How long did it take for the ambulance to be allowed to leave?
i saw one of the EMT’s post on here 17 plus mins because they were waiting for the watch commander to arrive and he never did so they took off
However, a criminal investigation, which is conducted to determine whether or not the individual complied with laws of California, would not constitute a personnel matter and would be no more confidential than if it were a criminal investigation of the activities of any individual member of society.
Here is an interesting video about the sequence of purported events that night,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_NDDB-esqU&feature=related
That was sickening. I reposted it in the new article in case it gets missed here.
Thanks for the link.
Try this one on for size!Many in California are asking whether local police went too far this week, with reports that they used a taser on a legless man in a wheelchair.
The police were investigating a domestic violence complaint, and say that the man, Gregory Williams was being uncooperative. But Williams insists he was unarmed and doing nothing to justify this treatment, in which he says he was also humiliated as he fell out of his wheelchair and was left handcuffed on the ground with his pants hanging down. Williams is Black and the officers are White but there’s been no word on how race may be involved in the incident.
A lot of people have concerns about whether police are over-using tasers these days, and asking whether police arrest procedures need to be reformed with tighter regulations on when tasers are used, as seen from the California ACLU here and Amnesty International here.
Whatever the details turn out to be for this unarmed & legless man in a wheelchair getting tasered, I hope authorities wull continue to take a close look at how tasers can be properly used and not overused.
California Police Taser Legless Man in Wheelchair VIDEO
boston herald
The Merced Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division is investigating whether an officer twice used a Taser on an unarmed, wheelchair-bound man with no legs. The man who was Tased, Gregory Williams, 40, a double-leg amputee, spent six days in jail on suspicion of domestic violence and resisting arrest, but the Merced County District Attorney’s office hasn’t filed any charges…
California Police Taser Legless Man in Wheelchair
Posted at September 21, 2009 2:31 PM
Kelly was for all intents and purposes dead in the ambulance.
i visited the crime scene this past Sunday. Wits say that Kelly had just eaten dinner at a nearby restaurant, and he was picking up cigarette butts near where he was beaten. Kelly had not been casing cars in the parking lot. He had been sitting on a bus bench when cops approached him.
Kelly was heard telling the cops he didn’t do anything wrong and at this point he flees about 40 ft., to where the cops downed him and commenced to beating him.
The cops had no “probable cause” to stop or detain Kelly. The cops did not observe Kelly in any wrongdoing. The cops did not bring the caller who reported to police that someone was breaking into vehicles to the scene to ID Kelly.
Furthermore, the cops lacking authority to detain Kelly had no probable cause or a search warrant to go into Kelly’s backpack.
WE WANT TO SEE AND HEAR:
VIDEO FROM STATION CAMERA.
THE AUDIO FROM POLICE STATION 911 CALLS OR BUSINESS DESK PHONES REPORTING THE 459 TO AUTOS.
WE WANT TO KNOW THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF AUTO BURGLAR!
POLICE REPORTS OF BURGLARIZED CARS IN THAT PARKING LOT.
THE INCIDENT REPORTS FROM THE 6 COPS AND SUPERVISOR AT HOMICIDE SCENE.
PHOTOS OF THE CRIME SCENE. WE WANT TO SEE THE PHOTOS OF POOLED BLOOD AT THE BEATING SIGHT.
WE WANT PHOTOS OF KELLY HANDCUFFED AFTER HE WAS BEATEN INTO UNCONSCIOUSNESS.
PHOTOS OF THE TASERS USED AFTER THE WERE USED AS AN INSTRUMENT OF DEATH. BLOOD AND TISSUE ON TASER GUNS IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THE POLICE VIDEO WAS SECURED AND ARCHIVED. HAS IT BEEN ALTERED AND SCENES DELETED?
WE NEED TO SEE PHOTOS OF OFFICER CLOTHING AND APPEARANCE AFTER THE INCIDENT.
WE WANT TO SEE PHOTOS OF THE OFFICER’S HANDS TO SEE WHAT DAMAGE THEIR HANDS HAD INFLICTED ON THEM WHILST BEATING KELLY.
WE NEED TO SEE EMERGENCY ROOM REPORTS FROM DOCTORS AND NURSES WHO TREATED KELLY.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT CIVILIAN RECORDING DEVICES WERE ILLEGALLY CONFISCATED BY POLICE. WERE THESE DEVICES LOGGED IN ON EVIDENCE REPORT FORMS?
WE NEED TO SEE THE INVENTORY OF PROPERTY FOUND IN KELLY’S BACKPACK. OR, DID THEY JUST THROW HIS PROPERTY AWAY? HE DOESN’T NEED IT ANYMORE NOW DOES HE?
WE NEED TO SEE THE SUPERVISOR’S-WATCH COMMANDER’S INCIDENT REPORTS.
WE WANT TO SEE THE MEDICAL RECORDS OF INJURED OFFICERS.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PD WAS DOING WITH AND TO EVIDENCE FOR THREE WEEKS POST INCIDENT.
WE WANT TO SEE DISCIPLINE HISTORIES OF OFFICERS INVOLVED.
WE WANT TO KNOW HOW PERSONNEL COMPLAINTS AGAINST THESE GUYS WERE HANDLED.
WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR TRAINING AND OR LACK OF IT.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE CHIEF WAS NOTIFIED OF THE INCIDENT, AND WHAT HE DID ABOUT IT,
WE WANT TO KNOW IF FULLERTON PD HAS IT’S OWN CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION UNIT OR DID THEY UTILIZE THE SHERIFF’S FORENSIC PEOPLE?
JUST A MINOR LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT DEMAND ANSWERS TO.
You aren’t getting any of this. You will see some during trial. That’s it. Learn the process. Nice try though.
The Fullerton officers who did these things are cowards and bullies. First, six of them beat a man to death (though those same six could certainly have restrained and hand-cuffed him – only an idiot police booster pussy would argue otherwise); then, one of them illegally bullies a woman out of her cellphone, thus tampering with evidence.
Is this an example of Fullerton’s finest? If it is, the city should call it a day and bulldoze itself.
I just heard about this from a friend and was sickened, disgusted! I hope that the protest’s continue and get even larger and those bullies get what they deserve. My heart broke when I heard him calling for his father. I will never trust a cop.
A homeless man today at Fullerton Transportation Center, that spent time in Laguna Beach {when Sellers was Chief there}, that Sellers was known as “The Butcher” [as it pertained to his commands to officers treatment of the homeless there!
ahhh- Josepf Sellers Mengele-interesting annoymous
Do we know if any patient told by doctor(s) to be “brain dead” (anywhere in the world), later lived {a miracle}. The point being if it has happened one time than doctors have no right to play God, plus family has no right to give permission to the doctor(s) to “pull the plug”. If it was my son, I would not have given permission to “pull the plug”.
Nope, not a lawyer. Always wanted to go to law school though. People might hate Glenn Beck , but I thank him for the education on our gov’t and Constitution he provided to his audiences. I also have law enforcement education, experience, and have done investigations into deputy misconduct, a couple of them resulted in death at hands of out of control cops!
I sure hope your education isn’t limited to what you’ve heard on Glen Beck.
Police don’t need “probable cause” to detain someone in a public place, they only need “reasonable suspicion” to stop someone, pat him down and arrest him for anything found on his person.
Regardless of what everyone has been focusing in on, this case is not going to turn on the probable cause for the initial “stop-and-frisk”; it’s going to turn on the degree of force used by the officers. The issues will be limited to:
1) what degree of force was warranted in the situation;
2) what degree of force was used; and
3) whether or not the degree of force used exceeded the degree that was warranted.
Hopefully, any right-minded jury will see that the degree of force used was grossly excessive, rising to the level of felony battery. If that can be proven, the officers will be found guilty of murder.
I’ve never represented a police officer at trial, but I have successfully represented citizens who’ve fought the police and argued that they were merely defending themselves against excessive force.
Gonzo thank you. Most factual and correct post I have seen.
Just like OJ and Casey were presumed guilty, so will the two cops. Just don’t be surprised by the verdict.
Gonz, I had hoped that your having gone to law school might have had a pre-req of knowing how to read and properly analyze what is written. Lawyers are some of the most Ill equipped people for functioning in the real world. You are one of them. I hold a Master’s degree, and several AA’s. What I have accomplished in my educational endeavors outweighs your puny JD.
Jerk I did not say, and you may want to refresh your memory, Glenn Beck was my teacher on the law. I said Glenn opened my eyes as to what our Constitution is about! You should try reading it some time! Jackass any further comments by you will be ignored by me! BTW. Are you posting on this blog and charging your clients on their billable hours for your long winded rants?
Just correcting some factual misstatements, dickhead. No need to get personal. I don’t come down to wherever you work and slap the spatula out of your hand.
There seem to be a lot of barroom attorneys chiming in with misconceptions. I’m doing what I can to focus anyone who cares on the real issues.
Now go get yourself another AA (don’t they hand those out in cracker jack boxes?).
Gonzo, question re “I’ve never represented a police officer at trial, but I have successfully represented citizens who’ve fought the police and argued that they were merely defending themselves against excessive force.” what was the outcome of that? what happened to the cops-what kind of force? thanks-whatever you can dscuss would be great
Awesome post “fedupwithmorons” [#244]. Are you a (constitutional) lawyer? This proves that these police thought they were “law”. Not to diminish this tragedy, BUT do you think these goons would have treated him differently if he was clean shaven, wearing a 3 piece suit and carrying a brief case, PLUS talked legalize???
Of course they would have treated him differently if he was wearing a suit. But then, cops have been known to thump
On lawyers. This iPhone is driving me nuts!
weird ,, it posts out of order,
i guess the whole system needs to go out of order , to its own fatal destruction ,
ORGANIC , NATURAL , LIFE,
not metal bars and man made shit,
CHIKEN
“weird ,, it posts out of order,”
Yeah, I’ve been noticing that for days, not every time, but more than isolated incidents. FPD hackers ya’ think? heheheh Like they’ve got enough brain cells between all of ’em. Seriously, you look at the level of reasoning in their supporters’ posts, and have to marvel that these uneducated half wits are entrusted with the responsibility of making life and death decisions. That, my friend, scares the Dickens out of me, for you that is. Our cops are waaay smarter than yours. Your cops drag their knuckles on the ground. The guy who hired them all should be on trial right along with the six. He is as culpable as they, as is the Chief for condoning ultra violence during arrests, and generally harassing civilians. Quite a mess you people have to clean out down there. Good luck with that. It won’t be quick, so might as well be thorough.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
(About the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group)
It’s time to wake up
Patti:
Thank you. I have been trying to remember that quote for several days!
The quote is especially relevant in Kelly Thomas’ case too. People need to think, and think hard. The police were allegedly following a policy implicitly condoned by the City Council which is a body elected by the general population. Evidently the City Council believed, rightly or wrongly, they were doing the Will of The People. If this is NOT what The People want they should speak out, and any Fullertonian who does not stand against this act of disgusting cowardly violence is implying their approval of it. Time for the public there to get up from their TV couches, put down their beers and pick up signs to carry at the next protest. Otherwise their hands are as bloody as the hands of the Six. Just sayin.’
Thanks again for the quote reminder.
atb,
Xer
I first heard this quote years ago when the Feds began openly stripping the population of their civil rights (as opposed to the slow, stealthy erosion that had been occurring under a thick veil of obfuscation for years) under the false banner of “security”. Keep the population scared of some invisible, imaginary boogey-man and they will literally beg for big daddy with the badge and the title to protect them and keep them “safe” from “them” – whoever the current “enemy of the hour” happens to be – right now it happens to be a young man with some mental issues who chose a life on the streets.
I personally felt much safer in my home with Kelly on the streets than with any of the FPD right now. Just the simple fact that they are not on the street corner standing with us, stating that they DO NOT support their fellow officers behavior is enough for me to question and distrust all of them. If there are “good” and “honest” cops in Fullerton, they should be coming forward and standing with us instead of hiding behind their badge and some juvenile “code”.
As the police become less and less inclined to serve and protect those who actually need it and more and more inclined to play lap-dog for the powers that be, we are all at risk. Our freedom, our civil liberties, and now, apparently, our very survival. Therefore, I do not believe that this is just an issue for those of us who live in Fullerton (and I believe this situation has certainly woken some people up), but everywhere throughout the world.
If the council will not do our will in this matter, we may need to make it clear that since we cannot feel safe in our own community, we may need to start supporting businesses in other towns. We may need to start policing the police with our hand-held recorders and video phones. We may need to take our own protection into our own hands and hit them where it hurts.
But I beg that we stay calm and peaceful and not stoop to the strong-arm, name-calling, hate-filled tactics that are employed by those who would oppress us. As Gandi said:
First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
We must raise our voices and unequivocally state that we will not allow our community or our country to be run any longer by thugs and criminals.
“This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang, but with a wimper.” – Eliot
Let your voice be heard!
Check out this video….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBYjdN4ae5w
Hey Goner, they did not run him out, Just murdered him. Very sweet cops!!
Police preventing citizens, using their POWER OVER THE CITIZENS, Armed Warriors forcing TAX PAYING CITIZENS to turn over their private cell phones to prevent from being video taped doing … what ever they are doing@!!!!
Are Americans’ going to stand by and allow the Corrupt Law Enforcement, Judicial, Legislative and Administrative TYRANTS of this nation to RULE OVER THEM?
Hey Goner: SHUT UP. I work at a downtown business, one that my owner is at every single day of the week. He Saw Kelly three to five days a week over the past several years. NEVER ONCE did Kelly ever say or do anything aggressive. NEVER ONCE did Kelly ask for change or anything. My owner voluntarily gave him cigarettes every time he saw him and KElly would mumble thanks and move on. yes, he was a sketchy-looking guy–few “professional” homeless make the cover of GQ. But you’re probably a pasty fat-ass who doubles over every time you go up a flight of stairs. Apparently the Slidebar staff had an issue with Kelly, but I wonder if that bar–which truly is filled iwth douchebag customers and employees–actively antognized the mentally ill guy. Whatever the case, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talkign about so shut up and go away.,
LOL go back to school little kid. You will see reality someday when you grow up.
Six sadistic bastards, that killed a person that no one in this community had a bad thing to say. KEEP THE FOCUS PEOPLE on the real culprits—the pigs, and the government that pays their salaries!!!!
To the commenter known as…
PapaWants$$, Reality Is, Fullerton, Goner, UrAMoron, NoWorries, Tough Guy, Oh Hello There, Guessmenot, Fullerton Nut, Donut Muncher, Paul, Papa Didn’t Care, Doinkers, PinkHotDogs, Respect, PapaKellyIsAGoldDigger, GetAClue, etc.
…please pick one name and stick to it.
PinkHotDogs? Really? Freud would have a field day with that one. Darn!
As for selecting just one internet handle from such a menu, I would suggest Respect as that is what I believe this individual truly craves, but has never received. Sometimes a badge and gun can garner fear, but are no guarantor of Respect
Thank you!!
LOL finally admin, was wondering when you’d call that box of tools out.
#285 by Reality Is on August 9, 2011
Looks like no one loved you when you were young. Probably nobody still does. Could explain why you are so twisted up inside? Either that or you should be on meds. Do they even have effective meds for sociopaths?
#288 by Reality Is on August 9, 2011
That was quick! Got to you, did I? For just a second you remembered what it used to be like to have human emotion? Bothered you enough for you to IMMEDIATELY post more mindless hate speech? Hopefully, someday they will invent drugs able to reduce the pain in your troubled soul.
You guys are SO lucky to have a corrupt DA to cover your tails. When the FBI finally steps in though, your pet DA won’t be enough.
Honestly, I do wish you well and hope you can somehow get the help you need. Of course you can’t believe that since no one has ever cared about you before, but I’m serious. Good luck with all that pain.
All the best,
Thank you.
she might be dead by now too. nobody ever saw her again.
@Reality…reality is…you’re an idiot!
goner!
why hasnt somone leaked the toxicology results? if there were drugs in his system i am quite sure we would have heard about it. broken bones? we would have seen a cop in a cast.
face it guys…you murdered a defenseless homeless man. just man up to it.
hates a pretty strong word there sally. i do not hate anyone.
does the slidebar have a pool tabe?
Toxicology isn’t completed yet.
You haven’t seen any of them walking around because they are all on paid leave at a beach house in Newport. Look for the two guys with casts.
Goner…code name “Boner” If you were enjoying your paid leave at the beach I am sure you would not have the time to keep posting these posts and changing your screen name.
Really? What else do you do sitting on the patio and sand enjoying the day? Wifi and relaxation. Perfect vacation.
Blogging? That is rather pathetic don’t you think? If I were on a Beach on Vacation I would not be giving you a second thought. I am gratified to know that you think of me enough to respond to my posts.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/KellyThomasPeacefulProtest/
this page is for people who want to support the family and want to better organize for the protests and vigils.
Letting one of the officers that commit the crime take the “evidence” into possession is ridiculous. He said it was “interfering with his investigation” which was actually a beating which caused the death of that man.
Yeah, and it’s kinda like letting poseur assclown attorneys on these boards to give their editorial comment here. The assclown should be working for his clients instead of wasting our time with his Obamanoid rhetoric. He more than likely is one of the assclown cops that got suspended! Blah!
Up admin. Guess you’ve never been to anything beyond high school. It takes a Bachelors’s in order to get a Master’s. You take the same lower division courses in community college that you do in a university! Blah! Think I accidentally stepped into a moron’s convention!
Brilliant retort. “A Masters and several AAs”? That guy thinks if you get enough junior college credits it counts as bachelor’s degree.
To post #100 I believe that when summoned to provide testimony in front of a Grand Jury you do not have the rght to remain silent any real Attorneys have an opinion?
Mp58. There are no real attorneys on these boards. However, I can answer your question, I researched it before replying. In a Federal Grand Jury you can not invoke the 5th Amendment against self incrimination. You may NOT have your attorney present while you are testifying.
In county Grand Juries, you may invoke the 5th if you could be incriminated by your answers. I believe you can have your atty present. I believe OJ had one at his GJ hearing when Nicole was murdered.
It would be great if a Federal Grand Jury indicted the cops thar killed Kelly!
BRILLIANT!
no hackjers cuz my firewall and other IT isn;t going off LOL This is all so very pathetic.
excuse me? I DO stick to one name and if you were tracking my IP, you would know, now do NOT get snippy with me….please! Thanks!
LOL 🙂
sorry 🙁 this is all getting me riled up. I thought guessme was there instead of guessmenot, the asshole who IS using more than 1 name, pinkhotdogs? OMG….seriously guys just pray for justice, these cops are just assholes, no name calling is going to change anything. Just keep fighting the good fight. I am moving out of this area very soon, it is a total joke!
@ #369>Sorry to tell you but fullerton is not the problem it is all over the USA it is a cancer here is some info from a previous poster it is a little long but at the end it all comes to light.
http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
CA is truly the Land of Fruits and Nuts!
Now you are telling truth and fact!
I believe its Guessmenot, not just guessme?
yes, I’m guess me, the smartass responded last night as “guessmenot”, the admin rocks, IP’s aren’t hard to catch, this person has the same one
I make it easier than that. I use the same email for him. 🙂
do you think this email is valid? LOL :)doneplayinggames@yahoo.com
Hey Kenton, if this is really you, is that “code of silence” so strong that even someone like you didn’t have the guts to taze Cyclops and stop this murder?
follow this on facebook as well. tell your everyone you know. spread the word. we won’t rest until these cops see justice.
Justice for Kelly Thomas:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Kelly-Thomas/202121386512154
It would be all about her, not Kelly T.
We should fire Fullerton Officials and Polices…
The Fed and Smart Polices released pictures and video. They caught fugitives within 2 days later at 3,000 miles away. Amazing..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44091088/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
You have nothing to hide…Does Release Video affects investigation?
ANTI PSYCH DRUGS;
Does the market have you thinking about getting a little pharmacological help to ease your jitters and lift your mood? Getting a prescription for Prozac is easier than you think. In fact, you can skip the appointment with a psychiatrist altogether.
A study released last week in Health Affairs journal found a growing trend of doctors who aren’t psychiatrists offering antidepressants to patients. The meds often get prescribed without any psychiatric diagnosis, simply to boost someone’s mood, relieve mild anxiety, or improve sleep. Worse yet, there’s no evidence these drugs actually help such patients.
All these questionable prescriptions helped make this class of drugs one of the most commonly prescribed in the U.S. In 2010, according to IMS Health data, antidepressants spending grew to $11.6 billion. The class was the second most prescribed after cholesterol regulators and heart meds, with nearly 254 million prescriptions.
It’s No Secret Who’s Really Smiling
The growth in antidepressant use brings a smile to at least one group of people: Big Pharma.
While Eli Lilly’s (LLY) Prozac has long lost its patent protection, U.S. Cymbalta sales for 2010 grew 9% to $2.8 billion, topping the $758 million mark in the most recent second quarter. Bristol-Myers Squibb’s (BMY) Abilify U.S. sales grew by 5% in the recent quarter, to 517 million. AstraZeneca’s (AZN) second-quarter U.S. sales of Seroquel IR gained 13%, to reach $889 million, while Seroquel XR grew 14% to $205 million. (Both Seroquel and Abilify are atypical antipsychotics approved by the FDA as adjunct treatments for depression that doesn’t respond to a selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor like Prozac or Zoloft alone.)
The study made no mention of any illegal marketing practices by pharmaceuticals that may have contributed to this trend, although such allegations regarding off-label marketing are certainly not foreign to AstraZeneca or Eli Lilly, among many others.
However, the study said that direct-to-consumer advertising could be causing patients to request the drugs. The U.S. and New Zealand are the only countries that allow advertising for prescription medications.
Do We Have a Drug Problem?
The researchers are concerned that this growing trend of non-psychiatrists prescribing antidepressants could mean that the drugs get prescribed inappropriately. They worry that patients who haven’t been properly diagnosed are not receiving the best care they need. The study suggests starting by educating physicians on mental disorders, the drugs, and their appropriate use.
The researchers also encourage patients to ask questions — lots of them, including questions about the diagnoses, the side effects, possible alternative treatments, and whether antidepressants are the right treatment for their problems in the first place.
Motley Fool contributor Melly Alazraki does not own shares in any of the companies mentioned.
ADMIN PLEASE DELETE THE LAST POST TOO MUCH PERSONAL INFO
I’m just curious why the Kelly Thomas incident has been left out of the Police Log for that day?
http://fullertonstories.com/police-log-july-3-9-2011/
Well, I guess this explains it. “Compiled by Jeanne Hoffa, with confirmations by Fullerton Police Sergeant Andrew Goodrich. Not a complete list of all police activity.”
Well that wasn’t a “complete list.” Its important that somebody jumped over a fence on South Lemon.
LA n OC or California citizens joint together to stop the police UNion and D.A they have to much power over the citizens. This STATE is turning in POLICE STATE, NOHumanRight for the citizens. what next your children and grandchildren being next in line to be in jail or kill by cops in the furture? fuck the nEws media they are not on citizens side they arent reporting fairly…
Who is this Jeanne Hoffa? The incident log should be easy to create from computerized data from 911calls, business desk, watch commander’s phone, department cell phones, and the police unit’s Mobile Digital Terminal(MDT). Why all of this hocus-pocus? Just be truthful and straightforward, we may be a little more forgiving!
When I heard that the real estate agent and the idiot witness just gave over their cameras and cell phones. I’m thinking, don’t you know your rights. I wouldn’t have given them my stuff. Besides I would have been a little more sneaky.
why hasn’t the citizens of Fullerton given their city an ultimatum for the tapes and the prosecution of these thugs? they should all surround the police department and demand this, and if the police department does not comply they should take over and arrest each officer as an accessory to the crime as well.
The people of the city outnumber the thugs on the police force.
They are just playing with the citizens now, the police chief is taking an extended vacation and keeping a low profile hoping this will blow off and everyone will forget it and his thug buddies can get a light sentence because of that. Stand Up Fullerton! Don’t be taken advantage of! Criminals like these Should Be Prosecuted!
Try it. Let me know how it goes. LOL
beating by cops in denver 2010
http://youtu.be/EfmjlEHA4Ug
From CNN/Justice:
His father, Ron, said Friday that four new witnesses to that struggle have come forward this week, and he notified the FBI and the Orange County district attorney of the new witnesses Thursday.
The four witnesses, who had been afraid to make themselves known, saw “100% of everything” and “100% of the nonstop beating to my son’s head” by police, Ron Thomas said. Two of the witnesses are a husband and wife, and they saw Kelly Thomas before his encounter with officers, when Thomas was “not bothering anyone, just walking,” his father said. The four witnesses approached the father Wednesday evening, he said.
“It’s real key,” Thomas said of the four witnesses’ accounts. “It substantiates a lot of facts. They’re very, very reliable people.”
The incident “goes so far beyond brutality,” the father said Friday.
When the police start terrorizing rather than protecting citizens something needs to be done. Regardless of how small a percentage these vicious “thugs with badges” constitute of the overall police force, one is too many. Additionally the system that allows justice to be dispersed blindly needs to be re-examined. The police need to be held accountable for their actions, and this code of silence thing needs to stop. The cover up in Fullerton is a primary example. The police chief would have done nothing if the you tube video and pictures of Kelly’s battered face had not been released. It’s disturbing that these officers are being paid with taxpayer’s money while they roam free. If this crime was committed by anyone others than cops they would be in jail right now. And for all the people justifying the officers actions with ridiculous arguments pertaining to Thomas’ toxicology, resistance to arrest, etc., try citing some empirical evidence instead of making blanket statements like “most cops are good,” or “they still do not know what the cause of death is.” If these officers had any type of moral conviction they would come forward and admit what happened rather than hide behind the legal system. Finally for the people trying to deflect the guilt away from the cops, chief, city council, and mayor and blame the Thomas family for this tragedy: Kelly Thomas was a grown man who made the decision to stay off his medication and live on the streets. Like the officers who beath Thomas to death, you must not understand you can not force anyone, in particular a person with mental illness, to make logical decisions, if you are going to argue the Thomas family wants anything other than justice for their son than mention that Ron Thomas turned down the city’s offer of $900,000 to make this ugly incident go away and has noted he will donate any settlement money from the city to charities benefitting mental illness. While I will not wish the officers who beat Kelly Thomas to a bloody pulp while he cried out for his dad the same fate they dished out on him, I am not bothered to know they are some of the most hated men in the world right now. Let us hope they are never ever allowd to “protect and serve” again.
Look up the web site joeypinasco.com see what theCHP are capable of. CHP Coffman And CHP Walling had intent to kill Joey thousands of dallors in overtime. Joey never had intent to hurt anyone, never in trouble!
Justice for Joey Trial January 2012, Sacramento!
Apparently, and according to John and Ken today, these cops wore personal recording devices on their persons. Is there a way to verify this? It means these clowns recorded their beating of Kelly.
Law Enforcement and the Law
with Ken Wallentine
December 07, 2009
Law enforcement trends to watch in 2010 and beyond
Successful police agencies will be those that adapt and change rapidly, embrace technology and analyze emerging trends in their communities
“In the year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive, they may find…” that policing has transformed far more in the fifteen years between 2010 and 2525 than in several preceding generations. The most significant trend will continue to be the application of technology to law enforcement, manifest in nearly every facet of policing. Technology will help solve crimes, prevent crimes, and facilitate crimes that haven’t yet been conceived. Evolving human factors will equally impact law enforcement as the nation’s population ages, immigration increases and minority group fertility rates skyrocket.
Hi-tech Crime Fighting
Almost every high-level police executive conference in the past few years has featured a seminar or two on “intelligence-led policing.” The core of intelligence-led policing is identification of specific criminal activities or specific criminal populations and targeted enforcement against the highest-risk crimes or criminals to achieve overall reduction in the impact of crime in a community. It is essentially risk management applied to law enforcement. In one of the early works advocating intelligence-led policing, author Mark Riebling encouraged police officers to become more like spies. But just where does the intelligence come from?
The human element of intelligence-led policing involves the intelligence analyst. How many police departments even had an intelligence analyst a decade ago? Now even my own small agency of about 40 has a full-time intelligence analyst with a professional background as an attorney and trainer. As we move into the next decade, intelligence analysts will become more common at smaller- and mid-sized police agencies, and are already absolute requisites for effective larger agencies. The 2001 terror attacks and subsequent terrorist efforts awoke police to the need to understand the infrastructures in community food and water supplies, power grids, telecommunications, transportation systems, and even financial institutions as those entities became prime terror targets.
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Not only does that mean that police administrators and command staff must develop new areas of familiarity and forge new networks, but it also implies that the increasingly professional intelligence analyst will continue to gain prominence in the police agency. As police agencies make basic changes in gathering, assessing, communicating and sharing information, the analyst will be at the center of systems development and management.
The decrease in cost and increase in quality of surveillance cameras, coupled with a greater public acceptance of street surveillance, will push the trend toward more cameras in high population centers and particularly in high vehicle- and pedestrian-traffic areas. Great Britain, with an estimated four million public surveillance cameras in operation, has led this trend. A spree of Irish Republican Army bombings in the early nineties fed the appetite for mass public surveillance. In some areas of Great Britain, a new camera cluster called The Bug is undergoing extensive testing. This device features an array of eight cameras. The cameras are bolstered by software that prompts them to scan for suspicious behavior, such as running or sudden and violent body movements, and then lock on the suspect and track the suspect on camera. How long will it be before we see similar devices in metropolitan subways and busy street corners in major U.S. cities?
What lies ahead in video surveillance? Among other things, there will be surveillance systems a generation beyond ‘The Bug’ that recognize the patterns of a particular crime, such as an assault or robbery, and instantly dispatch police officers. Facial recognition systems that identify known criminals or wanted persons and telegraph their location and travel direction to officers are already available. One developer is working on small surveillance drone aircraft that can actually follow suspects and record and transmit their movements and actions. Also under development are nanotechnology devices that will detect the components of explosive, chemical and biological weapons. These devices would be deployed in high-threat target areas and would function as constant, real-time passive detectors.
Though perhaps the trend has moderated, the American public has become increasingly tolerant of privacy intrusions following 9/11. Courts are just beginning to struggle with the legal implications of new privacy intrusions. Lawyers and judges are trying to shape new provisions in evidence rules to accommodate the expansion of electronic surveillance and security searches. The Innocence Project estimates that mistaken eyewitness identification contributed to the wrongful conviction in 75 percent of the cases where DNA evidence conclusively exonerated the convicted defendant. This has lead courts to carefully scrutinize how police administer line-ups and show-ups and to promote the use of technology to record identification procedures.
Court rules are already rapidly changing in this area.
Police officers are trained to remember that “if it isn’t in the report, it didn’t happen.” Soon, perhaps, the new maxim will be, “if it isn’t on your daily video log, it didn’t happen.”
In the past few years, more state legislatures and state supreme courts have created statutes and evidentiary rules that either mandate or strongly encourage audio or video recording of interrogations. More than half the states now have some rule on this topic. In 2010, that number is expected to grow.
Though in-car video systems have been around for some time, several agencies in Great Britain and Europe are experimenting with wearable video recording devices that are capable of recording an officer’s activity for an entire ten-hour shift. Constant electronic recording of police activity may become the new core of police accountability. TASER International launched the AXON “tactical computer” that features a tiny, high-quality wearable camera that snugs around the ear, much like a wireless cell phone headset. The camera can also be mounted on other parts of an officer’s uniform or equipment. Whatever the officer sees in front of him, the AXON’s camera captures. One prosecutor in Fort Smith, Arkansas, recently credited the AXON with helping quickly clear an officer involved in a fatal shooting of a man who pointed a gun at him during a domestic violence call. Watch for more and more developers to move into the wearable camera market and more agencies to experiment with the technology.
In 2010 watch for:
• Expanded employment opportunities for police intelligence analysts, even in the face of a continuing recession and declining tax revenues
• Further professional development for intelligence analysts and growth of existing intelligence analyst associations and new degree tracks in intelligence analysis
• More public surveillance cameras and use of facial recognition software
• Advances and simplification of DNA collection and more rapid testing methods
• Court decisions that further guide eyewitness identification methods and a changes to evidentiary rules that create an incentive to record interrogations
• Improved technology in wearable cameras and significantly greater use of wearable cameras
Clashing Cultures
American policing will be significantly impacted by the rapidly-changing cultural dynamics of our nation. The graying of America will see fewer younger violent criminals, but more white collar criminals perpetrating identity fraud, Internet-facilitated fraud, money laundering and other financial crimes. The tech-savvy generation now rising will become even more crime-tech knowledgeable. Police will be dealing with smarter bandits. Agencies who recruit candidates with a few geek qualities will find themselves ahead of the technology learning curve.
In the next 40 years, the number of Latinos in the United States will double, thanks to Latino birthrates and continued legal and illegal immigration. Multi-lingual police recruits will be even more prized. As the Latino population spreads and immigration continues, look for more cultural clashes in both inner city neighborhoods and in formerly homogenous suburbs.
At the same time, the Muslim population in America will grow faster than any other group. Despite the peaceful religious beliefs of most American Muslims, home-grown jihadists will increase. The recent massacre at Fort Hood by American-born Muslim Nadal Malik Hasan may be just the beginning of terrorist attacks by jihadists trained in American mosques. Hasan frequented the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, at the same time as Nawaf al-Hazmi and Hani Hanjour, two of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks, in a congregation led by Anwar al-Awlaki. Al-Awlaki is another U.S.-born Muslim now on the run from Yemeni authorities and believed to be a key member of al-Qaeda.
Months before the massacre, Abdulhakim Muhammad murdered one American soldier and wounded another as they stood on a Little Rock, Arkansas, street. Muhammad moved to Little Rock from Nashville, Tennessee, home of the Al-Farooq Mosque, a target of an investigative journalist’s report on extremism. One of al-Qaeda’s more public figures in Adam Gadahn, (A.K.A. Azzam al-Amriki). Gadahn was raised on a goat farm in southern California and studied Islam at an Orange County mosque. Not only will the rapidly-rising Muslim population potentially bring more U.S.-born and trained terrorists operating in American cities, but it will bring culture clashes in communities and police will play a key role in managing and defusing those conflicts.
Homegrown jihadists will be found in America’s heartland, not just in major coastal population centers. They may, or may not, be associated with al-Qaeda and other Islamic fundamentalist groups. Homegrown terror will be an issue for every police agency. A recent terror plot thwarted in Texas and another in Illinois shows that homegrown terror is not just an issue for the LAPD and NYPD. Though homeland security is traditionally considered to be a federal responsibility, local agencies must recognize the trend toward greater numbers and greater violence of American jihadists and take proactive measures.
The police culture will also continue to rapidly change. Reflecting the population demographic changes, more police applicants are likely to be the children of immigrants. Many will have been raised in a home where English was rarely or never spoken, and may have had limited social contact outside their own ethnic group. Forward-thinking police administrators will recognize the potential strengths in continuing to diversify the police work force to better reflect the community composition. Police agencies will, at least in the short term, find themselves competing with the military for the most desirable employment candidates.
In 2010 watch for:
• Rises in identity theft and financial crimes and new methods of fraud
• Terrorist attack attempts from homegrown jihadists
• Continuing challenges to recruit and retain the best candidates for law enforcement employment
• Increasing diversity in police ranks
Conclusion
President John F. Kennedy observed that, “change is the law of life.” This is one law that can’t be broken. The most successful police agencies in 2010 and beyond will be those that adapt and change rapidly, embrace technology and analyze emerging trends in their communities.
About the author
Ken Wallentine is Chief of Law Enforcement for the Utah Attorney General. The views expressed herein are his own. A veteran officer and attorney, his most recent book, The K9 Officer’s Legal Handbook is now available from LexisNexis. For more information about this valuable new book, go to http://www.kenwallentine.com. Chief Wallentine publishes Xiphos, a free biweekly legal update newsletter for law enforcement officers. Free subscription information is available at his website.
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SAD about what hpnd here BUT…. I DO NOT BLAME the COPS !!!! I BLAME Kelly’s parents !!! All I want to know is where his parents were when he was homeless and SICK. Now he’s dead and parents showing up like they love their child and missed…. I guess that’s how it is in this country !!!
@#396 jj> you cannot make an adult stay in rehab or any other helping service kellys parents tried many times to help him if you read the older post you would have known that you are just like all the other fucked up mental midgets who think the cops were following legal protocol what a fool you are another cop troll.i want to know what influence the slide bar has with the FPD because of this murder more corruption seems to be blooming that has been hidden for some time cops having there own private room as slide bar for alcohol consumption and who knows what else .My be every one of those bottom feeder murderers should have been drug tested.slide bar does have drug history.
the Rico act is not only fro gangster it is also appropriate for police corruption.Where corruption exists, the widespread existence of a Blue Code of Silence among the police can prevent the corruption from coming to light. Officers in these situations commonly fail to report corrupt behavior or provide false testimony to outside investigators to cover up criminal activity by their fellow officers.Every FPD are subject to prosecution under the Rico act.That includes you bottom feeder low life Chief Michael Sellers.With Gods help you will be in prison and don’t see dime one of tax payers money.
Hey JJ, you must be friends of one of these fpd thug murdering cops, or maybe one of their wives. Your statement is complete bullsh@* and uncalled for. There have been other idiots making statements like that and either you are just ignorant about mental illness, or prejudice against transients. Get outta hear ya bit*%!!!
I agree with Breauthority.
#403- I have to address each item.
I guess that is how it is in this country!!!!
If you are refering to the fact that a homeless,sick man was murdered in public with 50 witnesses,and they are trying to minimize it,yes that is how it is in this country!!!!
I DO NOT BLAME the COPS!!!
Um… that is rich. May I ask, who do you blame? The person or persons responsible, the ones that killed him, right? Or maybe blame the guy that has his staff falsely call the police to remove a bum near by bumming cigs off his cash heavy patrons? Maybe him? hmmm? Let me get this straight, you want me to blame the only people that gave a shit about Kelly- the very people that saw their son fade before them whilst he was a young man- struggling with reality- they lost him once to schizophrenia,and the 2nd time, brutally, at the hands of some sicko cops that I would bet have watched what I refer to as a “snuff film” ( the very ones YOU dont want to blame). Really, you want me to blame his parents?
Now he’s dead…and they show up..
Um..yeah he IS dead-yeah, kind of THE problem,dont you think? He didnt pass away in the middle night at 97 of natural causes. Someone extinguished his life- who? Not sure-but we all know what uniform they wear. Who did you want me to blame again? Just askin.
And they show up…..
Of course his parents show up- someone had to speak for Kelly, Im glad that – we didnt sit on our asses waiting for you to show up and speak on behalf of Kelly-demanding answers? You were gonna do that were ya?………. And they show up-are you for real?
50 witnesses? You sure know alot lol
The blame is clear. Kelly. The blame will be clear in the end as well.
Explain how this is Kellys fault?
You will see. He ran, he fought, he refused to stop resisting, gasses had no affect on him, force was used, his head was held against the curb as the struggle continued. The rest will come out when the investigation is done. So yes Kelly made a choice knowing he was going to run and fight. He paid. I know people here think the cops should have been the ones injured by Kelly but that’s not their jobs. Their jobs are to raise their level of force to the level of resistance, which they did and it resulted in deadly force. Reasonable for the incident.
Dream on, cretin. Two will get Second Degree, three will get manslaughter and one will rat out the others for something lesser and a year at Theo Lacy.
Keep dreaming. Not even close.
If he was running away, he obviously was no real threat to the police. He was not under arrest, was he? If he was, for what? Sitting at a bus stop? If I were sitting at a bus stop and was approached by a police officer who asked if he could search my backpack, I would say no. Why? Because they would have no probable cause to do so. Furthermore, I have a suspicion that a strategy of these particular officers is to instigate a reaction from the “suspect” also known in this case as the “victim” so that they have a reason to then put their hands on them and go with the “resisting arrest” attack. Where I live, it is not actually considered a crime to run when a person sees the police. Seriously. The police have to have more cause to arrest someone other than that they started running when they saw them coming. Now, it could mean that the people are running because they were doing something wrong, or, it could mean that they are running because they are afraid of the police. It looks like there is an already established pattern of police misconduct and brutality in Fullerton, so my educated guess is that Kelly tried to run because he was threatened in some way by the police and the fact that he is now dead only proves that he did, in fact, have reason to fear them.
Sir/madam-lets be clear here- I would be out demanding answers if it was your family member ,as well.
In re to the comment of 50 people were witness’ I got that info from our DA Susan- she stated that 80 witness’ were interviewed. The FBI is here and they are speaking and interviewing people as we speak-so no Im not privy to inside information- apparently you are- why not explain in detail- how a sick man can attempt to flea and the end result is death? Dont agree with what you say- but honestly would like to get inside that post of yours and see how you come to that conclusion- Im not trying to argue- Im seriously trying to grasp what your selling here- please explain- thank you.
if these cops were making negative comments or using the typical perjoritives to describe the homeless wouldnt that constitute a federal hate crime? are we ever going to be able to listen to the DAR tapes? i am curious what these guys were saying on the tape like if anyone said kelly thomas had been beaten on enough .
i believe if they used insults or profanity at all in their botched apprehension of kelley thomas then they should be charged with hate crimes.
i do have a problem with police officers and their heel-lickers. these two groups lose sight of the fact that they are paid for their ‘services’. if they were policing out of love of country or community they wouldn’t be bankrupting municipalities with their entitlements. they are paid to do a job. thats it. when crane operators kill someone it doesnt matter if it’s their fault or not, they are out of a job. when jack-in-the-box sells a few e-coli burgers and kills a couple of people everybody at their ‘precinct’ goes home unpaid.
ultimately the local and state governments WILL default on their entitlement obligations. there is no way out of it happening. i am going to sit back now and savor the pithy responses from those who make their living off of the taxpayers teat.
the boot lickers do the cops no favors by spewing hate towards the thomas family. you do no favors by infering kelley tomas deserved to die because he was homeless. i do believe the homeless are a protected group right?
i believe there is good cause for a hate crime conviction if they were calling hiim a bum, scumbag, or anything else that refered to him being less of a human because he was homeless. same thing goes if they were calling him crazy. its a hate crime and the sentencing should be automatic. if DAR tapes revealed even a hint of insulting language in reference to him being homeless the federal charges should be automatic and these officers and every cop who uses offensive language should be terminated on the spot.
Problem is that most cops don’t have department recording devices. Some carry their own to record audio and video so when activists or liars make stuff up they can clear themselves and shove it back in the complainers face. But when these recordings come out is up to the cop. They are the only ones that know it’s being done and it’s on personal devices.
Wrong. Fullerton officers are required by department policy to activate their audio recorders whenever they make contact with members of the public.
Good policy to have, if in fact it’s policy. Most police that have that utilize the dash cam system which includes the audio.
homeless are not a protected class that i know of but the mentally handicapped are 100%
On CNN http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/16/california.homeless.death/index.html?hpt=us_c2
Veth Mam for the win! Lesson for everyone – if you have to deal with police, record them.
Kinda hard to record while getting beaten….
True. New Fullerton good Samaritan rule now in effect: if you see FPD talking to anybody, pulling anyone over, doing anything – video them.
I think this should be a rule in all cities. This happens everywhere, we just don’t hear about it most of the time.
When the final truth comes out, not the verdict… the truth, I wonder how many of you will be willing to stand in public, next to your fellow bloggers, and apologize for your stupidity. There is no way Kelly Thomas can be held accountable for this outcome. Please promise that you will back up your stupid assertions with accountability in the end! Pick a place and time and I’ll be there… will you? Doubtful. It’s NOT ok to spew garbage like it doesn’t matter to the reader. This is a serious matter and it demands the best thinking we can all muster. Even the HeeHaw crap here is a diversion from the central focus.
I love what Abraham Lincoln said, “Nearly all men can handle adversity, but if you want to judge a man’s character, give him power”. What those officers did to this man was morally, ethically, professionally and so many other ways, wrong and evil! I’ve observed many officers who abuse their authority. It doesn’t take six officers to beat a man to death. The D.A. that said he could not find any evidence of excessive force needs to take another look at the before and after photos of Kelly. No one deserves to die like this. This is evil and what these officers have sown, they will reap. I pray for the Thomas family. We all need to pray that justice is served. Those of you who are making light of this, what if this was your son or brother, would you fight or just turn your head. This family is hurting, have some respect.
Hurting for money you mean?
If Ron Thomas was really hurting, he would be privately greiving not publicly. Where was he all the years his poor son was living on the streets? Where was he when he was choking out his mother last December?
The Thomas family has more class in their cuticles than exist in your entire family’s DNA.
Actually, he is in a position to be a conduit for social change and, as you may not know, many people cope with their grief by finding a way to bring about some good in the face of tragedy. This is particularly true in cases where the death was a needless, senseless violent death. He has an opportunity to be a voice for a number of causes, including bringing light to police misconduct and brutality, as well as bringing attention to the plight of the homeless and the mentally ill in our country. Any one of those causes would be a worthy cause. So I commend him for making this a public issue rather than a private one, otherwise, there would be little if any opportunity for change in what looks like a very sick governmental system in Fullerton, CA.
It’s amazing the pigs collect all this evidence then hide it…are they looking for the truth or cover? Maybe Kelly’s death was Karma getting even with his pig father for beatings he dished out. You pigs enjoy your run, it’s coming to an end…then run your dicksuckers, when errrbody’s gun is on the outside. Those steroids affect more than your dried up testicles.
JACKASS KARMA, DO YOU KNOW KELLY’S DAD? HAVE YOU EVER MEY HIM? I HAVEM AND HE IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOU SAY HE IS. LIAR!
sick and evil fullerton police will be punished. Rotten abuser pigs will be put down.
They might edit the tape’s they will not release. The Fullerton Cops they will weasal there way out if they can well they wish. Lock them up in prison for life and throw the key away. Those cocksucking motherfuckers need to pay for what they did.
…now tell us you really feel ; )
If he was running away, he obviously was no real threat to the police. He was not under arrest, was he? If he was, for what? Sitting at a bus stop? If I were sitting at a bus stop and was approached by a police officer who asked if he could search my backpack, I would say no. Why? Because they would have no probable cause to do so. Furthermore, I have a suspicion that a strategy of these particular officers is to instigate a reaction from the “suspect” also known in this case as the “victim” so that they have a reason to then put their hands on them and go with the “resisting arrest” attack. Where I live, it is not actually considered a crime to run when a person sees the police. Seriously. The police have to have more cause to arrest someone other than that they started running when they saw them coming. Now, it could mean that the people are running because they were doing something wrong, or, it could mean that they are running because they are afraid of the police. It looks like there is an already established pattern of police misconduct and brutality in Fullerton, so my educated guess is that Kelly tried to run because he was threatened in some way by the police and the fact that he is now dead only proves that he did, in fact, have reason to fear them.
how do we know the tape still exists? they didnt even start investigating for weeks
Message is for this sick homeless dead dude’s dad : Don’t act all sad and how much you miss your so call SON. You’re nothing but a pathetic dumb fuck don’t even know how to take care of your own damn son/family. Here’s 90some grand , you happy now ? You killed your own damn son!!! How can you sleep @ nite knowing your own son is out walking around and beaten down. EXCUSES EXCUSES always…
This shit has to stop !!! OMG !! MOVE ONE WITH YOUR LIFE PEOPLE !!
They still havent figuered out?