Adios, Cicinelli!
The OC Register is reporting that Jay Cicinelli, the man we watched smash Kelly Thomas’s head with the butt of his taser is no longer employed by the people of Fullerton.
According to his dear old stepdad, John Huelsman, he was fired for policy violations and excessive force, a charge Cicinelli will be fighting.
Of course for those who watched the snuff video, and later heard Cicinelli’s admission that he smashed Kelly’s face “to Hell,” this action was a no-brainer. Even though the DA charged this creep nine months ago with manslaughter, the Fullerton Police Department and the Three Bald Tires permitted the investigation sham drag out for over a year before cutting Cicinelli loose.
Wow! Kill a homeless man, get a one year paid vacation
And a few medical pension retirements. Fullerton is a nice city.
He’s been on unpaid leave for 10 months.
Bcuz of his long distinguished service Capt Hughes let him use his sick/vacation/comp time which paid him through the beginning of the year
Let him use? He’s required by law to “let him use” that time. Don’t bullshit the readers.
Oh, wait, you’re a JD clone. All you do is poop, wipe, post, and repeat.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/07/21/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-anaheim/
I’ve watching this story unfold for approximately a year since the Kelly Thomas story made the news (I live in the Midwest). Weren’t Cicinelli and Ramos supposed to go to trial July 13th? I see that Cicinelli was fired from the FPD; when do these 2 bozos (Ramos and Cicinelli) go to trial? Why isn’t Wolfe on trial? Congratulations on winning the re-call, but until these goddamned cops go to prison, nothing will change in Fullerton. I’ve been following some of the articles in FFF; haven’t seen much on the arraigment, upcoming trials (I did see where the pre-trial was postponed last spring).
Chickens really do come home to roost.
Hey, Bravo FFFF for keeping Kelly’s story alive and active.
Were it not for you, this police torture thing would be nothing more than business as usual.
I am so proud of the good people of Fullerton.
Blessings on you.
One of my favorite quotes of the civil rights era was by the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr…
The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood.
Truth.
Here’s the part that I still don’t understand about the Fullerton Police Department.
If a police officer is acting in his official capacity, you cannot put a restraining order on him.
You are instead advised to contact their Supervisors, who in my experience, have more contempt for the public than the original offensive officer that caused you to seek out the Supervisor…(apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree?)
And if you don’t like it? Well, you still have to pay for it, and the cost of the public safety budget in Fullerton to us residents is over $50,000,000.00 per year!
Divide the %50,000,000 by 120 officers and it costs Fullerton $416,000 per sworn officer. Hmmm, that pension spike must really be high!
Amen SD.
FFFF and the good citizens of Fullerton and Kelly’s Army made enough noise to get enough media attention to get the Powers that Be to finally start to do the right thing and hang those disgraces to the badge. YEAH!
Bad news. The request I made to the city council for the dispatch transcripts won’t happen. The D.A. will be asking the court to put a restraining order on the call by Monday. (Email I got from one of the councilmen this morning.
This proves the call was made. Why else would he want a restraining order. We need to protest once again at Ra-cock-ass’s office!
We can only hope the judge tells him to go jump in a lake.
Consider a contrast in this case between the attornys for the suspects and the attorney for the people of Orange County and the victim.
A while back, a major development occurred when that bouncer filed a lawsuit against the Slidebar. He claims he was wrongfully terminated for telling DA investigators the truth that Kelly wasn’t lifting any car door handles but was harmlessly milling around for cigarette butts at the transportation center like he always did that time of day. That news was a blow to the defense and those who want to sully Kelly. A counter story was needed. FPD staff investigators then called the DA to tell them they had noted some audio where Ramos appeared to be courteous to someone. This wasn’t new evidence. The defense lawyers already had that audio. Yet, the DA promptly passes along word to Barnett who runs to the media trumpeting, “game changer, game changer!” He was actually able to further delay the arraignment and trial based on that insignificant information.
That audio wasn’t a game changer at all of course. The overwhelming game changer was that a member of the Security staff where the call was initiated had reported to the Orange County District Attorney that he was an eyewitness of events and that Kelly was fully innocent of even minor offenses that night. Now, does the DA trumpet this fact to vindicate the victim? No, he hides the information and tries to suppress public awareness of the truth. Oh yeah, there is an investigation. You do realize, Mr. DA, that investigations are meant to uncover facts and not to be misused as an excuse to bury them, right?
Will that bouncer’s lawsuit quietly disappear before any court hears this information? Maybe, but more likely, all the facts will come out despite the efforts of anyone trying to mitigate culpability in this case. Justice for Kelly isn’t achieved by sending Ramos and Cicinelli to jail for a year or two. Justice is served by allowing the light of truth to openly shine on this case without obstruction.
Mr. Bunyan – I am so impressed with your analysis.Thank you for sharing this.
Yeah but this time the DA is walking a tightrope with a bed of nails below, the outraged public at one end and the police unions at the other end of the rope with their fangs gleaming in the light of day. This case will make or break him. It is never too late to do the right thing.
R.D. You fool. Hey what happened to your clowncil? They didn’t come through? Burned on you sucker. Let’s see how much they do. You guys are on the back burner now. Kelly who?
Fuck that one-eyed murdering pig. And fuck his jackass pig stepfather too!
The victim’s father said Hughes advised him the other three officers likely will not lose their jobs.
“I think they should all be fired,” Ron Thomas said of the six officers involved in the arrest of his son.
“Now, whether they should all face criminal charges, that’s another question.”
Craig, who trained the others, and Hampton and Blatney deserve to lose their jobs in part because they did not render aid quickly or effectively enough to Kelly Thomas after the beating, the elder Thomas said.
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=10285718
His attorney is going to put all the blame on the City of Fullerton for hiring a grievously injured and psychologically traumatized individual and placing him back into highly stressful situations- in essence returning him to the same environment where he almost lost his life. I hate to say it, but his prosecution is gonna be difficult-ADA will probably also be a factor. The city had a duty through its hiring process to not give in to sentimentality- ironically, this same argument will probably be used in a civil case under the negligent hiring/retention doctrine. Anyone at FPD or the city-current or retired- who was involved in the hiring process and did not make written notations against hiring him is subject to subpoena. Just my opinion and I welcome opposing viewpoints.
Yes.
As usual, the system that claims a “higher standard” took over a year to fire this filthy pig whereas if a WalMart Greeter committed the same heinous act he would’ve been fired the day after the murder. It took this long or longer to fire the other dirty pigs who lost their jobs. Imagine of you were a bank clerk and got caught on camera stealing a laptop from a airport security area. Would you stay on the payroll for months and months while the bank investigated your crime?
“Higher standard” my ass.
And then they wonder why nobody respects them.
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I like the Walmart greeter example. Picturing that made me LOL.
One other thought.
Why is it that if someone were collecting Social Security Disability benefits committed a crime that they would automatically lose their benefits while incarcerated or on probation, yet the police officers who are in the same boat continue to receive their disability or retirement benefits?
Double standard?
Not only is it a ‘double standard’ it is a LOWER STANDARD!
That’s my point here. Cops are NOT held to a ‘higher standard’ as these departments claim. But the media NEVER calls them out on those lies. Guys like Ponsi allow them to get away with it. And when the claim is made …… it always goes unchallenged even though it’s a bald-faced lie and the big secret that everybody knows about.
The system is gamed from the top-down. The white shoe boys on top claim the higher moral ground when they’re really nothing more than thugs with badges who make every attempt to look the other way or to formulate excuses when their subordinate thugs get caught dirty.
Enjoy your little victory, bedwetters! You won’t be cheering for long — Jay will be found NOT GUILTY at trial and then he will be filing a lawsuit for wrongful termination and when he wins that he will be getting many more $$$$$ from you ANIMALS.
In the meantime, don’t waste your time fantasizing that he is suffering from a lack of income, he isn’t — and we’ll get through this and he will be vindicated. And he will be back on the streets patrolling one day doing the duty he has devoted his life to. Perhaps not in Fullerton, but somewhere … hopefully somewhere where his sacrifice and service will be better appreciated.
“Enjoy your little victory…” Thank you, we will, and remember, -keep looking over your shoulders, watching your tongues, and second guessing your “friends,”….’cause you ain’t seen nothin yet!! There’s more to come! P.S. MURDER is NEVER appreciated by good people, no matter where you try to hide.
If you say every cop that responded should be fired, which they won’t, then that shows how ignorant you are. Put yourself in that call for help position and you respond and hold arms and legs and that’s all you do. You think you should be fired?
What was missing was their honor. No honor. No job. Pretty simple that one.
They should be fired for not rendering aid to a dying person. That’s enough for me.
FYI– that’s the same standard of care from a tort perspective for any citizen. Had I sat on someone until they passed out and they died later, I’d be liable for not rendering aid if I just stood around laughing with my buddies. By exercising the use of physical force (lawfully or unlawfully,) the officers undertook a basic duty to care.
Cops undertake an additional duty of care just by wearing a badge (i.e. they owe a duty to ANYONE in distress– not just those they put in distress), which just makes things worse. They should be fired, they should be sued, and they should lose– just like any of us would.
Also, your comments are full of poop.
They ALL stood around laughing and getting their booboos attended to while Kelly lay dying in the gutter.
The filthy swine are ALL guilty.
LOL
YES!! You don’t suffocate and bludgeon an unarmed man to death while he is being held down!! And, you don’t assist in holding a man down, rendering him helpless, and watch and say nothing while others are beating him to death!
To I own Fullerton: why were they holding Kelly Thomas down to begin with. None of this makes any sense. Higher and Higher. Supoena the transcript from the slimebar call. Where was this call really made from who knows it could have been made from someones cell phone in a car .Maybe there was more than one call made. One way or the other we are going to find out. To Tony and Travis thank-you for being formidable, thank’you I feel the hands of the Lord Jesus Christ and his providence on you. Keep asking the real tough questions. we are truly blessed in Fullerton to have courageous public servants like you. I love You. To the Cicinelli family.I feel your suffering and maybe there are some things that Jay would like to tell someone off the record for now. Redemption.
Look’s like Jay’s wife Trina will soon be teaching some of your children to be better Christians?
http://www.whittierchristian.org/District/profile/371-Trina-Cicinelli
What the hell are you trying to prove by posting this?!
Someone needs their mouth washed out with soap.
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Just in case there are still those that don’t believe that there has historically been collusion between Christianity and the KKK, read this historical account about the two groups alliance in Anaheim, California…
In some states, such as Alabama and California, the KKK worked for political reform. In 1924, the Klan became active in local politics in Anaheim, California. The city had been controlled by an entrenched commercial-civic elite that was mostly German American. The elite gave little support to the prohibition lawsâthe mayor, for example, had been a saloon keeper. The Klan, led by the minister of the First Christian Church, represented a rising group of politically oriented non-German citizens who had been shut out of influence and who denounced the elite as corrupt, undemocratic and self-serving. Cocoltchos says the Klansmen sought to create a model orderly community. There were about 1200 Klan members in orange County, and Cocoltchos tracked them through local records, comparing them to 300 prominent anti-Klan activists. The economic and occupational profile of the pro and anti-Klan groups shows the two were similar and about equally prosperous. Cocoltchos finds no evidence of status anxiety. The Klansmen were all Protestants, as were most of the antis, but the antis also enlisted many Catholic Germans. The Klansmen had a much higher rate of voting and joining nonpartisan civic groups (such as the Chamber of Commerce) than the others before they joined the Klan, suggesting to Cocoltchos it was a high sense of civic activism that led to joining the KKK in the first place. The Klan easily won the hotly contested local election in Anaheim in April 1924. They systematically fired Catholic city employees and replaced them with Klansmen. The new city council tried to strictly enforce prohibition, and the Klan held large rallies and initiation ceremonies over the summer. The opposition organized, bribed a Klansman for the secret membership list, exposed the Klansmen running in the primaries and defeated most of them. The antis stepped up the campaign in 1925 and succeeded in a hotly contested election in voting to recall the Klansmen who had been elected in April 1924. The Klan in Anaheim quickly collapsed, its newspaper closed after losing a libel suit, and the minister who led the local Klavern moved to Kansas
OMG. Are you accusing the Cicinellis of being KKK folk?
Looks like the KKK chickens came home to roost in Anaheim. Note the white officer in the video shooting freely into a family of non-whites, and then for an encore the police officers “accidently” release a huge German Shepherd, which immediately begins mauling an innocent baby that is in a baby carriage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqzoKY1CyAg
You need to watch it again. It appears the bady was not touched, but a young man got the bites on his arm. These dogs are trained to well, the dog would not have attacted unless given the command. It is the handlers fault.
@1:48 on the tape the mother states that they unleashed the dogs on my baby. If you watch the tape you’ll see that the dog went straight for the baby, and settled for a man who intervened instead.
Oh boy, look – the triumphant return of Lisa, now under a new name. Did you get an Extreme Makeover? Were any animals killed in the process? Anyway, sweetheart, my offer still stands _ I’ll swing by the house and wet your bed for you anytime.
Oh you just try. Your master will have you back on top of the car in no time….
FPD Defender, IMO you’re lower than whale shit for defending these putrid savage animals who beat a 135 lb man with a thought disorder to death. After they finished with Kelly it looked as if he face went through a meat grinder. You must be a fricken monster to support such low-life scum.
http://www.riskmanagementmonitor.com/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america/
Who said Cicinelli would be suffering from lack of income. I have said numerous times he has been getting $47,800 per year for around 14 years as a disability pension (mostly tax free) for losing his eye. He never should have been put on patrol duty. The entire amount $47.8 x 14 = $669,000 should be immediately returned to the State of California since he worked in substantially similar work the entire time.
Again Tuco. Your opinion. That was investigated and proven legal and will continue forever. He will also get his Fullerton pension when he turns 50.
Yeah, let’s rehire Jay and let him work the streets again. Maybe it will be your skull that gets bashed in next time, FPD defender.
Pendejo.
FPD Defender:
It’s idiots like you that reinforce that we get rid of the entire FPD! Defending corrupt, murderous cops. Would you defend a baby raping cop also? You’re a total piece of shit! Get a life!
#15 f.p.d. defender: US ANIMALS????? Who are the ”ANIMALS ” HERE??? Are you ANOTHER sick, heartless cop, or family member??? Jesus, what would your SISSY- Nellie HAVE TO DO, BEFORE YOU WOULD SEE WHAT A HEARTLESS PIG, he is???? (& the others too) To do that to a homeless, ill young man who was`nt even ARMED!!!! Now if another bunch of pig cops did the same thing to a loved one of YOURS, please ( honestly) tell us hoe YOU would feel???? Would it be different, because he was ” one of YOUR own”??? You are a sick s.o.b. !!!! God help the people in any city, that your ”sissy- nellie” would ever be back on their streets!!!! And, if there is true justice in this whole horrific situation concerning Kelly Thomas, not only will your one-eyed pig….NOT be on ANYONE`S streets again, but he`ll be in prison, WHERE HE BELONGS!!!!! He can brag about smashing Kelly`s face in, & you don`t see anything wrong with that????!!!!!! YOU SICK POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING , MAY YOU ”ROT TOO!!!!!!!
Hey Jay! Here’s a familiar phrase for you:
STOP RESISTING! You’ve been given a lawful command to stand down, back your bags, and get the hell outta town. Keep appealing (resisting) and we just might run out of options . . .
next, send his ass to prison
We all know even if found guilty no one will do any time. It’s just a formality and politics.
Hey Jay, after your criminal case is adjudicated go apply at Huntington Beach PD. I bet you’d go right to the top of the pile. Either that or become a mercenary in Afghanistan where American law doesn’t apply.
He already got hired in Idaho. He’s going to work with Mark Fuhrman. He starts after the trial is over. Then he will have 3 pensions when he turns 50.
Los Zetas would take Cici too!! They’ll teach Cici how to sew faces onto soccer balls!!
Since that one-eyed varmint lives in La Mirada, I’m certain the LACS Norwalk-LaMirada department with all of their rogue cops would love to hire Jay.
Let’s hope not for the good people of La Mirada.
Maybe Jay can get a security job protecting OCTOMOM!
Jay will need to rebuild his self-esteem after all this is all over.
A good starting point would be to work some donkey acts in the Tijuana clubs.
Dedicated to Jay — we love you and will always be there for you ! — Lisa
friendsforjay.org
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We were made to be courageous
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But now weâre watchers on the sidelines
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You were made for so much more
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âWe will serve the Lordâ
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And weâre taking back the fight
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Is on our knees with lifted hands
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Seek justice, love mercy
Walk humbly with your God
In the war of the mind I will make my stand
In the battle of the heart and the battle of the hand
I just threw up in my f’n mouth.
Thou shall not kill
Anyone that ugly should be forced to work outside the city at night so they don’t frighten small children. Lisa, you might want to consider having your gene pool vacuumed.
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One less sick individual that will EVER be patrolling the streets again. 3 down, 3 to go. Plus the watch commander and whoever else tried to cover the murder up. I just read this quote from the Colorado shooting. Illustrates how decent, hardworking cops respond to a crisis:
“200 officers eventually showed up, many of them personally driving victims to the hospital.”
Perhaps FPD could take some lessons. With cops like Benjamin Lira collecting money to bail the murderers out of jail, Chief Sellers orchestrating a cover-up, and Hughes not showing any transparency or accountability for the murder, it makes me wonder why the decent cops in Fullerton would continue to work for force that is an organized crime syndicate.
1 of the other 3 migh go for the prior incident, not this incident. The other two are clear. Hampton will probably get a full medical retirement disability like Sellers and Wolfe. I hear Ramos might too for his elbow.
Hampton is now a Brady cop. No use to anyone. Never was.
He was never a Brady cop..You fool. Why don’t you make u more lies, you are on a roll.
Haha. Apparently you forgot the Veth Mam case where Hampton testified Mam had attacked a cop which was later proven untrue, and in any case impossible for Hampton to know since when he rolled up Mam was a bystander recording the incident on his phone.
That lie almost sent an innocent man to jail.
That doesn’t make him a Brady cop. R.I. what’s up? I think someone stole your moniker. Or did you go to the dark side.
Even I caught that, Rocky Raccoon. Caffeine!
A Brady cop is someone whose background must be revealed in discovery. When Mardirossian gets through with Hampton he’ll be signing soprano in the girl’s choir. And it’ll be public record. The DA would never put that sack o’ crap on the stand again. He’s already on their “Brady list.” Susan Kang told me so.
I already knew Hampton was a Brady cop. No Brady cop should ever do patrol. Anything happens the city is at risk of a large lawsuit. Dump the Chumps! If he cannot bring himself to do the dumping, Acting Chief Hughes needs to GO!
Brandon, the emphasis on policing (some, not all) has become too militarized, too focused on “fear” of the community than anything else. Community policing is just a novelty idea and it’s only a ploy tactic to present to the community. Honestly, there is no such thing as community policing, other than idea. Police officers get off on the adrenaline rushes and literally some cannot wait until the “big call” of the night. Reaching out to the community, ensuring safety measures, etc. is a nuisance to them and could care less. Police departments have adopted this bad ass attitude and is becoming more and more detached from society. The ignorant higher ups, hire more ignorant assholes every single day. We don’t live in an uncivilized society, however, we are becoming more and more a police nation each day. The Officer’s Bill of Rights needs to be changed, big time. TOOO much protection and personal accountability. I believe society’s/city council need to be more involved with police departments so they can keep a watchful eye on what’s going on. It’s the only way to keep so much power honest. Transparency, accountability, and public knowledge has to become more prevalent or else the police departments will continue to police their own, protect their own more, and get to the point where nothing or no one will be able to penetrate their protection. The citizens have the right to know exactly what is going on with the protection of their community.
Problem is that Fullerton is proving to citizens, lawmakers, and politicians why it is so important. Easy in a case like this just to fire everyone for fun. Even responders who did nothing wrong. Pobar proved its importance and value. It’s not going anywhere.
POBAR proved its value to the cop unions and their thugs. It’s not going anywhere – yet.
All you have to do is educate the public about POBOR and they will vote to repeal it. There is no reason to give police the right to protect themselves from prosecution more than any other citizen. They cannot police themselves and the community must have authority over them and access to all of their professional records. The more police abuse their authority the more the public see it and they will use electoral means to strip cops of these “rights.”
Haha POBAR you are just as humorous as the real POBAR. Tell me what responder of the Kelly Thomas case did everything right? Nobody. And if you think that responders are being fired just for “fun” then you are crazy in the head. They were fired for right reason, not for “fun.” Officers need to be held accountable for their actions and not be able to hide behind a badge and a made up Bill of Rights. I believe, but correct me if I’m wrong, a persons constitutional rights (you know the real BIll of Rights and the rest of the Amendments) should be protected FIRST before an officer’s made up bill of rights.
POBAR is nothing more than a gaggle of lawyers who have designs on enriching themselves at the expense of democracy.
What I personally think that law enforcement needs is to have their own court of justice similar to the Uniform Code of Military Justice that exists for those in the armed forces.
For example, this Air Force Drill Instructor who sexually assaulted 10 female recruits, is going to prison for 20 years.
What sentence did ex-Fullerton Police Officer Albert Rincon get for sexually assaulting residents while in uniform?
Zero.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sex-scandal-20120722,0,1209634.story
very little personal accountability*
Perhaps FPD could take some lessons. With cops like Benjamin Lira collecting money to bail the murderers out of jail, Chief Sellers orchestrating a cover-up, and Hughes not showing any transparency or accountability for the murder, it makes me wonder why the decent cops in Fullerton would continue to work for force that is an organized crime syndicate.
Lira is Tony’s lap dog
This is for you Ron Thomas — why did you abandon your son to live on the streets? Why wasn’t he at your home celebrating the July 4th holiday with family? Maybe he should have been at a family BBQ instead of out lifting door handles in parking lots. You should name yourself in your lawsuit — YOU are the main reason your shitbag adopted son is DEAD.
Like a broken fucking record. Bitch.
Lisa, how Godlike of you. You kiss your mother with that mouth? tsk tsk tsk.
In appropriate and unhelpful to your cause Lisa. This has been well covered and defined.
Ahh, Lisa my dear, there you are. Where have you been? I didn’t much care for your alter-ego FPD Defender, they should let you out in the light more often.
Remember our first date, that balmy night in that Italian bistro out by the lettuce fields. You in your halter top and lip gloss, me with my codpiece and fanny pack. Sharing a box of Franzia out on the patio, gazing into each others eyes. The sound of moths disintegrating in the bug light – no, wait, what is that? the bug light burned out months ago – oh, it’s your brother, grilling us up some steaks with his taser. Very thoughtful, that one. Let us return to happier times, we can drive off into the sunset in my Yugo, and the world will be as one.
I forgot to add — EIGHT LAWFUL COMMANDS. That’s the number of police commands your son willfully disobeyed during his arrest. Since you were once a deputy-trainee (for a few weeks before you were kicked out of the academy for domestic violence) you should have at least raised him to be law abiding.
Of course, you’ve lied and said that you are a “retired” sheriff’s deputy, which is BS. Just like you said you were an “Army Ranger”, when really you were just a shitbag leg grunt.
Wow Lisa, I always thought people with your mindset had the utmost respect for people who served our armed forces.
…Wow.
Lisa, you ignorant slut!
After Jay gets his little spanking from the legal justice system, there is something called karma and street justice.
Don’t let me and a few others catch him messing around in La Mirada.
He is the easiest to spot, with his f@*%d up eye and all.
I know some crazy convicts that love doing a-holes and eye-holes.
Just sayin’.
Here’s a lawful command: YOU’RE FIRED.
Obey.
I may share that comment with the “grunts” I know (Marines and Army); after all, if it’s posted here, by your name, it’s pretty much public info
Oh yes, Ron stretches the truth some. Oh you forgot instructor at UCSD..that didn’t pan out either.
Dearest Lisa, my love, my muse, my soul mate. I must admit, I find your strident defense of your brother quite admirable, and more than just a little arousing. I’m going to have to go cool off in one of the canals that run behind the diner, like we did that fateful night.
Remember how we sat along the banks, soaking our feet in the murky water, not at all concerned by the pesticide runoff from the fields? Tipping the box to get the last drops of that Libation of Love, smoking some of that ragweed that you love so much – yes, you can let your brother know, I do have a card from my doctor for that. Oh, how the world was our oyster, and the universe was in perfect alignment.
Dog and Lisa:
EIGHT LAWFUL TURDS is what I cleaned that night in the canal behind the diner-I also picked up a few Eskimo Pie wrappers, some wine bottles and a DAR with the initials JC on it, from the field. Kids these days!
MRD, how would you like to write for us? I detect a delightfully twisted mind at work.
I should think that something could be arranged, just get a hold of my agent – SonofParisHiltonsDog.
Must be hard for Lisa to know her family neglected poor, demented Jay after he got shot. If only someone had forced him to get help, an innocent man might still be alive today. Oh wait, he’s a grown man and they could not force him, however mentally unstable, dangerous, and full of bitterness, to seek the psychiatric help he so desperately needed. So instead he bashed in the skull of a subdued, 135lb, mentally ill man for kicks.
Too bad Jay didn’t take out all angst on his slutbag sister Lisa.
There would be one good innocent homeless man alive today, one bitch buried and one psychopathic unqualified one-eyed cop in San Quentin.
LISA IS THE TYPE OF BITCH THAT BEAT ON JAY.
JAY IS A PUSSY, AND GETS BEAT BY HIS WIFE. EVEN HIS KIDS DONT RESPECT HIS SORRY ASS, THATS WHY HE HAD TO TAKE IT OUT ON KELLY
CUZ HE IS A WITTLE GIRRLLY PRINCESS
I wonder if Jay’s stepfather still thinks that Jay would be “less of a man” if he didn’t go back to being a police officer?
text from NBC interview…
25-year old Jay Cicinelli (was a rookie L.A. cop when he was shot in the face and lost his left eye) walks outside. Photo of Jay in his police uniform seen. 12-96 clips of police at the scene of Cicinelli’s shooting in L.A. at night, ambulance racing to the shooting scene, and Jay on stretcher seen. In interview Jay recalls looking down the barrel of the gun. In interview Jay’s wife, Trina Cicinelli, says she thought Jay’s life dream of being a police officer was over. Photo of Jay with his police officer brother seen. Photo of Jay’s police officer father, John Huelsman, seen. In interview Huelsman says he can’t stop Jay from his dream because if he did Jay would be less of a man and he would less of a father. Lothian reports on camera outside in L.A. Jay says he wanted to get back on the streets and says that’s what healed him. Jay firing gun at shooting range seen. Jay says he wants to be a cop now more than before he was shot. Jay speaks at podium at outdoor press conference as Trina stands beside him. Insert of police department document with enlarged excerpts “permanent status inquiry” seen. L.A. police chief Bernard Parks walks through corridor. In interview Parks says it’s their judgement in the final analysis that he could be detrimental to himself, his partner or someone else in the community. In interview Jay’s attorney Lawrence Hanna says the L.A.P.D. can’t violate federal law and notes the disability act states that if you can do the job then they have to keep you. In outdoor interview L.A. police officer says he would gladly work with Jay. Driveway entrance to police station, where Jay is working desk duty, seen. Jay walking outdoors seen in slow-motion. Photo of Jay in police uniform seen. Jay says he will not resign, and adds he doesn’t want a city job. Jay walking through shooting range seen as in vo Jay says he didn’t get hired by the city of Los Angeles to do anything other than being a police officer and Lothian closes in vo from L.A.
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112930124_s24.do
And now his poor children must pay the price of daddy not getting mental help. Any normal person would leave a man after he murdered someone in cold-blood, but this crazy woman feels trashing the victim is a better solution. Poor kids will be stuck in a house with sick parents until they haul ass out of there at 18.
OC. You bring up a lot of good points regarding the need for accountability and citizen involvement. I think requiring all cops to get a four year degree would help also. Weed out the cops like Cicinelli, Ramos, Wolfe, etc., who are either too ignorant, too mentally unstable, too full of testosterone, or all of the above, to pass college material classes. I’m not saying all cops are dumb. But I would bet my ass none of the aforementioned guys holds any type of degree.
I’m with you Brandon. One look at all six of those goons, Goodbitch & Coffman and one can easily see that FPD has some pretty low standards, if any. The result, an innocent helpless man beaten to death and one who died in the jail under very suspicious circumstances. God only knows what other horrible secrets the FPD has thanks to POBAR.
Sgt Goodbar, errr Lt. Goodbar, errr Lt. Andy is a college graduate. And look at how much he looks like a poster boy for Dunkin Donuts! And look at those lies he told to cover the asses of the FPD. So college graduate does not make a better cop, it depends on if they take classes in ethics, sociology, abnormal psychology instead of the usual courses in Police Science, Forensics, and military tactics.
Tuco,
I’m starting to think that there’s a college that these Public Information Officer’s for the police departments attend.
Check out the PIO for Anaheim on this URL. He looks like Andrew Goodrich’s college clone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqzoKY1CyAg
@2:10 in the tape.
I’m using my friend’s computer to write this because she has told me she likes to comment on here. To all of you who held up traffic today on La Palma-my middle finger goes up RIGHT. NOW!
How dare you inconvenience me just because an unarmed innocent man was summarily executed by cops. I was 10 minutes late to my hair salon appointment because of you! I just can’t believe the lack of consideration. Fuck you all very much.
PS. Its all about me!
No, she was late seeing me and I wish she wouldn’t have written the middle finger part. In the future, she can do that now on her own computer.
I saw that too. Fat head, no neck, puffy face, dyed in the wool liar.
Amazing. Just amazing. Sad too.
No kidding Disgusted. You’d think guys that were getting paid 50-200K a year would be held to higher standards. And the fact that none of the FPD officers have broken rank to talk about all of the rapes, robberies, murders, etc., their brethren have committed, or left the force in disgust, makes me wonder if many of them even believe this type of behavior is acceptable.
It’s quite the profession to have, with only a G.E.D. as the requirement. I’m not saying going to college and getting a degree makes you smarter, however, it sure does give exposure to different people, arguments, and information. I can’t see how requiring a degree would be a negative?? I mean wouldn’t departments want officers who are more diplomatic, understanding of the liability, and have rationalize their decisions? Or maybe having officers like that would make the older officers jealous. You know the thuggish/robotic-do as I say officers. Fullerton has proven (beyond belief) that they are one corrupted police department. Yet, I feel bad because they are the only ones who have gotten caught. It’s apparent that a more hands on approach by city council or an oversight committee is completely necessary…maybe even required. It would be nice to be able to revise the POBAR and then have each department answer to and be supervised by an EDUCATED, DIPLOMATIC committee of some sorts.
It figures the Cicinelli family are self-righteous, religious hypocrites. Too bad their mentally unstable son/brother decided to take his version of “eye for an eye” justice on an innocent man. Maybe Tricia can teach children how Jesus condones murder as long as it’s done in the name of the law.
Justice For Kelly Thomas…
It would be nice if there was a protest by Kelly’s Army outside of the school that is considering employing Mrs. Cicinelli. I bet some parents would be interested to know the vile filth she spews on here. Maybe FFFF can secretly confirm to RT if in fact she has made disparaging comments regarding Kelly Thomas/The Thomas family on here. While I know it’s important to respect anonymity, and protect free speech, I think letting a potentially mentally imbalanced woman who condones murder, teach children is not only morally reprehensible, but possibly dangerous. Who’s to say she wouldn’t have a lesson on how to bash in a skull for “criminals” who refuse to obey “eight lawful commands.”
Lots of cops kids go there. Best of luck!
Again Brandon you are believing Bs again. Remember at least half of what you read here is opinions and not facts.
What do you mean by “considering” employing Mrs. Cicinelli?
Brandon, can you answere why you say the school is considering employing Mrs. Cicinelli?
Damn, it only took JD 18 hours to figure out there are two “o’s” in raccoon. I’m writing to Paul McCartney’s lawyers to see about possible copyright infringement. lol. What a disgrace to a great song.
lisa is a slag, 8 lawfull comands!!!!! STFU ALLREADY, if kelly was such a threat, why just not shoot him dead!! OH but the pigs thought it would be more fun to beat him like a pinata.
JAY BIRD IS GOING TO JAIL, AND IS CERTAINLY NOT EVER GOING TO BE A OFFICER EVER AGAIN!!!
DEAL WITH IT
THAT FOOL ONLY GOT HIRED BY FPD CUZ OF MCKINLEY, AND HIS ASS IS TOAST
I used to work at Whittier Christian – specifically the campus where Trina has been hired to work at – and I can tell you that Jay’s type will be welcomed and supported there. There are a couple people on staff who truly believe and practice the things that Jesus teaches, but by and large they are the type that will see Kelly as some sort of moral reprobate because of his illness and Jay as the unfairly prosecuted saint who was just tryin’ to keep us good Christians safe.
I wonder if the congregants that go to Whittier Christian have seen the tape of Jay “doing the Lord’s work” to keep us safe?
Um….. Never mind.
For the most part, they’re the sort that stick their heads in the sand and will echo Lisa/Trina’s talking points about “lawful commands” and “he should have just cooperated.” Nevermind that the commands were neither lawful nor should a citizen ever be expected to submit to an illegal arrest, search, etc. These are the same sort that will invoke constitutional jibber-jabber when trying to convince other – and themselves – that we’re some sort of “Christian” nation. So no, these are not the sort of people that are going to watch the video. Its contents will force them to think critically about their worldview and that’s asking a bit too much of them.
Even though I don’t feel either Whittier Christian’s are great schools, I support their right (within reason) to hire whomever they want and for others to not harass them at work simply because they’re related to someone travelling through the criminal justice system. And I hate to burst your bubble, but we are historically a Judeo Christian nation and I personally hope we remain that way.
I’m a practicing Christian and find it insulting that you think we wouldn’t watch the video because we don’t want to think critically. I’ve watched the video as well as MANY of my Christian friends, who found it horrendous to see.
I’m sorry that you seem to be jaded about Christianity, MRC. We all go through that, but please don’t lump me or others into some one-sided pattern. Many Christians I know don’t fall into your category.
And yes, we can talk about how churches in the area handled talking about Kelly Thomas if you’d like. I wasn’t thrilled with it.
I honestly respect your views Kim, however the dark irony of a supposed Christian, like Officer Ciccinelli, bragging to his co-workers that he just beat a homeless and shirtless man’s face to hell, and then his wife going off to teach Sunday School when Ciccinelli loses his job, is not lost on me or others who have gotten used to seeing wolves like Ciccinelli hiding in sheep’s clothing at church.
I honestly respect your views also, T…. (cough! Fullerton Lover), but Trina Ciccinelli is not the issue here! Let me repeat that again-TRINA CICCINELLI IS NOT THE ISSUE. Leave her alone! The fact is, you are quite unaware. She’s not volunteering to teach Sunday School. This is a paying, 5-day a week gig that a woman is pulling in to help her family out. Yes, there are many wolves in sheeps clothing at many Christian churches. I see it, others see it, and it’s called out all the time. Christians are also repulsed by his actions but also believe in the judicial system in this country, which is the best in the world.
FOR ALL OF US O.C RESIDENTS IT IS TIME FOR A DISTRICT ATTY. ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE NOT BY POLICE UNIONS. AS FOR POLICE INVESTIGATING COPS WE KNPW HOW THAT WILL GO. OUR CURRENT D.A. IS GOING TO DO NOTHING UNLESS WE CONTINUE PUTTING PRESSURE ON HIM. ALL OF DECENT PEOPLE OF ORANGE COUNTY NEED TO SPEAK UP AND BE HEARD. I FOR ONE WILL GLADLY DO THAT UNTIL COMPLETE JUSTICE IS DONE. AT D.A. OFFICE AND FULLERTON POLICE DEPT AND ANYWHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. POLICE OFFICERS WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND THEY NEED TO BE HELD TO HIGHER STANDARDS. THEN BUSINESS AS USUAL…………….
The D.A is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He proves it time and time again. He protects his own. Have we forgotten his little “Lost Gun” mishap??
http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2011/08/05/the-da-the-lost-revolver-and-the-lieutenant-part-ii/91311/#more-91311
Thanks for the info on Whittier Christian MRC. I guess they have a right to hire whomever they want. I just feel bad for the children they brainwash. I agree about trying to convince themselves. They have managed to convince themselves that Kelly Thomas was the criminal, and Jay was innocent. But Kelly Thomas had no Felony convictions. We won’t be able to say that about Cicinelli for much longer. Kelly Thomas’s dad admitted that Kelly was volatile when he wasn’t on his meds. The Cicinelli family has offered no information on what meds Jay was taking and why he was off them at the time of his crime. I think the support for each man is the best illustration of what type of people they were and families they came from. Jay Cicinelli has the support of his wife, sister, step-dad, and a few cops who for all we know participated in the murder. Kelly Thomas has the support of thousands, with dozens of citizens claiming he was a kind, gentle soul. I have yet to hear any kind words about Jay, outside of his family. Even his fellow officers talked about him bragging about murdering Thomas and giving cops a bad name.
We had a great time celebrating you officialy losing your employment withpd your dreams are over when you are thrown behind bars your nightmare will be complete. Kelly, Kelly…..hear that get used to it for the rest of your miserable life
You keep posting your bullshit Emil is gonna hide cicis glass eye!
Speaking of adopted sons that shitstain housleman or houseman or whatever the hell his name is..the guy thats putting it to cicis mom is probobly the one responsible for dementing this family cicis biological dad took off when the going was good and never looked back. equivelent of a cult leader for a matriarch, the women are hypocritical religeous zealots, and a murdering one eyed beast chained up in the basement. Yikes!
Susan Kang has her head up T-Rack’s ass so much, she hallucinates.
…. when I saw Cici’s ugly puss staring out at me! What a hideous thing to see at night!
N
Like you can see no cared. That is one of my favorite beatle songs. I don’t think Paul would mind me using it. Go ahead write away. It looks like you have a lot of tme on you hands. Tony must pay you good to be on this blog all day. Cause you sure ain’t earning money being a shrink.
heard this one last night, what do you call ramos, cici, and wolf standing shoulder to shoulder—–an unemployment line. go get a job you bums!
Obviously the sarcasm was lost on you JD. And, I may spend the second most time on here and that would still be about eight hours a day less than you. LMAO @ Tony paying me. I’m on here because I care about my fellow human beings and am disgusted by the travesty of justice that has occurred so far in the handling of the Kelly Thomas case. Even though every cop defender on here will not admit it, the only reason all six officers are not facing murder charges, why Cicinelli had a small bail amount, and why the D.A. failed to charge him with 2nd degree murder is because they were thugs with badges. They are no better than the gangs, mafia, Taliban, etc. who brutalize innocent civilians.
Maybe I should write the reps of Dylan, Springsteen, Bono, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Ice-T, etc. instead and see if any of them know about the Kelly Thomas murder. All of them are passionate about social injustice and the last three all despise dirty pigs. It’s a long shot, but better than sitting around here wasting my time arguing with defenders of murderers like yourself.
I’m hardly jaded on Christianity, merely frustrated with how many American Christians practice what they claim to be their faith. I myself am a Christian, but I seem to have a different set of priorities than many of my “brethren.” And if you think we have been a nation steeped in the actual teachings of Christ and the early church, you need to reread our history and seriously think about what you said. You assume too much about me and about our country’s past/present…but that’s a different discussion for a different time. While there are many things about America that I love and cherish (I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else), there are some hard truths that we refuse to acknowledge – truths that have been brought to light by the killing of Mr. Thomas.
Trina Ciccinelli is part of the issue. Just as members of the Fullerton police department did nothing to intervene in Mr. Thomas’ alleged murder (or condemn the actions of the Ramos and Ciccinelli – even after they had been charged and fired in connection with his death), Trina Ciccinelli has done nothing to publicly come out and condemn the person that posts on here as Jay’s sister. The very least she could do is say that the person who comes on here and blasts the Thomas family routinely is an impostor. That would at least give her plausible deniability. I seriously doubt she is unaware of what has been said in her family’s name.
The point is that while Whittier Christian is free to hire whomever they wish (heck, they hired me at one point), there are considerations to be made about the type of image you want to project to the community you purport to serve. Again, they are free to hire whomever they wish, but we are also free to criticize and draw inferences about the sort of people they want teaching the children that go there.
Wolves-in-sheep’s-clothing called out all the time at churches? Hardly. These tend to become the most vocal and powerful elements of the “Christian” community. But this is not about that. It’s about whether or not someone whose husband is accused of contributing to the death of an unarmed, mentally ill person – and who has remained silent while her husband’s supporters have said terrible things about this person and their family – is morally fit to teach children when they have done nothing to publicly distance themselves from the ugly aspects of their situation. I would expect Trina to support her husband throughout this whole ordeal, but I would hope that she would have at least distanced herself from the ugly and terrible things being said by those who claim to be on her side.
This was supposed to be in reply to post #126.
Well said.
MRC, you sound a little jealous.
This is one Ugly Cop, What happened to his eye? Someone need to hit him in the head with a flashlight….
In fact, they are worse!
I can’t see any of the above examples such as gangs, mafia and Taliban doing what those thug FPD cops did to Kelly Thomas…
Go ahead you seem to have all the time in the world. I am sure those guys have seen the tape and are wondering what all the hoopla is about. I an sure all the black boys you mentioned have seen worst. In fact why don’t you get involved with Anaheim PD. See if they want to deal with another nut job. Join Marlena and Tony fight the cause.
“I an sure all the black boys you mentioned have seen worst.” [sic]
What could be worse than being unarmed, innocent and being bludgeoned in the face/eye, kicked, tasered, crushed and and suffocated until DEAD? And, what could be worse than being beaten to death while screaming in pain, calling the officers “Sir,” begging for mercy and begging for your dad and God to save you?? Rocky, you must be used to the torture and murder of innocent citizens; it doesn’t even phase you. Are you also used to Los Zetas beheadings with chainsaws? Sewing faces onto soccer balls?
JFA. You ever seen a raccoon run through the ghetto at night? They are mean looking. They refuse to comply most times. They jump fences, toss crack, hide guns, and bite. Sometimes the only option is to kill them. Just a few shots though. One to the back. Easier than the dramatic story you tell about the polar bear all the time.
It’s a close call Wrong. The only difference is those guys get hunted down by police/troops, thrown in prison, or executed. The FPD thugs are still free to terrorize innocent citizens, well three of them at least. I’m pretty sure the three who have been removed will not be picking too many fights w/o their guns and badges to hide behind. They don’t like fair fights.
All he had to do was stop fighting. Just cause he was screaming doesn’t mean cops are gonna stop. He was a burglary suspect with a big mouth.
@Rocky, Since when does the FPD murder a “burglary suspect with a big mouth” who is begging for mercy and saying that he is sorry and calling the officers “SIR”? Since when do you murder someone when you have no witness and no evidence of any felony being committed?
Drowning victims ALWAYS “fight” to breathe and people who are being crushed to death and who are having their ribs kicked in and their lung collapsed also ALWAYS “fight” to breathe, and to LIVE. I’d love to see you demonstrate for us how you would hold perfectly still while you are being tortured and murdered. Go ahead, prove to me how long you can hold still while you are being beaten and crushed to death. Better yet, let’s let your disabled son, or disabled daughter show us how to do it.
They took their guns and badges ..that is what they want you to think.
Hurricane, you are two ugly persons, outside and inside.
OMG for the last time… Lisa is not Trina and Trina is not Lisa!!!!!!!!
OMG for the last time… Lisa is not Jay’s sister and Jay’s sister is not Lisa!!!!!!!
Lisa who are you?
When Officer Cicinelli arrived at the scene, he did not know what he was going to find, perhaps dead officers.
If he had to beat his face all to hell, well… KT should have done what he was told.
Kelly was being held down and was helpless, unconscious and non-responsive (did not move or make a sound) when Cici beat his face all to hell. Cici should NOT have MURDERED an innocent, unarmed, unconscious man who was being held down. Ignorance is no excuse for murder.
No bulletproof vest wearing, armed, trained, officer was ever in fear for his life, nor ever in danger from a skinny, unarmed, disabled man who was bleeding profusely, suffocated, lying in a huge pool of blood, and who had been severely beaten TO DEATH. Maybe Cici should go and beat Kelly some more, just to be sure he’s good and dead. The cops are dangerous because they are afraid of their own shadows
Tony B. Why don’t you establish some sort of protocol for this blog. Those who would like to have a civil dialogue have left the blog due to the gross language. The stupidity can’t be helped but come on Tony clean it up for awhile. Geeeeesh.
So it was ok to resist, call officers names, be a jerk, then say I am sorry, let me go? It doesn’t work that way.
@Rocky, So, it’s ok to brutally torture and murder an innocent, unarmed, disabled man for calling you names? It doesn’t work that way.
All you want to hear is poor Kelly. You don’t want to hear the other side of the story. So stop crying to Tony and man up.
You keep saying torture? Where was the torture? Do you know what that word means? Four cops trying to hold Kelly down is not torture.
Yeah it’s incompetence. Four cops killing him trying to hold him down is criminal.
Fuck you.
@Rocky, Let’s strike you repeatedly with a baton, bash your head into the curb, choke you, kick you, break your ribs, collapse your lung, taser you repeatedly, knee drop on your throat, crush your throat, dogpile 1500 lbs on top of you, crush your thorax and suffocate you, strike you with batons and fists, and bash in your face and eye, causing massive bleeding and choking and of course, we won’t offer you any first aid. Then let’s see exactly what you’d like to call it….I’m betting you’ll call it exactly what it was – TORTURE and MURDER. Why don’t we give it a try on you? How about today?? I want to see if you can hold perfectly motionless and not make any sounds while we do our little “experiment” on you.
The only bashing into the curb was when KT fell because he was not obeying commands. That’s where the bloody nose came from, his own doing. At no time were one, two, or three officers on KT. His throat was not crushed. Read the reports dude! Broken ribs a result of compressionn from EMTs. Autopsy photos were clean.
KT’s poor physical health resulted in his death.. nothing more. Who caused his deteriorating physical condition? Not the officers!!!!!!!! KT was not taken care of. He needed medical attention in a bad way and did not get it. No one attended to his needs. No one. As a result, he died.
The officers should not take the heat for the lack of care to KT. Stuff happens whether it was the Thomas family or KT’s choice, stuff happens and possibly no one was to blame. But the Officers were not responsible! You need to get over it and go on with life. Oh yeah, and what about his heart condition?
Support The Fullerton Police!!!!!!!!!!
Here we go.
Poop, wipe, post, repeat. Same shit, different day.
For anyone actually coming across this for the first time (not likely), Anon II’s post above is completely fabricated. He/she is under the delusion that some sort of orchestrated campaign of denial will impact the jury pool.
Watch the video and figure it out for yourself. Don’t believe the poop coming out of this person. They do it daily, usually with some sort of libel attached.
Anonymous II says a lot of things, but they are simply incorrect. Maybe he is floating “trial balloons” for the defense attorneys! In any case, they are just plain wrong.
LOL
No, it is not wrong… YOU check it out for yourself. And if you don’t want to do that wait for the trial. You will see.
Brandon post #116 Who is Tricia?
Humm: I was just going by what was posted on the website for Whittier College.
Wondering: Tricia is Jay’s wife.