SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
The OC Weekly’s Marisa Gerber has just written a detailed and painful catalog of offenses perpetrated by the Fullerton Police Department over a period of many years. It’s on the cover of this week’s edition.
No reasonable person can read this litany of arrogant terror and error, without concluding that the FPD sank deep into a Culture of Corruption under former chief and current councilmember, Pat McKinley; and that McKinley’s diseased poultry is still coming home to roost – two and a half years after his retirement.
But, as they say, where there is a will, there is way, and the anti-recall clowns will never acknowledge any of this scandal. They have far too much at stake – financially and emotionally.
Well, they can bury their heads in the sands, but the denial isn’t going to help. Their “esteemed” councilmen have dozed away, and looked the other way when all this was happening. It seems they thought their job was to attend ribbon cuttings, enjoy free drinks at Chamber of Commerce mixers, and give away millions of dollars worth of property to their campaign contributors.
And having everyone kiss your pale, withered butt means never having to say you’re sorry.
For Bankhead, Jones, and now McKinley, there has never been a thin dime’s worth of accountability.
Until now. And that’s the Recall!
Somebody needs to take three of these and hand-deliver them to Jones, Bankhead and McKinley at the next council meeting.
Great article!!
Should go to The State Attorney General to have a proper investigation.
The OCW will probably give permission to reproduce this article, they have before.
It will make a good handout for the RECALL signature gatherers.
Folks: Por favor use this article (and the cover) against the pendejos in Fullerton! All we ask is that it’s attributed to us!
Marisa Gerber wrote this article, not you. Why do you insist on taking credit for someone elses work?
What the hell are you giving Gustavo a hard time about? He said “we.” Jesus H Christ, if you’re going to abuse our friends why not just give comfort to our enemies while you’re at it? Gustavo and ALL the OC Weekly crew are this blog’s strongest media supporters (along with Reason). Thank them don’t nitpick at them!
then thank God, the OC Weekly is FFFF strongest media supporters because the OC Register, the Fullerton Observer can’t even support themselves
How am I taking credit? It’s all Marisa, chulo. Bishop Tod Brown: is that you?
“Bishop Todd Brown: is that you?” Hilarious Gustavo.
Seriously Gustavo, how could OC Weekly not get the cred? The graphic is the cover of OCWEEKLY. Hello? Is you request for the Braille version of this blog?
I read the post and understood the whole point was to give credit to the OCWEEKLY. Did I miss something or did you dust off too many Mescal shooters already today?
Gee, there’s your name, a link and everything.
Agree.
I suspect almost all of FPD’s problems are a result of the Police UNION.
Thus, disband the FPD to eliminate the POLICE UNION from the area; pay some other police force to a few years and then restart without the Police UNION.
Problem solved.
Sounds easy but won’t happen. You won’t ever have a PD without a police union. Stay within what is actually realistic and attainable.
Here’s another look for you Reality Is, at how the President and Vice-President of the Fullerton Police Officer’s Association spent our hard earned tax dollars sucking up overtime on a Saturday, pulling over a solitary protester for honking his horn in support of justice.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-11-24/news/fullerton-police-department-ron-kelly-thomas/
…now remind us all again why these guys are irreplaceable.
EXCELLENT IDEA!!!
My thoughts exactly and i just might do that
Absolutely awesome!
Thank you Marisa and OC Weekly.
Great cover artwork.
The thought process of most in LE is primitive at best, and is often shown as such in the brutal attacks they give their prey (citizens).
I watched the video with the LAPD abusing protesters and while listening to the McKinley narrative I was disgusted with his thought process about pain inducement upon citizens. He is absolutely insane! 😉
skelatons falling out of pats closet, they are dark horroble freaks who will have a bad time , as time goes on , whos police our police, whos streets our streets, whos precious fullerton OUR FULLERTON were gunna take it back, and chase those crasy baldheads
out of town, and into a place where their evil will not be able to touch another soul……
chxn, viva la revolution,
Has anyone ever told you how TERRIBLE you are at impersonating an illiterate poster? Even a 4 year old knows how to do it better, PIG!
Why do you think Chiken is a cop if you don’t mind me asking? Someone run an IP check?
Admin & the Clan knows who everyone is on here. They have run ISPs numerous times. All good. Just kinda cheesy. Oh well.
then why is your stupid ass still here! this aint 1984
Why not? We all know each other. It’s 2011. Everyone plays the same game. No one is scared. 🙂
I have a sense about the LE vibe. I can spot ’em a mile away. No IP necessary.
There actually is a LE vibe, if you can detect it. I do readings for people like John Edward of Crossing Over fame, or Theresa of Long Island Medium fame.
When you’re accustomed to knowing someone by their ‘vibe’ you can distinguish the LE vibe very easily, just by reading what they type (or write).
It’s also true that the reader can see things about the person being read – intimate details of their life. I don’t do that on here except when someone intentionally antagonizes me. And then it’s just ‘turnabout is fair play.’
I got into trouble with the government by publicly talking about some dark secrets that I stumbled onto. They’re still watching to see if I spill the beans on some things that would curl your hair.
I think it was you that said your dad had made the remark that we wouldn’t sleep at night if we knew what was going on in the government? That’s absolutely true. It’s not just knowing how sausage is made, it’s seeing that there are maggots in the meat grinder. Things are FAR worse than anyone can imagine.
Psychics, cat hoarders, failed commediennes, 12 steppers and an army of unemployed alcoholics living on the dole. We are Kelly’s Army – we are legion.
Laugh it up, dickweed. You don’t have much time left before your card is punched.
Oh yeah, one other thing: you should check your insurance for coverage for damage by fire, you’re gonna be needing it soon.
Yea you tell him!! You show him!! 🙂
I just did.
CackleFoos, I only wish I had your talent. It might really come in handy to help me figure out how to get help for a mentally ill young man that I know of, who will probably die of hypothermia, or worse, if I can’t figure out how to get him off the streets.
Don’t worry, I’m not giving up; however, you can be sure the laughing/smiling cops won’t help.
Send me an email to CackleFoos@yahoo.com. Include his first name, no other info. And your phone number if you wish.
Make sure the first name is his given name, not a nickname. If you aren’t sure give as much of his name as you can.
Great idea. Great goal. Once you finalize it let me know and I’ll teach it to the masses. Sad but true, cold hungry and homeless comes often and we can’t help at all. Wish we could but giving someone $5 like the other night is the most we can do. Our POA handed out turkeys to needy people for Thanksgiving.
That’s the reality. Now change that.
CackleFoos, I’ve always thought the exact same thing about Chiken’s bad vibe. I don’t know anyone who is truly that illiterate (fake or otherwise), except for some of the cops who post on this blog.
Chiken spouts his “viva la revolution” and tries to incite trouble. I believe Chiken is just another LE plant/spy/waster of tax payer money, who is trying to stir things up a bit. He probably sits right next to R.I. at “Starbucks.” Or, perhaps, he types his garbage while he sits at an FBI “Starbucks.”
Our tax money being wasted…as usual.
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Using illiteracy is one of the tactics LE uses to snare online pedophiles – no problem with that, of course. But then being the moronic imbeciles they are, they can’t resist barging into a private blog like this one and swaggering around with their nonsensical BS using those same tactics.
If you want to get under the skin of cops you have to turn their own tactics against them. They absolutely HATE that! lol!
Lol 🙂
U make it a game n they game back? Who wins?
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lol! Usually the last to post is the winner, at least in their own mind. Gotta love those pissing contests!
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CackleFoos stated, “If you want to get under the skin of cops you have to turn their own tactics against them. They absolutely HATE that! lol!”
🙂 Hey, Cackle, I think I’ll try out your theory!! 🙂 Please feel free to join me! LOL
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Just for you JFA & Cackle.
P1 Humor Corner: 25 signs that you’re a cop
When do you really know that you are a police officer? Is it when you realize that you find humor in other people’s stupidity? Or is it when you know for certain that unspeakable evils will befall you if anyone says, “Boy, it sure is quiet tonight.” Is it when you’ve left more meals on the restaurant table than you’ve eaten, or when you come to the knowledge that discussing human dismemberment over a meal is a perfectly normal thing to do? Maybe it’s when you feel good when you hear someone say, “These handcuffs are too tight.” Here are 25 ways you can be pretty reliably sure that you’re really a cop.
1.) You have the bladder capacity of five people combined.
2.) You have restrained someone and it was not a sexual experience.
3.) You believe that 50 percent of people are a waste of good air.
4.) Your idea of a good time is a “man with a gun” call.
5.) You conduct a criminal record check on anyone who seems friendly towards you.
6.) You believe in the aerial spraying of Prozac and birth control pills.
7.) You disbelieve 90 percent of what you hear and 75 percent of what you see.
8.) You have your weekends off planned for a year.
9.) You believe the government should require a permit to reproduce.
10.) You refer to your favorite restaurant by the intersection at which it’s located.
11.) You have ever wanted to hold a seminar entitled: “Suicide: Getting it right the first time.”
12.) You ever had to put the phone on hold before you begin laughing uncontrollably.
13.) You think caffeine should be available in IV form.
14.) You know anyone who says, “I only had two beers” is going to blow at least a .15
15.) You find out a lot about paranoia just by following people around.
16.) Anyone has ever said to you, “There are people killing other people out there and you are here messing with me.”
17.) People flag you down on the street and ask you directions to strange places…and you know where it’s located.
18.) You can discuss where you are going to eat with your partner while standing over a dead body.
19.) You are the only person introduced at social gatherings by profession.
20.) You walk into places and people think it’s high comedy to grab their buddy and shout, “They’ve come to get you, Bill.”
21.) You do not see daylight from November until May.
22.) People shout, “I didn’t do it!” when you walk into a room and think they’re being hugely funny and original.
23.) A week’s worth of laundry consists of five T-shirts, five pairs of socks, and five pairs of underwear.
24.) You’ve ever referred to Tuesday as “my weekend.”
25.) You’ve ever written off guns and ammunition as a business deduction.
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Asinine cop jokes, posted by asinine cops while ON DUTY, and while on the taxpayer’s dime!! Now that’s just FUNNY!!
However, I do think it’s preferable to keep the current bunch of cops really busy with their online blogging- and off of the streets as much as possible.
After all, if they have too much free time on their hands, they’ll just look for more people to bludgeon eight times in the face with the butt end of a Taser, breaking cheek bones and facial bones deep behind the nose, causing massive facial bleeding down the throat and causing people to choke on their own blood- after said people have been threatened, intimidated, beaten, slammed into the curb, crushed, suffocated, kicked, ribs broken, lung collapsed and filled with blood, punched, put in the prone-choke hold, repeatedly Tasered on the chest, etc. and rendered unconscious, of course.
Oh, and don’t forget-if you are: mentally ill, helpless, trying to run away from the bully cop who threatened you verbally and with his fists, unarmed, begging for your life, saying you’re sorry and crying for mercy, and calling for your dad to help you- it will only make the gang of cops attack you even MORE VICIOUSLY!!! You won’t have ANY chance to survive at all. Too bad. That’s just how it is. FPD cops are the self- proclaimed jury, judge and executioners and NO cop will step up to save your life! Their careers are MUCH more important than your little pathetic life!!
But, the cops will all stand strong together- behind the blue line! If they don’t stick together; they might lose their precious, high paying, union jobs. And, jobs are so much more important than integrity!! So, they NEED to laugh at stupid jokes to help them forget all about their loss of integrity. It’s just so SAD, so:
here are some more smileys for the cops who have blogging duty! Yuck it up boys in blue!
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The truth always stands on its own. Hindsight is always 20/20. I think the long train of abuses are self evident at this point. Thank you OC Weekly for your journalism. Thank you OC Ragister for helping me clean my garage floor. Thank you OC Ragister for helping me light my barbecue in the summer and my fireplace in the winter. Thank you OC Ragister for allowing me to use your printed lies to teach my children how to employ critical thinking skills. Hey OC Ragister your days as a source of relevance are long gone. Now you can drink alone.
Right truthseeker. Thanks Marisa Gerber of OC Weekly. The fourth estate is alive and well over there.
A fine piece of Journalism the OC Weekly. One can judge its content by its advertisers pot shops and whore houses. Nothing wrong with those business after it is Fullerton’s Future.
I can live with pot shops and whore houses. I can choose not to frequent them. As a people we cannot stand for murder. Kelly and the others didnt have a choice. Maybe you need to visit a whore house and a pot shop. It might do you some good. It is obvious the church you go to isn’t helping you.
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Yeah silly old OC Weekly which almost singlehandedly did the investigative legwork that put crooked douchebags like Mike Carona behind bars.
Tired of your Chiken moniker so soon?
Yeah, let’s look at the mess HeeHaw, Bankhead, and McKinley made of downtown Fullerton.
How’s that future workin’ out for you?
wonder whats buried under that FPD parking lot
Oh snap, what a great article. F the PD.
I wonder if it might be possible to provide a supply of copies of this magazine (for resale at cost) at the Recall signature tables?
The FACTUAL CASE with details, details, details is really beneficial (at least to the not terrifically well informed folks like me) in order to support the discussion of the many – multiple reasons for the Recall.
This blog is GREAT. There are lots of folks who don’t yet have the facts and the stories.
Also, there is a LOT of “insider” type of talk or banter on this blog which really goes over the head of at least THIS reader. PLEASE fill in as many of the gaps as possible so that all of the stories make sense for those who are not so intimately involved as the several-many authors.
OC Weekly is free, they might supply copies so no one has to snatch them from someone else.
Heres a link to the artical
http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-11-24/news/fullerton-police-department-ron-kelly-thomas/
not only is Pat McKinley the force behind Fullerton Police Force’s protracted corruption, Pat McKinley is a past member of Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission, a commission which professes to reduce police brutality upon the community by establishing bridges between law enforcement and the community. With sarcasm I give a shout out for the collaboration between Pat McKinley and Rusty Kennedy. Obviously,these two bureaucrats have made our community a safer place to live, work and play.
When is next council session? I have more choice words for Dick & his Dick lovers. Most likely will be my last chance, since there’s no way he’ll be reelected.
December 5, 2011 and it includes the “passing of the baton” (choosing a “new” mayor)
dick is cockey, he said last meeting that he will be reelected. well who votes on that…..i think the councill of corruption!!!
We have to get rid of these politicans, cops, and elected officials in Fullerton City. Recall and vote your hearts out.
The following quotes are all from Thomas Jefferson:
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. “
“Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor. “
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. “
“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
“We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed.”
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. “ Declaration of Independence
The above quotes by Jefferson show the real spirit of America. And may God enlighten the fascist Tories who wish them harm.
“crush the bastards”………………………..Julian Assange
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Fullerton Police department and the hacks at City Hall have truly put the FU back in Fullerton and I’ve had enough. Fullerton is a family town that has no place for these stormtroopers, so they go around town creating problems for themselves to profit from, and then rail at the residents who are upset with their tactics.
What the Fullerton Police Department seems to not comprehend, is that Fullerton residents are still the customer’s they serve and the one’s who pay your salaries and boy are they pissed off at you guys!
I see the recall as the first of many needed changes here in Fullerton, and a definite step in the right direction to more responsive representation from our elected officials.
Haven’t seen you in awhile, how goes it with you and the recall petitions? We are all at a defining moment in our lives as residents here in Fullerton. It is imperative that we seize this moment and release the (3) Fossils from their duties as resident thieves here in our fine city. The more time that passes, the more sludge comes bubbling to the surface. They need to go and I hope that we can get the job done. These guys have had a ride on the gravy train long enough and it is time they all retreat to their plush retirement communities and let the city heal with some new blood.
Have a safe holiday season and I hope to talk to you in person again real soon. Stay strong my friend………………
Hey good buddy! Long time no see. Let’s try and get together for the next Fullerton city council meeting on December 5th? The recall is currently doing extremely well and I have every confidence that the recall campaign will be successful by the end of the year…I’m actually hoping it’s finished by Christmas, because I can’t think of a better present that we can give our city after we’ve been through so much.
Hope to see you at the city council meeting in December amigo. Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
FL. When you say by Xmas, you mean the number of signatures? Have they said how long to verify? Then what? Verified then a vote for a recall or a special election?
I know that the amount of signatures that we need to have verified as valid registered Fullerton voters by the Registrar of Voters is 10,500.
Standard operating procedure for signature gathering for initiative, propostions, and recalls, are to collect anywhere from 20-50% over the 10,500 needed to ensure that your minimum requirements are met, and we fully intend to have more than enough, as Fullerton residents have been overwhelming in favor of the recall. I’d honestly say that the momentum is actually increasing with every new revelation that comes forward detailing the rogue conduct coming out of our officers we employ in our police department.
The amount of time that the Registrar of Voters takes to verify the signatures which are submitted to them is beyond my scope of knowledge.
I do know however that once the Registrar of Voters has verified that the recall has met the 10,500 threshold, the City Clerk in Fullerton has between 88-180 days to call for the recall election or to piggyback the vote for recall onto an existing election within that timeframe.
At this point, the voters decide whether or not they would like to recall these three (believe me when I say that they do), and the voters will also then decide on the same ballot, which candidate that they would like to vote into office to replace them with.
I see. Thanks.
Recall and vote on same ballot seems odd.
Thanks again for the info.
I’m surmising that the same ballot is necessary in order to immediately fill the council seat vacancies which will be created when the voters elect to remove these three from office.
I’d say 1 out of 99 people that sign the recall petition sign all three names, so I think the odds of one of them surviving the recall election are slim and none… and slim just left Fullerton.
I havent ever researched recall process. Just seems like it would be signatures and verification. Then a vote to see if the people want to recall the 3, or 1 or 2. If they recall, then usually the council or city decides if they want to appoint for the remaining term or terms, or hold a special election. Say if one of them had 8 months left, the smart thing financially is appoint until the next election and then have it filled in the normal election. I don’t know enough about their timing and terms in this case.
It’s important for the new council to be hones, to care about the people, to not be beholden to special interests including the FPD, most important to know that they are being watched. It’s important for the citizens to know and remember what can happen when you relax, assume they’re in control, and what can happen when we stop watching.
The problem, as already discussed, is finding people that are even 50% of what you desire. It will be very tough to find someone, and then get them to beat the big money replacements if it makes it that far.
Thank you Marisa. Great article!
“And having everyone kiss your pale, withered butt means never having to say you’re sorry.”
Bravo, sir!
All the trolls are sniffing head cleaner and freon tonight
Read my post #26 to Fullerton Lover and include yourself………………….
The anti Recall folks can say all they want – but here are the facts, unbiased and available for the masses to read, from a third party, non Recall source.
The article did not even touch on the Ciccianelli-being-disabled hiring by McKinley, either.
Recall the cops, all the cops. No cops are better than FPD or the Sheriff. See ABOLISH THE POLICE – An Article by Anthony Gregory about Police Abuse Around The USA linked in the FFFF blog. I think we could get along without any cops and think of the savings. I know nmost are going to say I’m an idiot, but go read the article…. http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory213.html
Great article by Anthony Gregory
Nothing will change until there are violent and bloody confrontations such as Cairo and Damascus.
The OWS demonstrations may be a miniscule peek into the future.
With the various police/enforcement agencies threatening the public news media to tone it down,its only a matter of time until an over zealous enforcer creates an incident that causes all hell to break loose.
I hope it’s you.
Feel the sweat running down your neck yet? The writing on the wall just increased 5 fonts in size.
Nope. Never have. I don’t think politics will affect this PD much at all. Only real decision is to move forward with confidence or go with the Sheriffs dept. standard operations outside of that.
I think politics has already affected your PD much more than you may be aware. In a previous post ‘vw type 53a’ described how muted a table of boisterous FPD cops became when he walked past wearing a Justice for Kelly Thomas t-shirt. Shit has hit the fan, but perhaps you’re far enough away from it that it hasn’t hit you in the face. Yet.
You have to remember that muted statement comes from someone that sees and hears only what he wants to see and hear. I would wager it was half as exciting and boisterous and muting as 53 made it out to be. Reality. 🙂
I’ll take that wager because I know VWtype 53 A and he’s a straight-shooter. I also know that there are probably even a few officers on the FPD, as well as a nation of good and honest police officers, that were emrarassed and ashamed of the way that their colleagues on the FPD conducted themselves on the night of July 5th.
A tragic incident like what happened to Kelly Thomas, immediately destroys any and all of the good will and trust that the good hard working officers work so hard to build on a daily basis.
It’s really unfair for them and their families to have to suffer over the actions of a few, and I’d wager that they’re pretty pissed off about having to carry the burden of their brethren when they’re out and about and around town in uniform.
Fair enough.
Fullerton is full of loving and peaceful people with families, who have gone out of their way to keep the protests of our Police department and City Hall establishment extremely peaceful throughout this whole debacle. I’m proud of that.
The residents here in Fullerton that I know are smart enough to know that only love can conquer hate. There will be no bloody and violent confrontations here in Fullerton, because we are civil people who have constructively channeled the rebuke we felt from our recalcitrant elected officials into a community wide effort to recall these three fossils from office so they can hurt our town no more.
Excellent article by Marisa Gerber.
RECALL… YES!!!!!!
The people of all cities need to be vigilant of actions by police officers(why the title of officer?) and report(police complaint) of any action that they think is not appropriate or out of place.
Good examples;
1.Cops hanging around schools drop off/pick-up areas, issuing tickets for violations that exist only in the cops mind.
Now that you have her personal info, did you get a good cleavage ogle?
Yeah, you’re a real big important MF with that Xing motorcycle sitting in the street, Xing up traffic and being a distraction that causes serious mishaps and circumstances. The conduct of the FPD patrol units is a major threat to the public safety.
As I drive past Kimmies cafe and see the number of motorcycles at police HQ, the more I see at these locations I have the feeling that the streets are safer.
How the hell can any city council member or Fullerton resident drive past St. Judes Hospital which is an establishment dedicated to the preservation and longevity of human life and at the same time GIVE deference and support to an organization (the FPD) that renders so much harm and hurt to the community.
A lot of you “Law & Order” type Senior citizen types will be complacent until your progeny are raped, pillaged, and plundered.
I’m saying, don’t pick-up your musket, get off/on your asses and go to city hall and directly complain to the city manager, your area Assemblyman at his office on Harbor Blvd.
It’s time to give about 150 criminals, condoners,and reprobates their duly earned walking papers and initiate the plan to transition ALL FPD functions, including the CSUF unit to the OC Sheriff’s organization.
and this is the perfect example of someone thinking they know police work and they actually don’t have a clue. It’s people
Iike you that give people desirous of change a bad name, and cause the ear to be turned the other way.
School zones are the most dangerous area in any city. The schools actually need a motorcycle cop on them every morning and every afternoon.
But you want to say its ogling.
Many people on here have a bit of common sense. You Mr Plain Ornery have none and it’s clear why I’m positive you have accomplished zero in terms of change.
How many kids lunch money have you stole?
None. But I’ve saved many of their lives. 🙂
Congratulations,
Sounds like you’re a hero in your own mind.
You must have been assigned to the DARE program.
Thank you. Never did DARE. I’m sure it would be a great experience though.
Which of the presently featured FPD cops have been assigned to the DARE program.
I’m sure they rendered useful guidance with a hands-on approach.
Hands on is always a good tool for the children. 🙂
None of the FPD that were involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas were ever assigned to the DARE program. The one officer that I know that has done the DARE program for many years here in Fullerton is Tony Bogart., who I know to be a stand up all around good guy in my eyes. He’s also a coach on one of the little leagues here in Fullerton, and one of the really good hearted police officers here in Fullerton who, along with his family, have probably been dragged through hell and back due to the rogue conduct of a few fellow officers who disgraced the same badge that Tony wears.
I am also fighting to get rid of the few corrupt police officers that we have in Fullerton, for officers and people like Tony Bogart, who is a good and decent person, and an individual whom I know to have loads of integrity.
i am sure it would EZ access to all those drugs
Always is. Everyday. Lots of money too.
none directly, however indirectly is a whole nother story. The incident that I related at the elementary school was $75 a pop to fifty families. This particular school has a 35% student population that receives free lunches, so the odds are that 1/3 of those families could ill afford a bogus $75 ticket when they are struggling to stay fed, yet they are too busy to fight the tickets, and don’t want trouble with the law, so they pay them even when they know that they were innocent.
Attrition and apathy have become the American way.
Understood. A whole different debate in this economy and this age. What is the appropriate punishment when people break the law?
Video use in school zones can allow issuance of say 20 citations. Putting a cop there allows issuance of say 2 citations. What makes the biggest impact on future safety? More citations in the mail or the cop being seen?
Financial penalties hit people hard. They get the message and think about it next time they do it. No penalty, then why not do it everyday?
Same philosophy with unlicensed drivers these days. Penalties too severe. Impacts families.
I was raised that if you do wrong, you will be punished.
So what’s the answer? I think citations work. Always open to other options and have tried many.
Reality Is- two words for you- DUI Checkpoints is that what you mean by poe-lice work?
Love love love DUI checkpoints. Been very involved in DUi and unlicensed driving education and enforcement for years. Very valuable and very important. Not fun seeing a young child killed by a drunk or unlicensed driver.
And now the REAL heat comes for the FPD apologistas. Can’t wait to see how McKinley, HeeHaw and Banks try to squirm out of this one! HAH HAH!
Marisa
thank you
fabulous work
Thats about it for this evening .
I hope everyone has a good and enjoyable
Thanksgiving Holiday.
PLEASE DO NOT DRINK AND TRY TO DRIVE.
That should wake up some Fullerton residents. I’m happy Marisa Gerber did some research and included the history of the FPD.
They can’t deny what’s in the history books, which now includes the FPD’S current shenanigans.
Maybe this article will help to wake up the masses in Fullerton.
Jane, be critical of what you read before forming opinions.
“March 8, 1996, [W]hen the last resident had spoken, Fullerton Chief of Police Patrick McKinley aired a grievance of his own, one that stunned the audience: “Somebody in this room probably knows who fired the bullet that killed Ramon Toro.
“If somebody could tell us who fired it,” he continued in a sharp voice, “we wouldn’t have to do something like that.”
The chief’s crisp remark captured the essence of the troubled relations between Fullerton police and the Maple area’s primarily Latino residents. And it made one thing unmistakably clear: the city’s police have decided to bring their own pursuit of justice straight into the living rooms of anyone they believe is connected, however remotely, to shootings like Toro’s. In doing so, they’ve adopted operations reminiscent of Vietnam: an occupying army bent on separating the “bad guys” from the “responsible” population it claims to protect—and at the same time, using brutal tactics that tend to punish both groups in equal measure.
Nick Schou, “Fullerton Metal Jacket: When the police go military, the city goes Vietnam”
Its a stretch from “sharp” to “snarl”
I don’t doubt that a hundred and seven years ago, all ten members of the FPD were card carrying members of the KKK because FPD’s origins was more a club with a club.
Moving into the next millenium, the Fullerton police officers who murdered and watched Kelly Thomas murdered would never have been invited into the KKK. Gerber’s attempt to lay FPD’s recent history of brutality and corruption at the feet of the turn of the century KKK is her attempt to inflame the story with monsters from our past.
FPD’s corruption belongs to ex-fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley, the tacit approval of our city council members and pressure from petty bureaucrats’ need to form Fullerton Police force into an entity that pleased their eye.
My point is it defeats our purpose to restore our government and its infrastructure into an entity that truly serves the public when we distort the persons and setting that has corrupted our municipal government. It makes it easier for the councilpersons McKinley, Bankhead, Jones to point their fingers at us and accuse us of being liars, irrational, extremists because we try to link them to the KKK , SWAT, racism towards Black Panthers .
the contemporary facts are horredous enough to justify the recall of McKinley, Bankhead and Jones and to dismantle the FPD
“Jane, be critical of what you read before forming opinions.”
Thank you, I do. I do have strong opinions, but I really am only the messenger.
“It makes it easier for the councilpersons McKinley, Bankhead, Jones to point their fingers at us and accuse us of being liars, irrational, extremists because we try to link them to the KKK , SWAT, racism towards Black Panthers .”
Pat McKinley and his band of thieves’ behavior absolutely can be linked SWAT and the Black Panthers. I have never said or implied they were linked to the KKK. Marisa Gerber did.
If you think FPD’s past has no bearing on their current status, with all due respect, I think you’re wrong.
Jane: EXACTLY. People like Van de Pendejo who thinks the institutional past has no bearing on the present probably also think that orange-crate labels pass as authentic history.
I agree. And disagree.
The KKK thing reflects a long history of almost belligerent know-nothingism that is the hallmark of Fullerton Babbitry. Sometimes it is even dressed up in liberal garb, as when represented by Molly McClanahan and Jan Flory and the Kennedy clan.
However, I note with some irony that Manny Ramos is Latino, and Kenton Hampton is African-American. Cicinelli must be extracted from Catholic Italian roots, etc., etc., etc.
Fullerton in 2011 is an equal opportunity gang bang.
“Fullerton in 2011 is an equal opportunity gang bang.”
It certainly seems to be that way now. I think it’s a mixture of racism, sexism, agism, etc… anyone they deem less worthy. They have all that expensive equipment are itching to use it.
The fact that they have a history of controlling downtown Fullerton like gangs is pertinent to the current situation. It also seems as though Fullerton Police Department has a reputation that attracts people like McKinley, and then he gets to finally strut his stuff in front of the City of Fullerton.
You’re just mad that I got you for taking credit for someone else’s work. and no, I don’t believe orange-crate labels pass as authentic OC history.
Beware though, there are some big liars in the OC who have conned you into believing they and their family are/were civil rights activists. apply the logic
how do you know I’m Bishop Tod Brown?
Whatever happened to The Angry Mexican? I used to LMFAO at my xenophobe classmates while in college in Tulsa, Oklahoma who didn’t get the snarky putdowns about anglo fear of brown and black skin. I loved that sh*t! 😈
Disregard. I found askamexican.net.
Actually, the public has become VERY informed about police work since Kelly Thomas’ murder at the hands of FPD. I’d venture to say the public has become somewhat of an EXPERT on FPD abuses. Thanks for caring, though.
“It’s people Iike you that give people desirous of change a bad name, and cause the ear to be turned the other way.”
Uh, you should read the article. It’s about people like YOU, and how you’ve have ruined Fullerton’s good name. When you stop apologizing for FPD’s crimes with your “you don’t know anything about police work” schtick you’ll begin to earn some credibility, but not before then.
“School zones are the most dangerous area in any city. The schools actually need a motorcycle cop on them every morning and every afternoon. ”
So disband FPD for all functions but school crossings. You should be able to handle that without f’ing it up, maybe.
“But you want to say its ogling.”
Call it for what it is. Most cops ride motorcycles to look cool so they can stare down at the bosoms of women they stop. Everyone knows that as a fact.
“Many people on here have a bit of common sense. You Mr Plain Ornery have none and it’s clear why I’m positive you have accomplished zero in terms of change.”
If there was a law against hypocrisy you’d be sitting in Folsom for 10 to 20. Better start drinking decaf before you blow a gasket.
I forgot to add an incident in a school zone that I experienced last year.
A Fullerton police truck was parked directly across from an elementary school just as school was letting out. The female officer who was deployed in this vehicle, was standing just at the edge of her now open car door, which was basically in the middle of traffic, citing motorists who were stopped for children jaywalking directly in front of her and the opposing motorists. What could she possibly be citing them for? Being double-parked in the middle of the street parallel to a red curb.
I sent a copy of the tape that I shot of her doing the exact same thing the following day to the city council and the FPD and my citation was dismissed.
I also forgot that the female officer shouted to me that she hadn’t given me her permission to videotape and I replied that I didn’t ask for it either. When pressed on the matter, I asked her rhetorically if she asks strangers at Disneyland for their permission to film them when she films her kids at Disneyland? This seemed to appease her sensibilities and she left me alone and put on her dark shades instead and continued citing motorists.
Never noticed her around the school much after all that though, so I’m surmising that someone said something to her later.
p.s. no children were ever hurt the entire year before or after that incident. From what I heard later, there were up to 50 different families that did receive the same citation as I di and they each paid $75 to the city to settle them.
You should post the video on YouTube if you still have it. Of course that will qualify you as an “activist” and may merit the attention of the ‘dreaded’ FFFF Spy Van.
If the poh-lice were as concerned about the safety of the children as they are about writing tickets they’d use the revenue from those tickets to widen the street for a pick-up/drop-off lane. But then they couldn’t look cool in front of all those kids, writing tickets in dark sunglasses.
Funny. Widen the streets. Go look at most school zones and you will see there isn’t much room for any expansion.
I’d hate to be the one to have to tell the parents of a dead child it’s too bad what happened, but there just wasn’t room for a loading zone.
School drop off zones are a mess everywhere. Drop off zones are worthless for one because without cops the parents park in them and walk their kids into class. Now the drop off zones are full and it all turns into a danger zone.
“Drop off zones are worthless … because without cops the parents park in them and walk their kids into class.”
That’s what the cops are for – to make sure the parents move along. Cattle prods are used for the same purpose.
“Now the drop off zones are full and it all turns into a danger zone.”
You’re twisting like a snake that’s got a fork stuck on its head. The zones aren’t full because the cops are shooing the parents out the exit. And besides, even if the zones were full it would be better to write tickets in a loading zone than in the middle of the street like that cop that fullerton lover nailed.
Agree.
There are several methods used. That’s one. I like others. Personal preference for the area and activity. All are ok to use. Whatever accomplishes the goal, which is the long term safety of the kids.
Good for you and glad you feel that way.
Yes double parking. Most dangerous part of school zones. Lazy parents leading directly to the potential injury of their children. Amazing how smooth and safe school zones are when a cop is sitting there. I like the use of video cameras in school zones. Education by mailing fliers to all the school parents, and then enforce with video. Then mail all the violators a citation in the mail. Amazing how well the thought of someone video’ing makes them park and drop properly.
🙂
Naaaaaaaa. All good. Focus on the price Cackle. Don’t get distracted by an agenda of ripping on cops doing their jobs in school zones or citing speeders. You wil lose that battle. The battle you are focusing on at least has potential for a win. The other one has no shot.
“If there was a law against hypocrisy you’d be sitting in Folsom for 10 to 20. Better start drinking decaf before you blow a gasket.”
Ha ha ha ha ha. Good one.
I sent the OC Weekly article to my mother last night. Here’s part of her response:
“I read it all. The Department really sounds like a “good ol’ boy” ring of macho, perhaps unqualified policemen. I am still curious about Pat McKinley’s former wife, Beverly. If he instituted the paramilitary tactics, he must have brought what he learned with the LAPD with him.”
SWAT became an important influence in law enforcement starting in the 1960s. McKinley was a part of that and brought his philosophy to Fullerton. Give some kids some weapons to play with and guess what happens? They play with them.
White Paper
July 17, 2006
Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
by Radley Balko
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/13673446
Holy cow! This is an excellent article that needs to be read by every kid in High School! It makes me furious to know the families of those victims are treated like co-conspirators of some bogus crime.
I bring my librarian skills to the table to help the cause.
I read this in the dental chair yesterday trying to distract myself, and it worked.
The link I sent earlier is a little difficult read, so her’s another in pdf form.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf
“so here’s another in pdf form.”
Geez.
I found this article about a one man crusade after he was beaten by Police in King County, Washington. He found out that that no one keeps stats on Police misconduct, so he began to do just that.
Article about David Packman here:http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/once-wrongly-accused-man-now-tracks-police-misconduct-8981
His website here:http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/
I have looked at that site frequently. Good for him. Look at this picture:
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/203411-casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop
Carolyn Hastings comments:
“Just about as eloquent as any image can get…”
This painting by John Trumbull depicts the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. The image of Lt John Pike using pepper spray on peaceful protesters on Nov 18, 2011 illustrates the full circle our country has come since breaking away from the English monarchy.
It seems the tyrants have followed us over here.
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I still laugh when I see this thread! OMG!
Yeah, it seems Lt. Pike is being immortalized on the web and not in a good way. I believe that most of, if not all are done by David Dees.
http://www.sl-webs.com/deesillustration/home.asp
Check out this one;
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv02mmCxvR1r6m1z5o1_500.jpg
This is uncomfortably close to what happened when Jimmy confronted Hee Haw at the City Council meeting:
http://youtu.be/iU7y81FBxu4
Too funny!
We need to encourage Doc Jones to grow a similar moustache to Mein Fuhrer so Jimmy doesn’t get confused as to whom he’s talking with next time he speaks at the dais.
Welcome to Fullerton.
How a city council and police department disgraced itself in front of a worldwide audience.
Now the memes of Pike are grouped together in a slide show. Quite creative.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepper-spray-cop-casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop/photos
You name, they did it.
Thanks Jane H! I knew this one would be up LT Pike spray Jesus Christ at the Last Supper
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef015437338dc3970c-600wi
Perhaps Lt Pike is auditioning for a job with the FPD?
I agree with you. I’m sure they are all very humbled and very cautious in anything they say and do. Like I said, pro activity in Fullerton is close to zero. I was just saying it wasn’t as dramatic as 53 made it sound. Cops being loud and eating like its a big party and 53 walks by with his shirt on and they immediately shut up and stare at him in awe. That was the image I was questioning. Maybe it wasn’t that dramatic. Email and text and blogging often portrays the wrong emotion or picture. 🙂
…I don’t think that it was a feeling of awe, I think it was actually an awful feeling that the officers felt at being reminded of Kelly Thomas as not all officers here in Fullerton are callous and indifferent, many of them have hearts too.
Sad reality is that we can do almost nothing for the homeless. They come up and ask all the time. I need a place to sleep. I need food. I need money. It’s crazy that the only thing we can say is visit the welfare office or county services tomorrow. It’s been that way forever and will only get worse.
Bad Weather Shelter for homeless to see funding halved in 2012
By Janette Williams, Staff Writer
Posted: 11/24/2011 06:15:57 AM PST
PASADENA – With winter approaching, the city’s bad weather shelter is ready to open its doors to the homeless today on a weather-activated basis until daily service starts Jan. 1.
“We’re ready,” said the Rev. Pat O’Reilly, executive director of the Ecumenical Council of Pasadena Area Churches.
The ECPAC program, which has helped house and feed thousands of homeless men, women and children since 1986, costs $110,000 to operate each year, O’Reilly said, using state and city funding boosted by private donations.
Next year promises to be that much harder, she said.
The city’s regular $60,000 contribution won’t be coming in 2012 because of budget cuts.
“Pasadena has said they won’t be able to support us as usual next year,” O’Reilly said. “So, for the first time, we’ve got a `Friends of the bad weather shelter”‘ to help fill the funding gap.
The idea came from Rebecca Huang, a 17-year-old high school senior, who has already started trying to raise $60,000 to close next year’s funding gap.
Huang, daughter of Pasadena’s Housing Director Bill Huang, said she decided to take action after hearing her father talk about the program’s funding loss.
“I’m just learning about how important this program is – before, I never even knew Pasadena had a bad weather shelter,” Rebecca Huang said. “I found out more, and I found that in the past nine people have actually died in Los Angeles County from hypothermia. And if we don’t
keep this shelter running the same thing could happen again. The homeless don’t have any other place to go when it’s cold and rainy.”
She said the group has raised about $2,000 so far, starting with an annual $600 pledge from Mayor Bill Bogaard for the next four years.
Now she’s working to get the word out.
Huang plans to set up small displays in restaurants and businesses using information sheets and business cards with contact and donation information, and she said a group of students at Art Center College of Design is working on bus-shelter poster art as a class project.
“They’re doing it for free,” Huang said. “I need to find someone to print them, and we’d have to pay for that.”
O’Reilly said Huang is reaching out beyond the usual donor base.
“What Rebecca wanted to do was … find 100 donors, particularly businesses, committed to giving $600 a year,” O’Reilly said. “But she realized not everyone wants to give $600 – that’s a lot of money – so there are all different levels. One person donated $50.”
Since 2009, demand for the shelter’s services has steadily risen along with homeless numbers in Pasadena – now at 1,216, O’Reilly said.
“We’re comfortable with 150 (homeless) a night but we’ve been up to 197, and that’s too many,” she said.
The shelter will open every night in January and February, but until then will be available only when the temperature goes below 40 degrees or there’s a 40 percent chance of rain, O’Reilly said.
Families can check in at 7 p.m., she said. “They eat, and we transport them to another church, Altadena Community Church of Messiah Church in Pasadena.”
Others are admitted and given a hot meal at 8 p.m., she said, with more than 30 local groups, including church congregations, providing the food.
Huang said she doesn’t expect raising funds to be easy.
“But I think there are a lot of good people out there,” she said. “A lot of people say they’d like to help.”
For more information, or to donate, go to ecpac.net/FriendsOfBWS.html or call 626-797-2402.
janette.williams@sgvn.com
626-578-6300, ext. 4482
This is why in the end, no wrong doing will be shown. Demanding the arrested be released, blocking and encircling the cops, refusing to move after being advised numerous times. The long video tells more of the story but admitting the truth like this will clear Pike and everyone involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbmiZD2-j08&feature=youtube_gdata_player
FL: TY. 🙂
…and RI: It wasn’t dramatic, but you could definitely see the reaction. My wife even commented when we walked out so it ain’t just me that noticed lol.
They are very aware that they are under a microscope, and that some very serious sh*t is coming down the pipes. 😉
I see. I’ll buy that. 🙂
Serious shit? To the cops? Like what? I can see some management changes, discipline changes, supervisory changes after the Gennaco report comes out. Other than that, I don’t think the operations of the PD will change much from how it is today. Today.
We both will have to wait and see, but you are correct that AT LEAST management, disciplinary protocol and training will be affected.
Happy Thanksgiving man. :beer:
Yep. I think those will be the main points in the report.
Back at ya.
What training will that be, How Not to Kill Unarmed Civilians 101 or Advanced How Not to Steal from TSA Checkpoints? I can think of a few, meaning dozens, more. You can’t train away crooked.
Nice rehash, but nothing new here. Move along.
I do wish the Weekly would be a little less self-righteous.
OC Weekly a slight Hearstish quality
Uh, if it’s nothing new then why hasn’t the MSM picked up on four-fifths of it? Too busy?
Tuco knows….
This article should be sent to the State Attorney General particularly from Council members Whitaker and Silva. They need to ask for an investigation by the state. Fullerton’s finest need an enema! That includes all the silent ones who are supposed to be good cops but are not because they continue to allow scum like Sexual predator Rincon to run their department.
LASD is being outfitted with state-of-the-art computer terminals in their vehicles. The new system allows deputies to pinpoint the location of a call using GPS technology, and instantly gives voice command of the most direct route.
The system also allows deputies to read fingerprints in the field and get positive ID if the subject’s prints are on file.
This sounds like a great advancement for LE, but of course one has to anticipate how (not if) it’s going to be abused.
For example, it’s not hard to imagine wholesale fingerprinting of everyone in a residence regardless if they were involved in a disturbance or not. Fishing for warrants, in other words.
And what happens to the prints of someone who isn’t on record? Are they kept and entered into a database even if the subject has committed no crime? How long are the prints kept on file?
It’s a proven fact that LE attempts to circumvent judicial oversight by manufacturing probable cause. How that will manifest with this new system isn’t known, but it’s a sure bet it will.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-raytheon-sheriff-20111125,0,7649379.story
Here’s the Raytheon press release describing the system. In the video underneath the “Calling All Cars” heading at about the 00:50 mark the deputy claims they will be able to use the map to see cars on the street. No, they won’t. The maps aren’t real time, they’re the same maps you or I can see with Google Earth, and they’re anywhere from a few months to a few years old.
Kids with a new toy sometimes say the darndest things!
Forgot to post the Raytheon link.
http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/feature/rtn11_lsa/index.html
I read that yesterday and chuckled because it was so apropos.
More paramilitary toys.
You know how it is. If you don’t have confidence or trust, things can be abused everyday by LE. Nothing anyone can do. Have to have the right policies and supervision in place.
License plate reader is another tool that will be all over soon. I can tell where your car has been for a long period of time just by entering your plate.
Yes with no trust, not saying you should or will have any, but LE can abuse many things like this, the GPS, major dope money.
GPS is probably one of the most abused technologies LE is using. Placement of GPS trackers is currently unregulated and amounts to 24/7 surveillance on vehicles. GPS cell phones are likewise being followed 24/7 without any warrant or even probable cause – there’s no regulation whatsoever.
Several federal court rulings are in conflict and have made their way to the US Supreme Court where it’s being reviewed.
There’s an axiom that applies to LE and their use of technology: If it can be abused, it will be.
I’m not surprised to hear you say there’s nothing that can be done. It sounds a lot like the LASD captain how had all the cameras in his office that were supposed to prevent abuse of the inmates.
In fact a lot can be done. Organizations like the ACLU are forcing LE to institute changes that are too difficult, or too expensive, or too time consuming. There’s always a reason.
It seems clear to me that LE organizations like FPD that won’t voluntarily reign in their abuses are going to have a choke collar put on them by their civilian watchdogs.
Yes. I just speak realistically. No supervision it doesn’t matter what is implemented. There will never be an ACLU attorney on every call.
Not was I was implying, although the technology is available today to make that happen.
The Raytheon video of the system LASD is implementing allows live video feeds of officers as they interact with the public. It’s not too hard to imagine a scenario where a civilian oversight committee monitors an out-of-compliance cop by watching via copcam 24/7 — an ankle bracelet on the department, in other words.
Technology can be a double-edged sword.
I have said many times that is the dream. 24/7 video. Won’t ever happen in our lifetime.
Whah? You don’t know about the hack to remotely operate laptop webcams? People with sticky fingers know how to watch those nubile coeds undressing with just a few keystrokes.
The LASD system is using AT&T’s 4G network. I guarantee you it’s already been hacked. And the day – nay, the very second, some cop puts a video cam on his shoulder he’ll be providing entertainment to frat houses around the web. 24/7. Guaranteed.
What do you think of the idea of a random sampling of a small percentage, say <5%, of all police calls by a two-person quality assurance inspection team? Post the results with FPD Management and the City Council, and work on improving scores in the future via feedback received by audits performed by QA inspection teams .
It’s a great idea. There are numerous variables though.
Training of the team. It can’t ever be some citizen that rates on their beliefs.
Send through a police academy as an observer and then a law and policy class. Scenario training and simulators. Rating method formed between citizen team, city team, and police team. No discipline from the ratings. It’s possible. Just not as easy as it sounds.
Realistic part is if the team is out there everything will be outstanding at all times. So then a waste of time. Biggest obstacle is funding for this team also.
Anything is possible but the biggest obstacles will always be money and a realistic, reasonable form of rating.
wouldn’t be as necessary if they kept their policy mandated recorders on. damn give that supervisor a week off for lettin the troops run wild. that’ll teach’em to supervise.
Problem is they can’t turn them on in all situations. Policy is shall attempt to turn on as soon as possible. That’s why I said a 24/7 system is best but not feasible due to cost and not having a reliable head cam system yet.
…I know that there are many who will disagree with me, however after serving my country and working in the military-industrial sector my whole life, I still believe that 9-11 was an inside job that created a boogey man for the US taxpayers to fear, and the defense contractors to profit from, by selling hardware to the miltary and the police departments whose budgets were bolstered after 9-11, in order to fight terrorism.
I laugh every time I see the video of Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC complex, telling reporters how he gave the okay to “pull” Building 7 – “pull” being slang for “detonate” in the demolition business. This is one of a catalog of false flag and other ops that have murdered tens of thousands of US citizens since WWII.
How about the attack on the USS Liberty? Or the sinking of the USS Indianapolis? Just to name two mild examples of government assassination of its own citizens.
After having delivered the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, the Indianapolis was allowed to travel through waters known to be patrolled by Japanese submarines. The U.S. didn’t want to tip off the Japanese that their codes had been broken, so they ignored the sub’s messages to naval HQ in Japan that they’d sunk a US battleship along the Indy’s path.
http://www.ussindianapolis.org/story.htm
The USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli warplanes at the height of the 1967 Arab Israeli war. Testimony after the fact leaves no doubt it was an attempt to create an excuse for LBJ to attack Egypt. Ironically, it was Soviet warships who came to the rescue of Liberty and prevented the Israelis from sinking her.
http://www.gtr5.com/
Here are 3 men who conveniently died of ‘heart attacks’ —
Kim il Sung – N. Korean dictator;
Ken Lay – convicted Enron CEO, intimate friend of the Bush family; one of the architects of the plan to partition Iraqi oil fields after the US invasion. Died at his vacation home while awaiting transfer to US prison.
Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud – named by Abu Zubaydah as one of three Saudi princes who helped him finance and provide operational support to Osama bin Laden. After having been identified, all three died within days of each other.
…what about the American hostages at the Iranian Embassy? Do you honestly think that Bush and his ilk in the CIA didn’t have their slimy little hands involved?
I wouldn’t doubt it. Reagan had his hands in it, why not Bush?
It’s a documented fact that the CIA was involved in bringing crack cocaine into South Central during the ’80s. Bush had been CIA director under Gerald Ford and was VP to Reagan while the CIA was peddling crack in South Central.
As an aside, it’s interesting to note the number of journalists who suddenly commit suicide while researching or publishing books that are unflattering to the government.
GARY WEBB wrote a series of articles for the San Jose Mercury news that detailed the CIA connection to the Contras and their LA crack cocaine operation. Part 3 of the following video series really takes off on that:
http://thefilmarchived.blogspot.com/2010/09/gary-webb-on-dark-alliance-cia-contras.html
He was found shot to death with two gunshot wounds to the face. His death was ruled a suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
DANNY CASOLARO was a freelance writer who was writing a story about an international cabal of criminals he called The Octopus that has tentacles reaching inside the US government. He was found dead in a bathtub with his wrists slashed 10 or 12 times. His death was ruled a suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro
JAMES HATFIELD was an author who wrote about Geo W Bush’s boozy days in the Texas National Guard, and claimed to have proof that W was given a discharge from the Guard due to cocaine abuse. His book, Fortunate Son, came out in the lead up to the 2000 presidential election. He was found in a motel room, dead of an overdose of prescription drugs. His death was ruled a suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortunate_Son_(Hatfield)
I was in the U.S. Air Force when this was occurring, and can verify the authenticity of this story, and even add to it with my own rendition of suspicious events that were occurring out of Cannon AFB in New Mexico in the 80’s.
Which are you referring to, FL? I would be interested to hear what you know.
I can personally verify that there was U.S. knowledge of drug trafficking and the Contras using USAF aircraft as couriers.
Col. North’s handwritten notebooks and memoranda show that North and other U.S. officials were repeatedly informed that the Contras’ ties to trafficking of drugs from Latin America into the United States and that airplanes from the U.S. used to supply arms to the Contras were being flown back with Contras personnel aboard carrying cocaine into the United States. The matter was further examined in the 1997 report of the US Department of Justice Inspector General, where the main question under investigation was whether CIA was instrumental in creating the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles, and where evidence was presented of patronizing by CIA of drug trafficking to Los Angeles, California.
The crack cocaine epidemic in the US was a result of the Boland amendment, which prohibited direct support by the CIA of rebels attempting to overthrow the Marxist Sandanistas in Nicaragua.
This is another example of government corruption by running an end play around oversight. Just like teaching drug sniffing dogs to give a false positive so probable cause for a search can lead to forfeitures.
The corruption is now so widespread I don’t think it’s possible to remove it.
I think the part that always bothered me the most, would be why would our own government import cocaine to poison their own citizens with it’s use?
That to me would be like me bringing cocaine home to my children, and then wondering aloud why they’re getting into so much trouble all of the time, and are having difficulties concentrating at school
Marisa didnt give us anything we already knew. Why not report something we dont know. Old News.
You’re an idiot.
Idiot is being nice. Brain dead? 🙂
The Golden State’s pension systems are fraught with areas of concern.
A report last year by the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research said retirement funds for 2.6 million California teachers, state workers and university employees have long-term unfunded obligations totaling as much as $500 billion.
At the center of the attempt to fix the state’s pension system is an Inland Valley lawmaker who faces a difficult election bid next year.
State Sen. Gloria Negrete McLeod, D-Montclair, is co-chairing a bipartisan panel of six state lawmakers – the Joint Legislative Conference Committee on Public Employee Pensions – that will hear the statewide concerns of employers and employees on the issue of pension reform.
“We have to find some way to fix it,” McLeod said in a recent interview.
Committee members said they are expected to examine the current public pensions systems, the efficacy of recent reforms, and options going forward to help bring fiscal stability to the systems in a way that is fair to both workers and the citizens of California.
The next hearing is scheduled from 1 to 5 p.m. Dec. 1 at the state Capitol. Another hearing is set for the Bay Area but has not been scheduled.
“I am hopeful that the final outcome of these hearings will be a package that achieves real and measurable reform that has broad support and represents a consensus agreement,” McLeod said.
The committee got to work on Oct.
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26 in Carson with a discussion of the condition of the public pension system, including reforms recently implemented at both the state and local level.
Local government representatives discussed some of the actions taken and being considered to reduce and contain costs such as layoffs, reduced benefits, the creation of a second tier of benefits, and the elimination of employer pickup of employee contributions.
“The state has taken care of much of its problem with state workers and now we have to worry about local workers that also feed into the (Public Employee Retirement System),” McLeod said.
The committee is working through the legislative interim recess to deliver a conference report for consideration early next year, according to a committee news release.
Gov. Jerry Brown in late October proposed sweeping rollbacks to public employee pension benefits.
Earlier this month, state Sen. Bob Dutton, R-Rancho Cucamonga, and fellow GOP lawmakers urged the convening of a special legislative session on Brown’s pension reform proposal.
McLeod represents the 32nd Senate District, which includes Pomona, Fontana, Montclair, Ontario, Rialto, Bloomington and part of Chino.
She recently announced she will run for the newly drawn 35th Congressional District seat, which will represent Pomona, Montclair, Ontario, Chino, Bloomington and portions of Fontana and Rialto.
U.S. Rep. Joe Baca, D-San Bernardino, is expected to run for that seat as well. Assemblywoman Norma Torres, D-Chino, has indicated interest in running.
Reach Neil via email, call him at 909-483-9356, or find him on Twitter @InlandGov.
Hey RI: I would love to read more of your personal typing instead of quoting other peoples stuff. I appreciate it more when you take the time to write it yourself. Cheers. 🙂
Just stuff we talk about.
Hers my own. Occupy LA over on Sunday night. Hope they leave as they should. 🙂
Can I get a F yeah! lol
At least we agree on a few things lol.
Hundreds will stay. Fight. Sue. Standard. Just hope no one gets hurt.
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I don’t have a reader that supports icons, JFA. What are you using?
Just type the symbols on your keyboard for: colon, hyphen, right parenthesis
Did that. Manually entered them, and copy/pasted them, too. Maybe I should use a Microflaccid product.
: – ) like this, only type them with no spaces in between the symbols…won’t that work for you?
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You’re one of those low grade Reality Is. Don’t forget to check your insurance, hon!
huh? How did this post end up down here? 🙁 weird …
(The smileys are for R.I.) But, CackleFoos, I’m so glad you got it to work!
No worries here baby. 🙂
:-):-):-) Thanks, JFA!
Let me try that again:
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You are sooo very welcome. And, THANK YOU for all of your kind help. I have great hope, because of your kind words.
You nailed it on the head. Me vs We mentality. They use national security as a justification, but it’s really all about ego and power lust. And greed.
Nothing needs to be added to what you just said, you’ve expressed it in a way no one else could have. Sad.
Agree. Very sad. Been that way for years and now getting worse, which I didn’t think was possible. At least you are learning the reality of things.
Wow. I never knew how miserable your life is. Sucks to be you!
My life is far from miserable but I guess you thinking its miserable is probably better. 🙂
Justice for All – looks like you’ve rattled that cheap imitation of the main Reality Is. This is obviously one of the snarling lowlifes that has to work the weekend shift.
Lovin’ it!
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Shift change. 🙂
You don’t need the dash fyi. Just do colon then parentheses, no spaces. 😉
^ That one is semi-colon then end parentheses btw. :p
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Thanks vw type 53A!!
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i am gonna go watch my little ponies now
NP. Let’s try this one while we’re at it: B)
That didn’t work…bummer. 🙁
Here, now that we have de-railed this thread anyway lol:
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
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Who’d a thunk it…I taught a cop something lol. 😛
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Wow you just made the font shrink for the whole post. I thought lying made the nose grow not shrink? Lol
You are funny JFA but I know you aren’t as dumb as you make yourself appear. You can’t fool me. You are using the chicken method of operation, say very dumb stupid things to make it look like you are brain dead, or only have a GED as you like to say.
You can’t fool me buddy. 🙂
Oh really. Which part did I get wrong? The part about all of you being paid cop bloggers? And, try REALLY HARD not to lie or tell half-truths, for once in your life.
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The whole thing. Not one truth in it. Good effort though. 🙂
Now THAT is HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!
You made me fall off my chair laughing!!
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Haaaaaaaaaa me to. Haaaaaaa hardy har har haaaaaaa!! At least use one truth so people might believe some of it. Haaaaaaaaaaaa lol haaaaaaaaaaaaa 🙂
Sorry, everything I said WAS COMPLETELY TRUE. And, most folks already KNOW IT.
Maybe after the recall, things will begin to change.
Then you are dumber than I thought. I gave you credit for some common sense and knowledge of reality. I guess not. It will be much harder for you to accept the future then. Reality of the future is way beyond your reality of will actually occur. I’m sorry sir. I had hope for you. 🙁
liar,
reality is a paid pig blogger using a stolen Ipad
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Lol that’s funny. Stolen iPad. I like it. 🙂
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i bet you is that fpd pig that stole that ipod or her daughter 🙂
This post is a mess on my iPad now. Your never ending smiles made it so I have to zoom now to read it. How can I blog at starbucks 24 7 when I have to zoom?
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Really? NICE!!
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Yes. In your mind. Yes. I know you are dumb but not as dumb as you make people think. 🙂
Are you resorting to ad hominem attacks now?? Poor desperate cop blogger, blogging away on the public dime…
Not sure what ad hominem means lol. I’m not poor. I’m blogging for a nickel a post. We do it all day everyday in shifts remember? I have swing shift tonight. My relief comes in at 1am. This blog is down to just us these days though so the nickels are hard to get. At least my smileys are becoming a common theme though. 🙂
Well, you have until at least 1AM to educate yourself and look it up.
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you don’t hang around at the La Habra It’s A Grind with the other LEOs?
C’mon now guys…just because you CAN use the smilies doesn’t mean you SHOULD lol.
…I am leaving in an hour for the Doll Hut; Burnin Groove and Mirainga makes for a great show…if any of yo come it’s five bucks at the door, and look for me: I’m the tall skinny white guy in the rotiform shirt. 😉
Nice!! Enjoy 🙂
Aye. It will be good catching up; last I saw Burnin Groove was when 369 closed…like 11(?) years ago? It will be fun times for sure! 😀
Too bad you can’t make the show tonight; it’ll all be over by 1. And don’t feed the animals dude, they will simply come back for more lol.
P.S. That ‘stolen iPad comment had me rolling, that was great! 😛
…and to bring it back on topic, a HUGE Thank You to Marisa; that was a very well written article, and you are destined for far greater things than the OC Weekly. For those that do not know Marisa, she is a sweetheart and I am happy for her getting the cover story. Good stuff.
G’night everyone, see you fools tomorrow. 8)
(z.z)
One more thing before I sign off for the evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOu8cFzypc
…y manana otra cosa. Sleep tight comrades.
Okay, I need to do some smileys too. Gotta join the party!
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Shut it already. Stupid.
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LOL you made me a nickel right on time!! Thanks! 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWvjUPI_JeA
Listen closely jerks,,,
You work for US goddamnit. Get it right.
Do you really think you are different from us citizens? Really?
…well if that is the case F*CK YOU! And the taxpayer horse you fell off of. Way to go about protecting us normal people a-holes.
I am so sick of this crap it makes my head spin.
what u talking about willis
That is Mr. Willis to you.
…and why do you ask stupid questions? Go to bed and re-read it in the morning. Sheesh.
LOL your post is at the bottom after some smileys.
sol
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you are really lame, i feel sorry for you, really i do
Wired.com has an article that details LE and government spying in its most insidious forms, if anyone still thinks “1984” is just a book of fiction.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/reasons-to-wear-tinfoil-hats/
While flying back from Dubai several years ago I witnessed a large, gruff individual stand up and walk from the business class to my aisle in coach. He opened up the overhead bin and, without a word, placed a briefcase on top of my laptop, then returned to his seat in business class where he remained for the rest of the flight.
The device he placed on my laptop scanned the hard drive and recorded its contents without making any physical connection. Obviously, someone behind me had been watching and alerted him that my laptop was available to be scanned. Had he not been able to do this I’m sure it would have been scanned at the Chicago airport when I arrived.
This technology has previously been mentioned in other online articles, but not in this one.
Coming to the skies over your backyard – police drones!
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-drones-for-profit-20111127,0,6584711.story