Pat McKinley’s Sick Dance. The Real Truth Is Now Out
Here’s the infamous clip of Fullerton City Councilman Pat McPension opining freely on CNN last summer, even though he claims now that he kept his mouth shut on orders of his attorney. It seems that Pat has a selective memory.
Take a close look at the video as he tries to spin his way out of the PR nightmare his gang had created for the City of Fullerton.
Pay particular attention to his reaction as he is asked if he has seen the video. He says no. Do you believe him? I don’t. Note how he believes it is “maybe two officers deeply involved;” how it’s not a flashlight, it’s a taser handle. I think he lied on national TV; I think he did see the video. He hired them. He trained them. He watched the video with them!
Also enjoy his slight pause as he reflects on the happy days of big, heavy flashlights “that were good.”
Jeezus, how many times did McKinley say “I don’t know,” or “I’m guessing.”
Totally clueless buffoon. I also think he lied. I believe he’s seen the video. I can’t wait for the depositions.
If they can’t show the video to the public, then why were the officers allowed to see it? So let me get this straight.. the officers don’t have to talk, can write their report based off the video, weren’t put on leave until a month later …what else am I missing??
No more marine just out of the corps.
Put them in the post office, the library, kinder care, but not out on the street anymore.
Why would cities want to hire marines who have been trained and ordered to kill, and put them on the street with our people?
You know that they need years of decompression before they can acclimate to civilian life!
Give them light duty jobs until they come to terms with the Horror Bush put them thru.
What fucking idiots! Using Marines as a means to an end after they have been shooting and killing, and possibly by mistake, foreign babies too!
Give the Marines a break! They have been ordered to do horrible things, and some of them struggle to forgive themselves and end up losing all sense of humanity.
Money does nothing to cure the problem.
Is it really necissary to disrespect the name of Jesus to make a point?
it’s necessary in this case cause i don’t think that jesus guy would have wanted this to happen
Game, set, match to Bushala.
Tons of great images to mine for the recall campaign.
Pat McKinley was bought and paid for by the FPOA. What else did we expect from him? He’s doing the job he was hired to do and he’s serving the people who got him where he is.
I hope the people of Fullerton are starting to understand that we all got what we deserve when we elected him.
Now it’s time to take that seat back. Pat, you’re fired.
Oops. Forgot to sign in. The above post was brought to you courtesy of yours truly, Gonzo, Esq.
McKinley says he “probably” hired those killer kops himself!
Almost seemed like he was bragging.
He is bragging! That’s his mucho macho John Wayne ego oozing from his cranium.
Grandpa McKinley needs to go and join Club Med!
He’s not bragging… he manned up and told the truth. Not saying he is a great guy, but he isn’t bragging… you can hear the remorse in his voice.
Remorse for what? Facial injuries aren’t fatal, you know.
They are not!!
Facial injuries might not be fatal but that gives everyone an idea of how many times Kelly was beaten, not only in his face but in every part of his body as well.
This is the most stupid explanation McKinley came up with and he thinks we, the public, are so stupid that we will consider that as an option to give the six BASTARDS the benefit of the doubt.
Are they still investigating? how much time do they need to make conclusions over a 15 minutes or so video?
It has been more than six weeks and we are getting impatient on this.
FPD we need answers.
http://www.kellythomasmovie.com
Facial injuries can be fatal if you take a one pound hammer and raise it up over your shoulder and strike someone in the face a as hard as you can a dozen times.
If you don’t believe me try it for yourself.
The Reason.TV documentary on Friends for Fullerton’s Future said that he suffocated on his own blood, so the repeated blows probably caused some swelling as well as lots of bleeding. Enough to cause him to suffocate over time.
Hey John Doe, your saying It’s OK for the police to beat your face in? It’s not life threatening or anything, so let them try it on you. Now won’t that be peachy keen.
John, your about as dumb as a tree stump.
Facial injuries in and of themselves are not fatal. It is the damage done in the skull, to the brain matter, nerves and other things that keep us alive. So, technically he is correct!
Fedup, Tell me, Have you had a personal experience with this? Have you had your face caved in? Did you live throught it?
Behonest, are you a doctor? Do you have a degree in medicine? Everseen someone come into the hospital that downed in their own vomit, blood, or choke on food?
Ever listen to Jimmy Hendricks?
Ever gamble on a fart and loose?
I have an idea. The OCRegister reported that the current Fullerton City Council needs to find a way to cut 1.7 million from the budget. I saw fire all the police and hire sherriffs. I’ll bet we save lots more than 1.7.
The savings would actually be closer to 10- 12 Million dollars per year.
Any one here still think they could do any worse than the FPD?
Fullerton City Officals and Council members are disgrace to community and should be FIRED by now. How did these crooks getting into high paid position with generous pension and betraying its citizens at a same time?
“United We Stand” and time to get rid of these crooks altogether. Vote your hearts out.
CNN is almost as bad as the OC Register writer. Count how many times the anchorwoman brought up the word ‘taser’ in her interview of McKinley.
Why watch the Communist News Network for news anyhow?
“I’m sure I hired them all.”
Pat McKinley forgot to mention JCincinelli’s knee drops to the nose and throat area… I wonder if a crushed windpipe might cause death… hmmm.
Knee drops to the throat??? Wow, how do you know that? As I understand it, the coroner said the larnyx was not crushed. You better hurry over to the FPD front desk and let then know what you know! HURRY!
What an odd time for McKinley to reminisce of the good ‘ol days when flashlights were bigger and heavier.
The ship is sinking. Why did McKinley grab the helm?
Everyone else was hiding below deck.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Abraham Lincoln
If one could screw up a criminal case by releasing evidence to the public, then wouldn’t we see criminals releasing evidence of themselves committing crimes every day?
Funny, it never happens. Perps hide evidence. The innocent clear their names as quickly as possible.
No. Because the video would show them committing the crimes and we would all say we were there to lock them up for life. Every activist on this blog would step upbsaying they were there if they saw an actual video of what occurred. Happens all the time especially in the activist world. They use lies and rumors to fuel interest in their causes. One of the biggest culprits are the Latino activists, which there are several on this blog.
Seriously, the more you write, the less credible each following word is.
If only you had read the post 2 up from yours.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Abraham Lincoln
Fool.
no charges filed…
If, as he suggested, just two of these men beat Kelly to death and the other 4 just stood there and let them do it…they are still responsible. Period. None of them, no matter the plea bargain, should be able to avoid jail time, wear a uniform, or collect a pension. Ever. They failed in their duty in the most appalling way possible.
And how long does it take to complete a tox screen and reach a conclusion on the cause of death? As long as it takes to tamper with the screening and wait and see if the public just lets this go and moves on, I’m guessing…
As long as the rest of the department in Fullerton stays silent and does not speak out against this type of behavior by their peers, none of them can be trusted.
Very well said.
I’m pretty certain that I will consistently have my video phone at the ready whenever I see any of them from this point forward.
Although I’m still not 100% certain to what extent the ones who were bystanders should be punished. I’d have to hear more details of the event. I’ve wondered if maybe one or two of them weren’t just in shock as many of the eyewitnesses most likely were.
Although, if that were the case, I would hope those few would get themselves separate lawyers and speak out against those who were most directly responsible.
If they were in shock, one would think the conversation the six had as they fled the scene, while they wrote (and re-wrote) their reports, and while they watched the video, would be enough to give Jay Cincinelli pause. It did not, as he is rumored to have been bragging about the murder in the police dept. locker room. This would indicate that little if anything was said to Cincinelli to let him know he stepped over the line.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
Very good point. Although, from what we’ve heard about him, I don’t know that he would care what any of his fellow officers said to him if they did speak out.
The witnesses are allowed to be in shock. The uniformed officers that are paid by the community to serve and protect do not have that luxury.
The simple fact is, after witnessing their co-workers commit a murder, these men did not step forward THAT night and report the ones who were responsible for figuratively pulling the trigger and cold-bloodedly murdering a man.
They went back to business as ususal, and were only taken off the job because they couln’t hide any longer. You can bet if this had not gotten as big as it has they would all just be going through each day like any other, on the streets, waiting for yet another moment to be thoroghly ineffective at their jobs.
If tony put this much effort in to his marriage he’d probably still be married!….
Oh, and by the way I have a bachelors degree not a GED
Thank you for your input- ex Mrs. Bushala. Go air your dirty laundry elsewhere.
Bushala is like a methadone clinic, good medicine for the addicts!!!
I am so f’g tired of hearing about the Coroner not being able to find a cause of death. When Kelly was removed from life support the NeuroSurgeon and other doctors know what caused him to go into a coma, which led to life support being removed. You have those highly qualified medical expert’s opinions
so the Coroner’s office can kiss everyone’s ass.
How come Tony failed to mention that Pat McKinley had a one eye cop paroling the streets?
Intelligent FBI and Colorado Sheriffs caught the 3 fugitive siblings in the “Dougherty Gang” within 3 days at more than 3,000 miles away today. Simply amazing. How did they do it? Release video tapes and pictures.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44091088/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
America and Fullerton are the Land of Justice.
No way! Everyone knows you can’t release video! The poster Obvious told me it will taint the witnesses and all the Mexican activists on blogs who watch the video will claim to have been there and witnessed it!
Pat McKinley is a disgrace to FBI Academy and its honest working Blue Agents.
Nice job Tony.
Not much new there, but I’m wondering that even if he hasn’t seen the tape, he has certainly spoken at length to many people who have. That’s why he is confident enough to say that 2 cops were directly involved (Cyclops and the black beast, my guess). So, the end result will be that the other four get suspended for another month, with pay. I highly doubt they will get acessory penalties, especially if one or more testify for the prosecutor. And, just for the fact that these two highly expendable killer cops have caused this event which brought the amount of negative publicity and possibly cost some of the higher ups their jobs, I don’t think they will be protected once it goes to trial. Then, if the feds get deeply involved and expose others such as the supervisor who told them to rewrite their reports and the supposed policy of falsely reporting a crime to get homeless people removed, then those two losers will be sacrificed for sure.
Please, who is the black beast? Which one of the six? I’ve tried to find info on the other ones who were there and only found an article where Manny Ramos handled a call for a woman who gave birth in her front yard. Why is the black beasta called the black beast? Thank you.
Maybe the big black cop that works for Fullerton PD? LOL
Oh. I’m not from the area, I’m in Oregon, so I don’t know much about the officers involved. Which one of the six is a big black cop? Why is it so hard to find pictures of these guys? Thanks for your help. Your community is doing a great thing.
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/excessive-force-victims-lawyer-up-against-fullerton-pd/
Are facial injuries enough to put someone in a coma?
Cranial injuries and lack of oxygen due to crushed windpipe are.
No, but getting tasered over 6 times will throw a person electolyte system off.
This guy made a totally stupid comment about the cuts on Kelly’s face:
Kelly prob died of blunt force trauma or bleeding of the brain. The cuts on his face are a mere sign of the much deeper problem: his brain.
McPension… what a dummy. That is how dumb you get when your entire career is government! Please dissuade your children from working in the government.
“Probably” died of blunt force trauma? I’m pretty sure the coroner could figure that out easily if it were the case. Sounds like you’ve got it figured out as well. You, too, better run over to the coroner’s office and let them know what they missed, Dr. Douche.
Mckinley said they are not- I did not know he was a medical expert.
So the DA won’t release the tape because he doesn’t want to taint potential witness testimony, according to Pat McKinley. Apparently Pat McKinley himself is not worried about tainting witness testimony by saying the things he said. (i.e. That it’s impossible for 6 men to beat up 1 man. (IT”S NOT ONLY POSSIBLE, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!) That facial injuries don’t cause death. (BUT THEY DO PUT ONE IN A COMA?)
Nice job Tony
I wish I had same leverage fighting Santa Ana Council, Police Chief and City Manager Paul Walters in the murder of Susie Young Kim in front of her 1 year old daughter.
I hate to say it Tony, but it looks like that the cops will walk.
There is so much unreasonable protectionism so the FBI will not help.
After all the FBI has its own Vaco, Ruby Ridge and other bloody massacres in their background.
Nothing will change until people will take second look at all enforcement agencies and strip them of their absolute powers.
We need to insist on our unalienable right to protect our self against the police by use of reasonable a force.
Please do not forget that we are sovereign people by way of constitution.
It’s too late. Too many people voted for big government. They either vote on how they “feel”, or they are on the dole. Now they own your ass. Suprise!
Yes, it just so happens that the face is attached to the head, which contains the brain. McKinley wouldn’t be familiar with this information though.
follow this of facebook. tell your friends and tell them to tell their friends. don’t rest!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Kelly-Thomas/202121386512154
The facial injuries were extreme enough to cause several broken facial bones per a statement from Kellys’ Dad in one of the videos of the peaceful protest.
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i was being a bit sarcastic with the comment above a ways. what i meant was: if the facial injuries were all kelly thomas had, which Pat McKinley suggests, how did he end up in a coma?
McKinley betrays a lack of integrity (at best) in his core.
if the facial injuries were all kelly thomas had, which Pat McKinley suggests, how did he end up in a coma?
So your finally beginning to get the coroners confusion
it takes a real medical mystery to baffle such mind as this guy. Normally hes so quick he could totally eat your lunch. He was head of his class in med school. Could have got a job anywhere if he’d wanted. He only works for Fullerton out of charity. That’s how big his heart is you morons should be ashamed!!!
If he cant figure out what killed that homeless junkie by now how can you pathetic Mexcin activists hope to understand? Kelly Thomas commited suicide by beating his head against the curb in a drug infuced rage. If the witnesses hadn’t been high on meth they would’nt have hallucinaded the cops beat him up. Get a live you loosers.
*life
*losers
*can’t
*Mexican
*induced
*wouldn’t
*hallucinated
Learn to spell right before calling people losers.
First of all, it is a fact that the COPS beat Kelly to death. So, enough of the “allegedly” crap. What may be uncertain (not to me or anyone that has common sense) is if the beating was warranted. I cannot fathom any reason why 5+ cops had to beat someone to get control of them. What is even sadder, is this sort of thing happens all the time. I could post videos of police harassment, excessive use of force all day long and never run out of material. Why isn’t this stuff reported every day by the media.
Cause the media are all librilz ecxept FOX who is fare and ballanced. FOX is the first who aired this story of Kelly thomas! THATS HOW FARE THEY ARE you dum libraltariun activist!!!
The COPS DID NOT BEAT KELLY THOMAS. STOP EATING METH AND TELLING LIES!!!!!
By looking at his body language, it DOES look like he lied when he said he didn’t see the tape.
All I can think is I hope I get jury duty, I hope I get jury duty.
All I can think is I hope I get jury duty, I hope I get jury duty.
You must be a Mexacun activist. Youll lie and say cops did it. FBI can trace your posts. Better go back to Mexaco NOW!
Feel the chill up your back? Were watching you right now.
Keep up the gud fight FPD. Youll win! No problemo!
hey Farva, stop playing on the internet and get back on patrol. Car ramrod is waiting….
Also the tazer was used 6 times for an extended period. There was someone where I live tazed ONCE and died. Also I don’t suppose the crushed windpipe would cause any problems!! Those officers are in big trouble and will get what they’ve got coming. They went too far and the citizens aren’t going to accept it. I am only hoping the tape hasn’t been altered.
There is no doubt that you will insist the tape was “altered” when it is released and shows nothing. Then, you’ll have something else to whine about for a few months.
Right. Everbody knows video cant be altered. Besides it would take months to do. The DA is to honest and impartial to do that anyway. Do you want some cheeze with your whine?
I read somewhere, a week or so ago, a quote or two from some other homeless folks who said they’d moved to some location other than Fullerton just before this happened. I got the impression that they felt that the cops had increased their level of harrassing the homeless in the area where this happened. Someone needs to demand to know whether FPD had, in fact, decided to increase their level of harrassment of the homeless population.
nobody has said anything about officer diCapprio. he is the officer assigned to the homeless and all the homeless know of him and have spoken to him at one time or another. He most certainly knew about Kelly. One homeless man reported to the PI that diCaprio pulled up along side him and said you better not be going over there! One taxi told of a officers saying to him near the train station tunnel, you can’t sleep over there, and kelly saying you can’t make me go I’m staying right here. When they reapeated themselves he said , Go ahead take me to
jail but I’m staying here.
officers saying to him near the train station tunnel, you can’t sleep over there, and kelly saying you can’t make me go I’m staying right here. When they reapeated themselves he said , Go ahead take me to
jail but I’m staying here.
You made that up. Liar!! Fullerton cops are really nice guys. Not like you. They would never Lie. Why don’t you believe the truth? Kelly Thomas died cause he was on drugs.
McPearson reminds me of my granddad to. He’s so kind.
Just like every city and every person in the Us. If homeless are hanging around my house or my business pissing n shitting n doing drugs, get them the hell away from here! I don’t care what u do to them just get them out of here. Common statement US wide. So maybe Fullerton did take that stance. Kudos to them. Homeless are gross and keep them away from here.
Really! Obviously is Right. Why dont Mexcan activists take homeless junkies home with them? All homeless people take drugs cause they have lots of welfare money too buy drugs and don’t have to pay for houses like us good people do. We don’t take drugs. We just take medicine to feel better and maybe a little booze to help the stress from paying taxes. Homeless junkies don’t pay taxes. They just collect welfare from our taxes and buy drugs. They are all bums because they want to be. Homeless people hate toilets and baths to. Thats why they are dirty and stink and shit and piss on businesss. Homeless people are gross. Cops should kill them ALL!!!
and why don’t all you Activists go away? You make my head hurt thinking. Now I have to go take more medicine.
Sellers went on sick leave for up to 30 days and now McKinnley is taking over the show. He seems to be proud of all the police involved that he hired. He makes a point about facial injuries that can heal. Nobody really knows whats under that white patch on his forehead except those of us who witnessed the but of a tazer hitting his head. It was a systematic stratigic striking to the same area. It seemed to me that it was almost like the supervisor who did this was making it appear as a fall. As far as no intentional murder. I don’t believe I can be certain of that. He certainly may have had a motive. After all someone did make an unsuccesful attempt on his his life early in his career. He sort of reminds me of captain Ahab of Moby Dick .
you are correct, I knew one eye had a literary counter-part
Conspiracy. yes. Hope we see McGansta on the stand under oath to watch him lie re. Tape!!!
He is not too old for San Quentin.
I have a feeling he has no problem with lying, under oath or otherwise.
All I can say is- I hope Ron Thomas has an attorney by now and that he is a damn good one with a huge staff.
Everyday just adds more and more B.S. by all of the OC agencies and governing bodies.
Medical Doctors sign death reports every day and furnish a cause of death in that report if a person dies while in their care. The Coroner then takes that cause of death and rubber stamps the report and that is the official cause of death. The trauma doctors, neurologists and others involved will trump the coroner on any determined cause of death. the Coroner is really just a stupid formality in this case IMHO.
call the City Council: (714) 738-6311
Sellers went on sick leave? Source please.
i already said that
Get your facts right BOZO.
#70 by Johnny Donut on August 10, 2011
Sellers went on sick leave? Source please.
Every activist on this blog would step upbsaying they were there if they saw an actual video of what occurred. Happens all the time especially in the activist world.
They use lies and rumors to fuel interest in their causes.
One of the biggest culprits are the Latino activists,
which there are several on this blog.
Sources please.
oh, the source……
http://www.theliberaloc.com/2011/08/10/fullerton-police-chief-to-take-medical-leave/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit
Expected. I said it before. He’s eligible to retire already. Now he will just get 50% tax free as well. He thanks everyone now as he rides to his a wyoming ranch.
Great post- have not seen it in other media
You mean the liberal oc is finally writing about this. Hell, that only took five weeks.
#59 Anonymous
My source was a reporter for ABC News who called me. I didn’t know about it.
Tony did great!!! Keep up the great work FFFF.
The only scenario where the video doesn’t need to be released is one where these thugs are convicted without it.
I just heard Sellers took an indefinate medical…
Confirmed. Sellers is on medical leave.
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FPD says Chief Mike Sellers on indefinite medical leave. Has been under fire since Thomas beating. http://t.co/NKBCCHt #kellythomas
This is why so many have extreme disdain for public sector workers. The guy slides on out on “medical leave” and as such will be eligible for 50% of his generous pension tax-free.
THAT shouldn’t be able to happen.
I agree.
McKinley threw Sellers under the bus when he said he (McKinley) would have suspended all involved right away. Wow- I had no idea McKinley was so brutal and heartless. Sellers inherits McKinley’s mess, gets crucified for it while McKinley watches and now McKinley sticks the old knife in the back. Time to man up McKinley and start owning responsibility for this. Looks like a cold blooded reptile.
Justice4kelly: Your brain only has one speed… slow. If McKinley agreed with the way Sellers handled it, you’d whine. He differs with Sellers and you say he stabbed him in the back. If he says nothing, you scream conspiracy. Just admit it; you want to bitch and bark about anything anyone in the city government says.
Mac did not stab Sellout in the back. They had already talked it over before the CNN interview and agreed Sellout couldn’t be touched if he took the medical leave, and Mac gets off the hook. Likely they had this planned from July 6th. Justice is too stupid to understand how the real would works, like you and me do. We are realists, not idealists. you tell’em, My Ass! pffffft
Have you seen Kelly Thomas? The quiet homeless guy?
Don’t you think that’s a little bit too much heat to bring down, maybe? Even for this town?
Never underestimate Fullerton. People get mugged coming home from work every day of the week. Sometimes… sometimes things just go bad.
j. quall Huh?can you elaborate
Something in the water in Fullerton. Like these guys are all pea brained bumbling cops from a 1950’s tv show.
TV show writers couldn’t even come up with a script like this.
disgusting, just disgusting, mckinley that is, hes goin down, oh hes goin down good, sellers too
Get this POS TOOL the hell out of Fullerton ASAP This xcop is clueless
Tony great work way to go ” murder” is what is/was no brainer
Thanks for being on point
On point? Tony Cro-Magnon Bullshitta stammered like the caveman he is. Totally out of his element.
I personally think that Tony has done the citizens of Fullerton a great service and has shown us more moral turpitude then I’ve ever seen out of any city councilman or policeman I’ve met here in Fullerton. Great job Tony and I know that my children are even proud of you for standing up to these bullies once and for all. I had never met Tony before all of this happened to the Thomas’s, however now I hope he never goes away! I like having neighbors like Tony!
Tony? A Cro-Magnon? At least his knuckles don’t drag the ground like the FPD cowards.
McKinley needs to RESIGN now who is now an idiot that babbles and an embarrassment to Fullerton!
??? Try not to blog when you’re drunk.
J.quall: We’re talking about police beating a man to death, not a mugging going home from work. People, especially those in public service, have to be held responsible. Amazing how blase you are about it all.
He’s quoting a Batman movie.
McKinley is a liar and must be called out at the next Coucil meeting. He is an arrogant piece of human garbage that supported this type of behavior in the FPD
McKinley is a liar and must be called out at the next Coucil meeting.
Looking forward to reading ’bout that. Make it so, Number One!
there should be an investigation on how the one eye cop got hired if he cant pass the eye examination. the cover up continues
McPension is an absolute buffoon. I’m looking forward to this recall campaign.
I thought Jones was an idiot until I saw this interview why didn’t he ask chief disability why it took so long to take action against the 6 murderers he admits that he would have taken action sooner does this arrogant punk really think “civilians” are that stupid
Tony Bushala is a hero for exposing our town’s corruption, cronyism, kickbacks and now murder of a disabled, homeless man. Fullerton councilman McKinley, our elected official who has vowed to represent and protect the interests and well-being of Fullerton’s residents and business owners,insists he is impotent when it concerns the city of fullerton’s police department. McKinley best comment is after the FPD murdered Kelly thomas, these same officers still patrolled our streets for a month before put on paid leave because the FPD did not immediately recognize the gravity of the crime these officers committed on Kelly Thomas;what a lame excuse.
Fullerton- It’s my kind of town. The powers that be created the perfect storm for this human tragedy of epic proportions. What’s the recipe for disaster?
Put in about 100 drinking establishments within a 3 block downtown area that brings in college students, heavy metal punks, gang bangers add a heavy handed police department headed by a guy (McKinley) who was creating a mini LAPD and filling it with LAPD castaways, throw in a growing homeless population and a major transit hub that dumps a steady stream of drifters and mentally disabled into the middle of it and a city council that is in a circle jerk with the bar owners and P.D that encourages a culture of police heavyhandedness to protect tax revenues, ongoing corruption with no consequences (remember when they were caught shortening the yellow phase on traffic signals to increase red light camera violations?). If a top to bottom house cleaning is not done here- starting with the city council) this unacceptable B.S. will self perpetuate. While Kelly’s death is tragic beyond words, let’s hope that some good will eventually rise out of the ashes of this travesty.
Some good points here… This would be a good to read for next city council meeting during comments.
It is interesting that P Mac mentioned that two officers would likely be charged rather than the six present. This was the same information suggested on another blog site by a porported FPD officer involved. Hmmm….. sounds like a thought out plan about who would be thrown under the bus….
what blog site?
Stupid S##T Mckinley! Bein from a Trauma back-ground,I can tell you When you knee-drop someone in the nose and throat,You crush their windpipe,and along with the blood they are swallowing “THEY Can”t BREATHE”! When the Officer crushed his wind-pipe,He went into respiratory arrest,then Cardiac arrest and died!
I agree that what Bankhead and Jones created by removing CUP’s in 2002 was the beginning of the deterioration of downtown. Night clubs, bars, tattoo parlors, smoke shops and sex shops. No more bookstores. No more retail for the over-30 folks.
But the police are not protecting tax revenue–that downtown costs us taxpayers 1.6 million $$ a year over and above the tax revenue received from the bars.
I loved seeing the shifty eyed sweaty towel head getting his ass handed to him by the old Chief…Keep making shit up Tony your tiny bit of credibility is fading fast.
earth to dipshit, McKinley is on his way out, time to jump ship little sheep.
people when you read about this beating and all the fullerton residents outrage over the beating before the investigation is over. this kind of thing goes back a long time. we have turned our back on what goes on at our city. starting at the council level, and all the way down the ranks of our police department because of the low crime, we have been turning our head the other way because we feel safe. with the hard line the police take and(city council) the ones that are ex-police and have been on the council for many years. the ones from the sixties that beat the anti-war protesters at hill creast park by hand cuffing the hippies to trees and taking turns beating them with there night sticks. this has started a long time ago. and has boiled over to the point the citizens finally want to know why the police are out of control. we need to take back the city at the council level and start over to fix this problem. police are like anyone else, if they start out with hatred and like the violence they will use to much force, and the ones that don’t like violence and are concerned about the people of our city will use there training and most of the excess violence will stop. most of our officers are good men and women and can’t speak up about the problems they witness because if they do the other (bad) officers will make there life a living hell to the point of having to quit. Fullerton is a good city and family city. we need a leader with no political ties or ambitions to clean up the bad apples. And make sure there is no cover up, and everyone gets treated fair in our legal system.
And your point is?
And your point is?
I think the point of that message was that the author is a racist and proud of it. FPD?
@#91 Comment was meant for the “towel head” racist poster.
the old guard city council brought in a yes man chief from out of town when they had a over qualafied captain that worked his way up the ranks and was forced out because he wouldn’t do ther bidding( Greg Mays)
Are you kidding, Greg Mayes can do nothing but hold a beer mug correctly, at least for the first hour or so.
Greg Mays oversees detectives and “dicks” are known to be very racist, aggressive and corrupt.
double talk cop speak. They didn’t realize the gravity of the situation???? Really????
@90 – Wish I could find the blog site again… thought i found it through the justice 4 kelly site… maybe not.. Can anyone out there provide info? At one point the admin called out the porported officer using multiple sign in names…he suggested that officers out on leave were enjoying their time in a NB beach house…kept indicating that two might receive time but none of the others would.
That was me. We are all still here. What else can we do at this point? Just sit back and wait for it all to run the course.
I’m just curious. Based on McKinley’s statements it would be improper to show the video because eye witnesses would inadvertently recall what they saw on the tape rather than their own actual memory. Assuming he is correct, why on earth were the officers involved shown the tape repeatedly while preparing their reports.
Sounds like they want the officers to forget their actual memory and crate a story that comports with the tape. Meanwhile make any witness subject to being discredited if the remember something that does not exactly correlate with the tape. Its time for this double talk to end!
“the coroner can’t determine cause of death” – “blows to the face are not fatal” – I want to experiment on this guys face, i wan to give this old hate monger a baton crack to his face and then have the coroner not be able to determine the cause of death. Fullerton, you need to get mad, you need to look at who you are electing.
McKinley is the poster boy for age limits in city government. The makeup of the city council in no way truly represents our city. To bad more folks don’t vote.
All I have to say is karma and paybacks are coming back to the City of Fullerton corrupt officials and those corrupt on the PD also….they have got away with sweeping things under the carpet for years and finally they can’t do what they have always have done!!!! There finally is some justice!!!!
Justice? Slow down. 2 cops at most might face charges and you think this is some sweeping justice? Look at reality. It’s clear as day if you open your eyes.
Dang this guy knew.
WOW….Just watched the clip of McKinley talking to the CNN reporter…sorry but he is either suffering from dementia or thinks the public is stupid!!! Trust me he has seen the video and knows exactly all that is going on!!! He hired Jay C. as a favor for a commander @ LAPD….PATHETIC!!!! What a LIAR and it is wonderful that the city is asking a recall of the members of the city council who are former personnel of Fullerton PD!!! Who’s side do u think they are really for???? Don’t let them fool u!!! THEY ARE LIARS!!!!!
Chanel 4 is still showing the BS mugshots of Kelly. That is not Kelly!!!
You stupid dipshits. Chanel 4… You just showed two mug shots that are not Kelly (that is not him). Why would you do that??? The mug shots that Chanel 4 showed are of a 49 year old perp. arrested in Fullerton five yeas ago. Kelly was 37 years old when he was murdered. Get your shit together Channel 4.
Chanel 4 is still showing the BS mugshots of Kelly. That is not Kelly!!!
You stupid dipshits. Chanel 4… You just showed two mug shots that are not Kelly (that is not him). Why would you do that??? The mug shots that Chanel 4 showed are of a 49 year old perp. arrested in Fullerton five yeas ago. Kelly was 37 years old when he was murdered. Get your shit together Channel 4.
Channel 4 = FAIL
How about head, brain and neck injuries? Are those fatal? Idiot.
Wow! I didn’t know that McKinley also went to medical school!!!! I am a nurse for a maxillofacial surgeon and actually facial injuries can kill people if they are severe enough. Upon viewing the photo of Kelly while he is in the hospital it is clear his injuries are extreme, and his face is fractured (possibly even shattered) in multiple places. I showed the picture to the Dr. I work for and he was stunned and agreed that his facial injuries were severe. If they did enough damage to break his face….imagine what was happening to his brain with each hit. I’m sure McKinley’s couple of shiners in his lifetime pale in comparison. What an asshole!
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but those facial injuries are indicative of a closed head injury or injuries that are often fatal. Is McKinley a pathologist or medical examiner now? I was not aware that he went to medical school.
No, but McKinley says he took a couple of glancing blows when he was younger, so he knows how Kelly Thomas felt.
no no no, Pat clearly stated he had a woman’s shirt over his eyes or something of the sort.
What does McKinley mean that ‘you can’t get six guys beating on one guy’ or else they start beating each other (I had to listen twice)??? That’s the most clueless comment I’ve heard so far from him…it’s impossible…really? The next stupid comment was that you don’t die from facial injuries. How about shattered bones in the face and a cracked skull? I don’t know, somehow this guy seems to have led a pretty sheltered life.
,,, ABSOLUTLY DISGUSTING YOU ARE , “?:>!$##$:?
PIECE OF SHIT PAT MCKINLY ,,
FUCK YOU ,,,
YOU WORSE THAN A PIECE OF SHIT
PIECE OF SHIT PAT
The next Fullerton City Council meeting, open to the general public, is scheduled for next Tuesday at 5pm. BE THERE FOLKS!!
Once a lying cop, ALWAYS a lying cop!!!!!!!
OH ,, and ,, cant you just see the evil oozing from him,
im not a judge , but when you see these guys and girls , you can see that something is running them like a rotten evil scared puppeteer.
piece of shit pat YOU fail
fail
fail
fail
good job Mr Bushala
chxn
mckinley and his bitches , can come to my house and check my IP ALL THE WAY UP THEIR ASSES,
and because its not big enough for there stretched sodomized asses , then maybe they would like a size ten and a half shoved up their rotten swine corn holes.
piece of shit pat
and sell us out sellers ,
can come and get a piece anytime their coward heart feel the disire…
bring it bitches.
CHXN.SKRTCH
The coroner cannot determine the cause of death after an autopsy? What about the hospital that had him on life support for 5 days? What did they list as a reason for his demise…Natural Causes?
Excellent point, The question I am asking is WHAT was the specific “medical reason” the doctors allowed the family to take Kelly off life support?
Hey Orange County D.A. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS BEFORE WE DO IT FOR YOU!
What parent, with the means, has an adult child on the streets? I think he was a big pain to his dad and his father’s grief is delayed and compromised by relief that he’s no longer an issue for him. The inory is that he’s a conservative, retired law enforcement person; this all is really a cluster ef.
,,, um , he was a grown ass man , and was VERY HAPPY , AT times , living the life that he did.
and just like everyone else, you are happy in your suburban home , and you not happy , so just because he chose , to live where the wind took him , in no way , should be a death sentence by the bitches in blue , and their crime boss sell you out sellers.
viva your mom
chxn
Congratulations to Tony B for being selected judge and jury! He has publicly convicted all 6 Fullerton police officers and recommended their sentencing, without ever being presented a shread of evidence.
Was it really all 6? How do you know?
The Salem Witch Trial has now been extended to three members of the Fullerton city council that he doesn’t particularly like. Why not all 5? Why not throw Whitaker out too?
Wasn’t Shawn Nelson instrumental in the appointment of Chief Sellers? Let’s recall him too!
Wasn’t Chris Norby part of the city council? What reforms did he offer? Shouldn’t we recall him too?
Mob mentaility. Welcome to Selma.
I suspect you will spend much of the next 6 months defending the indefensible.
Good luck with that.
Selma? What do you know about Selma?
Your own boy Chief Cueball indicated that two were probably directly involved in the beatdown. He also said head shots are completely against policy. That makes it assault and battery. The guy is dead and that makes it homicide. T-Rack has said that those cops who stand around and watch are culpable too.
Not a shred of evidence?! Kelly’s face was shredded. And that’s the best evidence. He didn’t do that to himself.
MOB OF BLUE BITCHES SNEAKING AROUND TOWN FOR MANY YEARS , BEATING HARASSING , FRAMING , LYING ,
ETC ETC ETC , FOR many many many damaged lives.
rico suave
Quit acting like an immuture, crimminal, disrespectful jerk and you will never have any issues with those in blu!! You can leave town anytime you like and see if your treated differently somewhere else!!!
Bushala, you are as ignorant on TV as in person. Quit trying to make lemonade out od oranges. You may have started this site as a benifit to others but you have turned it into a site that promotes a us vs them mentality. More division and more hate. you need to get a life and make good on your so called desires to improve the City of Fullerton.
Just laughable. The us vs. them mentality is probably written in the FPD handbook somewhere. Actually all cops. Try asking a cop someday why he pulled you over and see his immediate contempt for you even speaking until spoken to. The comments from the FPD trolls on here are getting better every day.
Us versus them?
Hahahahaha!
Peddle that bullshit after you give up your lavish pay and benefits and your bill of rights nonsense.
Protect and serve has become fleece and pilfer.
Yeah, agreed Sean. It is just too bad that the roid rage and apparently less-than-stellar police academy education is starting to make themselves more evident with each passing day.
How did we end up with a one eyed cop in Fullerton? Are we so inferior that we should get the LAPD rejects? Doesn’t Fullerton have physical requirements for our Police such as peripheral vision? OR were some strings pulled and policies overlooked to hire this character?
Those police officers are busy collaborating their stories between them selves and their attorneys. Would you be out there after allegedly murdering a person? Or waiting in jail.
Depends on the evidence. Once they have evidence that someone actually “murdered” someone, they will make a huge media deal about it and arrest right away. If you killed someone and you were pointed out as the killer, you would be arrested right away. No one has a clue who did what yet. They will soon I think.
I love how all these guys keep talkin’ about wanting “a full investigation”, but none of them care to see the video of the crime taking place. What more is there to investigate when it’s all on video? Also, give me a shotgun and I bet I can give you a facial injury you can die from.
Tom Daly should replace this pig!!! He knows how to run a clean ship!!
Yeah…what’s up with that logic? They have found the c.o.d. from corpses buried for years. Another blast of co2 bull$hit from the “authorities.”
The CNN anchor absolutely nails McKinley @ 3:17 into the interview. The scowl he develops immediately after tells me that he understands completely the “gravity of the situation”.
The evidence so far… pictures. Suggests severe police brutality. If some of these “peace officers” are eventually deemed culpable in this incident. Can the taxpayers of Fullerton get their money back from all of this “paid leave” that they are collecting? Why aren’t these wonderful policemen on suspension with-out pay? In the real world that is how it would be.
#159 by Joe Sipowicz on August 11, 2011
Selma? What do you know about Selma?
Your own boy Chief Cueball indicated that two were probably directly involved in the beatdown. He also said head shots are completely against policy. That makes it assault and battery. The guy is dead and that makes it homicide. T-Rack has said that those cops who stand around and watch are culpable too.
Not a shred of evidence?! Kelly’s face was shredded. And that’s the best evidence. He didn’t do that to himself.
So the Chief says that 2 might be culpable. Unfortunately, the judge, jury and executioner has convicted all 6 on CNN.
Which is it?
I’m not trying to defend anything that happened. Someone cleary overreacted, and it led to the death of an unfortunate individual.
My point is to let the facts come out through DUE PROCESS. We are a nation of laws.
Sorry. I did a cut and paste, and it didn’t come out very good.
My comments come after Joe Sipowicz wrote “He didn’t do that to himself.”
How does one reply to a quote on this site?
The first step is to remove your head from your rectum.
Tony, thank you for living up to your reputation for well thought out dialogue.
Yer welcome.
It”s interesting how someone like the speed freek, Pot grower and smoker Mr. Bushala cares so much about a homeless man and yet can say that the holocaust never happened.
I would love for him to to prove me wrong and say, “Yes, I believe the holocaust happened.”
Holy Crap you guys are getting desperate!
Tony. I realize you are anti police and an activist. But do you ever recognize the good that police do in your city? Or even when they do good you find something bad about it? Just curious. You may but was just wondering if you are one of those activists blind to the other side of your focus.
Live in Fullerton and the FPD’s very behaviour makes you anti cop.
Thank you Tony, the Force is with you.
Of course the DA sees “no evidence”–they all crap through the same blanket, so why would the DA seek to actually pursue charges against these murderers? If the role was reversed however and it was citizens beating on the cops–you can bet your last dollar the citizens would not only be IN JAIL, they would also be CHARGED by the same DA who now “sees no evidence”….
Citizens don’t get put on “administrative leave”–cops do. Citizens don’t get to stay out of jail–cops do.
Cops can beat you and torture you and get away with it in this country. The citizens of this country are viewed by the cops as the enemy.
All of these are fact, pure and simple.
Anyone who questions excessive force by police is to you a ‘cop-hating activist.
It is disingenuous to make grotesque false accusations about someone you disagree with rather than sticking to the issue. Your problem is that you KNOW you can come up with no honest excuse for Kelly’s murder by heinously inhuman brutality by completely out of control rogue cop!, So, in a technique familiar to all totalitarian governments you try and shift focus to lies about any who oppose the horrors you and your kind commit on the populous in general and those who oppose your brutality specifically. It is EXACTLY like the Syrian government, Libyian government, and Iranian governments all do to maintain control in their countries. It may benefit you to go back to middle school and learn why the Founding Fathers of America opposed King George’s rule of the American colonies. It was not all because of heavy taxes. In fact, you might change your mind about Thomas’ death if you understood why America was founded on a Constitution and Bill of Rights that all Cops are sworn to protect and uphold. Or perhaps not. Why don’t you just change your handle to propaganda stooge for insane brutality for The Few? It would at least be honest.
Disagree. I admit force was used. From what I have seen, I think the force was valid for the threat. We will see in the end if I’m right. I think he died from heart failure. Zoom on his injury pic. I don’t think he has any broken bones. It’s iodine all over his face to make it look like more blood. We will see when the coroner decision comes out. So yes I can come up with an excuse. The rest of what you said is blah blah blah. xoxo
“Disagree. I admit force was used.”
That force was used has never been the question. That excessive force was used has been, and is what you just once again denied. “From what I have seen, I think the force was valid for the threat.” guess that clears THAT up. So,
From what you have seen: WHAT have you seen? What exactly was the ‘threat’ requiring Kelly Thomas to be tased SIX times? What? What did you see? I really and truly want to know WHAT threat you saw? What exactly was the ‘threat’ you saw requiring several fully armored and armed adult male police to continue striking with nightsticks, beating, and kicking Kelly Thomas after he was already subdued, face down, and handcuffed? Exactly what was the ‘threat’ you saw requiring a half dozen fully armored and armed adult male police to continue SMASHING an UNCONSCIOUS man’s FACE into the pavement? What ‘threat’ did you “see” that required the ‘officers’ (and I use that term loosely, since they have dishonored and disgraced their uniforms, their badges, their colleague, their famlies, and their oaths), to continue smashing the back of a HANDCUFFED UNCONSCIOUS man’s head into a solid concrete curb? What threat did you see to validate that? Pony up.
“We will see in the end if I’m right.”
I expect we will, but I certainly don’t expect you to have the HONOR to publicly retract your false statements on this board. Frankly I seriously doubt you are MAN enough to say anything honorable at all. You must know I’ve as low an opinion of you as I have of gangbangers, lower since in the name of defending law and justice you defend brutal soulless animals who have dishonored EVERYTHING they once claimed to stand for. As far as I am concerned if you are not one of them, you are certainly cut from the same cloth. You have no honor, you have no ethics, you are morally bankrupt, and you have no human decency. You have forfeited your very humanity and are no better than all the most violent cons in the worst prisons of the world. You have become what you once reviled. How does it feel to have joined the other side, to BE one of the badguys?
“I think he died from heart failure.”
That is perfectly possible. The human body is not designed to survive being tased six times continuously. But, if he did miraculously survive the tasings he surely drowned in his own blood from having his nose repeatedly smashed into the pavement, or he asphyxiated from having his windpipe crushed by an ‘officer”s’ (what an insult to all the good cops in America to call those filthy beasts officers), by a two-legged brute animal’s knee.
“Zoom on his injury pic. I don’t think he has any broken bones.”
Granted it is difficult to see through the flesh without an X-Ray, but after having heard the video tapes and the words of eye witnesses it is difficult to believe there were no broken bones in his face and head. Perhaps you could change your handle to Pollyanna?
“It’s iodine all over his face to make it look like more blood. You know son (or is it girl?), years ago I was in an accident with my wife. I saw her face when she was lying in the road. I saw her face in the emergency room. I saw her face for months as she recovered in the hospital after having her jaw wired back together, and I’ve seen her face every day since. I hope her face is the last thing I ever see in my life because I love the beautiful person inside that scared body. In any case, I happen to know a little about iodine and facial injuries. Your gross claims are insulting to my intelligence and to people everywhere who love truth and decency.
Somehow I seriously doubt the nurses put iodine all over Kelly Thomas’ face to, ‘make it look like more blood.” Are you claiming the hospital was involved in a conspiracy to make the Fullerton police look bad? You certainly aren’t too embarrassed to ask your readers to suspend ALL belief in reason and reality in order to believe your wildly imaginative stories.
“We will see when the coroner decision comes out.”
Yes, we will see when the puppet coroner’s (probably re-written as many times as the filed false police reports) report comes out. But, I expect the Thomas family will also subpoena the UNBIASED reports of doctors’ who treated the comatose Kelly in the hospital when the Thomasses file a civil suit. THEN the truth will out! Oh, that’s right. You think the hospital is involved in a conspiracy to make the police look bad. I almost forgot your hallucinations.
“So yes I can come up with an excuse.”
Let’s see. Didn’t I say: “Your problem is that you KNOW you can come up with no honest excuse for Kelly’s murder by heinously inhuman brutality by completely out of control rogue cop!”
Odd, you seem to have forgotten the HONEST part.
“The rest of what you said is blah blah blah” My apologies for writing above your reading level. So, requesting you refresh yourself with American history and what our country was founded FOR and ON is, “blah blah blah?” It is ironic that I once saw exactly those words written by a seventh grader. Is that the last grade you finished before dropping out? No wonder you have no concept of what America really stands for.
xoxo? I think not, sweetie pie,
maybe best save it for your jailhouse lover.
All the best anyway,
Xer
Powerful post, Xer for the win!
Government agencies ALL have leaders who protect their own. It’s referred to as the Good Ol’ Boy system. The success of any organization is hinged upon those who lead. ie. The USPS leadership failed to recognize the impact of the Internet, and failed to organize a dedicated parcel delivery infrastructure. They lost and the USPS will once again become another behemoth cost for us taxpayers to assume! Currently, UPS, FEDx & others make neighborhood deliveries profitable…whereas the USPS couldn’t.
Per McKinley “facial injuries are not life threatening…”. I mean Kelly was in a coma when admitted to the ER, obviously it wasn’t facial but severe injury to the brain that put Kelly there. Also he stated that witnesses “exagerated” what they viewed with thier own eyes during the this episode. Seems he is jumping the gun here considering that he didn’t even view the tapes. Had all witnesses already been interviewed before McKinley’s appearence on CNN? He is also admitted that he hired Cincinelli, an officer deemed unfit for duty in the LAPD because of having one eye. Great judgement here on McKinley’s part. McKinley stated that ONLY two officers were involved in this “thing”, and that 6 officers couldn’t have possibly been involved in the beating as they would be beating each other due to lack of space. This last excuse is pretty lame, 100 men could very easily beat a 135lb man into a coma, or death, if they did so sequentially. If McKinley is the best that Fullerton’s powers have to put the spin on the beating , then the city is in a pretty pathetic state of affairs. That the Coroner couldn’t come up with a cause of death seems very fishy.
“You could crack a skull in no time with those big heavy flashlights. Good times, Good times”
Sadistic, sick bastard
Memories of the days when it wasn’t a crime to beat women and children right in the street.
You can’t believe any of these pigs. They lie on cue. Pull the string the mouth opens up with one lie after another. You must assume they are lying as soon as they start talking. You can only believe what they say with documented proof that your eyes can see. And even then you must remain skeptical.
The people in Fullerton are very stupid they let these animals abuse them and will still keep them in power and beef up their paychecks and weep about it. These sociopaths publicly executed a mental case with a dozen cameras recording away and the people in this city do nothing but cry about it. HA HA HA
They will continue to steal your tax money and fill their purses and LAUGH at you as you sob and let them shit on you. HE HE HE
You again McKinley?…Evil Empire Enabler.
Geez, this really is a sick, lying bastard.
Clinically, I’d say he is a sack of pig dung.
Now that we have much more information about the brutal murder and the lies are starting to get exposed – is it possible to have Dr. Reinhold Ott back for more psychoanalytical analyses?
I suggest the subject line be: The psychological anatomy of paid authoritarian murderers.
Being a German, Dr. Ott has probably done lots of research on this topic and could knock out an analysis in an hour or less.
MERIJOE..please call me..
Yes, the video looks and sounds bad for the officers, really bad.
Still, after examining the video, I’m troubled with some descriptions in the media.
• • •
Perhaps I’ve seen too many movies.
When I read that officer Manuel Ramos pulled on a pair of rubber gloves and announced that his fists were getting ready to f-up Thomas, I pictured something very different from what the video shows.
I pictured something menacing, something out of the ultra-violent Oscar-winning film, “Pulp Fiction.”
But in the video, Ramos has a wandering sometimes discordant, sometimes frustrating talk with Thomas for seven minutes before gloves show up.
It appears that Ramos’ partner hands him a pair of gloves, should he need them. Ramos stuffs them away.
Five minutes later, Ramos is still interviewing Thomas, and the contents of his backpack are examined.
Fourteen minutes in, Ramos reports that he’s found a lawyer’s mail in Thomas’s pack and says, “So I’m thinking a 496,” receiving stolen property.
It is here when things start to escalate. And it’s after here that I’m troubled with what I see and hear.
• • •
By this point, Thomas has complied with Ramos’ orders to sit. Using a profanity, the officer pulls on gloves – standard procedure when handling a suspect – and tells Ramos to put his feet out in front and his hands on his knees.
Thomas says he can’t do both.
Ramos says, “Well, you’re going to have to learn real quick.”
After another minute, this exchange occurs at 15:20:
Ramos: “Now you see my fists.”
Thomas: “Yeah, what about ’em?”
Ramos: “They’re getting ready to f- you up.”
Thomas: “Start punching dude.”
Ramos: “If you don’t f-ing start listening.”
Thomas: “It sucks.”
Ramos: Yeah…Put your f-ing hands on your knees.”
Thomas: “Well, hey, I’m sick of playing games. Which, which one is it?”
The video then shows Ramos pushing Thomas on the shoulder.
Thomas jumps up, standing. He appears to slap one of the officer’s hands.
Ramos’ partner appears, pulling out his baton. Ramos grabs his baton.
Ramos: “Get on the ground. Get on the ground.”
The officers strike Thomas on the back of the legs.
Officer Joseph Wolfe (Ramos’ partner): “Take him down. Take him down.”
• • •
The video bounces around. There’s a scuffle behind a tree with sounds of blows, a baton hitting the concrete, grunts and groans.
At 16:10, Thomas shouts: “I’m sorry dude. I’m sorry.”
Ramos: “Put your hands behind your back.”
16:25: The trio reappears on the video. The officers appear to be trying to push Thomas to the ground and force his arms behind his back.
With at least one officer on him, Thomas appears to prop himself up with his right arm and continues to shout, “I’m sorry dude. I’m sorry.”
This continues until 17:05. With both officers struggling and obscured by the tree, Thomas starts to yell, “I can’t breathe dude.”
Wolfe: “Relax.”
Thomas: “I can’t dude. I f-ing ca…”
For the next minute, Wolfe keeps telling Thomas to relax. Thomas keeps yelling he can’t breathe.
17:55, Ramos: “I’m gonna break my arm.”
Thomas: “OK. Hey, I’m sorry man. OK. OK. OK.”
18:09: A patrol car arrives and Cicinelli joins the struggle.
• • •
18:30: Officers repeatedly blast Thomas with a Taser.
19:30: An officer holding something pumps his arm up and down over Thomas. (It’s unclear if there’s a connection but photos later show Thomas’ face a bloody pulp.)
20:10: It appears officers have Thomas under control. Officers start to peel off from the pile.
Thomas: “Dad help me. Help me.”
25:10, Cpl. Jay Cincinelli: “I ran out, we ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably…I just start smashing his face to hell.”
I know many who serve, and I know they wouldn’t consider such an “option.”
I love how McKinley is acting like the cops’ attorney instead of the people’s representative. Of course for him it’s the same thing.
Did anybody else notice how McKinley said after the incident one guy was “suspended” and the others assigned desk jobs?
That was just an outright lie. I think the fat slob Wolfe re-injured an old shoulder problem and was off duty, and the rest were back on the street.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/05/manuel_ramos_kelly_thomas_murder.php
Amen to the USA. Greatest country in the world.
No more marine just out of the corps.
Put them in the post office, the library, kinder care, but not out on the street anymore.
Why would cities want to hire marines who have been trained and ordered to kill, and put them on the street with our people?
You know that they need years of decompression before they can acclimate to civilian life!
Give them light duty jobs until they come to terms with the Horror Bush put them thru.
What fucking idiots! Using Marines as a means to an end after they have been shooting and killing, and possibly by mistake, foreign babies too!
Give the Marines a break! They have been ordered to do horrible things, and some of them struggle to forgive themselves and end up losing all sense of humanity.
Money does nothing to cure the problem.
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Good God it’s spam. Try to stay focused.
It’s called being facetious. Condescend much?
Pam? Shutup!
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former Fullerton chief of police says on CNN that it is impossible for 6 police officer to beat one man, because they would end up beating each other… well the videotape released to the public… prove just that… that at least 6 Police officer were over this poor man… and that they were all doing their part in beating of some kind!
There might have been 8 or more around him at UCI Trauma.
what a fucking asshole piece of shit
The part that stands out for me is when McKinley claims public viewing of the tape would taint potential witnesses recollections – but the cops involved all got to see it so they could create their reports without fear of contradiction. No fear of tainting their memories, I guess.
McSociopath may have no conscience. It appears Lying is part of his sadistic personality. It seems easy for him, and sociopaths are convincing to others that are unfamiliar to the psychology of a sociopath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Okay. I have seen the video of the cops beating
Kelley to a pulp. Let me say that the cops intentionally, with malice, did deliberately kill him. I hope that the FBI gets involved because
there has been a great miscarriage of justice in this case. Every cop who was involved with this
man’s murder needs to be arrested and put in
prison for a few decades, at least. So far the county prosecutor and the state AG have dropped the ball, and that is no surprise either.
To all of the cop lover’s out there who are defending these murderers, I hope that some day you get a brain. What would be just is that the good people of Fullerton could attend a lynching
of the reprobates. After their killing, they should leave their bodies to rot, hanging, until they fall down on their own.
Kelly Thomas was a punk jerk who challenged the cops. He ran his mouth than started crying for his dad like a little bitch. He fought with the cops and if he would of done what he was told he would still be alive today. He knew what he was doing. Everyone is using his mental state for not complying.
He knew exactly what he was doing he was just a punk.
Here’s a memo. None of us are complying with anything you rotund, doltish psychos say anytime soon. And we’re taking your entire department down. Too bad you can’t use those extra pounds for sustenance later – camel like – when your unemployment checks run out.
Go chase Paul Revere’s shadow. You are that stupid.
Kelly Thomas was a man who had a diagnosed mental disorder. The six cops that deliberately killed him should all be charged with murder and acessory to murder, etc. Kelly Thomas did nothing to deserve what they did to him. He was just an innocent man minding his own business.
This case has been a miscarriage of justice since the night he died. The county attorney, as usual,
is pretending to seek justice, but as usual they
are covering up a serious crime. The police are nothing but killers, pure and simple as that.
One day John, you may find yourself under an officers batton, and screaming like a little bitch. It might be a new breed of officer looking for people like you, to have a good time with, and it could be when you least expect it.
Just don’t run your mouth with them like you do on this blog, we don’t want to watch people like you get themselves hurt.
Will never happen, I am not stupid.
Um, yes, you are. Very.
A federal law limiting law enforcement and civil service to only 4 years may counter national corruption on all levels.
Grant them an education of their choice, then send them off into the real world, instead of letting them rot in the social ills of society. 20 years on the force is a long haul to retirement, there has to be a better alternative to society and the people that have to deal with the worst of it.
the last year of work, they should drop back and train the new comer coming into the force, then circulate the men in, then out of the force, so we don’t get a stagnant atmosphere of corruption on any city or state level.
We half to develope a well rounded policy for the rampant coruuption thats going on.
It seems alot of people turn into parasites, only concerned about doing their time to get that pension.
Who’s bringing the tar and whose bringing the feathers this Tuesday?
Jones alone, that’s a hell of a lot of feathers.
Ok. About after McKinley said, ‘blows to the face and head aren’t life threatening’, I would have shut his microphone off and walked away. Really?
What is the ONLY point in the interview that McPension becomes excited and his voice raises in octive and timber?
First, the question is: “What do you think should happen to these 6 officers?”
McP: “Well, (then a slight smile) they should receive due process. DON’T LEAP TO CONCLUSIONS.”
Yes, due process is a nice idea.
It just really sucks when it only applies to elected and unelected ‘officials’.
How much of this story looks like the Kelly Thomas story? July 1, 2012 Saginal MI police are called out for a minor disturbance. Six officers shoot a man at distance over 30 times. The man is homeless and armed only with a knife. SAGINAL RESIDENTS WONDER WHY THE INVESTIGATION IS TAKING SO LONG. Sound familiar? I knew it would.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/08/19/police-shoot-homeless-man-30-times-video-170221/
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/thomas-372930-wolfe-ramos.html
Tigermanlsu yes iam and the world is still watching and waiting ! for the murderers of Kelly to get thers