The Phone Call. Was it Made? If So, By Whom And Why?
From the very beginning of the Kelly Thomas beating death at the hands, Tasers, fist and feet of the Fullerton Police Department, that department’s spokeshole, Sergeant Andrew Goodrich told the public that the fateful incident was intiated with a phone call: a phone call to the dispatcher stating that somebody was breaking into cars in the vicinity of the Transportation Center.
From the get go, the story sounded absurd to people who knew Kelly Thomas and who averred that Thomas wasn’t violent or a thief. And of course to a public that has come to understand that Sergeant Goodrich seems incapable of telling the smallest bit of truth, the idea that there was a call at all became a matter of doubt.
Tellingly, the police have issued no information about this mysterious phone call and who made it, and so far they have given no indication that they have the slightest iota of evidence that anybody was breaking into cars at all.
This is important, because it lends credence to the idea that the phone call, if there was one, was made in collaboration with the police themselves. This could implicate both caller and cops in a conspiracy. A conspiracy to do what? Since the result of the incident was the bludgeoning death of a harmless man, that question is almost to horrible to contemplate. But at the very least the facts lead to the reasonable deduction that the conspiracy, if it existed, was meant to deprive Kelly Thomas of his civil rights – a violation of the First, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment right, to be specific.
Of course making a false report to the police is some sort of crime (although Goodrich has yet to make an honest report to the public, which seems to be A-OK to his higher ups and the City Council). So somebody should be in big trouble for that alone.
Was there a call? If so, who made the call and why? I don’t know, but I admonish the Do-nothing DA and the Federal investigators to find out. You can bet Ron Kelly’s attorney Garo Mardirossian and his investigators will. Soon.
Time to come clean.
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The call was made to a non-emergency number to avoid a 911 tape. made from the Sleazebar in a conspiracy with FPD. Homeles people were interrupting the bathroom coke sales.
Just like all your other demands that have been shoved up your azz, this one has too. You don’t dictate how people do things. That has been made clear and the further delay is just to make that point clear. You will get information, see video, etc when they say you will and no sooner.
The phone call is part of that. The defaming of uninvolved parties is ridiculous and illegal, and will lead to lawsuits against Bushala and anyone else directly involved.
Chief on indefinite coward leave…. check
FBI invesigation…. Check
New investigation on hampton and his gang of liars…. check
Murdering cops off the street… check
Mayor going to step down…. possible check
Worldwide media attention…. check
Something is getting shoved up someones azz and it aint the Kelly supporters azz….. more checks to come…
Some people are goimg to reap what they have sown.
Clown: “Just like all your other demands that have been shoved up your azz, this one has too.”
Racer X: Keep laughing while you can. Your arrogance and lack of common sense are part of this circus.
Clown: “You don’t dictate how people do things.”
Racer X: Of course we don’t, and you are included in the group. Do you really think you can dictate how I do things?
Clown: “That has been made clear and the further delay is just to make that point clear. You will get information, see video, etc when they say you will and no sooner.”
Racer X: We all know something fishy is going on from day one. A cover up, a theater play, drama queens wearing blue uniforms (oh! I’m so stressed out that I need to leave the FPD office for a few weeks, Oh! these protests are giving me headaches…), Where have you been?
Clown: “The phone call is part of that.”
Racer X: Really?
Clown: “The defaming of uninvolved parties is ridiculous and illegal, and will lead to lawsuits against Bushala and anyone else directly involved.”
Racer X: I seriously think you need a lawyer. I don’t doubt that Tony Bushala is in the eye of everyone involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas, did you read well Clown? MURDER; but don’t worry too much, it will take years and years before they make someone else accountable for what happened. The six bastards are going down and we will keep protesting every single Saturday so you better get used to it.
Do you want a free ticket to watch this movie next year? http://kellythomasmovie.com/
Let me know.
Murder for freedom a stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
Are there individuals mad at the public for having to serve abroad? Do these individuals think they are the only ones that have suffered?
Run to the hills, run for your life….
Who’s “they”?
Every single phone call coming or going into the station gets recorded, not just the 911 line!
Every single phone call coming or going into the station gets recorded, not just the 911 line!
This blog is what Fullerton needs. The lid is blowing off the COVER-UP. You know that one lie needs another to cover and before long you are up all night trying to remember what you lied about and who and how many know that they are lies. The bags under the eyes of the department spokesperson are pretty telling. Such a shame. We all know the truth and soon the truth will stand on its own.
If one is man enough to kill another, then that one should be man enough to explain why he really neede to do it.
Well anyway, we can understand why you would want\need to kill another human being, but try explaining why you really needed to in front of 12 strangers you never met before, .
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#263 by Been askin’ around on August 21, 2011
Jeremy didn’t make the call. A Slidebar manager did. That person feels awful for following Jeremy’s policy to call FPD in a particular manner (reporting that a crime is in progress) that allows them to be aggressive from the get-go. I believe this method was developed between Jeremy and his FPD cronies because Jeremy thinks the homeless scum is bad for his business. Well Jeremy, let me tell you what is ultimately bad for your business. When your staff is questioned by the FBI, and they will be, and it comes out that you have an internal policy dictating that staff call in false claims of criminal activity, you will face the following:
Your self described fame will turn to infamy and your business will fail.
You will face numerous state and federal criminal charges.
You will loose whatever wealth you have accumulated to the various civil lawsuits that will come from the Thomas family, and in all probability, your staff.
Amen.
Anyone report a car being broken into yet?
there was No car being broken into…..there was NO report of a car being broken into….for business reasons the Slimebar wanted Kelly Thomas out of mind out of site.
And obviously, Andy would have said so if there were such a call.
Heres a hint. The call was made from someone with no affiliation with a bar and some of the property in Kelly’s possession came from a car parked in that lot. The rest will be in the investigation and DA’s report.
Here’s a hint… You are not supposed to beat someone to death for an alleged property crime. …. You cannot kill someone in California for a property crime ….. Not even inside your own home.. much less a parking lot, and the cops did not witness the crime…..
If the person is inside your house or property..the hell you can.
I live in Fullerton. Unknown person in my house or property = my friend Mr. Berg. Mr. Mossberg.
Amen.
Yes, can’t kill someone for that. We can’t have dumb people out goose stepping around looking for people to kill. Last we checked, we were in America, a republic\democracy. We have a system designed to bring justice. Last we rememdered, the punishment must fit the crime.
Fullerton Is It, here’s a hint: you are full of sh*t and then some.
your wrong. the possessions in kellys backpack did not come from someones car. The backpack he was wearing for two days.All the items where still there when the pack was eventualy returned to the owner. If his intent was malice many of those belongings in the pack would have been thrown away. The call could have been fictitious on the basis that the police already had a tip on the pack.
Well, since all the facts have not been revealed to the public plebes, I assume “Outrage” will be on here any second now excoritating your rush to judgment before the “investigation” is complete.
Really? Then how come Goodrich was so quick to indicate that Kelly had “legal documents” in his possession – which turned out to be trash from some lawyer’s office – and nothing else. FPD would has always been forthcoming with their own brand of partial info and spin.
I want to know if there was a call, and if there was, who made it. I want to know if there was collusion to make and respond to a false police report. The latter suggests “malice aforethought” and premeditation to commit a crime and a civil rights violation.
I would think that a lawyer would be the first person to shred his or her mail.
Kim, you though wrong.
So be it.
Hey ‘Fullerton Is It’, which one of those six Nazi thugs are you? Or are you one of their bros? Or maybe your that bald-headed candy-ass McKinley. Come clean ahole!
Might be one of the wives trying to defend her stay at home status which will be history soon, and she may instictly know it.
“some of the property in Kelly’s possession came from a car parked in that lot. ”
BS. I checked the police reports from that night. Not one single car breakin/theft that night in Fullerton. Not one.
Get your information correct. Turned out Kelly didn’t have anything stolen in his backpack or on his person. Even if he did that doesn’t warrant beating him to DEATH! Even if he ran and was resisting arrest the FPD aren’t judge, jury and executioner! But they sentenced him to DEATH and carried out the execution. Kelly was never arrested or charged with a crime.
Some investigation! The DA is best buds with the Fullerton Chief of police How transparent or unbiased do you think the investigation will really be?
We work our butts off to put our own into school and service, and what we get back is barbaric, yet the barbarian refuses to see he’s barbaric.
This dept. has been corrupt for decades. Covering up rapes, theft of property by police officers, misuse of city time (going to Vegas when saying it’s for training), fraud and the like. I bet FPD planted whatever “property” was from a car. I know he (Kelly Thomas) was hogtied while the murder was occuring, I know what these people are capable of and Sgt. Andy is a worthless POS. He is an overpaid sissy who ran and hid on calls for service during his ‘patrol days’. You should be ashamed of yourself or are you one of them???!!!
Fullerton Is It on August 21, 2011
Heres a hint. The call was made from someone with no affiliation with a bar and some of the property in Kelly’s possession came from a car parked in that lot. The rest will be in the investigation and DA’s report.
What is the usual Federal penalty for planting evidence? The FBI won’t blindly go along with the gag like T-Rack. You might want to be careful how far you take this charade, bub. Unless you’re one of the 6. Then wadda ya’ got to lose, right?
If Kelly Thomas has stolen one iota or, there was one shred of proof he broke into cars, the FPD would have come out with that a loooong time ago son. Come on now. Think of something better. Hint -hint.
#9. You are patently incorrect about the source of the phone call.
#9 is no longer #9 This blog changes #s when people reply.
I can put some property in your possession that was reported stolen after I let my cop buddies beat and kick and spit and curse at you until you are dead.. how does that sound? 😛
Sure but what about me trying cars for open doors?
Sounds like this person has no introspection, a total lack of humility.
Everyone knew sweet Kelly was not violent except for his mother (restraining order) or Grandfather who Kelly beat with a fire poker.
Maybe the Grandfather had it coming. Mine did but I was afraid of him.
Mine served in the Korean theater.
Who was Kelly beating the night he was murdered “beaten to death”? Who’s life was in danger that 6 fully armed cops were justified in beating him to death? Get back on track … Troll.
Thats the crux of the problem. Can’t get the mind around it.
This case has full attention.
Mother’s restraining order was to get him committed for help but that didn’t work. The incident with his Grandfather was when this mental illness first manifested. Kelly was scared and didn’t know or understand what was happening.
5150? To have the county doctor take a look?
How would you know what was going through his mind or when it manafested. PLEASE
You must also be mentally ill.
Yeah not violent EXCEPT for mother and grandfather….. How many more “except” do you get before being violent. 3, 4 maybe 5 before you can say he maybe violent?
Sorry… the reference was #9. However, posts keep shifting order.
Fullerton is it. You are patently incorrect about the source of the phone call.
If phone call made to non-emergency line, they would seem to indicate caller purposely did not use 9ll…………Don’t know if calls to non-emergency line are recorded/
I would seem to be easy to subpoena ph records of bar ? from which call allegedly made, unless made from cell phone…………
Well if non-911 calls are not being recorded, they should be. Or will such a plea for transparency get the shit beaten out of me. One LEO already threatened this in another post.
We can only hope you get your due.
Sorry ExPat. What I meant was I hope I’m not late for my nightly felching session.
by Oink Oink on August 21, 2011
Sorry ExPat. What I meant was I hope I’m not late for my nightly felching session.
You are so funny, I can’t even think of a rejoinder on your level. So, I’ll just point out this: Real cops are coming to town, little poink poink, and the FBI may be slow (what else can you say about Federal bureaucracy), but believe me, they are i n e x o r a b l e. Enjoy your cute little poinky poinky jokes now. The Feds aren’t as easily amused as we are.
This sounds like a teenager, or someone with arrested developement.
Non emergency calls are recorded unless the caller called one of the officers directly on his cell phone.
Even if the call was placed directly to a cop, that info can be obtained as well.
@ rdfrench
Even a cell phone call can be traced. It would have gone thru the nearest cell tower to the FPD. This info can be subpoenaed from the cell phone companies. Also, the easier way would be to subpoena the phone records for ALL non-emergency lines at the FPD. It can then be narrowed down regardless of whether the call was a land line or cell phone call. I really hope the Thomas family atty. does this and makes this information public.
Welcome to the infosphere.
Vilify the person who calls the cops. This is a good one Tony, the rappers call it “snitches get stitches”.
Tony you are such a responsible leader in this community.
Way to miss the point. Although, you’re so stupid I’m not sure you’d see the point even if someone was beating into your face with the butt of a tazer.
It seems The Slidebar has it’s own 140 man mafia. The caller conspired to violate Kelly’s civil rights. Shame on the band Lit, The Slidebar,and the caller.God is watching.
“snitches get stitches”.
Apparently this appears to be FPD model. I am sure there are few good cops there but they are too affair to speak out againts the corrupted high rankings and rogue cops.
I wrote this post, chucklehead.
Bushala has done more for this community in the past six weeks than the Three Blind Mice in their years of public sponging, er, I mean “service.”
1.Homeless people do not break into cars.
2. People who break into cars don’t stick around at the scene of the crime.
Kelly was not breaking into cars. He was doing what he normally did which was living HIS life the way he was capable given an illness that made it impossible for him to live what most of us would consider a “normal” life. Mental Illness is an equal opportunity destroyer. Any of us could wake up tomorrow and start exhibiting signs of many forms of mental illness and it would be BEYOND our control. Those of you who bash Kelly for the way he lived should be ashamed of yourselves and should also start praying hard that you and your loved ones don’t wake up someday feeling as helpless as he did knowing he was losing all control of his thoughts and mind.
I am so proud to see the love and support and PROTEST against the FPD, DA, and all others responsible, that Kelly and his family are getting.
I want to know who initiated this murder. I think it is key. Don’t give up FFFF on getting the answer to this very important question.
I fully endorse this last comment
I know someone whose boyfriend works at a downtown Fullerton restaurant where Kelly would come in and ask if there were any odd jobs that he could do in exchange for food. When they didn’t have any work, they would still send him off with a little something to eat, because that was just the way it was between them. That was their relationship with him.
I like that post. If Kelly would ask for work here and there in exchange for food, its unlikely his temperament was to steal much less “break into cars”.
Also, ditto on the point made above by Tracey? People that break into cars don’t stick around ie. have a sit down on a bus bench like Kelly did.
Really ??? he was mentally ill.. How do you know how is mind works? Maybe to him (mentally ill) breaking into cars was a normal thing. Checking for unlocked car doors maybe a daily activity to him. HOW DO YOU KNOW…
I am Kelly and I approve this message!
He was PICKING UP CIGARETTE BUTTS IN THE PARKING LOT.
Laguna beach was charged for violating civil rights when an officers told a homeless woman to put out her cigarette and then arresting her for littering.
Tracey on August 21, 2011
@Tracey, first want to say, I loved your post.
1.Homeless people do not break into cars.
2. People who break into cars don’t stick around at the scene of the crime.
[3.]Kelly was not breaking into cars.
The trolls already know the last part, just like they know they are fighting for their own (or their buddy’s life. Actually, it is beginning to smell like most all the FPD have something to hide, otherwise why would they be fighting so terribly heard to cover for the FPD 6? I mean, these clowns are going above and beyond reason to cover a horrific murder in front of dozens of witnesses and a live video feed. Very fishy smelling indeed!
We all know alot of cases have slid under the rug due to terror and or just plain shock of the killings. 10+ or – years ago in santa margarita a woman, 4 months pregnant, left town after her husband had been beaten to death by police.
Problem for these guys is, these incedents will come up in their political life, over and over.
Thanks Xer.
I hope every single person that had anything do do with the murder of Kelly Thomas is brought forward and pays.
I hope that the citizens who are outraged by this murder continue the fight for JUSTICE!
Tracey on August 22, 2011
Thanks Xer.
I hope every single person that had anything do do with the murder of Kelly Thomas is brought forward and pays.
That is what we’re all working for. Tell your family and all your friends about Kelly Thomas and the People of Fullerton, and about this blog. Thanks, Tracey.
I hope that the citizens who are outraged by this murder continue the fight for JUSTICE!
I’m certain They will.
I was going to agree with you until I saw that you wrote that homeless people don’t break into cars. And how do you know this?
Im confused?… Bushala said he had 100k for the recall efforts. Is that money being spent on the recall yet or was that money used to purchase mrs bushalas new audi
What kind of cars do the killer cops drive?… Why is Tony’s car relevant to the beating death of a man and the cover up?
Speaking of mental illness…
Presumably there’s enough to go around. I would be real worried if I were you.
Who gives a sh– on what kind of car Mr. Bushala drives? It is irrelevant here and as long as he didn’t use welfare money to buy it, WHO CARES???
John Doe
corrupt is right. It is not legal to shoot someone to stop a property crime. Murder in self-defense is exactly as it sound. You must prove that given the situation, the average person would have feared for their life or physical welfare.
California does not have a Castle Law, so you cannot kill someone just because they are in your home. You have to show intent or action of immenent danger to attack or bodily harm. 6 fully armed cops and one skinny unarmed homeless guy…. If the average citizen were to beat to death an unarmed homeless guy running away from them, they would be in prison for murder. The homeless guy running away did away with your claim to great bodily harm or attack. By chasing him down you show that you are now the aggressor and now you are the one who is breaking the law.
If someone is in my house and I fear for my life and my family, you better believe I am gonna shoot that person. That is all I have to say in court. If I catch someone in my house and is jumping out the window. No..I can not. There is no more threat. Whatever your Castle Law is.
Criminals avoid me and my house. Criminals stay away from me. I am lucky. I am surrounded by good people.
Great. Enjoy the rest of your life in prison.
In the absence of useful information, one wonders whether anyone actually made a complaint regarding auto burglaries. So far, we only have the word of Goodrich. There are other possibilities.
For example, according to FPD, the electronic surveillance system auto dispatches units occasionally based on suspicious movement patterns – like Kelly pacing around looking for descent sized ciggy butts? This seems doubtful because one would think a “robo dispatch” would not be probable cause to rifle though Kelly’s personal effects.
Also, there was a guy who called KFI and mentioned he’d seen FPD having a discussion with kelly a day or so before the incident.
Hopefully, this did not take place on the 4th of July because it is doubtful they were discussing what actually cracked the Liberty Bell. Anyway, the camera rotates by joystick or whatever. The watch commander could have been monitoring Kelly before any patrol cars even arrived on scene. In this case, the video has captured the entire encounter void any obstructions.
Maybe no one really made a call. Maybe someone made a legitimate call. It would be tragic if someone made a false complaint because kelly was an eyesore.
Here is some interesting info on that surveillance system: http://kallahar.com/stories/20080608_fullerton_cameras/
Note the video at the bottom of the page.
Wow Randy…thanks for that link to the city council meeting about the installation of the security cameras. I am going to share this.
I think this is a hugely important question. It would show conspiracy if a person could be proven to having been coached by the FPD on what to say and how to report a homeless person for the maximum possible effect (i.e. removing him/her from the vicinity).
I just can’t believe that the FPD would not look into who made the alleged phone call. It would help their case a little if that person came forward and testified that he/she *saw* KT breaking into cars, right? Since the witness is not coming forward, then in my opinion either the phone call never happened, or the person who made the call is afraid of prosecution (for good reason).
by Dean on August 21, 2011
…..I just can’t believe that the FPD would not look into who made the alleged phone call. It would help their case a little if that person came forward and testified that he/she *saw* KT breaking into cars, right? Since the witness is not coming forward, then in my opinion either the phone call never happened, or the person who made the call is afraid of prosecution (for good reason).
Good logic Dean.
Can someone ask harvey levin over at tmz to get the tape and release it? Those f’er get the video to everything…. Or check goodlicks belly, the videos prob under there
Unless a celeb picks up the cause, its not going to happen. His parent company The Smoking Gun used to handle that but I don’t think they do anymore since TMZ launched.
Plus I imagine that Levin has police sources and wouldn’t want to piss off any cops. Doesn’t hurt to make TMZ aware of this story, though.
Hmm, a bar owned by a “rock star” is part of this mess. Maybe that’ll flag tmz’s attention now that the damned kardashian wedding is over?
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If they can cover octomom, they sure as hell can cover this.
http://www.myspace.com/jeremypopoff
Two observations stand out when you look at this “suspected” person’s profile on myspace.
1. Why would you list under “Interests” what kind of television shows you like as “ones where people run from the cops”
2. Who makes only $30,000 a year as the owner of a nightclub and a professional musician?
fullerton needs justice!!!
send those rat cops to prison
See all those cold case files where police get caught?
you people are f’ing nuts… If the DA’s office and the FBI say that the cops did not violate any laws or maybe lesser charges( not murder,it doesn’t apply) are filed against one or two will that be acceptable to you morons? Somehow I don’t think so. Tony has asked for transparency and he has it. The police department is not doing any investigations into this matter.
“Tony has asked for transparency and he has it.”
If you call a pack of lies by Goodrich and Co. and a DA who couldn’t find his ass in the dark transparency, then yes, we have it.
No, it won’t be acceptable. You should know that by now after reading these posts.
Sounds like the heat is on this one.
I can get the addresses where Tony, Travis , Chris Thompson and others live and post it here but why. What good does that do accept invite problems. Tony and Travis, you should be ashamed. JudasPriest, your an asshole.
Would be nice to have all the addresses. Oh wait lol 🙂
“From the very beginning of the Kelly Thomas beating death at the hands, Tasers, fist and feet of the Fullerton Police Department, that department’s spokeshole, Sergeant Andrew Goodrich told the public that the fateful incident was intiated with a phone call: a phone call to the dispatcher stating that somebody was breaking into cars in the vicinity of the Transportation Center.Tellingly, the police have issued no information about this mysterious phone call and who made it, and so far they have given no indication that they have the slightest iota of evidence that anybody was breaking into cars at all.”
So how did those animals know to zoom in on Kelly Thomas- since they had no info?
Someone must have mentioned an identity of someone on that call
I didn’t say they didn’t have info. If no call came in the cops behavior could have been based on earlier agreement with, say, a local business owner/employee. Or it might have finally become personal with no third party involved.
As I recall the original “statement” from Goodrich described a call that referred to somebody matching Kelly’s appearance burglarizing cars. In the absence of any evidence that a crime was committed, that naturally leads one to the conclusion that the call was in fact, bogus – a set up.
I became suspicious that the police could have been involved in setting up the victim because the changing stories told by Goodrich were so transparently illogical and it seemed like such a crazy overreaction to suspicion of burglary.
Of course I don’t know if this is what happened, but I want find out.
i agree – this stinks, especially since everyone would know Kelly on sight-matching appearance description sounds odd if everyone knew Kelly for years- how come that call didnt go something like “Kelly is breaking into cars”? not “well someon with a red beard and dirty is breaking into cars”? or did it…?
sounds set up to me
I want to know too Joe S. Keep up the pressure and focus to find out.
I also think it’s interesting that an “insider” aboves claims to know that there were NO reports of burglarized cars that night.
This was a set-up. It had to be. If it wasn’t, we would have heard by now from the owners of the cars that were burglarized.
Could be roid rage.
Shawn Nelson is affiliated with the douchebags at the Slidebar. They retained him for a 2007 civil suit. Don’t believe me? Look here:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6473/slidebar.jpg
Rizio & Nelson is listed as an attorney.
I’m sharing this now because it’s unlikely Tony or Travis would say anything about it.
So what?
I would hope that if the Slidebar (or its employees) are found culpable with a phony 911 call that Shawn Nelson regrets having anything to do with them.
I would hope so, too.
Confirmed. You morons really are whacked out. Just reading the responses on this page alone confirm you all live in a dream land. There isn’t one fact on this page. Just a bunch of I dream this and I think that. Joke. Keep dreaming tree hugging idiots. You won’t get anything. Keep trying. You don’t run the show, we do. Deal with it.
So you’re apart of the FPD gang? You’re just as guilty?
Who’s “we”? Tree hugging idiots?
Man up. Make a genuine public statement. Or else we’re going to keep thinking in our little dreamland that someone from Slidebar made that call. Whaddya got to lose?
Evidence will lay out the whole thing. You will see your conspiracy theories are meth driven.
I had a personal conversation with a retired Judge that won’t see the case and asked ” So what do you think of this Kelly Thomas case?” The answer was, “It doesn’t look good for these officers” and,” I can’t tell you how many people I have seen go to prison for 25 years, for making a wrong split second decision”.
Judges and Juries will sentence defiant people with power trips and bad attitudes, full term with no parole.
One would think, here in America, that Lawyers, Judges and Juries have a hand in running things around here.
Here’s your fact,Bitch:Excessive use of force is the number one ethics violation that drives THE BLUE CODE OF SILENCE.Want some more facts? Eucalyptus trees will always dominate other trees…..and we have plenty of seeds.
I also want to share a fact with everyone…I have a small penis.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I hope some total Nutball runs you all over with your signs or you do a flash mob on the bar and you get 100 rounds back. 🙂
@Oink Oink: Wow, very insightful response, genius.
YES there was a call….it was made at the the request of the owner of the Slidebar and was either the manager or asst manager from what I have heard….some say it was the owner himself-but everyone says it came from the Slidebar…..
From what u heard? Hearing is all BS. Keep smokin crack.
It doesn’t matter who called or what he did or didn’t do. Once again somebody tell me in the Police Academy or training does it say to apprehend somebody with blows to the head? Everything else is he said and she said, but the bottom line is Kelly received blunt force trauma to his skull! Ever good officer Ive ever seen apprehend somebody, I have yet to see one of them strike a suspect in the head!
Fight for life? Deadly force is taught. 🙂
Kelly had 1/4 of a brain. All it took was that last hit of METH.
Would you say he was…bad for business?
YES I would.
Really ???? I work really hard for my money and when I go to Downtown Fullerton to spend $100 on dinner I dont want to see, be approched, pan handled by these smelly, dirty homeless mentally ill drug addict people. All you poeple who care take them home with you…. I guess that is not going to happen, I thoght so.
Because you know what else is bad for business? A bar that attracts every douchebag in Orange County.
But don’t believe everything you hear. Right, J?
And nothing you can do about it. Bar is rocking. I’m inside right now.
Stay inside, maybe someone will throw a jack n coke cocktail thru the window. nah, an adios motherfucker or tequila sunrise sounds better.
Cranberry and vodka going down good.
Your time is coming. 🙂 Better get all those parties n photos in of girls kissing in pools while you can. Your pathetic excuse for a bar is going down.
Best part about you cork suckers is you think a change in Chief is gonna change something. New chief will be the same as all the others. 30 years of policing. You will get the exact same thing. You are just too brain dead to see that.
Wrong we have all seen it Hamilton is part of the problem not the solution. And you are an imbecile.
You will get a Chief from another city. That city is the same as Fullerton. Get a clue.
Are you smoking crack?
No apparently this guy *cough cough* One of the owners of Slidebar *cough cough* thinks that Kelly did meth. See #129. I am pretty sure this guy has 1/4 of a brain because he is making himself blatantly obvious who he is and what he did. Who else in the right mind is going around talking about Kelly like that?
Interesting. Care to give us more reason to speculate on who made the call?
Are we too “braindead” to figure it out?
The fact that you are OK with using the term “brain dead” in regards to this tragedy shows you are disconnected. That’s okay, perfectly normal for someone carrying shame and guilt. Or sociopaths.
If there are records of a phone call being made to report “someone” breaking into cars, would that strengthen fpd position? It seems to me that it would give them reason to be in the vicinity, and to’ perhaps make contact with K. Thomas, but not to beat him to death. On the flipside of that, if anyone in the slidebar, where the call MAY have generated from, has any information/proof that the call was made in collusion with the fpd for the specific purpose of depriving K. Thomas of his cival rights ought come forward, it could be very lucrative, with the right attorney representing you, it must be very stressful to have been subjected to this “cover-up” (if one exists) to try to do your job, and fear being subjected to an escalating level of scrutiny when the FBI starts digging, if a BLOG considered this possibility, I’m sure the FBI will too. After all, wasn’t stress one of the factors to cause cheif M. Sellers to go on medical leave? This is only one scenerio, among many both pro and con, but isnt exploring every scenerio the was you ultimately get to the truth of a matter?
Oink Oink. That is why we should stick all you pig boot licking power worshipers to an island. Thug.
You wish. You cant get one of them there.
Its funny meeting law enforement abroad when I travel, They seem so puppy dog at the resorts.
Like they are “free at last” for 2 weeks. I’ve had alot of fun playing volley ball in the pool or running around in some foriegn small town with these people. Most of them love to be with their families or ride horse back on the beach. The cowboys seem to spend thier vacations trying to clean up the wreckage of their presents in the world.
I couldn’t find a listing in oc register for car burglary report, wonder if they are all reported..
scroll down to map and pick the date..
none come up for fullerton… must not have been a 911 call
http://www.ocregister.com/sections/news/crime/
“Of course making a false report to the police is some sort of crime (although Goodrich has yet to make an honest report to the public, which seems to be A-OK to his higher ups and the City Council).”
Hilarious!
For all the trollfaces who beleive “innocent until proven guilty” no matter what, too bad that right wasnt given to Kelly,
and where’s all the evidence that he was breaking into cars? where was it that night?
Right where it should be, out of your hands. You don’t dictate how things happen.
I knew a (white) guy who was a tribal police officer on an Indian reservation. Understandably, the locals had some real problems with whitey and he had a hard time. The last straw was when he responded to some totally innocuous sounding report and it turned out to be a trap, he barely escaped. Which gives me an idea.
You’re too chicken shit to even give your name…….
My name could be Big Ed Jackson, Cop Buster, but you’ll always be an idiot.
BRILLIANT ANSWER! An idiot at least has the balls to say their name, which you obviously have none of.
The words of the wicked are like a murderous ambush, but the words of the godly save lives
I also knew a white guy who was a tribal police officer on an Indian reservation. Except the Native Americans came to his rescue. Oh wait, that was Val Kilmer in Thunderheart. Never mind.
I believe I read on another post by “rdfrench” that the call may have been made to a non emergency # (not 911) would that type of call be reported by the o.c. register? I’m sure FBI could and would obtain phone records if they feel it relevant to the investigation
@nomad
So can the Thomas family atty. He can subpoena that info.
i really don’t know if they are or not..
i feel very sad for you all and what your city is going thru.. where is the transparency that was promised..
i have yet to see anything that remotely looks good for the pd..
i’m sure they are not all bad, but you do need to clean house it seems..
i really hope for the best outcome for you all, and hope that no one gets hurt..
seems there are ppl here that try to egg others on..
pls stay strong and don’t stoop to their level..
“Ability can take you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there.”
i also read on one of the posts that the bar owners wife quit her job at hot topic, because she had commented about the incident that night..
i hope the lawyers get that info to subpena the co-workers..
Oh, and while I have it in front of me, the # for the Office of the D.A. 1- 714-834-3600 open 8 a.m.-5 p.m. mon.-fri. Give ’em a call, let ’em know you expect a thorough investigation to be done by thier office. One call does not matter, several hundred may get thier attention.
Actually, I doubt a thousand calls will make a difference, though I appreciate the effort. T-Rack is as corrupt as they come — and he has buddies at the FPD. It is going to take intervention from the feds before any serious investigation gets done. Thankfully, the FBI is on it. T-Rack’s own investigator had close ties with FPD. So typical. I cannot believe that crook is still our DA. Hopefully the feds turn up some dirt on his crooked ass while they are at it.
thanks, i have been trying to do something to help..
looking online for articles, ect…
for possible facts…
came across this one too, was interesting..
http://letters.ocregister.com/2011/08/12/kelly-thomas-case-draws-more-concern/
By now it must be apparent to all that the entire fullerton ‘police’ department and judicial system is criminal. It’s been way too long without arrests for the murder of Kelly. Not only criminal for the perps that beat Kelly to death but also the ones who called in the false report, the ones who dispatched and watched on video the the murder of Kelly, the ones who’ve helped them lie and re-edit their stories and showed the criminals the video tape. Just total corruption and evil. Reminds me of Hitler’s early regime. Sure am glad i don’t live in fullerton.
You are learning something from this experience. Never believe what you hear without verifying it. Now you expect only one thing and seeing that won’t happen, you will get even more upset. Life’s lessons. Ask your daddy about it.
the whole thing is very sad..
i adore fullerton…
they thing that troubles me the most is..
i used to travel around for work, and the pd’s that i came across, all seemed to know the homeless in their town, some on a first name basis…
fullerton is such a small town, the bus depot so close to the pd station, i cannot believe they didn’t know kelly and what his issues were…
and to think that 6 officers allowed this to go as far as it did is heartbreaking..
this is really bad.,. i’m so sorry to see this happen to any city..
there is no way to justify this..
You travel for work, and somehow know that the cops in the towns you travel to, know the names of the homeless? How, pray tell do you know that?
Yes it is really bad. I live within blocks of downtown, for 20 yrs in the same house. I have a love for Fullerton. I watched the march coming toward me down Commonwealth last Saturday as I was walking to the PD for the protest. Tears in my eyes to see a city in so much pain. I can’t get over it. It permeates my life, every day. It has changed how I feel about city gov’t. Makes me realize all citizens should take a good look at who’s running the city.
Anonymous-before you celebrate that you dont live in fullerton-are you positive and assured none of this could happen in your city? I just wish other city officials would make some sort of statement (other than Beverly Hills)
Why would anyone make any statement?? No matter what they say you will say its a lie and a cover up and all kinds of other crap. That’s why everyone is silent. You haven’t figured that out yet?
People like you are a zit on the ass of society.
i agree, the silence is deafening…
Yep. Jeremys wife did in fact quit her job at Hot Topic HQ because the next day at work not knowing the severity she told a handful of co worker about the incident.
This will all come out. And believe me, it will.
Keep hatin’.
And yes it was the non emergency number and it was made by Jeremy, from his office.
Just a bit of managerial advice for Jeremy…. be careful who knows what details, you have a few employees that like to talk to anyone with questions.
🙂
And when this hits, these shit talking haters will be nowhere to be found.
I was there on Saturday. I couldn’t stay as long as I wanted, but I’m glad I got to see it all for myself and get a little personal perspective.
I was impressed by the demonstration; considering how blasé we sometimes are here in SoCal — I say this by way of confession — it’s borderline miraculous that what the FPD assumed was just business as usual has blossomed into a thriving, growing anti-police brutality crusade.
After driving through the demonstration a couple times and taking it all in, I drove over to where Kelly was attacked. Like everyone else, I’d seen it at least a dozen times on YouTube and the news, but what struck me when I saw it up close and personal is how small an area it is. And granted, I was there on a very busy Saturday afternoon, but even so, I imagine this would be a busy place on a summer evening as well. Busses and commuter trains coming and going, restaurants and pubs all over the place, people driving in and out; it seems a little unlikely that a lost soul like Kelly would be roaming those parking areas looking to break into cars. Something doesn’t fit there. He would have better luck rummaging around in the dumpsters behind any number of businesses instead of trying his hand at breaking and entering. If I’m not mistaken, his backpack contained some trash he found in a lawyer’s garbage can.
So the truth behind the non-911 call is worth digging for, even as certain players in this dirty game are trying their best to bury it deeper.
Mr. Ra-COCK-us DO YOUR J-O-B, don’t be afraid, JUST arm yourself with a machine gun, RPG, etc.
… doesn’t matter … why a “peace officer” is more upstanding than Mother Teresa, if the
video shows black, it is white,
if the video shows white, it is black, and on and on and on ….. lying, falsifying, fabricating,
smearing about the death of an innocent unarmed, defenseless u.s. citizen to DEATH …. why, things happen this is America not North Korea,
Russia, or you name your country. Hopefully, all the dirty cop terrorists with “police powers” are all killed by a car driven by another drunk, drugged-up dirty cop terrorist with “police powers.” THAT is the best that can happen, looks like.
Yes, I am back, and here we go again with speculation and personal attacks.
I know that my posts are about as welcome as Barak Obama at a Tea Party Rally advocating a Tax Increase; but it is what it is.
To begin I have a lot of information from sources that confirm that the majority of the protesters yesterday were not citizens of Fullerton. Not even close to 75 out of the entire gathering. In fact, most of the protesters were reportedly from the Inland Empire.
There is an incredible amount of finger pointing on this website. Now Jeremy, or the manager, of the Slidebar was the start of this whole thing by calling in a false complaint???? What evidence is there of that?? Folks, there are absolutely no facts supporting this claim!!!!!!
THE SPECULATION HERE IS UNREAL.
Chris Thompson, you have had some sort of Agenda that goes back, at least I know, to the student computer programs at schools in the Fullerton School District. Tony Bushala, you have been nothing more than a mean spirited GRANDSTANDER, ever since you started this website that focuses on personal attacks and, at times, hate based.
Business owners are being singled out and many lives are being affected by these continued protests from mostly non-Fullerton Residents revolving around distorted information and speculation!
Sgt Goodrich is a fine Officer and he has always represented the FPD well with honesty and integrity.
STOP POINTING FINGERS!!!!
Who cares where the people are from. They are there to protest a murder by 6 cops on a citizen of the United States…. That scares you doesn’t it Allen? People would actually take time out of their lives to protest a murder by cops. Keep being scared Allen. People are getting sick of corrupt cops, plain and simple. You must really be scared that fingers are pointing at you. What is the real cause of your fear? Were you there getting overtime in your blue suit and badge watching the people who really do not like you much right now? 300, 400,500,600 does it matter because FPD was still out numbered… scary huh?
Not scary at all. Protestors are worthless. Only time they are worth anything is when they riot or refuse to disperse. Then it’s fun. 🙂
your scared too Piggy…..your about to be roasted and you know it! your time is coming…. 🙂
Scared? Not at all..
Corrupt, I’ve been reading some of your posts and you fail to make any points that make sense, nor is there any point made from a factual basis.
You are following the crowed. When this is all said and done, relfect on your feelings. Perhaps you will realize that your judgement has been premature.
I know that there are a lot of FPD employees that want to come out with the truth. Fact is, they can’t come out with anything right now.
There is no conspiracy going on the City of Fullerton. This is an indepth ongoing investigation involving multiple jurisdictions, which is mainly in the hands of the FBI.. There is a tone of information and it CANNOT be released. Its not up to the City. Its never been up the City.
Its litteraly a double edged sword. Our Constitution protects everyone – even who you call “Murderer Cops”.. Their rights are protected to; Guilty or Not.
Think about focusing your efforts on the homeless. Since you want to be so involved, why don’t you host a food / clothing drive for the homeless in Fullerton or what ever city you live in. Focus your efforts on something positve.
When Bushala’s and Thompson’s movement is finished, and three Council Members are removed from Office, who will replace them? Three more corrupt ones?
Not going to happen, Allen. You can say it as much as you want and raise your blood pressure, but it’s not going to happen.
With you? I’m sure it won’t. But I will continue my though’s. 🙂 thanks for the reply.
Spare me, Allen….. Read again. I meant that the finger pointing will not stop. And please don’t insult a person who may agree with you.
Let me expand upon what I just wrote. I’ll admit that I didn’t like hearing “Kill killer cops,” this Saturday when I was at the protest. Anyone who advocates more violence over this should just go away. This is about a mentally ill man who died too early. This is about finding out the whole truth. Keep focused, people. And Allen, I gave a blanket statement. Calm down a little and don’t be so quick to respond.
Sorry Kim
I believe I missread your post
No problem Allen. And I agree that there are two sides to every story. That’s what I’m trying to find through my freelance writing with the various sites I write for that I cover Fullerton for. So far though, all I’m hearing is the other side. I covered the protest this weekend and talked to Capt. Hughes, which was great, but honestly, the silence for you guys is deadly. Why will no one talk to us? Hell, I’ll listen and tell your story. I’m not a cop hater. Sorry for my rant, but I think that is the most frustrating part of this for everyone.
Kim, the chant isn’t “Kill Killer Cops”, it’s “Jail Killer Cops”.
Admin and a few others have told me that, so I totally apologize.
You mean Sgt. Andy “officers sustained broken bones” Goodrich?
Yeah, honesty and integrity sounds about right.
/sarcasm
Hey Allen..
Tell your buddies at the city hall and fpd to release the
911 VIDEOS
911 CALL
ASAP.. and it will immediately exonerate your honorable police force
Surely, we all know Kelly had a habit of bludgeoning himself with nightsticks and tasers and such.. and he loved to throw his skull into police offers knees and batons and such..
NO.. ALLEN. this IS NOT going away.. THE WORLD
will reign supreme on the criminals that bankrupted your tiny township.. and tried to cover up the murder of a homeless schizophrenic by
THE PROTECTORS OF THE PEACE
THREE WEEKS DUDE… that should frighten you and any relative you have.. it took them three weeks to even get the murderers badges off of them..
PROTOCOL.. for 6 officers is to bludgeon a 160lb man into a coma and leave a HUGE POOL OF BLOOD… there we have it folks.. Allen is all in favor of huge pools of homeless blood if the cops can go free.. Cover it up Allen.. just try..
I think when the medical testimony comes out.. game over for FPD and that city council that coddled them
Keep yelling. You aren’t getting anything until we say so. Get used to it.
you just may get surprised, TROLL……a big surprise!!
When you imagine how many people watched that video and watched those “humans” bludgeon that man to death like savages and NOT TURN THEM IN.. sort of scary and pointless to feel we have any control over people like that.. “Protectors of the Peace”
very frightening..
That video is going to go viral when it comes out for sure.. it will be on every news network around the world.. like a Rodney King episode..
the inside said that one of the officers kept trying to put cuffs on him but the other officers kept beating on his lifeless body and blood was splattering everywhere so he gave up.. really makes you want to let them pull over your son and his date or pull you and your wife over some late night…
Do YOU TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT?
Another pipe dream version of events. When you close your eyes is this what you hope happened? Not even close. Go look at the camera and stand at the location. Can you see the camera? 🙂
what is the lighting like in the parking lot containing cars that supposedly Kelly or “someone that looked like him” was supposed to be “breaking into” and is that particular parking lot in the open?
Personally, I do not believe Kelly was breaking into anything, just a good excuse for the animals to murder him and falsely claim “he was resisting”- and they had help from a few of their greedy pig businessmen of Fullerton- I believe this murder was a setup, why is to be determined.
Keep smoking your PCP.
Go back to eating Bon Bons.
citiy council of fullerton take a good look at your police dept. and what it stands for: that includes DICK jones, blankhead and mckinley
F-falsifying police reports/false arrest
U-useless chief sellers
L-liers
L-law breakers
E-excessive force
R-rogue cops
T-tazzer trigger happy cops
O-one eye cop
N-nine hundred thousand dollar offer (HUSH $$$)
P.-pending law suites (pathetic)
D.-disgrace
I was at the original City Council Meeting.
I will not attend any more of your protests until you renounce the support of ANSWER and forbid them from taking part in any future protests.
As I said, people are sick of your message. You are getting old already.
You would let the presence of a couple of people you don’t like keep you from standing up for justice?
You are a coward.
I can’t help but think that if you looked up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary, you would find a picture of good ol’ Allen.
He says (shouts actually, in ALL CAPS — must have an anger problem) to STOP POINTING FINGERS, when that’s exactly what he’s doing in the very same post to Chris Thomas, Tony Bushala, etc.
He says “the speculation here is unreal” in the exact same post where he tries to SPECULATE about the percentage of protesters from Fullerton and those from other municipalities. What are your “sources” exactly, Allen? Did some pinhead with a clipboard walk around and survey every person there about his address and then report back to Officer Allen?? Funny!!!! (By the way, what difference does it make what % of the outraged protesters own or rent in Fullerton and what % cared enough to drive there from some other city?? Does a higher # one way or the other mitigate brutality or excessive force against citizens?).
You are right about one thing — many lives are being affected… most notably the life of a man named Kelly Thomas. He was a human being (if you understood that, you probably wouldn’t be here kissing the you know what of all these “good officers,” like the liar, Sgt. Goodrich, who chose to or had to present the lie about the perjured police reports and testimony in the other case.
Kinda like speculating that a guy is burglarizing vehicles.
Whomever posted this link, thank you.
I watched the video at the bottom of the page.
http://kallahar.com/stories/20080608_fullerton_cameras/
What I am wondering is; WHY the cameras and their footage is not available in REAL TIME to the public via a website connection like the city council meetings. (I seem to remember there are traffic cameras that I can click on the see current traffic conditions.)
Lets >watch them> watch us> watch them>watch us…
Total transparency, total check and balance.
If they or we the public do anything (in a public area)it is there for all to see and provided to all courtesy of the taxpayers.
Let there be light, cameras, action.
Please get us the public property called
911 videos
911 call
all police reports
doctors reports
coroners reports
asap
we know your honorable fpd would never lie or falsify anything.. like in the case of
http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-08-18/news/29906997_1_fullerton-police-arrest-garo-mardirossian
ONLY because citizens used their cell phones to video the incident did an innocent man not get SHAFTED by the scum that runs your town…
If you do not remove those people who are total scum in the whole council and police and justice department then you can bet real estate will suffer and so will local business.. who wants to go where the cops can murder you and get coddled by allllllll sub groups of the CITIZEN CITY COUNCIL…
3 weeks.. murderers badges stayed on
@Anonymous
Oink Oink is getting old. Your posts are meaningless
Cops don’t live in that dump of a city anyways. Cops could care less about that. More crime equals more fun and busier calls. That’s why citizens are sick of you all. You are impacting their city and you don’t even live here.
And as said before you don’t make orders and dictate how things happen. Thats clear.
lots of open pkg all around the bus/train depot
behind the restraunts.. not sure about the lighting at night..
i’m sure where the beating took place, its well lit..
right by where the buses pull in, i believe…
doesn’t matter…
this can’t be justified
thanks still love fullerton, right, it dosent matter regarding Keely’s brutal death but it matters to know that this was a well lit, well trafficed public location , as who would break into cars in that particular area? why was that area chosen and not some dark ass alley-makes me think of setup, just rying to fit the pieces in – thanks again
word error- Kelly not Keely
police cars that pulled up turned on their headlights and video is my guess
it will be nuclear reaction when these videos get to the web
I think the if a large percentage of the protesters drove in from other cities to support the citizens of Fullerton in thier struggle, that is a good thing, right? There is even a guy that drives in from S.D., I think, to participate. No violence occured, no windows of any business’ were broken city hall & the police station were not razed to the ground. I dont recall any census takers having been there, but they are most welcome to attend and swell our ranks. Just as long as they keep it cool.
That is the scariest part to them… people are showing up from other areas to support a protest against the police. Imagine people from other areas and walks of life banding together for a single cause….. real scary to cops and government all together.
You really believe that? Cops could care less. So could government. Most aren’t even in town to see it.
Yes I do believe that…. turned on the TV lately, it is happening all over the world. A bunch of like minded citizens just took Tripoli and captured a corrupt dictators son. People all over the world are sick of regimes that think they can bully and beat the population into submission….. FPD likes to beat citizens to death. Then they try to cover it up.
Tripoli. Try that here. Let me know how it goes. 🙂
A.N.S.W.E.R.
THIS IS WHO YOU ARE ALLOWING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR MOVEMENT, MR. BUSHALA.
http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Israel/iac_answer_backgrounder.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_3
My movement? I don’t have a movement. I have a blog.
Oh no, you have a movement…. a big one, an unneccessary one, that will end up meaningless.
Does anyone know what ANSWER is I read a post from someone who wants to exclude he/she them, it from future protests but they did not elaborate as to why, or what ANSWER agenda is that would make them “personna non gratta” as if we had the right to exclude anyone from anything. I haven’t read any reports of violence or vandalism takeing place at the rally.
I just watched the vid again..
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/tag/kelly-thomas-beating/page/5/
looks well lit to me, but with the angle of the cars I wouldn’t count on a dashcam vid..
yw merijoe
oink.. your not worth a keystoke…
I was there from 8:55 am, no one asked where I resided
I just have one question. When you find out you are wrong and that Kelly Thomas was not murdered and that six cops did not beat him to death……… I know you can’t wrap your brain around it but just try for a second, when you find that out, will you make a public apology to the officers?
The ones now hiding out of state?
… and will you apologize to the HUMAN RACE when you realize that he actually was killed by them through excessive force?
will you?
I have one question what do you think happened to Kelly that night?
He got caught…
Sitting on a bench and ran away…. now he is dead… what did he get caught doing? Allen you are smarter than that, occasionally you show a slight sign of reason and deduction…. come on, you are almost there.
I can’t believe Mayor Jones said it again recently. After his meeting with Ron Thomas he said to the press, “We’ve got to find out why Kelly died.” What a buffoon! When the hell is he going to resign?!
i ♥??? how do you think he died ???
i have been trying to research facts… any facts..
but truth is he died in the hands of 6 officers..
this is what i can’t wrap my brain around…
they should have had the brains to know when to stop.. i am fearful for your community
Nobody answered the question… but to answer yours, yes, I would, if that was the case. Also, you ask how I think he died? I do not have ALL the facts so at this point it would be speculation on my part but I will say I know enough and the DA knows enough to have come out and say that it was not murder. And the fact that he died in the hands of 6 officers, it has happened before, several times and especially with people who have mental illness and not because they were beat to death. So again, I ask, IF you find out that the FACTS prove that K. Thomas was NOT MURDERED, will you apologize???
Wait, he spontanously died because of his mental illness.. His heart was too crazy to keep beating?
if kelly had been that out of control, aggitated, wouldn’t the officers called for help from the fire/paramedics also?? kelly needed help immediatly if that were the case…
i am really trying to understand this..
there is just more wrong with this whole story, than right..
Still love Fullerton………. did the cops call for help? Did they call the paramedics?
They called the ambulance & paramedics after the dude was brain dead. Yay, Fullerton PD!
Nipsey…….. do your homework on mental illness so you know what you are talking about.
why don’t you show me
i have never used the word murdered..
i would not use that lightly..
but the city is sure dragging their feet with getting and facts out to help ppl understand anything, and i feel this is wrong..
the protests are not going to stop obviously, and not responding is just making things worse
so i don’t feel that i need to apologize to anyone at this point
still love fullerton….. I didn’t say you used the word murder but several on here have. What I asked you is did the cops call for help for K. Thomas? Did they call the paramedics? You said wouldn’t the officers have called for help? I am asking you if they did or did not?
It is called CYA.. just like he was reaching for his waist band… stop resisting… yeah we know the code words… I believe the FTO teaches them this after the “manual” training.
Admin,
Renounce ANSWER. Tell them not to show up at your next protest. You’re the voice of this. It is your responsibility.
Ed S., FYI, it’s not my protest. It’s the peoples protest, and they have every right to do so.
i ♥… by the looks of kelly in the hospital, you really can say the pd had reason to beat his head the way they did?? you don’t think he did that to himself do you??? there is no reason to beat anyone in the head ,
Look at my Facebook page. I have supported this thing up until now. I’m not a puppet clown like 80% of the commenters here. I’m a real guy. And, I don’t want this town infiltrated by jew-hating nutjobs from ANSWER.
Um, what is your Facebook page?
You don have to like or agree with Answer but they are no Jew-hating nut jobs any more than you are Lyndon LaRouche. Right and left are together against police brutality. Deal with it.
still love fullerton…… you made a statement and I’m asking you to back it up? Did the cops call or not call for help for K. Thomas as this was going on?????
i have no idea if they called paramedics or not, but if they had, the fire dept is right down the street.. they should have arrived with the backup
which was NOT shown on the vid
i believe eventually they did, sadly too late…
damage done…
ed, i didn’t have time to read the article yet,
but i will, i have saved it .. thanks
An open question has been posed on this board to the effect if the fullerton 6 are found innocent would anyone here offer a public apology? I think that’s fair question, and I for one would, whats more I would yell it from the rooftops. If the “fullerton6” agree to go to prison for life if found guilty.
That’s retarded. The single, unarmed guy was beaten to death, so how is there an ‘innocent’ anywhere in there?
The only open question is not innocence, but what particular variety of guilty. 2nd degree murder? Negligent homicide? We’ll find out.
Nah. Don’t hold your breath-and there is such a thing as sentencing laws, so that’ll never happen either.
THEY WILL BE CLEARED. THEY’RE VERY WELL CONNECTED AND AFTER THE TROUBLEMAKERS FADE AWAY. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS AND THATHAT IS THE WAY IT WILL STAY. ANYONE IN THE VIDEO FOOTAGE DEMONSTRATING FOR KELLY THOMAS WILL BE WISE TO MOVE AWAY OR BE A TARGET BY THE CITY BOSSES.
ed.. perhaps no one is online right now…
try this link to contact them..
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/contact/
you have no idea? That is the problem here, nobody has any idea yet everyone is so quick to judge. And what video are you talking about? Have you seen the video that the D.A. has? If so, then you do know what you are talking about and I apologize.
I think some on this blog get the big picture. look at history, all you need is a rallying cry, a catalyst, a cause to belive in…
Rosa Parks went from an angry black lady to the start of nation changing movement.
9-11 caused the ranks of the armed forces to swell and started a global war that has led to the toppling of nations.
Civil war started because of people getting tired of not having a voice.
People getting fed up have overthrown kings, religions, goverments, emporers…. nations.
Yeah the government and its employees are scared of a bunch of rabble rousers with a justifiable cause.
Yeah this could get ugly and probably not much good will come out of it if a full conflict erupts, one side has to back down… but what we do know is that things have changed in Fullerton Government, no matter who backs down first. the Feds are not here just to do an investigation, they are here to try to keep this from getting ugly.
Do you know what Rosa Park’s catalyst was?
An innocent 14 year boy named Emmett Till.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/emmett_till/index.html
~ Mississippi native
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/till/sfeature/sf_look_confession.html
Well nomad, that is not up to you or I, that would be decided by a jury. But thank you for saying you would shout it from the rooftop. And as far as what the 6 officers would agree to, I am not one of them so I will not speak for them.
corrupt? Would you apologize if proof comes out that K. Thomas was not murdered?
i ♥ , the vids i am talking about are here..
you have to scroll down to aug 2 to find them.,.
almost to the bottom, article titled “they killed him”
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/contact/
I mostly agree with Ed. Though I’d hate to turn away voices, I’d be careful not to let ANSWER take over and would encourage unaffiliated protesters not to use ANSWER advertising (signs) to march. Spend a few bucks and make your own signs and banner to distribute.
I’d be okay with any ANSWER people marching in the group as long as they are not sending unrelated political messages, and don’t let their name become the lead or spokesholes for this. If they persist, then ask them to stand as a separate group and not mix.
Answer LA, Justice for Oscar Grant, Anon and Oath Keepers all came out to show their support & solidarity against police brutality….they did NOT use the protest for their own agenda….there were not unrelated political messages, Anon does not riot or start fires….that pure ignorance…..Viva Anon and all the groups that came out and lent their support against CORRUPTION!!!
As long as they march for the cause it’s good. I don’t want to see some activist group take over or acting as the public spokesperson. I wouldn’t carry an ANSWER LA sign personally.
LOL the recall by this website is pretty damn political and agenda driven
No, because there can be no reason for 6 fully armed officers to beat a guy to death. It should have been stopped by at least one officer. As soon as it was no longer a tactical advantage to still beat on Kelly it should have stopped. OJ was found innocent by a jury but I do not believe that one either. I do not believe burning Chu Lai and killing women and children was necessary. I do not believe Obama and Holder know nothing about selling guns to cartels.. I do not believe alot of things that people say they have proof on. I do not believe Meserlhe meant to kill Oscar Grant but he did and he stood trial for it… just like these cops will.
still love fullerton…. those videos show nothing. Trust me. Don’t put your eggs in that basket.
oh the lying liars and the lies they tell…..IF that video exonerated the cops of any wrong doing…it would splashed everywhere….think you better go suck an egg!!
thats true
thanks for providing the link to ANSWER. Its good to know there are still some people out there who want to protect America against the hipocritic terrorist State of Isreal which promises to destroy America rather than allow non Jews to remain in their homeland.
Okay corrupt….. you have made up your mind and when the proof comes out well, you will have to live with it, like it or not. Your little close mind represents the mentality of this blog. You have no proof of anything you say, nothing to back it up, no facts which I have asked for several times (so I can understand where you are coming from). I ask you for facts and you offer to put a dollar in my g-string. That says a lot about you and if the others on here are on your level, well, we should all be thankful that you are not a police officer or run this city. Just live with it corrupt. You have no choice.
I’ll watch the trial on T.V. and like Meserlhe I will see a former officer(s) led away in chains. My mind is not closed. You seem to be the one that is dead set that nothing happened…. can you even entertain that thought? Your screen name says it all. Something bad happened that night and the paid protectors left a man braindead in a gutter. A tattoed up gangbanger with a gun? A pedophile child killer? No, a mentally handicapped unarmed guy who was running away. My mind is closed… please….. Your up the DJ is motioning you to dance.
Chris Thompson;
Member of the Fullerton School District Board of Trustees…
Bets on Chris running for Council on the back of Kelly’s Death…
Lets watch this one closely….
Go for it Chris!!!!
You dont get votes from Non-Residents….
HERE ME NOW…….. BELIEVE ME LATER.
I hear you, keep it up!!!
too bad you spelled HEAR wrong…..maybe you should LOVE spell check??!!
I continue to read posts of someone prematurely pandering for apologies, pro pd supporters are most certainly entitled to thier opinions, as I am to mine and I will continue to express my opinion, until, hopefully, one day, a jury reaches a verdict of guilty for the “fullerton6” and even afterwards.
i hope ed forwarded it to the contact link…
….. OR until you get up on that rooftop.
Not familiar with ANSWER politics but your advice, “Kevin” seems to be sound one to follow for everyone participating in the protest rally.
KFI AM 640 John and Ken come back on the air this week…let’s hope the “informant” does too. They’ve been a driving force in getting information out to the public.
False info
they will be back wed.. 🙂
Allen lives under a rock, he doesn’t quite know what day it is anymore.
No Allen knows exactly what is going on… It is the last ditch effort of a convicted criminal to exonerate himself….. he believes if he tells a lie long enough that people will believe it… it worked in the 20’s Russia… it worked in the 30’s and 40’s Germany.. and it works in muslim countries today…. but it will not work in Southern California regarding the Kelly Thomas murder .. an unarmed homeless guy who was “questioned” under to be proven circumstances ended up braindead in a gutter while 6 armed cops stood around and watched him bleed into the gutter were allowed to get their “stories straight” … come on Allen… can you hear the cuffs jingle jingle … that aint Santa that is the CDCR coming to take you away. Sorry Allen but I will clap when you go away, because my kids will be safe from at least one killer…
Hi everyone, I’m Jeremy. I think everyone should contact me and let me know what a cool guy I am.
Email-
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Twitter
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And if you have the time, visit the YELP page for my place. maybe everyone can leave more negative reviews about my bar. I love reading about how great everyone thinks I am.
I miss 1998.
They (Yelp) keep having the negative reviews deleted.
I have posted mine 3 times now.
And I will continue to post it as they remove it.
That’s right. All the previously linked reviews that mentioned Kelly Thomas have been removed.
They even removed this negative review though there’s no direct mention of Thomas. Damage control?
posted 8/24 by Laila
“Don’t flag posts, coward.
If there were an option for no star, I would have opted for that. This place is more corrupt than the dirtiest joint in TJ. The only thing left is that the owner gives his first born to whomever he wants to “take care” of the next drifter hanging out near this waste hole. I’ve been in Fullerton my entire life. It’s places like this classy place here that attract the true filth. The bouncers are a bunch of agro meatheads, the staff are a bunch of rude trash balls and the owner, the oh so see through Jeremy Popoff is a low life. I’m embarrassed that this place exists in the city that I use to take so much pride in. It’s like a walking STD. Oh and btw, it’s not just a personal issue. The food SUCKS!!!! Drinks are crap. And the bartender was literally sweating into the drinks. My boyfriend and his cousin almost got into a bar fight defending someone being called homophobic slurs, and what did the beefed up bouncers do? Squat. This place is pretty much self-explanatory. It’s a piece of crap. So is the owner, I hope it goes away sooner than later. All right, I think that’s about it.”
Now then, alot of conjecture, and suppositions are made on these threads by people that dont have all of the facts, but if you have even a small piece of information or even better, a large bit of information, even if you dont think it is pertinent, come forward with it, not neccessarily here, as you can see trolls monitor this sight, I would not be very much suprised if 1or 2 of the “fullerton6” occasionally post inflamitory comments, approach Mr. Thomas at one of the protest rally’s or contact the Admin. of this site. I believe thier is a link here somewhere. Any info. may be the piece that exhonerates, or convicts the “6” When the FBI investigation hit the fan you dont want to be on the wrong side of this, you dont want to be the one with blood on your hands. Cheers everyone.
I bet the cops were not even called out.
Fucking pigs always say “we stopped you today because we received a phone call”. This is complete bullshit. I think there should be more accountability on these so called calls to the police from citizens.
Cops from all over America violate our 4th amendment by saying they received a call and from that they have probable cause. I say that is not probable cause unless they have proof of the actual call. I don’t know about you guys but I’m really sick of cops using that just to give them the right to check your papers. IT’S WRONG!
This is the same shit as a cop walking around in Disneyland walking up to random people checking there papers… or hell with Disneyland… lets say the mall, park, zoo, at the local Burger king.
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A call was made to FPD that reported a person trying to get into several cars. KT was watched for several minutes as he tried multiple cars including the persons car who who called. If it was not a 911 call it will still be recorded. I know that all business lines at FPD are recorded. This will be provided at some point. You guys that believe this was made, I’m telling you right now, that was not the case.
And trying door handles is an instant death sentence in which state?… some states will not prosecute “unlocked car” burglaries because the owner was stupid… look it up Ironside.. your theory will not stand up.
Tony Bushala has contributed thousands of dollars to Answer
Do the search for yourself and check it out.
So…. answer did not beat kelly to death… get back on track troll.
I thought Tony was too busy buying Audi’s to donate money… troll.. keep trying it aint working… and who cares a guy was beaten to death and left in the gutter to die, tony did not do that… Did You?
Who was left in the gutter to die?
Not true.
I just want to say that before all of these horrific injustices happened in Fullerton, I was a proude Fullertonian. I will say that now that these things have come to light I am more proud now to be from Fullerton than ever. The people standing up to these injustices are amazing and I am so proud to be affiliated with them. The powers that be will not get away with murder, depriving people of their civil rights, and outright corruption. I love this City and I love the people that live here. United we stand and we will NOT fall. This blog is fantastic and I have seen nothing that is fabricated or falsified what-so-ever. I don’t want to be ruled by corrupt City officials and corrupt peace officers that don’t look out for the citizens they are sworn to protect. We live in great City. A great County. A great State! But we the people need to monitor the officials that work for US. We employ them and if they cannot police themselves then we will step in and they will be accountable to us, the people. Those of you trolling this site, we are not out to get you. We are fighting for YOUR rights as well as ours. You may hate us and that is your right. If you ever end up on the wrong side of the Fullerton Police Department and find yourself in an ambulance, I think you will not disapprove of the protesters any longer. Hater or not, we are standing up for everyone. The Kelly Thomase murder isn’t just an isolated incodent, more and more corruption is coming to light because of Kelly Thomas. And how dare anyone condemn the Thomas family. Keep in mind that Kelly Thomas was someone’s baby. Someone’s child. Someone’s adult child. Their child was brutally murdered in the street like a dog. His crime was being homeless and mentally ill. Use what logic the good lord gave you and logically think about the hate you are spreading. The hate you are spreading about a dead human being. Kelly Thomas was about as innocent as a 3 year old child. Without medication, schizophrenic persons do not think like an adult or a rational person. They think like a child and when afraid, what does a child do? They run. They run and call for their parents. What did Kelly Do? He ran and cried “Dad, Dad, DAD!”. Does that sound like someone out to hurt the police officers? So, keep hating, but one day you are going to find yourself at the wrong side of corruption and you are going to eat your words and you are going to WISH we were here for you. One thing I have learned in my 40+ years on this earth is that KARMA is a bitch and it never fails. NEVER.
Tony Bushala and friends, THANK YOU! Keep it up and I am right there beside you. Thomas family, I am there with you. Fullertonians, I am there with you!
You need to spend some time with the homeless by the Fullerton Transit Station. You should donate you time time there – at least one day a week, and provide them some food and clothing.
You should spend time advocating for the City to provide shelter for them and other comodities for these decent unfortunate souls. I do.
Instead of bashing your city, work with your city and make positive changes. Try not to get involved because of a tragity that could have occurred anywhere in this country.
Its easy to point a finger as many others in this blog are doing. Take a leap of faith and do something positive and try not to spend time repeating what all of the other bloggers writing about.
Instead of marching in front of the City, consider a food drive. March for the homeless, not against the police. Do it at the Fullerton Station, not City Hall
This is not the pro police Allen… he is too busy at the pool to worry about the “smelly’ people. I suggest if you do not like them walk on by… give a buck or a burger… but please do not beat them to death, the cops do not want competition.
How he spells the word “tragedy” says otherwise.
Really ???? I work really hard for my money and when I go to Downtown Fullerton to spend $100 on dinner I dont want to see, be approched, pan handled by these smelly, dirty homeless mentally ill drug addict people. All you poeple who care take them home with you…. I guess that is not going to happen, I thoght so.
I agree Kronic. Great post and I wish everone showed this much compassion.
well said !!!
stand proud !!! (y)
that is suppose to be a thumbs up… lol
Mr Thompson should run for council and he will get elected. We need people like him who stand for what is right. He is a mover and shaker that the establishment fears and for good reason. He is rational and knows his stuff. I am proud of Mr Thompson. If 3 percent of the country had his courage and wisdom we would be in a whole different world. Remember the blog or Chris or Tony didn’t put anyone in a coma, the goons did. That is why they have to drink themselves to sleep.
Exactly.. that is what scares the cops and the Fullerton guvment…. a man was beaten to death and the ones outraged are getting backing…. if only McPension and the rest had stepped up they could probably have run for congress on this issue… cleaning up dirty guvment will get VOTES .. imagine a city councilman uncovering a uber corrupt system and calling in the feds and the state to clean it up… MEGA votes in todays world where no one trusts the state legislature. congress or the idiot in the white house…. Covering for a couple of dirty cops cost you national attention Fullerton council.
#212 Complete BS!!!!!
ALL: Proof positive regarding who and how the Fullerton Police Department was contacted the evening that Kelly was beaten to death will be made available to the public soon.
Trolls: This is NOT going to be a good day for you when it does.
Ra ca-ca could have been a hero on this… crime fighter… dirty politician killer…. convict guilty cops… etc… ra-ca-ca stepped on his tail with his hoof…. no one trusts the devil in bed with the police unions… Rod Pacheco was tossed out for being a bad DA in colusion with the unions… Ra ca-ca deserves the same….
Name ONE cop Ra-ca ca convicted of an on duty crime?… ONE… just one… the drunken, rapists off duty cops who pop pills and kidnap their girlfriend do not count…. name ONE on duty crime he has prosecuted….. come on…. even the sleeping OCSD jail sheriffs that put hits out on guys where exonerated…. you could have been State AG Tony but you sold out.
were exonerated for the spelling nazi’s
I just contacted a schizo transient at work. Talked to him for a half hour. Ran the Kelly scenario by him in detail. His answers told me alot. I won’t say what he said because you won’t believe it anyways. Funny part is I honestly told him he should take all his friends to Fullerton because it will be the best place for all the homeless for years. I really should have recorded it all. He was so happy and said they would all start making their way to Fullerton. This whole thing will be a success after all.
How long did it take you to come up with that one? What a dumb comment from “Police Man.”
You contacted him at work or while working, was this a good use of your time?
Maybe you should have advised him to apply down at the station, there may be a few openings soon and someone with experience dealing with the homeless may be just what the doctor ordered..
Anytime one (or more) of you strapping lads wants to go **** #### **** xxoo ***, you can meet me in the mens room at the Slidebar.
Cannot miss me…I’m the only dude wearing lipstick.
“Just contacted a schizo transient at work”….(And you rushed home to blog about it?) “Talked to him for half an hour”……(Your taxpayer money at work!) “Ran the Kelley scenario by him in DETAIL (in detail, no less, really?) His answers told me alot. (really? really?) “I honestly told him he should take all his friends to Fullerton”……(So there is a wave of homless schizophrenics making thier way to Fullerton) “I really should have recorded it all”… (yeah, you should have, otherwise people here, might think you were full of shit!) Go to bed junior!
To all the “Fullerton 6” and their spouses/friends posting here… the feds have the authority to subponea computer records and confiscate computers. They can actually look up our IP’s and get our addresses and names off of these posts. Please be carefull when you adamantly try to exonerate your spouse/buddy / partner . I am on a limb but I believe Tony would comply with a federal investigation quicker than Fullerton would… all your emails back and forth to each other can be retrieved by the feds, lets see how many of the “6” end up with computers that they do not know where they went…. this includes any computer in the house… lap top. PC kids computer etc…. yeah they do it. Your I phone accounts are in there too…. keep em comming…. the proof is building up.
I am not a police officer or a spouse and this does not scare me in the least. Maybe this site should be a little concerned if the Feds are involved. There have been some threatening comments towards the officers on this site………… just sayin.
In regards to the original topic of this blog post…we ALREADY know who made the phone call. We can safely say that Jeremy Popoff, co-owner of the Slide Bar, is the one who made the fake call to the police. He called the non-emergency dispatch number, and so there isn’t any 911 recording. Since the Slide Bar is apparently a cop hang out, one of his regulars probably coached him into making a false call to the police, claiming that a crime was taking place (someone was trying to break into cars) to give the police an excuse to go there and “remove” Kelly Thomas. AND we can also safely say that he called the non-emergency number deliberately, so that there wouldn’t be any recording. One of his cop friends no doubt told him how to do all this.
The whole thing was a setup from the very beginning. Kelly Thomas wasn’t just murdered, he was virtually executed. I say “virtually” only because at this point I don’t think Jeremy Popoff wanted to have Kelly Thomas actually killed. But he also didn’t care what happened to Kelly. He wanted him out the way and gone, by whatever means necessary. The Slide Bar is a cop hangout, and he no doubt knew the cops who would be on patrol that day, and who would have been sent to respond to the call. I’m sure he knew full well that Jay Cicinelli and Kenton Hampton were capable of being violent. But that’s who he wanted to get the “job done.” He probably figured they would remove Kelly Thomas, probably kick his ass a little, and finally get rid of him once and for all. I don’t know whether he imagined that they would actually beat him to death. That’s the only reason I’m saying that Jeremey Popoff “virtually” had Kelly Thomas executed.
But…I leave all possibilities open. I think that when we finally get to the bottom of all this and the whole truth is exposed, the real story is going to be more shocking and disgusting than anyone can imagine. We have a whole department of corrupt, rogue police, and a local business who uses them as their hired guns.
By the way, I’m planning to go to Fullerton myself to do a little investigating of my own. My friend’s dad is a former police officer in another city, and his mom also works for the district attorney’s office (in another county, I won’t name which one). His dad often overheard a lot of shady conversations and dealings between city officials and local businesses. They were just sitting at a restaurant, talking about everything. He was sitting at a nearby booth and heard everything. You’d be amazed at the things that crooked officials will talk about if they think that no one is listening.
Maybe I’ll go to Fullerton and do a little snooping and see what else I can find out.
Flood TMZ on August 21, 2011
TMZ Tip Line: 888-847-9869
TMZ Tip Form: http://www.tmz.com/tips
Flood them with links about this case. Mention the band Lit connection and include links to this blog and videos posted on youtube
If they can cover octomom, they sure as hell can cover this
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From what I see about TMZ online they aren’t even a legitimate news channel. They are an entertainment channel. Okay, this is jmo, but Hollywood is self-absorbed with ‘celebrity’ beyond all sanity. The expression “let them eat cake,” would seem a natural reaction of the general Hollywood population (film industry) and the celebrity crazed media (including CNN with their Piers Morgan replacement for celebrity interviewer Larry King) to the problem of homelessness in America today. Why would those self-aggrandized popinjays care about Kelly Thomas?
Yes there have been and still are a minority of ‘Starz’ who use their celebrity to worthy ends, like Anjelina Jolie, Brat Pitt, Matt Damon, and Sean Penn, to name a few. But, good luck with getting a real newsworthy story on any channel nowadays without a celebrity to push it. The Media are all as starstruck as prepubescent girls.
Now, if Kelly’s last name had been Sheen instead of Thomas and he actually HAD been a drug and alcohol abuser as the trolls here keep chanting with glazed over eyes, he would naturally have been covered by TMZ. Of course if Kelly had been a “BadBoy’ celebrity, like Charlie, all these trolls would be defending him his weaknesses instead of attacking him for being guilty of homelessness. Just sayin.’
Still, I genuinely do wish you real luck with your endeavor.
atb
All of the members of the band “Lit” that Jeremy Popoff is a memebr of, are apparently investors in Slidebar Lounge, and are also due to release an album soon. Maybe that’s enough for TMZ to be interested in covering this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lit_(band)
I’ll take the homeless over cops that murder citizens and snicker about it any day
and you will get the homeless over the cops just like you desire. 🙂
It happens daily if you didn’t know. Here’s another one for you all to head over too. Another homeless schizo left dead and naked by the cops. Be loud and be heard!! 🙂
CATHEDRAL CITY (CBS) — A man who had been escorted, naked, by police from the lobby of a downtown Cathedral City motel scuffled with officers an hour later, and then died at Desert Springs Hospital, Cathedral City police said Sunday.
The man, whose name and age has not been released, was first spotted causing a disturbance inside the lobby of an undisclosed motel at 10:35 p.m. Saturday.
Cathedral City officers responded to a call from the innkeeper, escorted the naked man outside and helped him get dressed, police Lt. Glen Haas said.
About an hour later, officers were called to the Cathedral City Auto Center in the 68100 block of East Palm Canyon Drive and found the same man lying on the sidewalk, wearing only shorts, Haas said.
The man tried to run away when he saw the officers, but he was subdued and handcuffed when he attempted to resist.
“Shortly after handcuffing the subject, officers saw that the subject appeared to have labored breathing,” Haas said. “Officers attempted to assist the subject until paramedics arrived.
“Paramedics treated and transported the subject to Desert Hospital, where he was pronounced deceased,” Haas said.
The district attorney’s office is investigating the circumstances of the case
so much scuffling, knock it off you kids
Yes please all of you leave Fullerton and GO TO Cathefdral City and take Thomas and his millions with you.
Oh I forgot the millions are only for Thomas, his wife OTHER kids and grandkids. No money for you Do Gooders get your own homeless mentally ill family member.
The plot thickens…
We’ve heard that the reason the Slide Bar made the fake call to the police was because they wanted to get rid of the homeless people who kept using their restrooms (and especially Kelly Thomas). Well, I just talked with someone on Facebook who has actually been in the Slide Bar. He asked a bartender if “street people” have been a major problem there. This is what he said…
“The bartender said he didn’t think so, and pointed out that very little of their patio actually is street-side. The place is always busy and boisterous. Timid “street people” are not going to risk a lot of hassle by walking through all of that to the middle of the establishment to use the non-locking, multiple-person restrooms there. (They’re not by the door, like in some places.) If in fact Slidebar is involved here, saying this is about homeless people in the restrooms is just an excuse.”
So my question is, if the Slide Bar didn’t make the fake call to the police because of Kelly Thomas hanging around and being a nuisance and using their restroom all the time…WHY did they make the call? It seems to me that they deliberately singled him out for another reason.
I repeat! “Excited Delirium”
No one is too blame when a person dies from this diagnosis except Ron Thomas. He could have helped his son, but no, he kicked him to the curb. Threw him out of his home, the only comfort zone he had where he should have been loved and cared for unconditionally.
If my sons were going down, I would want it to be with me defending them by his side. Oh, maybe if Dad Thomas was by his side some of the time, this would not have happened. Ron Thomas you are directly to blame. But now you want twenty million to… what? HELP THE HOMELESS! Get it?
Jaynond you dumbass, PLEASE GET TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!! A person with the problem that Kelly would rather live on the streets than in a home.
i wondered about the restroom use also..
the train station rr’s are right inside the door, much easier access for kelly then to try to wander thru a crowded business..
train staion is just across the way, very close…
How do you figure this incident was made up?
jay.. you don’t deserve a response..
why are you even here??
Funny, still loves fullerton, I was just wondering the same thing about you. Why are you even here?
I am out for justice, but very few of you are. All you mobbers are so blind to the laws of the nation that you actullay, just like Ron Thomas, want to see all the officer excuted and be the one to pull the switch. Well, Dad Thomas did pull the switch on his own son by not being there for him. He wasnt even able to recognize a photo of KT, why? because it had been so long since he had seen him or had wanted to see him. .
Jeremy Popoff should take note…with the internet, there is an amazing ability to uncover corruption and destroy careers literally overnight.
If you do a search for “Jay Cicinelli” on Google, his name instantly shows up as the infamous one-eyed Fullerton cop who beat Kelly Thomas to death.
Yet if you had done a search for his name a couple of months ago, probably NOTHING would have turned up…except maybe for a few old archived news articles about the shooting back in the late 1990’s.
See how fast that happened.
Guess what is going to happen to the Slide Bar and Jeremy Popoff? Very soon, a Google search for his name isn’t going to show a former member of a band…it’s going to show someone who made a false call to the police to have a homeless person “eliminated” by rogue cops.
Chris, I think you got it wrong, Dad Thomas was a rogue father!
It seems that you have knowledge of something about to happen at the slide bar. Is it something unlawful? Was that a threat or u jus blowin smoke?
Word is Jay Cicinelli is one of the best most qualified cops on the FPD? Anyone heard otherwise?
Not anymore.
Hahahahahaha. And you’re no shill for the FPD or anything, right?
Oh, and by the way, jaynbound, you have no clue what you’re talking about. None whatsoever. Ron Thomas could not recognize his son IN THE HOSPITAL, because he was beaten up beyond recognition. That’s how horrible his injuries were. At first, his own dad couldn’t even recognize him. Where the hell are you getting this story that he didn’t recognize him in a photo??
Oh, unless you mean the old booking picture that the FPD tried to claim was Kelly Thomas and people who actually knew him said wasn’t him. (The hair color wasn’t even the same).
And when are you going to get through your skull that there was very little Ron Thomas could to do help his son? Mentally ill people CANNOT legally be held against their will. They tried to help him, but if he refused to stay in a treatment center and was not a direct threat to himself or others, he couldn’t be kept against his will. They had to release him. He had been in and out of hospitals and treatment centers for years. His family helped him as much as they could, and he would go to their house now and then. But they couldn’t force him to stay.
And the knee-jerk cop lovers like you need to understand how serious this issue is. Those cops (especially Jay Cicinelli) are psychotic. And there might be others like them out there. They will snap with little or no provocation and then beat someone else to death. And it could happen to anyone. Even you.
And yes, I would like very much for the cop who ultimately killed Kelly Thomas to be put to death. Or at least life in prison with no possibility of parole. He is a danger to the public, the same danger as a serial killer. Heck, for all we know, Jay Cicinelli might even be a serial killer…maybe there are other incidents that we don’t even know about and were covered up by the FPD. At this point, I would not be surprised to find out that this monster had committed other murders and excused it with the catch-all phrase “resisting arrest.”
Or maybe the Slide Bar had another one of their cop buddies “eliminate” other witnesses. From what we’re seeing, the corruption in Fullerton is endless.
Touch a nerve there Chris? You seem to be a little upset that someone would dare to say anyhting good about a cop.
Are you saying the slide bar people are also murderers? Do they need to be executed also? Well, heck… golly… let’s just get rid of everybody connected with this death by Excited Delirium. Not by murder.
Don’t be surprised if you see the Excited Delirium diagnosis somewhere in the final report. What then Chris?
The fact that a rogue cop who could beat someone to death with little or no provocation? Do you mean did that touch a nerve? Yes, it certainly does and it should touch a nerve for anyone with half a brain.
This could happen to anyone.
Also, Jay Cicinelli was hardly the “best qualified.” Even if it weren’t for this incident which revealed him as being psychotic. After he was shot back in the late 1990’s, even the LAPD didn’t want him anymore. He had only one functional eye and his lack of depth perception made him no longer physically qualified. My guess is that the LAPD also realized that he had psychological damage too. They realized he was a ticking time bomb and a huge liability (which they definitely didn’t want after the Rodney King incident and the Rampart scandal).
I just don’t get it…do knee-jerk cop supporters like you just switch off your common sense at some point? You can look at that picture of Kelly Thomas in the hospital (which made it hard for me to sleep) and still make absurd statements like “oh, we don’t have all the facts.”
Okay…so tell me, under WHAT scenario would horrific injuries like that actually be justified. Let’s try this the other way around. You imagine a scenario where crushing a man’s windpipe, breaking facial bones, and putting him in a coma would be justified? You can’t. Because there is no scenario. There is NOTHING which would justify it.
You’re either a troll, or at some point you just switched off the higher reasoning capabilities of your brain and no longer have common sense. Or you are so brainwashed into supporting cops (no matter what they do) that you will support a cop who has obviously committed murder.
jay?? all i see from you, is you trying to provoke slander out of ppl here.. your not worth a keystroke either..
hopefully everyone will stop bothering with you ..
Where is the evidence that they “obviously Committed murder?” Yeah, I thought so!
And no, we don’t have all the facts and when they are released will you be here then?
And I bet you are not a doctor. The picture of KT in the hospital only shows blood from a bloody nose and nothing more, no contusions or laceration anywhere.
Well, I’m certainly done with him/her.
I said earlier that we should all just ignore “Reality Is,” “Outraged,” “Allen” and “I love Cops.” They’re just trolls. And I strongly suspect that it might all be the same person (or maybe two people, at most) posting under multiple screen names.
Until they showed up, all the comments in the blog were useful, with people posting links to articles and new videos showing up on YouTube, etc. It was coherent, with good discussions and we were all working toward the same goal…uncovering corruption in the Fullerton Police Department and the Orange County DA, and getting justice for Kelly Thomas.
Then the trolls showed up recently, and they tried to create the illusion of “another side” that didn’t exist. That’s what trolls usually do. There is no other side to this one. The mutual feeling is outrage, and that these cops brutally MURDERED Kelly Thomas.
I admit I got suckered by jaynbond this time, but I’m done with the trolls. If we stop bothering to respond to them and ignore them, they’ll go away. Or at most, they’ll just look like a few idiots that post a random comment that doesn’t make any sense and no one is replying to.
I really wish Tony would moderate the blog comments a little more though.
If not for the trolls you people would be lost in your own dream world. At least now you are opening your eyes just a little bit to what is actually going on, and what actually happened at the event. Then when the DA makes his decision you will already know some of the facts. You would be surprised who is on this site monitoring the opinions of Tony and the activists he brings to town. Knowing the names of people that hate the police from both in and out of town is very valuable information to have. I’ve already said the solution to the trolls, make a blog site that only allows Facebook log ins. That’s what newspapers and sites are doing and it works great. It limits the responses in a big way and would probably cut this site down by 80% or more, but it makes most people use their real sign ins because fake Facebook profiles are harder to make.
well, i’m still learning who’s who, so your’e not alone..
i agree this is a good place for ppl to try to come to grips with this turmoil..
amazing ppl don’t realize how serious this is..
*some ppl…
Still… Why don’t you like people to have their own opinion? You have yours. Just because you don’t agree?
What was that about provoking slander? It is just My Opinion. I think Dad Thomas is trying to cash in on his son’s death. Twenty million! He wants to feed the homeless! What an abomination to his son’s memory.
well, i need some sleep..
peaceful dreams to all..
goodnight..
I can’t help to reply to this last comment from the troll jaynbond though:
“…The picture of KT in the hospital only shows blood from a bloody nose and nothing more, no contusions or laceration anywhere.”
Good lord. Where to even start? I suppose the picture I saw of his eyes swollen shut, several huge gashes on his forehead, and swelling around the face and eye orbits was someone else who was named Kelly Thomas?
You know what, I hate you even more jaynbond. Not for being a troll, but for the fact that because of you I had to look up that picture and see it again. It gave me nightmares the first time I saw it, and it’s not much easier to see it this time either.
I’m done with you. Have a nice life, jaynbond. I hope that for your sake, you never get pulled over by a Fullerton police officer.
I have been pulled over by the fullerton cops and apologized to them for wasting their time, that was after I signed the ticket!
Chris, the swelling is from a broken nose, that can clearly be seen. But that is only if you are a professional, trained to observe these types of injuries, this is not a putdown, I think laypersons don’t always know what to look for.
WANTED; To answer for the Murder of Kelly Thomas;
Jay Cecinelli
James Blaney
Kenton Hampton
Manny Ramos
Joe Wolfe
Stop resisting, stop resisting, the TRUTH!
I am so proud of you guys in Fullerton. Most times when something like the Kelly Thomas beating happens, it doesn’t get hardly any attention, and if it does, the attention doesn’t stay. I figured it would be like anything else, people would protest for a week or two and then go home and forget it. But you guys are still there protesting. You people are GREAT AMERICANS, keep it up! Don’t back down until Kelly gets justice.
Ditto Dan!
If I could put up a big sign it would read ‘PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS”
Funny, Just ignore them because they make no sense at all. They are trying to detract and are trying to prevent us from using this blog constructively. They don’t even believe the BS they spew. Ignore them and they will get tired of being ignored and cease.
Use this blog to post informative articles, any investigative tidbits so we can put togther for more of a complete picture of all things that ocurred on July 5th and since then, including all the people that were involved and what their roles were.
I found this online from “Big Wheel Magazine”
August 5, 2011
It starts:
“The overall energy this past Friday night in Fullerton was muted, which regrettably carried over into The Slidebar. (My guess is that Orange County locals are staying away from the city due to the recent death of Kelly Thomas at the hands of the Fullerton PD.) It’s unfortunate because there was a fabulous line-up that night: Continental Band, Steve Soto and The Tainted Hearts, with Jesse Malin and The St. Marks Social headlining.”
Aww! They lost a little business that night.
I think the author was saying that, in spite of what’s happening in Fullerton, we should go to the Slide Bar anyway because the rock and roll line up they has that night was much more important than Kelly Thomas.
That of course should read:
“the rock and roll line up they HAD that night was much more important than Kelly Thomas.”
…and here’s the link to the review:
http://www.bigwheelmagazine.com/show_reviews/jesse-malin-and-the-st-marks-social-steve-soto-and-the-twisted-hearts-continental-band-at-the-slidebar-fullerton-ca-august-5-2011/
Kim, the chant I heard was “Jail killer cops”, not “Kill killer cops”.
Okay, my apologies
I think one guy was saying, “kill killer cops” though. It was AnswerLA. I have nothing to gain from this. I have no problem with them. The guy was messing up a lot of the yells. I’m pretty sure it was before you showed up, Tony.
Kim,you hold yourself out as some type of quasi-jounalist.As a journalist, you are not to be part of the story.you didn’t like what you heard,and in other posts you are taking a pro-police stance.Who are you writing for? Let’s see some of your work.
If she’s the Kim that has posted links to articles recently, you can find one at http://www.examiner.com/community-in-los-angeles/kelly-thomas-protests-taken-to-a-new-level. You can find the rest of them from there by clicking on her name. That was extremely easy to find. JudasPriest you’re lazy :p
I can be fair for the five sites I write for and still have an opinion outside of that. I know all of you like to quash opinions on here, but sorry, mine won’t be quashed.And I didn’t put kill killer cops in the article.
And keep reading. For this site, I get paid per click. 🙂
I’ve just been told some interesting information…
It seems that there was in fact a call made to the main number of the FPD, by a high level staff member of the Slide Bar. We can all infer who that was.
And the FBI is investigating. I’m sure more about this is going to follow very soon.
I’ve just been told some interesting information…
It seems that there was in fact a call made to the main number of the FPD, by a high level staff member of the Slide Bar. We can all infer who that was.
And the FBI is investigating. I’m sure more about this is going to follow very soon.
…and there also were NO car break-ins in the vicinity that night.
Chris # 316, maybe Chriss witnessed something and not because he was supposedly using their bathroom. Hmmmm
Chris # 316, maybe Kelly witnessed something. Hmmm
http://www.thefirstamendment.org/publicrecordsact.pdf
Police Incident reports, rap sheets and arrest
records are exempt (Penal Code §§ 11075,
11105, 11105.1), but information in the “police
blotter” (time and circumstances of calls to police;
name and details of arrests, warrants,
charges, hearing dates, etc.) must be disclosed
unless disclosure would endanger an investigation
or the life of an investigator. Investigative
files may be withheld, even after an investigation
is over. (Gov. Code § 6254(f); Williams v. Superior
Ct., 5 Cal. 4th 337 (1993); County of L.A. v.
Superior Ct., 18 Cal. App. 4th 588 (1994). Ident ifying
data in police personnel files and misconduct
complaints are exempt, but disclosure may
be obtained using special procedures under Evidence
Code section 1043.
Kim,
FYI…the protesters were actually chanting “Jail killer cops” and not “Kill Killer cops”.
Like I said to Tony, my apologies.
is there a lawyer in the house?
http://ag.ca.gov/publications/summary_public_records_act.pdf
Chris, enjoyed reading your posts, found them to be informative and thought provoking, that is putting this blog to its best use. I noticed you got mired with a troll for a moment, it seemed to me that you were perhaps on to something thats why you were afforded “troll love” also “still loves Fullerton” who appeared to me, to still be new to this blog picked up a “troll bully”. This is what they do, post inflamitory comments, and bully people, in an attempt to supress or distract, I myself try to ignore them, to aknowledge them plays right into what they want, although I am not always successful, I try to ignore them. One of the contributers to this board, even seems to have his own “troll caddy” that follows him around from thread to thread, but he/she just swats them away easily enough. Anyway hope you dont let them keep you both from contributing to this board…
nomad, thank you for your support. I think that is exactly what’s going on. The people who are onto something and post the most information inevitably get targeted by the trolls. And like I’ve said earlier, I’m pretty sure most of them are the SAME person posting under multiple screen names.
Ana had an interesting possibility that I hadn’t considered…
Maybe that was the REAL reason why Kelly was singled out? Maybe he had seen something earlier that he wasn’t supposed to? Since we have been told that the Slide Bar is a cop hang out, it is definitely possible that one of Jeremy Popoff’s cop buddies coached him into making the false call, to remove Kelly Thomas as a witness. It would have been a win-win for both Jeremy Popoff and his crooked cop buddies. He would get rid of a homeless person that annoyed him, and the cops would be able to remove a witness to something they had done wrong earlier. I don’t think those cops necessarily set out to kill him from the beginning in a pre-meditated way. They probably just wanted to arrest him, and maybe “kick his ass” (their words, according to many sources) a little to scare him off. But they certainly wanted to kill him once they had started beating him. Jay Cicinelli just couldn’t control himself. He’s a true psychopath.
You just might be onto something, Ana.
LOL wow you guys really do smoke some funny shit. You should write a book and use this as the opening chapter. No wonder no one wants to provide any information to you guys. It’s like a free comedy show watching you come up with the most off the wall shit I’ve ever seen. Comical.
You know, providing information to people that would prove them wrong would really shut them up. I’m wondering why that information is still secret…
I just wondered why would they would “single Kelly out” as well. If he was a witness, he probably didn’t even realize what he witnessed because of his illness. He was probably one of the most docile homeless/drifters amongts all of them there. And that bar is a real Slimebar for being the match that lit the barrage of hate and blows upon Kelly.
I think it still incredible that anyone would question how Kelly died. Let someone bash your head, face and neck in and see how long you will live and as far as life support, that’s why they call it a life support because without it you wouldn’t be able to live.
It’s reasonable to presume that a “timid”, schizophrenic man, would not hassle walking through a crowd of drinking revelers, loud music, lights, just to use the bathroom, most bars I have been to have “doormen” to prevent those kind of things anyway. Does the slidebar not employ doormen? Some places employ off duty pd for this purpose. I have seen “drifters” sift through ash cans outside of bars looking for “butts” to smoke and chased away by bartender or doormen. My friends brother is kinda a “drifter” and he engages in this activity, I asked him once, If he wasn’t worried about contracting some sort of communicable disease, smoking strangers ciggerettes, he said “no, that he unrolls them, and puts the tabacco into his own rolling papers” Don”t know if this is what Kelly was doing? but to walk through a busy bar just to take a leak?…nah. I think “Chris” was making the point that there are bathrooms within close proximity across the street, when s/he, was distracted by a troll.
Are there any cameras in that part of town that might have captured Kelly’s movements or people that saw him so a timeline can be created for his whereabouts before the beating took place, its not like he blended, he must have been seen. All I have read is that he was seated on a bus bench when accosted by the fullerton6 and he had alledgedly been breking into cars, yea right, more likely looking for “butts” to smoke
Establishing a timeline for Kellys movements before the beating may not have anything to do with anything, or perhaps it could trigger some piece of info. someone else might have, to fall into place, doesnt hurt to ask
nomad, the most important camera was the one in the parking lot at the bus station, which of course the camera that recorded the entire beating and which the city and the Orange County DA are refusing to release.
(Even though the Fullerton cops were allowed to watch the video WHILE writing their reports).
There are several other cameras mounted throughout the city. Someone had posted a link to a page which listed the locations for all the cameras, but I don’t remember the address for the website. But it doesn’t matter – the city won’t release any videos from those cameras. Especially if any of them did happen to record Kelly Thomas before the beating. They’ll say it is part of the “investigation” (read: cover-up) and they won’t release the videos.
Our only chance at this point is if there are any private businesses who have their own security cameras and are willing to post their videos. Surely, there must be a least a few business owners in Fullerton with a sense morality? They can’t ALL be as bad as the Slide Bar.
I’m seriously planning on going to Fullerton very soon, to do my own investigation. Especially some snooping into the Slide Bar and their relationship with the FPD.
One of my friends is helping me to work on a system so that videos from a handheld video camera can be downloaded to a remote server in real time…just in case a corrupt cop decides to “confiscate” the camera. There will be another video recording saved on an off-site computer that we have. If we record any misconduct by police, it will be posted everywhere on the internet literally within minutes and there won’t be a damn thing the cops could do about it.
Qik= live stream buy it on line. $50 you can get a sweet pen/button cam @Brickhouse security. watches and belt buckles too.
Exactly, thats what I was hoping might be the case, perhaps some private footage from a local business that could confirm Kellys whereabouts, time, direction and compare to time of “so-called” call of reported breaking and entering into vehicles. Looks like that troll antagonized the wrong person! Goodluck with your endeavor, Be safe, and may God bless you for trying to help.
…and your friend as well!
Any one of us could of been Kelly. And if you think that what happened to him could never happen to you, well my friend your are in deep denial. Any number of circumstances could put you squarely where Kelly was that night.
So when you support and protest for Kelly and his family, you’re not just doing it for him but you are also doing it for you, your family, friends, neighboors or a person that you have never meet. If you don’t weed out bad cops, your always going to be in fear of ever cop that you come across.
JUSTICE for KELLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ every one with a smart phone needs to have one of these Pig Busting app
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/06/policing-the-police-the-apps-that-let-you-spy-on-the-cops/240916/
This guy wasnt an angel…..Dads just looking for cash. I guess he wont have to renew the restraining order
So murder is only murder if the victim was an “angel”???
Really??? If a person has any history of mental illness or crimes in their past, it’s okay for the police to beat them death??
You’re quite a human being…
So murder is only murder if the victim was an “angel”???
Really??? If a person has any history of mental illness or crimes in their past, it’s okay for the police to beat them death??
You’re quite a human being…
A good police chief would have went to local businesses and asked for video immediately after finding out his men put a homeless man in a coma for stealing from cares
A good chief cares about the public before his employees when it comes to public safety vs rogue brutalizers
New update from OVWeekly
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/08/slidebar_kelly_thomas_call_police.php#more
I remember having lunch with some friends on Slidebar’s patio well over a year ago when Kelly Thomas was hounding customers for money and food. He was harmless, but, customers left due to the fact he was bothersome. I actually saw Jeremy give his left over container of food to Kelly and politely asked him to go. On several occasions I witnessed Jeremy taking care of the homeless who lingered around his establishment. He has a good heart and is a good man. Many Fullerton officers visit the Slidebar. When it was brought to their attention homeless people frequent the outskirts of the patio, they instructed the manager and all employees to “give us a call and let us know they are “breaking into cars,” we’ll show up and f*&k with them.” I guess that meant they would show up and beat them to death. So, the phone call made..who’s to blame? The person in the establishment instructed to do what they told him to do or the police who beat the man to death?
As stories unfold, you can clearly see these Fullerton cops and its cronies are cowardice, liars, thugs, incompetents and disgrace to America.
See you at Fed trials very soon.
Are the little piggy’s ready to oink,they will be
I have lived in OC most my life. Fullerton PD have always been know to be a bunch of John Waynes. Anyone involved with this assassination ,”because that is what it was”, needs to rot in prison in the general population. This is so disgusting I want to throw up. Has the system gotten so currupt?. These officers that have sworn to protect and server the people instead harrass and murder them. The sad thing is that this is not isolated to Fullerton.This is just but a symptom of bigger problems we are having. People we need get out from behind our curtains of denial and and admit our gevernment is broken and we as citizens need to repair it while we still have a country tht we can call “Land of the free and home of the Brave”.
Oh yah I forgot. Rodney King wasn’t beaten close to this bad. It was made a huge deal. I wonder if it will be the same for a homeless white man.