Do The Right Thing
Here’s a great video of the courageous Marlena Carrillo questioning Patdown McPension for hiring a one-eyed cop retired on disability from the LAPD; and Sharon Quirk, who wants to move up the political ladder leaving lots of unfinished business behind; and the Acting Police Chief Dan Hughes for leaving a gang of killer cops on the streets of Fullerton after having watched and listened to the video and audio recordings of the Kelly Thomas murder.
The theme? Have you done the right thing? As Marlena points out, quite correctly, doing the right thing is not always easy, but it is what we expect from our leaders. The deafening silence from the dais in instructive.
Today, June 5th, 2012 you can join us in doing the right thing: sweeping out City Hall of the incompetent, sclerotic, unaccountable gang that has failed to lead.
Exactly 11 months since Kelly Thomas was murdered by the FPD.
RECALL!
Woo hoo, what do you know, evil dies in threes like famous people.
Now, find a way to take their pensions.
Then, disband the corrupt Fullerton Police Department and find a way to take their pensions.
Then eliminate all public sector unions in Fullerton and take their pensions.
Hey, one can dream.
Vote. And get your friends out to the polls. This is THE most important vote you will cast. Ever.
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“But even as the officers collected their thoughts, crime-scene technicians and detectives were picking over the scene of the bloody confrontation with Kelly Thomas as if it had been an officer-involved shooting.”
Is that an officer standing in the evidence?…
Yes. Crime scene my ass. They were yukking it up and collecting cameras and film.
Large shovel in one hand, broom in the other.
Marlena kicks ass, and does it with class. The truth is loader than shouting when it’s timed just right.
Justice for Kelly!
Steve, I agree.
Marlena spoke with command and confidence…and because of that, I believe they will not forget her comments and her questions. It’ll haunt them. They can ignore her – but they won’t forget…
and, neither will I.
Thanks for posting this video.
Ditto!
too bad we can’t recall that slime ball Hughes!! oh wait, u can… get to the poles and vote for the recall so your new city council can kick his ass out and have him take all his bad decisions with him!!!!
BC you’re an embarrassment to FFFF. This isn’t a strip club. I believe you were encouraging everyone to vote and get to the polls, not poles. However, I’m sure some of FFFFer’s have spent time on the “poles”!
Power to the people!
Grammar Cop, You have a good eye, but I’m affraid my grammar is not so good, but feel free to correct me if you like. You are Fantastic.
Quirk-Silva’s been a major embarrassment to Fullerton. She’s going to learn the hard way that you can’t succeed by trying to please everyone while actually doing nothing.
Tom, don’t pick on Quirk. She’s just not very bright.
Obviously, since she suggested during the immediate aftermath of the Kelly Thomas murder that the problem was lack of socks for the homeless.
Give her ten intellectual matches with you and she’ll win the first nine of them, Sippy. She might let you win the tenth to spare your ego. Or she might not.
Yes. Let’s give Quirk a box of crayons and let her take an intelligence test.
She might just do the most intelligent thing with them. How many do you think that she could shove into your mouth?
Getting testy, eh?
I wouldn’t waste to much emotional capital on Quirky. Other than evasion she’s got almost nothing going for her.
You think she’s smart? I would love to watch the featherhead in a debate with Norby.
Can you arrange that? I’d love to watch it too. And I’d bet that Sharon would love to participate in it. Can we have Norby’s wife moderate it — or is she disqualified for having endorsed Sharon?
Getting personal? Quirk couldn’t win a debate against a dust mop.
FACT: Norby’s wife posted publicly, on Facebook, that she wanted Sharon to win. People have screen caps of it! That’s public, not personal.
Sharon wouldn’t try to debate a dust mop. That sort of “hitting off of a batting tee” is for the likes of you.
She’s really sad. Her little school marm routine got old, fast. Meantime when the FPD needed real reform she teamed up with Gennaco and Hughes to soothe the rear guard reactionaries and the cop union.
Right, because she had the majority of the council behind her desire for reform — oh, wait, no she didn’t.
She did the best she could given the composition of the Council. That’s actual politics.
Just bright enough to be slippery and amorphous. As far as figuring out anything more complicated that a Happy Meal, forget it.
Stop touching her. You’re creeping me out.
why do you defend sharon quirk silva?
I defend her because bogus attacks on her intelligence are bogus. If no one points out how dumb they are, the casual observer may think them less dumb.
You remind me of this fellow.
There is a reason why Sharon Quirk Silva didn’t want to be photographed standing directly next to you.
Wow, that’s low. Goodbye, whoever you are.
As a Mom who has had three kids in her schools and two in her class, I can say I hope she is a better politican than she is a teacher.
She could BARELY muster the words to answer questions about my daughters progress, non-chalantly telling me “Don’t Worry”.
To top it off she did what every BAD teacher does: spent the next ten minutes talking about HER kids not mine.
She is not very good at communicating.
Thank you, pseudonymous commenter who may be making this all up!
Give it a rest Diamond.
You just “overplayed your part”.
I have a serious question, Sippy. Why is it that the loud males here always attack women they disagree with for supposedly being stupid? It’s sexist as hell, and no I do not mean that as a compliment. I’ve talked to Sharon many times about politics and policy; I’ve negotiated across the table from her on City issues and seen her analytic and people-management abilities. She’s great. Why do you think you can get away with calling women dumb? Did something bad happen to you as a kid?
This has nothing to do with male vs female, you idiot.
I would vote for a horse if it were smarter than Sharon. And a horse with those qualities should be relatively easy to find.
Breaking news — “Sexist Jerk Denies Being Sexist!”
(Am I right, ladies?)
It has to do with your running up to assert, without evidence, that “WIMMON R DUMMER THAN TEH HORSIE.” But no, it has nothing to do with gender (that’s what we call “male vs. female”), it has everything to do with the unquestionable fact that mumble mumble mumble.
Have attractive women always scared you this badly? You seem more comfortable around horses.
Attractive women? Now who’s playing sexist? Take your boner and go home.
That’s not sexist. I believe that both Loretta and Sharon would acknowledge being attractive women. It may be true that only Loretta would sing “I Feel Pretty,” though.
“Boner”? You din’t!
This is akin to being called a racist of you don’t support the NDAA. Gimme a break everyone know Sharon is a ladder climbing stooge has zero do to with gender. The person who brings up gender first is usually the sexist to be honest. Same with racism.
Don’t play the sex card here. If they can’t take the heat wannabe politicians should stay out of the boiler room.
Nice little condescending and unnecessary chivalry on your part. Sexist.
Every woman FFFFwads don’t like gets called stupid. That does not happen as much with men they don’t like. Yeah, that’s sexism.
Hold onto your own “sex cards,” I don’t want them.
You have a great point. These FFFFwads went after Dick Jones viciously simply because she happens to be a beautiful, smart and intelligent woman. Its not right.
Its also not right how they’re going after you for the same reason. Sexism is alive and well.
That was funny and it evinces enough intelligence on your part that you can figure out why it’s a load of dung without my help.
I am a woman and I believe that Sharon Quirk is no smarter than your typical AA battery.
You’ve “negotiated” across the table? What was that during your shorty stint as an Occupy Revolutionary?
You really are a pathetic character.
Score – Diamond not too sexist in assuming you were a man…sweet.
Where did I assume that she was a man? God, if a speck of actual truth gets onto your hands, do you scrub them for days?
Well, you are a dim bulb, so that’s understandable.
Yep — as a Civic Liaison, I negotiated with her and other city officials. They asked the right questions and were not pushovers. And I’m not a “revolutionary”; I’m a constitutionalist and gradualist.
“I’m a constitutionalist and gradualist.”
No, you’re a turd.
Oh, snap. Well, thud, actually.
he is worse than a turd…an Occu-poo.
Being dim and all, should we call you Miss. Diamond from now on?
You are a Nervous Nelly today Greg, the election anxiety getting to you?
I have it on good authority that I will make the November runoff, so no, not anxious at all.
I don’t get your joke — or “joke,” or whatever it was.
cheap ploy, greg, and I thought you were better than that. no where has anyone insinuated they dislike sharon Q. silva because she is a woman except for you. Criticisms of sharon often are substantiated by her voting record and public comments.
vgida, I’ve noticed over months here that men under attack tend to get the “you’re rotten” treatment and women under attack are more likely to also get the “you’re stupid” treatment.
I’m a social scientist by training; if Tony’s willing to spring for it, I can find a grad student at UCI or CSUF who can do what’s called a “content analysis” of the site, using methods agreed to by the academic of his choice, and we can see if my impression is correct.
Yes, criticisms of targets here do sometimes have some evidentiary basis, but the sweeping dismissals here of women targets, more so than men, tend to include “haw haw, she so dumb.” And yes, that is sexist.
Haw haw, Greg Diamond is so DUMB and STUPID and Sharon is ROTTEN!! (Does that make you feel better?) I didn’t realize that you gave so much credence to ad hominem attacks.
that’s why she and Sanchez go together like bread and butter, they are the dimmest bulbs in the box. But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?
She is just as much of an embarrassment to this city as Hee Haw Jones, and just as evil as McPatdown.
Right — Loretta’s only the Ranking Member on the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces — and you’re trying to figure out how to post a comment with a quote in it.
Is your embarrassment because of those skirts? Or is it something about Mexicans?
Smart move not to use your real name, by the way.
How ironic considering your birth name isn’t Greg Diamond.
True enough: it’s actually “Gregory.”
The good news for you is that that’s the 1000th baseless and false factual assertion that someone has made about me here, so you win a prize: dinner with Tony Bushala himself! Next time you see him, you can sit at his table and tell him that you won the “lie about Greg Diamond” contest. If he pretends not to know what you’re talking about, just play along.
Your birth name isn’t Gregory Diamond either.
So what’s his real name? Not that it matters much, but it might be fun to share.
It’s Bushala. Bushala Diamond.
You’re right: I was also given a middle name.
That’s my last concession, though.
America. Where any idiot can grow up to be a congresswoman.
“But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?”
Just like Gloria Molina
Quirk-Silva does not seem sincere to me, but that may be her flat affect.
Yeah, she is much less effervescent than Loretta, true. But who isn’t?
Effervescent? That’s a new synonym for floozy?
Close — it means “fizzy.”
Can the people complaining about my complaints of sexism in comments check in on this one?
Apparently you were never a recipient of Beautiful’s sleazy Christmas cards. Like the one where her pussy(cat) was on fire and she was awaiting a hunky fireman with his (fire)hose.
Nobody mader her do that. She did it all on her own.
Maybe you can explain why Sanchez refused to address the Kelly Thomas murder. Just like the rest of Fullerton’s old guard liberals: chickenshit.
Interesting — but how is it relevant? You think that a naughty Xmas card (taking you at your word) means that she forever more gets to be called sexist names?
Joe, did she “refuse to” address Kelly’s death? Someone asked her and she said “I’m not going to talk about that”? Or she just didn’t jump into addressing an event — a politicized event, by the way — outside of her district.
California has 52 Congress members outside of Ed Royce. How many of them did have a comment?
By the way, here’s some insider info: the Democrats I talk to seem to think that Quirk-Silva handled it very well, as do I. But I also know that homeless people do want socks.
No, it’s a synonym for blovious ignoramus.
“America. Where any idiot can grow up to be a congresswoman.’
No shit, if that isn’t proof we are an equal opportunity country, I don’t know what does.
You are bloviously incorrect.
lets add racist to sexist
that’s why she and Sanchez go together like bread and butter, they are the dimmest bulbs in the box. But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?
She is just as much of an embarrassment to this city as Hee Haw Jones, and just as evil as McPatdown.
If you really think Quirk-Silva is as evil as McKinley you’re just a straight-up, honest-to-god, 100% moron.
Don’t be calling other people dim bulbs when you’re own intelligence is approaching that of a lobster.
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…..Marlene’s balloon still flying high at Kelly’s corner.
As we have seen way too often, our council members, our department heads, our police department has not done the right thing for us.
What has to stop TODAY is allowing our leaders in Fullerton to have no accountablility for doing the wrong thing!
VOTE YES ON THE RECALL AND YOU VOTE FOR REFORM, RESULTS AND FOR YOUR FUTURE.
I have been maligned by a few phony bloggers.
I find some of their comments very amusing. They will try any tactic to try to sabatage our just cause.
Good luck to every candidate that did his/her best in an honest, issued based campaign.
We will triumph today!
Barry, why did you put two pages of flyers under the windshield wipers of people’s cars? Did you want them to throw out your trash or did you expect them to complete the job of littering?
I think it’s fine to put out a flyer on people’s car windows for a lost dog — but it’s just weird to do it for a lost campaign.
You really need a job.
I like working for myself. I feel less guilty about complaining about the boss.
Yeah, sure you do. Food stamps?
Never had them. I do favor their wide availability to others, though. Do you — or does it undercut your pleasure of watching people pick through garbage bins?
Send your old lady to the 7-11 with the EBT?
What a guy.
Nope, no one in the household has food stamps, idjit.
But hey, why don’t you make fun of people who DO have food stamps! That should really put people here in the right mood to vote.
considering the areas where I have worked, I have seen more people behind grocery stores selling their food stamps then driving off in cars I could not afford to buy.One woman bragged to me she sold her food stamps to pay for her tattoos. why do I sense a cataclysmic end to the social-welfare state?
If you see that happen, call the police. Seriously. I have no problem with that.
The “welfare queen” myth is something we can address another time. I’m not saying that it never happens; I am saying that as problems go, it’s a pretty small one.
Greg, stop stealing property off of other peoples’ cars.
I was cleaning up litter. Anyway, whose “property” do you think it was, bunky? The people that abandoned it there or the people who hadn’t seen it and didn’t want it. If Levinson had had the decency to stamp and address envelopes, we have civil servants who would have delivered it right to people’s mailboxes for him!
Thief. That one will come back.
Cleaning up litter is thievery? Well, I’m glad that you don’t think that it’s aggravated assault against paper.
Call 911 on me if you must. But also call it on Litterin’ Levinson, OK? Let the courts sort out who has to pick up trash on the sides of the freeway. (If it’s me, maybe I’ll be lucky and come across some of Barry’s own campaign flyers!)
If it was on the ground, then it’s littering. And the culprit is the one who put it on the ground, not the one who placed them on the windshields. You, sir, are taking them off vehicles. That would be stealing.
(1) Then call the cops. Hell, maybe I’ll go visit them tonight and ask.
(2) “Stealing” from whom? From the person who abandoned them or the person who never asked for them and didn’t know that they were there?
Listen up, you dipshit Greg Diamond. As I told you in the other thread, I was once the victim of a parking ticket discarded from my windshield. Don’t remove stuff from people’s cars. Let people do it themselves.
I don’t care if it’s flyers from Barry Levinson or a dead raccoon underneath my windshield wipers. Stay the hell away from my car!
I’m in your glove compartment right now, Snakes, reading your romance novels. (By the way, I didn’t read your comment on the other thread. Did I miss anything important?)
I appreciate your last sentence, though, and it’s rousing condemnation of Barry Levinson.
“Its”! Sorry, Grammar Police, I know it’s “its”!
The only thing in my glove compartment is a hand grenade inscribed with the words Greg Diamond.
Good comeback. It’s so “you.”
Greg! you don’t uphold freedom of speech evidenced by you removing flyers put out by a political hopeful you dislike. shame on you! you know better than to do that because you practice the law
I’m not upholding “freedom of speech” by doing so; I’m upholding laws against littering. Does it shock you to learn that Levinson has no First Amendment right to put his political flyers onto your windshield — or to slip them through your car window if it happens to be cracked open?
Given the mysterious departures of candidates’ political signs (which unlike flyers put onto cars ARE protected) from areas across the city, I find your dudgeon amusing.
Mugsy Diamond
How do you know it was litter?
You aren’t suppose to touch other people’s property -they may have wanted those flyers.
By stealing, what you did was a criminal act.
Call the FPD, merijoe. Given the amount of sign stealing going on, which oddly enough in many areas ends up with only a Levinson sign present, I think it would be hilarious.
But I’m glad to see that you too condemn Barry Levinson for touching other people’s property!
You call the FPD, which is something you should have done in the first place instead of putting your grubby hands on people’s property -you never produce any proof, you just run your mouth and tell someone else to do the legwork and stop changing the subject because you are embarrassed.
Let’s puzzle this through, merijoe:
The proof was in the video, merijoe! Who do you think put the Levinson flyers on those cars — Sean Paden, trying to set Barry up? (And if I were embarrassed, I would not have put up the video, eh?)
I am sorry that you are giving moral support to a litterer.
It’s one thing to come on here and opine…but to get “hands-on” in a city that he doesn’t live in…I’m not sure I understand his motive.
Including my campaign account and my lawyer’s trust fund account, I have accounts at four banks — all in Fullerton.
I do most of my shopping in Fullerton. The main local political organization with which I am involved focuses on Fullerton. My wife and now my daughter went to Fullerton College. My campaign office is in Fullerton. I am running to represent Fullerton (among other areas) in the State Senate.
I live 1/3 of a mile outside of the city border. Why are you so freaked out by my interest in Fullerton? I’m also interested in Wisconsin’s elections today.
I’m still wondering. Why were you driving around Fullerton, looking at peoples’ cars and taking property from their windshield?
Watch the video. I was responding to a tip.
Does redefining another persons’ campaign material as “litter” allow you to justify your actions?
All your actions did was illustrate that you have low emotional intelligence and are petty.
Barry tell us about your clean campaign again and the misleading COPS voter’s guide. BTW Greg Diamond is very entertaining and mostly accurate.
Thank you — I may use that as my new campaign slogan!
I have to give Barry credit, though, for denouncing Chris Thompson’s “mistake” of promoting his campaign with the resources of the entirely separate Fullerton Recall campaign. Oh, he didn’t do that? But … but … “clean campaign”!!!! Gosh!
Greg Diamond is a ZERO. Always has been always will be.
Your comment has no content. (Also: stop bothering me here, Mom.)
Your mom thinks of you like that?
No, actually she died years ago — but she had a great sense of humor and would be loving this thread. (Miss you, Mom!)
Greg has mom issues. Figures. Poor Mrs. Diamond. Both of them.
Classy.
Greg is a Hero! Always has been always will be!
Greg is a sandwich? I know he”s full of baloney./ Thanks for the confirmation.
+1
Remember no one wants to see Matt Rowe and his liberal posse in office vote for Travis, Greg and Barry!!!
Just voted for Rowe. It was a tossup between him and Levinson, but then I thought of all the anonymous nutjobs slamming him on FFFF, and that clinched it for me. Thanks for all you do!
You’ve got that right. I think the people that just spew out hatred instead of making intelligent points are shooting themselves in the foot. They spend so much time and effort saying ugly things about those they oppose and nothing about why you should vote for their candidate of choice. I don’t get it.
While I enjoy the anonymous nature of this blog as much as anybody, what we really need here is a stupidity filter which prevents you from posting if your IQ is under 50. There are intelligent people of various political persuasions on here who are worth talking to no matter which candidates they support. Then there is “I pooped a Matt” and the like. As a wise man once said “”The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.”
My brain filters stupid comments by the name they’re posted under. For instance, I haven’t read an entire Greg Diamond comment since…well, ever!
No wonder you don’t appreciate them, then! Try reading one all the way through. The worst that can happen is that it liquifies your brain — and I don’t think anyone will notice.
Just don’t operate heavy machinary after reading….
Me either Just a Guy! I skip right over them.
Your loss.
Ditto, Anon. They’re trying so hard to discredit Matt…such children.
Did the Navy pay for those bolt-on’s?
Yes on Recall
No on idiots
Ms. Carrillo, thank you for your courage, your time, your thoughts. It’s people like Marlena who should be leading us into the future. Bankhead’s been on the city council for almost 30 years, Jones 16, McPension should have never even been an option, thanks NOT Ed Royce!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/walker-357384-ramos-police.html
can someone please block Ms. Diamond’s IP, I would rather have O’Malley back.
It’s “Mr. Diamond.” Your confusion explains much.
That would be an acknowledgment of defeat. I wouldn’t blame you.
LOL that made me spit my coffee. I was thinking the same thing and was thinking wow Reality Is got his posts all deleted and all his IP’s blocked and this guy goes nuts all day everyday.
It’s June 5th though!!
🙂
Yes…it’s eerie when “Reality Is” is a breath of fresh air…
You make a good point. Happy June 5th to you.
We will not have answers until Mardirossian starts issuing subpoenas for reports, records and personnel files and depositions begin under oath. McKinley and others know that while they can play us off as stupid, their day of reckoning looms in their futures.
One way to solve the nation’s energy problem is to confiscate Greg Diamond’s computers, smart phones, and any other electronic device he uses to connect to the internet.
From my cold dead hands….
don’t get our hopes up.
Really, now — wishing me dead? That’s real desperation! In a way, I’m flattered.
You should have that looked at.
Get lost. After November you’ll disappear any way. Just a bad, methane memory.
Witty!
You can learn a real lot from stupid.
Polling Stats say left leaners are,
A) Are people that are less happy in life.
B) Are people that are less attractive.
C) Are people with lower intelligence, or IQ.
D) Are people with less financial means, and would like the Control Freaks in Government to go broke, buying and wasting on stuff they want, FOR SPITE!
Polling Stats are apparently Made Up.
Maybe on your Planet you live in.
Nice priorities…making sure your in the thick of the real issues. Because THAT is Fullerton’s problem – litter. Good job.
The actual issue is an arrogant and entitled “do what you want and apologize for it later” attitude. You know, like Chris Thompson and his e-mail.
Please leave this poor nebbish alone. He really can’t help himself. Doomed to loserville.
Do you think about what you type before you hit that submit button?
Let me check:
Yep, sounds about right.
Just actually watched the video, though I remember being there in person to hear these remarks.
Marlena should think about running for office in the future. Great points made with a calm, cool, thoughtful delivery.
Carrillo is an intelligent and forthright woman. She made lucid comments that are rational and logical. Naturally, the ones who she directed her questions to have no good reasonable or logical answers to her concerns – so they go unaddressed. Thank you, Ms. Carrillo for helping to expose the malfeasance, fraud and lack of leadership on Fullerton’s city council and police department. You are a good citizen who is engaged in critical matters that impact your fellow citizens and goes to the very heart of what defines civilized behavior. God bless you.
You ffffer’s are funny. Build her up because she made lucid comments. I’ve been to council meetings and I’ll give you that she made lucid comments but why the idol complex? Carrillo should educate her Jerry Springer friends on how to speak rational and logical instead of their rants. I’d cheer her for that!
“speak rational and logical”?
GED, begone.
I watched the video and was surprised that apparently no one called FPD to report what GD was doing, but then I remembered he noted it was 6:30 so perhaps it was 6:30 in the morning?
I do not live on that specific street, but if I saw someone taking flyers off of my neighbors’ cars I think I would call FPD and let that person explain what they were doing… It is up to the vehicle owner to remove flyers, not someone walking down a street videotaping themself removing them.
The videotaping raises another concern for me; we know now that it was GD pursuing a “cause”, but someone walking down a residential street videotaping would also be something that would have me notifying FPD.
And, GD, before you remind me that it was probably a digitally-made video – I fully understand that and chose to use a term that most people will recognize.
Call the FPD if you must, peaches. Why should the vehicle owners be burdened with cleaning up Levinson’s mess? This is a curious morality you propose, where Levinson has a right to pick up their wipers and abandon his propaganda there, but no one else has the right to remove it.
You’re right — someone certainly could have called the FPD to report my three minutes of videotaping. If they had, I would have explained it and life would have gone on.
I don’t know…what with FPD’s track record regarding (perceived) stolen mail…
Somehow, that enrages them.
That track record pretty bad — and if I were a young man from a racial/ethnic minority I might well have gotten hassled.
But if it *were* mail in a mailbox, I would never have taken it. That’s the difference.
Greg
I’m not going to tell you how to do your job or run your campaign, and if you want to go after Mr Levinson that’s your choice but please leave me out of it. Thank you.
Come on, Sean — this is the most attention you’ve gotten here in weeks. (I find it mysterious; I’d think that they’d like you.)
I hope that you pull a lot of votes from Levinson, though. What’s your position on sticking your flyers onto the windshields of strangers’ parked cars? You may be able to distinguish yourself here.
+1 JDMS
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/fullerton-recall-kelly-thomas.html
Ms. Carillo, thank you for standing, speaking and marching in Kelly’s Army for justice. It is just a matter of time before all involved will also realize that it is never too late to do the right thing. Today the jacarandas are in full bloom and the soapbox has led to the ballot box. May the will of the people give rise to a new tomorrow in Fullerton. Its decent, hard working, honest residents deserve no less. May we also realize that we must NEVER take our eyes off of those we elect to public office and may the light of day shine bright on those whom we hold to a higher standard to represent us. God Bless the Fullerton Recall.
I wonder if Greg Diamond walks around town picking up people’s newspapers on their driveways because it’s “litter” in his eyes?
No, they have generally consented to the presence of those papers on their property, and if they don’t like them they can request that the commercial enterprises stop delivering them.
She represents Fullerton. The murder occurred a few hundred feet from the her district boundary. And yes, her staff refused to talk about it. Nice.
Quirk handled it just well enough not get recalled.
She doesn’t represent that part of the district. Hence my saying “outside of her district.”
Maybe she was afraid of the reaction that I get when, living a similar distance outside of the city, people ask me why I’d possibly be interested in it, as if it was Antarctica.
By the way (and I seriously don’t know the answer) — what did ROYCE say about it?
FFFFer’s this post was about a courageous and independent woman, Marlena Carrillo standing up to the corrupt old boys club.
It has, unfortunately, been hijacked. Please return to the topic of the post.
You’re right, boss. Sorry.
I agree-today is the day so many worked so hard for. This day is being graced by this post and Marlena’s words that echo oh so clearly that we all want what is right from those who can’t see what is wrong.
I agree. Many people worked very hard to make this day happen so today I’m going to avoid responding to the off-topic and diversionary posts.
I hope the rest of you do the same.
Me, too.
agree, well said Truthseeker.
Thank you Marlena for your courage, conviction and class.
This was Sipowicz, re SQS:
Tom, don’t pick on Quirk. She’s just not very bright.
You want to talk about “hijacking,” talk to him.
Look above – He acknowleged and apologized…
Admin didn’t mention any names. Got a guilty conscience?
I always thought Fullerton had the best Ladies.
http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm
Note, 7500 absentee ballots returned as of today.
Justice for Kelly Thomas
Power to the People
Nice rack, too bad you had to open your mouth and ruin everything!
The manner which Marlena delivered her message to the City Council and Police Chief, was both eloquent and elegant.
I greatly admire and respect her tenacious spirit and insistence on speaking out for those whose voice has been silenced.
Thank you Marlena for having the courage to stand up to these people that could not care less about the citizens.
OK, on topic: was it crazy and improper for Pat McKinley to hire Jay Cicinelli because he has only one eye? Again, a federal appellate court has addressed the question of whether it’s proper to discriminate against a one-eyed person in hiring for a police force:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1097840.html
For the record, I think that binocular vision is important for a police officer and I would probably support its being a job requirement — but I don’t think that someone who thinks otherwise is obviously wrong. I admire Marlena’s being willing to take her stance in front of the City Council, but that does not make that stance correct.
Greg. Why don’t you go out the back door of democratic headquarters and sweep up all the cigarette butts all over the parking lot. You can film it if you want to, but please don’t post it here.
Yes it does-there were thousands of eligible people that would have loved to have had that job and there was no need to close the door on someone more qualified. The public servant was serving up a favor for his friends and not for those whom he was serving. Jay should have taken his retirement and moved into something that didn’t involve carrying automatic weapons and driving 100 mph down Commonwealth Ave with one eye. That way he wouldn’t have had to “smash Kelly’s face to hell”.
He was also taking a disability check from LAPD and McPension knew it, making them both complicit it a scam on the LAPD retirement system.
It was whitewashed by the pension board last year but on a rare split vote: those who wanted to go after Cicinelli and those that didn’t want to make the system look bad.
Law or not; there is no way I’m going into a gun fight with a partner who has mono vision. Peripheral vision is vital to ascertain threat location, maintain eye(s) on target, and keep a good sight picture.
Try passing your peripheral vision eye test with one eye closed next time you are in for your eye exam.
Not to mention chasing a suspect at high speeds weaving in and out of traffic with mono vision.
Yes on a desk job.
Greg, Why are you here?
Marlena is one of the true heroes in all of this. Her selfless dedication is to be admired and respected.
If we could just clone her courage, her tenacity and her integrity, the world and certainly the city of Fullerton would be a better place for all of us.
Thank you Marlena!
Thank you Barry for helping me with Bill and all you do…
Your kind words are taken to heart…,
The recall will fail, and Jay and Ramos will be found “not guilty.” Joe Wolfe will retire with a pension, and the other officers will be back on street patrol shortly.
And “Kelly’s Army” will soon fade into history without so much as a wimper. It’s been nearly a year now, time to get over it and move on with your lives.
Bad things happen when you disobey a lawful order — really bad things happen when you are stupid enough to disobey EIGHT of them. Realise that and GROW UP and get over it.
Small circle . . . enjoy.
Lisa you are disgusting! An innocent man was beaten to DEATH. Do you get that? Kelly’s murder will never fade from my memory neither will the faces of his MURDERERS!
She sounds like she had most of the Human abused out of her when she was a young child too, its really really sad. 🙁
You’re probably right about that. Someone with a history of childhood trauma/abuse may actually believe that Kelly deserved to be beaten to death for “disobeying lawful orders” much the way there is a part of them that may believe they deserved to be abused as a child. It is sad.
The scope of the response to Kelly’s minor disobedience was beyond all reasonable proportion and Cicinelli’s response in particular was beyond the law. I have my disagreements with people here on FFFF, but they are absolutely right about that.
There was no disobedience, minor or otherwise. Kelly was harassed, given contradictory and arbitrary commands and then threatened with physical violence.
Yes there was — notably, his standing up — but it in no way called for the response he got. I have no problem accepting that Kelly was a little disobedient and that an officer could go after him for resisting arrest while also believing that the bust was an unjustified roust, that the force used in arresting him was unreasonable even before Cicinelli came onto the scene, and that Cicinelli committed manslaughter. Things don’t have to be 100% black versus white.
Wrong again, block head. He stood up after Ramos said “these fists are getting ready to fuck you up…”
At that point the stop turned illegal, unless we are to disbelieve a career prosecutor and believe an unemployed nitwit living at Democratic Party HQ.
Kelly had a right to defend himself by backing away from his asailants.
Please leave him alone.
Then shut the f up.
Lisa my darling, the NDAA along with the long train of other hideous laws will soon be implemented on you and your children by the private contractors merging with the military as your reward for licking the jackboots. Wake up and join the right side of things. Do the right thing. Murder is murder. If you want to go down that slippery slope on a toboggan, go for it- head first. Fullerton is not camp x ray. Getting tried, convicted, and executed in the gutter is not the legal penalty for being a schizo smart ass. Stray dogs are treated better by animal control officers. You know about 2 weeks after Kelly’s murder, I witnessed, to my astonishment, A Fullerton police officer, stop his car on Raymond Ave and block the street so a DUCK could cross. My kids were just as perplexed as I was as we were returning from a Kelly Thomas protest that Saturday afternoon. You people got it all wrong.
The worst times in history also do tend to bring out the greatest in people.
You mean the Police didn’t run them over like you thought they would? Get a life.
Lisa, I am sure you wish Kelly’s Army would go away.
But you will not get that wish…
We are only growing and getting more organized.
“The recall will fail”
You should be choking on your own words by now.
Greg, I enjoy your witty responses, but disagree with you. I watched the video and saw a man who never gave up despite apologizing. He resisted until he was handcuffed.
What the DA does and says matters. BS doesnt.
Correction: He fought for his life until they suffocated him to the point of brain death.
Stagecraft, and lack of proper effort!
Rock on, Marlena!
You too FullertonGirl
We are all in this together…
Justice for Kelly Thomas
Any early numbers yet?
No postings until after the polls close.
http://www.ocvote.com/results/election-results-reporting-schedule/
You beat me to it! 🙂
You can view the numbers here:
http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm#c-1293
At the top of the screen, there is a count-down clock letting you know when it will next be updated. As of this posting, just under 6 hours left for the first few numbers to be reported.
On the left hand side, you can see shortcuts to specific votes (e.g. Recall Jones).
http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm#c-1304
This link will take you to the same page, but will navigate you to the specific part for the Fullerton Recall.
You can scroll up/down to see more results.
Has Greg Diamond officially hijacked this blog?
It’s like someone talking through a Concert or Baseball game.
I AM USUALLY THE GUY WHO STANDS UP AND POLITELY SUGGESTS THEY MIGHT BE MORE COMFORTABLE SOMEPLACE ELSE. I don’t want to have to be that here.
Any exit poll numbers?
Keep us watching from a distance posted, please!
No one has funded it to my knowledge.
So there is no prediction(s) based on anything?…..?
phone calls/surveys, etc.?
Anyone care to take a guess? I’m betting it passes 2-1 with 22k votes cast. 14-15k in favor of the recall.
Sorry, local politics. No one funds this stuff.
It may be local politics but “I’m guessing” this has a lot of people following the results.
I wonder if the three tired turkeys show up for tonight’s city council meeting?
The agenda looks a little light, but if it’s possible to string the meeting out with public comments, the first election tallies will be at 8:05pm and 9:30pm.
I’d love to watch their reaction as the night progresses on.
If you’re going, be sure to remind them that they have a responsibility to not execute their decision making authority once recalled. This is going to be a landslide.
I believe that’s contingent on the Registrar of Voters certifying the results, which could take days or weeks.
As well as California’s Secretary of State, I think – but there is a specified time frame for doing so (30 days?)
All the more reason to remind them of their responsibility.
In my opinion, if I were to lose a recall, I’d be acting out of ego and spite if I were to continue to sit and vote on the council after an election where it became evident that I’d lost any semblance of the authority to govern the electorate.
If they lose 2-1 and still vote, well, then any redeeming quality they had left will be gone. They can’t be that self-centered, can they?
Yes.
They’ve been acting out of ego and spite for almost a year now.
I fully expect them to conduct business as usual until their last breathing moment on the council. I also expect them to throw Tony Bushala under the bus tonight for his appeal about the brewery.
That will be fun. The conditions put on the beer bar are so permissive that the Three Bald Tires might actually have to do the right thing.
agree w/Snakes…They will never do the right thing, especially if they have the opportunity to spite Tony.
Good question. I don’t know.
An interesting article was published by the folks at The Blaze today. Never in a million years did I expect to see Wisconsin’s recalls mentioned in the same sentence as Fullerton’s.
Who’s getting recalled today?
In this age of political discontent, recall elections are gaining popularity. While we have all heard about Scott Walker’s battle to keep his elected position, there are actually a total of 17 recall elections going on all across the country today: six in Wisconsin; three in Fullerton, California, three in Greenfield, California and five in Hermiston, Oregon!
In 2011, there were at least 150 recall elections held in the United States, with 75 officials ultimately recalled. The year set a record for the number of state legislator recalls
As of today, there have already been 103 recall elections in 2012. Recall Elections blogger Joshua Spivak has the breakdown:
• 32 recalls resulted in a vote for removal. They took place in 17 different states
• 14 recalls resulted in a resignation in the face of removal
• 1 recall failed to get on the ballot, but the official resigned anyway
• 1 recall saw the official die in office
• 27 recalls resulted in the targeted official won the recall election
• 30 are scheduled to take place between today and August
• 6 instances, most notable El Paso, Texas, a judge rejected the recall.
• 6 other instances, the targeted officials are either still fighting the recall in court or refusing to schedule one as a member of the city council.
• 52 attempted recalls (at least) that failed to gather enough signatures to get on the ballot.
• 115 (at least) open and unresolved recall petitions circulating now (I may be off on this — in some of these, the recall might have been abandoned).
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/06/05/whos-getting-recalled-today/
Christine Walker, a supporter of the recall, said she was confident that all three council members would be ousted Tuesday, “because we’ve been able to just expose a light on the dirty politics on the city of Fullerton for more than 30 years.”
“In less than 24 hours, we’re going to have our city back,” Walker said on Tuesday.
One of the three councilmen facing recall, McKinley, said an “incredible” amount of money was behind the recall campaign.
Regarding Thomas’ death, McKinley said: “If we would have let our feelings be known that we were appalled by all this — just like anyone else we were appalled by it — perhaps it would have quelled it a bit, but I think it would’ve went forward anyway.”
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/us/california-fullerton-recall-election/index.html
Like I said, “I’m guessing” a lot of eyes are on this.
If you woulda, coulda, shoulda, too late, too bad.
Does anyone truly think he was appalled by this?
Not by a long shot.
This seems reasonable to me. But who knows? We’ll know the answer in about 6 hours.
The issue is muted by the severity and extremely explosive nature of it all!
“YOU CAN FIGHT CITY HALL (Fullerton)!”
Election prediction… at least 2 get recalled, and only one ‘tony friendly’ candidate gets in.
One recalled, all recalled. It’s all or nothing. If the recall succeeds it’ll be Kiger, Sebourn and Chaffee.
I agree with you 100%.
McSociopath is definitely out.
It’s sad to see so many people attacking Cicinelli on a personal level for losing an eye. There are plenty of other things to comment on: his psychiatric state after losing the eye, his sadistic. calculated brutality, the fact that his family members are discounting his role in murdering Kelly Thomas, etc, without having to make disrespectful, sophmoric insults that I would expect to see from those supporting the accused officers rather than those supporting justice for Kelly Thomas.
Jay should have understood what it is like to be a victim of crime, but it seems it must of slipped his mind when he bashed Kelly’s face up that night.
Jay deserves the same mercy he gave Kelly. That is what he gets for becoming a bad Cop. Jays actions that night, completely negated the empathy we have for what he went through when his eye got shot out.
Brandon-You’re right. Simple truth is Jay was damaged goods when he was hired (sorry greg diamond). Bottom line he became a brutal cop. He has to pay.
I agree. I believe he should be held accountable for his actions but I would not cast aspersions based on having been shot and losing an eye. I really believe that he was done a huge disservice when he was hired for FPD after he had already been found to be too disabled to continue with LAPD. Sometimes tragic things happen that disrupt the plans we have for ourselves and our lives and that’s what it sounds like happened to him. He was determined that he wanted to be a police officer and not just a desk job and I admire that but it just wasn’t the right thing to do. Sometimes you just have to say no when someone wants to do something that is potentially harmful to them and/or others. I am still wondering about whether he has TBI from the gunshot because, again, that would be much more problematic than the problems caused by only having one eye. People with TBI can be unpredictable and volatile at times with poor impulse control and explosive anger. They can go off in a rage in a split second and, when it is over, go back to being completely calm and self-possessed, as if nothing happened.
No one holds hate for a disabled man, right?
It is all in what you do with your circumstances.
He obviously had psychological issues from his injury. That should have been taken into account by any law enforcement agency that hired him. Did Fullerton PD consider this? Obviously not.
While I agree that the “Cyclops” jokes are somewhat offensive, the fact that Cicinelli deliberately targeted Kelly Thomas’ eye with the butt – end of his Taser – the same eye he himself lost – is infinitely more offensive to me. Any sympathy I may have had for him for the initial injuries he received while working for the LAPD vanished with that act of brutality alone.
I’m looing forward to good news.
Probably Chaffee will get in.
This website has descended into childlike madness.
Good luck and all my best hopes to the good citizens of Fullerton. And most of all, I hope for justice for Kelly Thomas. I hope it all works out for his family, friends and supporters, and I trust the bad guys will get their due, in every way.
Fullerton clearly has some personal issues to solve, and I wish you well. Kelly is in the hands of Heaven and the courts, and maybe the FBI. Maybe.
Good luck, Godspeed, and God bless the wonderful people of Fullerton.
Adios. I’ll be watching and listening.
I wish I lived in fullerton so i could hav e voted in this recall to remove the three subjects of the recall. Im proud of the work that Tony Bushala Travis Krieger, and Cbhris Thompson have done the past 11 months. Let this serve as a template and example to the electorate what a group of determined individuals can collectively accomplish. Tonyand company Im proud to call you friendss. Cheers too all of Fullerton.
Kelly’s: I have little empathy for him as well and do not by any means excuse his behavior because of his likely damaged psyche. I wish he was getting charged with second degree murder at the very least. I just don’t like seeing him attacked for having a physical disability.
Shimon: There is really no way for us to know if Cicinelli was an angry, brutal, sadistic individual prior to losing his eye, but that event no doubt contributed to his psychological make-up going into the night he helped beat and suffocate Kelly Thomas to death. I still find it ironic how many police apologists questioned why Kelly’s family did not do more to keep him off the streets but have not said anything about why Cicinelli’s family did not do more to make sure he got appropriate psychiatric help after being shot and losing the eye.
“I still find it ironic how many police apologists questioned why Kelly’s family did not do more to keep him off the streets but have not said anything about why Cicinelli’s family did not do more to make sure he got appropriate psychiatric help after being shot and losing the eye.”
Me too. It seems that’s all they got.
“Llisa:”
Are you a male, female or ?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!
CITY COUNSEL MEETING TONIGHT 6:30
http://cityoffullerton.com/about/meetings_live.asp
I can’t go to the meeting tonight – what channel can I watch the meeting on? I’m in Fullerton 🙂
http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/depts/mayor_n_city_council/council_meeting_broadcasts.asp
Hey There. If you have UVERSE, go to channel 99 and follow the prompts.
No Internet broadcast tonight?
Is there delayed broadcasting tonight or did someone make the decision to no air tonight’s council meeting because of the recall election / vote?
I’m watching on ATT U-Verse; they are finishing up “presentations” (6:55 or so Pacific)
SO FAR ……….NO…
THE 3 F’S ARE PROB CRYING
Do we have any election numbers yet?
not till 8:05pm. there is a website.
And the first votes posted will be absentee ballots
Thank you CG!
http://www.ocvote.com/results/
Is there anyone at the council meeting who can tell us what is happening in it?
I am watching it on U-Verse; it’s presentations at about 6:55 Pacific
Could you please provide a link?
There was no link when I looked.
Sometimes FFFF puts it online later I think.
I think it’s only on local U-Verse, not outside the general Southern California area…
http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&event_id=55
Its usually streamed here but no today.
oh boo, Larry Bennett got some sort of certificate for the GPAC (General Plan Advisory Committee)
and was there to accept –
“Dick” Jones gave the invocation and referenced “trying” or “troubling” times for the Council
Side note – why doesn’t Fullerton CC have the invocation made by members of various religious groups as other cities do?
trying times for the Council? Pffffftttthhhhh!
Oh woe is me, they haven’t been beaten to death by Fullerton PD, but they are going through trying times indeed.
Dick just made a motion to move public comments to the end of the meeting. What a dick!
Can he do that?
Yes, he can; democracy in action
Dick is a dick? Really?
Oh, I forgot! The City Attorney’s report on Closed Session noted a “strategy” in a suit (property damage, I think) – potential $6 million dollar settlement?
OH, “Dick” just asked as a “point of privilege” that Public Comments be moved to the END of the meeting.
Motion seconded, QS moves to have Public Comments now for 20 minutes at 2 mins each and remainder at end of meeting; she got a second.
3-2 for Public Comments to move to end of meeting
Just for that I hope every citizen in Fullerton voted “yes” on the recall. Are they going to try and pass as much shady stuff as they can while they still have seats?
Did Silva bow down to Dick?
Prolly not the first time.
However – there are a couple of public hearings (Bootleggers is one) and there will probably be many comments for that
No, the three sea slugs voted as a bloc for “Dick’s” motion, and against QS’ motion, so “Dick’s” motion passed and not hers
Arrogant bastards all the way up to the end!
The Dicktator probably had the internet feed taken down too.
If you can reach anyone there have them ask the person who handles the stream why stream is offline.
Staff member is recommending denial of the appeal about Bootleggers; public input should follow shortly
No questions from council, and it’s Tony Bushala’s turn (he is the appellant against the expansion of Bootleggers – just to remind )
“When I first heard that somebody was going to try to recall us, I thought, why?” wondered Fullerton Councilmember Pat McKinley.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Recall-Election-in-Fullerton-157361025.html
Last speaker on Bootleggers asked why the three did not recuse themselves from a vote given the circumstances
Speaker now (7:30 Pacific) who looks to be in the same age group as the three is speaking against allowing the expansion, bless his heart 🙂
T-Minus 30 minutes till results.
All Kelly’s Army personnel… hold fast!
T-Minus 20 minutes till initial results.
Weapons hot. All units stand by.
T-Minus 10 minutes till initial results.
Remember Kelly Thomas.
“Expansion is what made America great….” “Fullerton is open for business” – Dick Jones, June 5th, 2012.
Sigh.
GMTA!
Someone ought to tell the Native Americans and Mexicans about how great that expansion was.
Sounds like he’s been hanging out there
We have initial results! We have initial results!
Recall YES is leading by about 60 to 30 for all three targets.
Good!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/homeowners-357521-city-trail.html
I’m disappointed that Doug Chaffee won Pat McKinley’s seat. I understand that Levinson and Rowe split the vote, but it’s disappointing that a candidate who refused to take sides on the recall profited from it.
Where did you learn this from CT?
Could you wach the video?
No video tonight, there’s a website with unofficial results. They’ll update it in an hour. Think all the votes are in?
http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm#c-1304
NO – these are absentee ballots that were mailed in to the Registrar’s office; the ballots cast today (in person or by delivering a completed absentee ballot) must be transported to the Registrar’s office for tallying – those results should start being reported within an hour or sooner…
Is it still safe to say that all three have been recalled? I wouldn’t want to step on my own weenie or anything….
Anyone but Doug Chafeing …Anyone …Please
Grow up and stop picking on Doug. If you want to continue acting like some 11 year old snot, facebook is thataway –>
GOOD LUCK ON THE RECALL FULLERTON!
The Tres Amigos voted to put the public comments at the end of the council meeting since ALL that media was present…
They have also conveniently ommited this meeting on their website’s live vidio stream…
Only two(2) more reasons to recall those incompetents.
Jones: In
McKinley: In
Bankhead: Out
Jones and McKinley are two important key players. There is a reason why the FBI isn’t getting involved.
Connect the dots.
Good night!
Actually all three are out by at least a 65% vote…
All three are out. You douchenozzle!
Where are you getting these results when the OC election’s board is still tallying?
And what do you mean with your other comments about the FBI, etc?
Connect the dots for us why don’t you.
Nice BS there, either Reality Is or John Doe…
Just waiting for the fat lady to sing. Erin?
Grow up and stop picking on Erin. If you want to continue acting like some 11 year old snot, facebook is thataway –>
Lol! Someone has a crush! Eat shit assclown!!!
As noted above, these initial results are absentee ballots mailed to the Registrar’s office, but it’s interesting because there is a “rule of thumb” that absentee ballots reflect “conservative” votes…
The day of reckoning has arrived.
Goodbye Don, Dick, and Pat.
My understanding is that these are the initial results. Mainly the early and absentee ballots. The results should be updated through the night.
But, in any event, it’s not looking good for the three bald tires. Not good at all.
I broke all my personal records at the gym today in case I’m ever in a situation where I can punch Pat McKinley and his goon squad in the face without repercussion. It’s not likely, but you know, it’s good to be prepared.
I see Gasbag Greg and Sharon Sucky Sock are also trailing.
Tuesday, June 5th – 9:30 p.m. – first unofficial results from polling places
Tuesday, June 5th – 10:00 p.m. – second unofficial results from polling places
Tuesday, June 5th – 10:30 p.m. – third unofficial results from polling places
Tuesday, June 5th – 11:00 p.m. – fourth unofficial results from polling places
Tuesday, June 5th – 11:30 p.m. – fifth unofficial results from polling places
Tuesday, June 5th – 12:00 a.m. – sixth unofficial results from polling places (and tentative last update for the evening)
http://www.ocvote.com/results/election-results-reporting-schedule/
Results:
http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm
It is important to note that MOST of the absentee votes already counted came from elderly residents not well enough to vote in person. (i.e. the Anti-Recall crowd)
By the end of the night, I predict the recall passes by a 75% to 25% vote.
I voted absentee and I recent that elderly comment. I am not old…..
Did I say all absentee voters are old? Nope.
You did say “most” but like CG, I vote absentee and that’s for convenience 🙂
Hopefully the three stooges stayed late after the Council meeting to pack up their desks and take their pencil cups.
I bet Dick and his buddies excuse themselves from the meeting once public comment starts. Won’t the meeting agenda be completed by then? If they do, that would be total chickenshit!
In other news, let us all note that despite the faint sound of the bells of freedom ringing out in Fullerton, OC Republicans still really, truly, suck:
MITT ROMNEY (REP) 75,601 84.2%
RON PAUL (REP) 7,049 7.8%
I hate Chaffee. Just another good old boy. Come on Norby, no SSSSSSilva….
I’m actually with Snakes on this one. 65% is pretty damn good, but we can do better. I want them crushed.
Ditto John
Where the hell did Dick go? He’s off the Dais.
He voted to move public comments to the end so that he could leave before them.
And now Pat walks off! What a piece of shit.
And who the hell is breathing so hard?
Tracey,
Maybe he’s preparing to evacuate town. 🙂
One could hope…
I sure hope so John!
Tracey – I think it is Bankhead; he has been accused of falling asleep at various meetings and perhaps he has narcolepsy/sleep apnea
Bankhead probably drew the “short straw” as to which of the three of them would stay to maintain a quorum (not sure if there *is* a need for a quorum at this point, but…)
Exactly peaches. They do need three and sice Bankhead sleeps through it anyway, he probably volunteered.
So McKinley and Jones bailed?
Was this because somebody told them how the results were shaping up?
Does anyone know when the transition of the three out and the three in takes place? Is it days, weeks???
County registrar has to certify – thats 3 to 4 weeks; State Secretary of State may also have to certify
Thanks peaches. Wonder if they will preside over the next council meeting?
Looks like their having a party at Steamers.
is the video the live stream on the website? i can’t seem to locate the video button, just the agenda for the 6/5 meeting.
ooops, missed that part of the thread, what a bummer, I have Dish Network.
keep the commentary coming.
Tracey – hard to tell; next meeting is scheduled for June 19th (2 weeks) – unless, given the importance of the recall, it is certified before then; of course, if the three are recalled (OC Registrar is still only showing absentee results at 9:25 Pacific), they may not show up and then the meeting is cancelled for a lack of quorum
Oh Lord…
Go away Pam Keller.
okay – 7 of 87 precincts now posted and the percentages continue for recall! Posted at 9:30 p.m. or so Pacific
I’m kinda depressed that more people voted to not recall Bankhead since the first update. It amazes me…
Huh?
CT – the polls closed almost 2 hours ago, these are the first results from absentee ballots and a partial count of today’s ballots cast
wheres the victory party at?
Fullerton Precinct Status
http://voters.ocgov.com/polltrack-new/citydetail.asp?city=FULLERTON
I just checked your link and I am surprised that so many ballots are still at polling places and/or en route to the Registrar 2 and 1/2 hours after polls closed; we aren’t talking about taking ballots from Lancaster to Norwalk (LA County Ballots), after all! Or perhaps the updates are far behind.
I am also off to sleep and hope to awake to good news – unlike 1968.
Adios, scumbags. I wonder if the three ex-councilmembers will even their fat faces at the next meeting, or if they’ll just bail altogether. Who cares, they’re gonzo.
Now, on to Fall, because the forces of darkess are gathering for a last, hail-Mary style push. In the meantime I hope Travis, Bruce and Greg start cleaning house while they have a breather..
9:30 numbers are in. Numbers are still holding at about 65% in favor of recall.
Looks good at 2142hrs!!!!!!!!
Next update should be at 10:00 PM (22:00).
Looks like Greg Diamond spent to much time blogging.
or picking up litter
Huh? I wasn’t worrying about my campaign; I was worried about other ones. Now my campaign starts.
You lost dumbshit. It wasn’t even close.
Chaffee’s brother is speaking. OMG He stated he didn’t vote for his brother.
And it’s over.
Has anyone found out why the internet feed is out?
Something there has to know about it.
Is anyone even recording the session?
cg,
No shit. Funny thing is, I’m a registered Democrat, but I couldn’t possibly tell you what he stands for other than being a windbag and a political hack.
It appears he likes to hear himself typing and copy and paste. He stands for nothing.
http://i.imgur.com/ig5i9.jpg
Look at that picture, the guy is a grade a loser. A boy in the body of a 350 lb 50-something year old man.
It almost seems like Silva wedged that lady in between so she wouldnt be photographed standing directly next to him.
I don’t blame her either. I wouldnt want to be photographed near that sandusky-ite creep either.
“Start spreading the news….. They’re leaving today”
And don’t let the door hit you on your “ass” on the way out.
Just read in OC Register by Lou ponsi that the recall has a strong start.
Why didn’t you run Ms Fong?
On KTLA News (10:06 or so Pacific) there was a clip of a brief comment from McKinley – he essentially conceded
The web site has a countdown clock indicating that the next update isn’t until almost 10:30. As of right now…
Recall Jones: 65.7% Yes
Top vote-getter for replacement: Kiger (59.4%)
Recall McKinkey: 65.6% Yes
Top vote-getter for replacement: Chaffee (41.7%)
Recall Bankhead: 65.9% Yes
Top vote-getter for replacement: Sebourn (41.4%)
In all three cases “Yes” (recall) leads by about 2.5k votes out of 8k cast.
http://www.ocregister.com/
look at all the 6’s.
of course- the darks side’s signature as they are escorted out
Marlena, you told McKinley that you do not understand why he hired Cicinelli, a disabled person. Well… the reason you don’t understand it is because he did not hire Cicinelli, a disabled person.
Cicinelli was not listed as “Disabled” by LAPD. Many of you keep referring to him as being disabled, and he was not. Therefore, he was able to be hired by another department with a fully qualified P.O.S.T. certificate.
Cicinelli passed all of the required testing, and passed additional testing due to the shooting incident he was involved in. He passed every test given and was deemed fully qualified. All those doctors could not be wrong. Psych docs included. He worked for a year and received no salary. He was told he had to prove himself, which he did.
The city took advantage of having an officer on the street without paying him, but they couldn’t let that go on forever and they hired him.
Who do you think does the hiring for the city? The answer is.. The City Council, City Manager, City Attorney and the Chief of Police. Not one lone person. Could they all be wrong? Not!
Don’t believe everything you read on this blog. It will not serve you well to do so.
There are only so many unenlightened seniors in any particular county.
Where is Greg Diamond tonight?
Cleaning up after Summerfest???
How “Greg” is that?
I was at the party at our Fullerton Democratic HQ and have spent the last few hours crunching numbers. Why do you ask?
Marsha,
Probably blogging about how the voters are wrong.
Though I anticipate he’ll gloat about Chaffee tomorrow.
Nope — I congratulate Tony, Travis, Greg on their victories. I’m glad that Barry didn’t join them.
I guess everyone is out celebrating.
Going to bed. Trusting the preliminary votes are accurate.
Good job Everyone!
Thank you to EVERYONE who helped make this happen!
FPD just lost their gravy train. UH-OH!!!!
Let the poop continue to roll down hill.
Congrats to everyone involved in the recall, YOU smoked the 3 Amigos.
So is this what we now have to look forward to?
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/kelly_thomas_fullerton_ron_thomas_mayor.php
So I guess the master plan has now been set in motion.
Ron Thomas For Mayor!!!!
go ron
No major change, though Bankhead’s recall numbers just broke 66%.
I think this thing is done. Adios motherfuckers.
Ron Thomas has officially lost his mind if he wants to become mayor of Fullerton.
Why do you say that?
Its a free country. If he wants to run, let him.
Snake in the grass, you are out of your mind if you think we won’t vote for him!
ABC is reporting that it looks like Chaffee, Kiger and Seaborn will be replacing the dinosaurs…. great job everyone!
Don’t fuck with the people!!!!! We have spoken!!!!
Step 1 is complete.
Step 2 is convicting the thugs that have been brought up on charges.
Step 3 is the FBI laying the smack-down on those responsible for the cover-up.
I bet the three stooges don’t feel all high and mighty now. That’s right! You work for US at OUR pleasure. Not the other way around. This is a lesson they will NEVER forget.
Reckoning, be aware and study the mind of a sociopath, like these 3 scumbags, They do not possess the emotional hard wiring normal people have, they are incapable of feeling anything, Threats do not work, physical punishment does not work, they lack or have shallow fear responses do to underdeveloped emotional minds. They can stand right back up and start lying without twitching an eye. They will always be dangerous, and any relationship with them will always become damaging. They need to be isolated from the general public, so you need proof of their crimes.
Snakes,
Why?
He can take sucky sock’s seat. I don’t see a downside quite frankly.
Read the article again. He doesn’t want to be a mere councilmember, he wants to be a dictator mayor.
I feel terrible about his son, but he’s the last person who should be in that position. Has conflict of interest written all over it.
Snake eyes, I personaly hope Ron becomes Mayor, and you move out of California.
Probably on suicide watch.
Not only did Scott Walker win in Wisconsin, he got his own ass kicked locally, and all of the candidates he supported also lost.
Nope — I’m sorry about some of the results, but I had some nice surprises too (including WI State Senate 21. This is politics; you note the results, put them aside for analysis, and move on.
I’ll write about some thoughts tomorrow. Don’t hurt yourself trying to read it.
We shall overcome and we did!!!! Congratulations!!!!
I love it when a plan comes together!!!
But now that plan has to stay afloat. The city needs some big time house cleaning, like that city clerk, and city manager. Better keep them from shredding documents.
His son was murdered less than a year ago…give Ron a break!!!!
Go Ron….be King of Fullerton….Fuck em all!!!!
Ron will make a great mayor.
Snakes,
He wants a “council-mayor” city like 60% of the cities in the U.S. That’s a very common form of city government. Hardly a dictatorship.
You also can’t have a conflict of interest if you’re interest is dead. He clearly wants to come down like a ton of bricks on the FPD, but so does most of the voters (more than 65% to be precise).
I don’t know if he’ll go as far as chartership, but if he ran for sucky sock’s seat he could probably get that easily.
Ron Thomas wants Fullerton to become a charter city wherein the mayor (himself) would receive powers the City Manager currently has.
A major conflict of interest IMHO. His anger toward the City is understandable given what happened to Kelly. But his motives for running are not supportive of the residents of Fullerton, he wants to do it for himself. Plus he’s going to be getting a large settlement courtesy of us, the taxpayers, at some point in the future. There’s no way I would vote for him. Sorry.
You’re free to vote for whomever you like for whatever reason just like he’s free to run but in case you forgot, his son was brutally beaten and suffocated to death.
I thought hell would freeze over first, but I agree with Snakes.
GODDAM IT!
Ron has no experience running anything. He should stay out of politics.
Plus he doesn’t live here.
Snakes,
Actually, Greg supported Chaffee. We’ll undoubtedly hear about that tomorrow.
In that case, my bad.
Not really much to say. The result sort of speaks for itself.
Ron SHOULD get a settlement. More importantly though, he should get an apology and admission of fault. With the dinos gone, it’s time to do the right thing.
…………And flushed him twice.
Chris Thompson was right. A vote for Matt was a vote for Chaffee.
I don’t think Matt is evil. He just needs to mature a bit, show some humility, and come to terms with what he really believes (none of this “independent” BS) and run again.
I would gladly reconsider voting for him in a future election.
Fuck off ‘i pooped a matt’.
Use your real name and go fuck yourself.
Wow, that felt good to finally be able to tell you that.
to all those who said the recall will fail, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I concur!
Its a damn shame Barry Levinson didn’t win. Instead of the well spoken and well read guy, we’re stuck with the stumbling stuttering bumbling guy until next election.
Did you ever think Barry might be a mmmmm?
We don’t need anti-Semites in Fullerton, asshole. Feel free to leave. I believe the great white homeland is in Montana.
Conspicuously absent from tonight’s postings are Lisa (Trina) Cicinelli and John Doe.
Lisa and John, looks like your team took another bullet tonight.
Next order of business, the conviction of Jay Cicinelli and Manny Ramos and forfeiture of their pension plans for conviction of a felony while performing official duty.
Murder has consequences and justice will be served.
that was the 1st thing i did sent a email to friendsofakiller.org and laughed in their face
“Next order of business, the conviction of Jay Cicinelli and Manny Ramos and forfeiture of their pension plans for conviction of a felony while performing official duty. ”
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
dick-head F jones biggest loser of the nite
Good!
Gone are Jones,McKinley and Bankhead and at a loss are their cronies, hanger-ons who dined on our tax dollars given to them by our now ex-city council members.
One small town’s recall of evil men from government, one big step towards restoring the law of the land, our Bill of Rights . Tonight all people may see the individual’s rights supercede the belief that you can’t fight city hall.
brave Bushala and the good people of Fullerton rebelled against autocratic ,exploitive city council and its municipal six figure salary echelonites and returned dignity and respect to all of us. Thank you, Tony Bushala
Really Ron thomas wants to be mayor…lol If you were a better dad your kid wouldnt have been on the streets
If your parents were better you wouldn’t be such a douche
If six Fullerton police officers hadn’t beaten Kelly Thomas to death he’d still be alive.
Yeah. Your momma brought you up wrong is what it is ‘dowtown fan’.
Revelation, (6:8): “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him….”
Stfu Downtown Fan.
KTLA is reporting that Jones was heard to exclaim “I’ve had enough” as he left the dias and walking out on the meeting. Presumably because the election results had just come in.
What a piece of work.
Nothing is ever good enough for a sociopath like Jones, because sociopaths Are missing emotional attachment to anything or anyone. Life is only a game to them, and all they want to do is win no matter what. They wander through life wondering what people are getting emotional about because they are incapable of emotions like empathy, they are so shallow, they can go right back in the game and act angry, yet not feel it. The only thing a sociopath understands, is something is missing, so it drives them to become parasitic, like a council person, or a pensioner.
Sociopaths have a spectrum of emotional underdevelopement. there brains operate on a level of someone in a light sleep. Thats what its like to have no conscience, their life is like a dream, and only half real. Thats why it’s so easy for freaks like Jones to fool everyone. They learn how to act and play the game.
Acting and playing the game is the sociopath’s only survival mechanism for they have antisocial personality disorder. They can only survive as parasites; the only thing a sociopath has to offer are the scraps they leave behind unnoticed.
Congratulations to the people of Fullerton from Palm Springs. I wish I could have participated in the recall.
Final election results
Sharron Quirk
http://s13.postimage.org/cti8wua1z/silva.png
Jones
http://s15.postimage.org/oymbfv9aj/jones_bankhead.png
Bankhead & McKinnley
http://s16.postimage.org/ncafgts9x/Pat_Mckinley.png
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=184113825051032&set=a.184113791717702.36607.100003572486882&type=1&theater
Don’t forget about voting to roll back pensions, We can’t have Sellers running of with a bag of loot, nor McSociopath, who says he doesn’t lead anyway.
Vote, vote, vote, to roll back those McPensions! Unravel that monetary rope that ties all those corrupt creeps together.
Those pensions are fraudulant anyway. Find a way to make them pay the city back too.
You should change your name to Recalling monsters to restoring civility. You sound like one of those parasitic types we see all the time working for the city.
No video of last night’s meeting?
Ron vs The Mc Shineling Brothers Circus, LOL.
Lisa, have you read the morning paper yet? Jay’s next along with his pension. Kelly’s Army is not going away.
Where the heck is the FFFF celebration blog?
Where is the staff? Out getting sloshed?
At least write a paragraph or two between beers!
I know I am way late on this, kind of like a congressman standing up and making a “special orders” speech when there is no one left in the chambers.
But for you one or two fellow blog geeks, I can not resist finding humor in this all.
Chris Norby used Dave Ellis a few years ago to end the Ackerman’s political carreer. The Ackerman’s were so impressed with Dave Ellis that they hired him in the Fullerton recall to end the Ackerman’s consulting carreer.
Think of it. Acerman and Ellis can continue to go through Orange County and the Inland Empire (maybe expanding to all of California) and declare that they can confront internet blogging rabble rousers with the likes of Larry Bennet with similar results.