Former City Manager Chris Meyer Shares Wisdom; Recipients Underwhelmed
Our new city council members recently received this unsolicited e-mail from former City Manager Chris Meyer:
Council Members, you might want to consider the attached article from Oakland on police commissions/ oversight, before you decide how you want to proceed. It is very instructive on the challenges you may face. Since the procedures for disciplinary action for police officers are embodied in their labor contract (which is subject the collective bargaining process under MMB, PERB; and other State laws, as well as long established city policy), and since the current contract with the optional extension, doesn’t expire until 2014, an oversight commission would be a ineffective, and generally useless until a new contract was mutually agreed upon, or imposed unilaterally on the POA.
Instead, you may want to focus on appointing a permanent Chief of Police for the time being, and see if the problems can be resolved that way. As to the Council appointing a Chief of Police, go ahead and give it a try. It will be interesting to see how the Chief interfaces with the Council, and implements both your individual, and collective agendas. You might want to ask Shawn, Sharon, or Pam what the closed session discussion was like when the most recent Chief was selected. You will note that in the City Manager Ordinance, that the CM is required to consult with the Council on the selection of the Chief. That means that at least three Council Members need to concur with the CM’s recommendation in order for it to happen, unless of course the CM is planning on looking for a new job. For all practical purposes at least four members of the Council need to concur, as no Chief candidate will take a job on a 3/2 vote.The Council also interviews the final three candidates for the job, and can direct the appointment. Generally the CM can work with any of the top three, so the selection is responsive to the Councils direction, and desires. Finally, ask yourself this question? Do you want to be responsible for the Chief’s actions. Remember that will require you to fall on your collective swords, as well as the Chief, if something like Kelly happens again. And, just a reminder, the Chief gets POBAR protection, and presumptive clause protection for medical conditions related to the incident, or the job, so you would be gone long before he, or she would, as you would bear the ultimate responsibility.
Chris Meyer
City Manager, Retired
The part I love is the former City Manager trying to scare the new council members into the same craven cowardliness that tanked the last crew. Do you want to be responsible for the Chief’s actions?
Well, hell yes!!
Leaders lead. The poor, brainless bastards that just got recalled failed to lead. They let “the system” take charge; the result was a disaster. Comically, the otiose Meyer derives his entire screed on the premise that “things just happen.” But Meyer fails to grasp one basic truth: things just happen when nobody is in charge.
Typically, Meyer omits to remind the new council that he was in charge as the Fullerton Police Department slid down the greasy slope of corruption. Typical? Yes, indeed. The old, corrupt regime never took responsibility for its actions. And a bloated pustule like Meyer could make $200,000 a year coaching his three sawdust-brained puppets to dodge the accountability they were elected to assume.
Which is worse, the unsolicited advice from this zit, or the fact that he’s dishing out the same horseshit he did to the Three Bald Tires?
Get lost, Meyer. You raked in your greasy pile driving Fullerton into the ground. Nobody gives a damn what you think.
I don’t know what’s worse, that fat tub of crap being paid a small fortune to do squat as City Manger, or him now being…
Fuck!
“Put the thing on auto pilot while I pop some more statin drugs. Who needs leaders? I have the city’s auto pilot stuck on stupid. Lets see where she takes us.” -yeah right into the rocks-
Fortunately the prevailing winds blow the noxious odor of these families involved in failed leadership to the northernmost parts of the city where they react with the elevated ozone levels and oxides of nitrogen and impact those that are the source of this fiscal depravity. As I drive through town on my way to work, I see neighborhoods forgotten by our leaders, empty buildings, busted up roads, graffiti, unsychronized 40 year old traffic systems, dilatipdated parks and schools, and visions of elevated serum cholesterol levels of the ass clowns that voted for themselves largesse at the expense of our children. The reality of what these fools have done to our city both fiscally and morally has yet to be fully manifested. The chickens are on their way home to roost. Instead of helping change Fullerton for the better they cowardly revert to the wayward ways and means that so graciously put our residents in peril.
I wouldn’t let Meyer manage a little league team.
They’re small enough he might try to eat them.
You are a creep who thinks he’s perfect and wants a job back in Fullerton. Sir just go away. We can do good without you.
This guy really botched up our city. Remember when he tried to sneak that retroactive pension spike past the council?
For the love of God, nobody should take this fool’s advice.
NF, “Remember when he tried to sneak that retroactive pension spike past the council?” Had that spike gone through, it would have put an additional $35,000 per year in Meyer’s pocket!
Thank you Mr. Sean Nelson for blowing the lid on that scamaruni ! ! !
How does hiring your stepson to be an FPD officer fit into your agenda, Chris Meyer?
Go climb under a rock, and stay there, if you can fit.
McKinley hired him, not Meyer, and he’s a great Officer. Don’t cast your hatred where it doesn’t belong. You’ve all here yourselves, there ARE good officers at FPD, and that kid is one of them.
Get real. Why do you suppose McKinley hired him? Pat had no choice with Chris as his superior. This is why nepotism at the City of Fullerton must be stopped.
And I never said the son was a bad officer.
His stepson is a nice clean guy. Jealous?
“Nice clean guy”…??? Odd choice of words. You mean like in the Alby Al sense?
Um, that sure sounds a little weird.
Like remember his name cause he is going to go up the ladder at the police department.
Ok. I’ll make a note of that name. Wait..what IS his name dumbass?
What’s he eating in that photo? It looks like a wad of freshly killed guts.
The dipshit looks all of 45 and is retired. No doubt with his big fat pension to match his fat face and the pile of food on his plate.
Mad, complete madness how the government worker has assumed control
You are bad at guessing age. Meyer should be really happy about that.
This letter may reflect the old way of thinking that it is a bureaucrat and city employees, the city manager and police unions, who should determine the best interests of the community not the elected city council members.
Except, I sense this letter delivers two messages. the blatant message is the city manager knows best, so Fullerton’s repesentative government must throw away the interests of the community to favor the unilateral decisions of the city manager, like rubber stamp Joe Felz, the guy with no knowledge of public administration or finance.
The more subtle message is Jones, Bankhead and McKinley were not responsible for allowing and promoting Fullerton PD’s culture of corruption, and this is a lie.
Jones, Bankhead and especially McKinley are responsible for Fullerton PD’s pattern of civil rights abuses that led to a homeless, disabled man murdered by six Fullerton police officers.
Repeatedly shown are clips from city council meetings where Jones advocates for a police force that strong arms the community to keep the peace in the “wild west” downtown booze courts. McKinley, as city council member, quickly agreed to pay out millions of tax dollars to settle out of court the wrongful death of Kelly Thomas probably to avoid further public scrutiny of his police force’s actions. While police chief and city council member, McKinley quietly swept the gross civil rights abuses committed by his police force upon the community of Fullerton from public view and thus public outcry .
The sphinx, Bankhead, his public silent visage, tacitly upheld the actions of Jones and McKinley.
Meyer says “Remember that will require you to fall on your collective swords, as well as the Chief, if something like Kelly happens again.” Is Meyers embedded message that it was the city manager who approved the hiring of Mckinley then Sellers as Fullerton’s police chief, so Jones,McKinley, the retired fullerton police chief, and Bankhead are not responsible for Fullerton PD’s crimes against the community, it is Meyers and Felz? Good luck finding a legal precedent that absolves a city council for its inactions while blaming the city manager whose job is dependent on pleasing his bosses, the city council that has the power to hire and fire him or her.
Though they may not publically admit this fact, Jones, Bankhead and especially McKinley flee the scene of their crime through a recall that allows them to merely turn their backs on their crimes of theft from the taxpayers in the form of illegal taxes, condoning and promoting a police force that brutalized Fullerton’s community and gross abuse of eminent domain and redevelopment funds.
With disgust, I read Meyers outline of POBAR and his argument that the police chief has immunity from his or her leadership that leads to his or her officers molesting deatinees, beatings, perjury and eventual murder.
Meyers’s letter reflects the old regime belief that the members of Fullerton’s municiapl government along with their cronies, may do as they please to the community of fullerton. His letter is a disgusting ploy to absolve his former masters, Bankhead, Jones and McKinley of their crimes against the city of fullerton.
and this is my opinion
“The more subtle message is Jones, Bankhead and McKinley were not responsible for allowing and promoting Fullerton PD’s culture of corruption, and this is a lie.”
Yes. I agree.
“If something like Kelly happens again.” How obnoxious is that? Chris I think you meant to say “if the uncontrolled and uncontrollable cops beat and choke an innocent man to death.”
It doesn’t seem to have occurred to the bloat that what sank the last tub was having bad, undertrained cops and then not having any plan to deal with a crisis. Can you imagine Meyer and Sellers trying to deal with a real emergency?
Scary.
Actually, I’ve seen
Great analysis, Van.
Are you done..run off the mouth dude.
Meyer was the fool who negotiated all those union agreements, plus an option for the cops to unilaterally renew.
Time for som re-opener discussion with Coffman.
I just have one question. With Meyer and Coffman in the room did anybody else get anything to eat?
Meyer’s message is also that the Kelly Thomas incident is only a cost of doing business. He wants the council to plan on it happening agian, not preventing it.
This explains the culture that stayed silent, made no reforms, or fled when the incident occurred.
I like the part about “ask Shawn, Sharon, Pam.”
Haha! Throw ’em under the bus Meyer. They didn’t want to hire the greasy insider, hand-picked by the city manager (Meyer). Not that it would have made a nickel’s worth of difference.
“Finally, ask yourself this question?”
Really? A question mark? His grammar is no better than his schoolteacher mate and he made $200,000 a year.
Just sad.
The non-elected king Tony Bushala is in charge of the city and don’t let anyone forget. Decisions made based the delusional coke high of the Wizard of Oz are coming. Decisions made in direct conflict with the law and the will of the people, for this is Fullerton’s future.
Versus Mc Satan, The City’s Criminal Enterprise, the heartless Boogymen?
Like getting unsolicited directions from a blind out-of-towner.
Chris Meyers you might want to consider this article from Scranton, PA….
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/10/12659748-scranton-pa-slashes-workers-pay-to-minimum-wage
In reference to Fullerton Lovers #24-You’ve got to know this is grandstanding play by this mayor. It’s great publicity pandering to citizens’ frustrations, but all it will is further drain the city treasury in legal expenses.
Agreed.
Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. Morpheus- From “The Matrix”
1. plausible deniability
A condition in which a subject can safely and believeably deny knowledge of any particular truth that may exist because the subject is deliberately made unaware of said truth so as to benefit or shield the subject from any responsibility associated through the knowledge of such truth.
So at least three council-members have to approve the Chief? I guess Hughes better decide quickly whether he wants to fire the other three officers involved in the murder and possibly save his job, or be the next disgraced Fullerton Police Chief to exit the post.
Duh. You must be new here.
Hughes goes back to Captain if they hire an outside Chief. He’s not going anywhere.
Brandon just talks out of his ass. He doesn’t know anything.
I’d still like to hear what Captain Dan Hughes has to say to the protesters that he told that he had watched the tape over 400 times, and that once we saw the tape that we would change our minds.
I’ve seen the tape.
My mind is more certain than ever that Kelly Thomas was murdered in cold blood in a public square on the very day after we celebrated our 225th year of supposed independence from oppression and tyranny.
Because the night of the incident Hughes to all the officers involved they all had done a good job and they were all within policy. Now he is back peddling and saying the opposite. Your time will come also Hughes. He fired an officer who was told good job one year ago. Just like Ron Thomas wont go away, these officers are not going away just yet. “Political”.
sorry..told all the officers. (writing to fast).
Hughes is the dirtiest cop on the force. He has his “golden boys” do all his dirty work and then makes it all go away. He then takes care of them later. Take a good look at the officers who promote or work special assigments, they are all connected to each other one way or another…….Hey Danny, how is that guy doing you beat up last year while all drunk DT?………10-23
Yeah I have to agree with you there, really don’t know what he meant by that statement.
Chris is on the Library Board. I think he may still feel that he is a city policy maker. First off, it needs to be ‘suggested’ to ole Chris that it’s time proffer his resignation. Maybe someone on the new council might want to put someone else there. Meyers hit his peak as Jim Armstrong’s assistant back in the 1990s. I don’t see how the Council could do anything about his six-figure retirement; but, it’s time he be given an unmistakable sign that he’s out of the loop when it come to running the City of Fullerton.
Aha! Chris Meyer! The recipient of the “Assistant to the City Manager” to “Assistant City Manager” scam.
Being a loyal flunky to Armstrong paid off in spades to lard bottom. Started in the mail room. Spent his first 20 years there, then married the bosses daughter.
This idiot is a joke. A rich joke.
“Duh?”, you must be 13 or have a very limited ability to use reason and logic to argue your point, not that you have one anyone cares about. Still no answer on whether your raging anger comes from your political leanings eh? That’s ok. Most angry people do not know how to discuss things rationally without letting emotions rule them.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-362992-hughes-ramos.html
Four other officers who struggled with Thomas on the evening of July 5, 2011, leaving him fatally injured, remain on paid leave, Hughes said Tuesday. Hughes has declined to discuss any proposed discipline or the findings of an internal investigation.
So great. He only has a year to issue the discipline. Must be coming soon. All a year paid. Lucky.
Just a formality..
Fullerton lover has it right! Captain Hughes wants to be chief? Fire the 3 cronies. I am sure some of them worked with him over the past 20 or 30 years. Stop protecting Wolfe like DA Tony. Make certain all involved are fired or demoted. Don’t want to do that? Wanna cite POBAR and LSMFT and all that other alphabet soup that keeps do nothings on the force? THen Goodbye DAN!
“I may not be smart but I know Lt. Dan.” Forrest Gump
Danny already knows he will be Captain again soon. He’s ready.
Food for thought…
President Obama said last month that America can educate its way to prosperity if Congress sends money to states to prevent public school layoffs and “rehire even more teachers.” Mitt Romney was having none of it, invoking “the message of Wisconsin” and arguing that the solution to our economic woes is to cut the size of government and shift resources to the private sector. Mr. Romney later stated that he wasn’t calling for a reduction in the teacher force—but perhaps there would be some wisdom in doing just that.
Cato Institute scholar Andrew Coulson on how public school employment has soared over the past 40 years even as student enrollment has flat-lined.
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Since 1970, the public school workforce has roughly doubled—to 6.4 million from 3.3 million—and two-thirds of those new hires are teachers or teachers’ aides. Over the same period, enrollment rose by a tepid 8.5%. Employment has thus grown 11 times faster than enrollment. If we returned to the student-to-staff ratio of 1970, American taxpayers would save about $210 billion annually in personnel costs.
Or would they? Stanford economist Eric Hanushek has shown that better-educated students contribute substantially to economic growth. If U.S. students could catch up to the mathematics performance of their Canadian counterparts, he has found, it would add roughly $70 trillion to the U.S. economy over the next 80 years. So if the additional three million public-school employees we’ve hired have helped students learn, the nation may be better off economically.
To find out if that’s true, we can look at the “long-term trends” of 17-year-olds on the federal National Assessment of Educational Progress. These tests, first administered four decades ago, show stagnation in reading and math and a decline in science. Scores for black and Hispanic students have improved somewhat, but the scores of white students (still the majority) are flat overall, and large demographic gaps persist. Graduation rates have also stagnated or fallen. So a doubling in staff size and more than a doubling in cost have done little to improve academic outcomes.
Nor can the explosive growth in public-school hiring be attributed to federal spending on special education. According to the latest Census Bureau data, special ed teachers make up barely 5% of the K-12 work force.
The implication of these facts is clear: America’s public schools have warehoused three million people in jobs that do little to improve student achievement—people who would be working productively in the private sector if that extra $210 billion were not taxed out of the economy each year.
We have already tried President Obama’s education solution over a time period and on a scale that he could not hope to replicate today. And it has proven an expensive and tragic failure.
To avoid Greece’s fate we must create new, productive private-sector jobs to replace our unproductive government ones. Even as a tiny, mostly nonprofit niche, American private education is substantially more efficient than its public sector, producing higher graduation rates and similar or better student achievement at roughly a third lower cost than public schools (even after controlling for differences in student and family characteristics).
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.By making it easier for families to access independent schools, we can do what the president’s policies cannot: drive prosperity through educational improvement. More than 20 private-school choice programs already exist around the nation. Last month, New Hampshire legislators voted to override their governor’s veto and enact tax credits for businesses that donate to K-12 scholarship organizations. Mr. Romney has supported such state programs. President Obama opposes them.
While America may have too many teachers, the greater problem is that our state schools have squandered their talents on a mass scale. The good news is that a solution is taking root in many states.
I’ve never heard of a retired city manager writing a letter with advice to the council members in it. Sounds like he got a little help writing these pearls of wisdom from his friends.
http://www.voiceofoc.org/blogs/article_4d5d9cca-7d94-11df-97f8-001cc4c002e0.html
“Mayor Don Bankhead said today that Meyer has done “an outstanding job” in his eight years as city manager. “I think he reached an age where I think he wants to do something else. I have no idea what that is.”
Ha! Stick his nose where it doesn’t belong. Anybody who took this clown’s advice would be a damned fool.
Maybe Bruce Whitaker can enlighten us residents as to why the June 2010 City Council kept Chris Meyers impending retirement hushed?
Was it to usher in an unqualified insider for the City Manager position like Joe Felz, instead of opening up the hiring process and seeking more qualified candidates for the City Manager’s position?
What were they afraid that an outsider or independent City Manager would find out?
A LOT!!
Cause Bruce and Squirky are politicians. They escaped the wrath of Tony. Barely. Politicians are slick.
That Fullerton pay is at the bottom of the ranges in OC and you wouldn’t attract experienced candidates anyway? So why not save 20k plus the recruitment costs?
But now im convinced ANY other Department Head would have been better and certainly of higher integrity than Felz.
City Councilman Travis Kiger said it was his understanding that Ramos was fired.
Ramos’ attorney, John Barnett, said he was unaware that his client had been dismissed from his job and could not comment.
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?article=10259481
Ramos’ attorney, John Barnett, went on to say he was unaware of his client’s existence and could not commit on the pending trial.
How funny Ramos nor Barnett know this happened.
Sorry past tense..It was cause I was just talking to them.
I dont speak english no good. bullet make mush brain. Mmmm!
The best is yet to come…
I go being back patrol streets. Fullerton. Mmmm! Safer
you sound like an idiot.
My teacher for both fourth and fifth grade at Golden Hlls was Mrs. Catlin, who I am now lead to believe is Chris Meyer’s mother-in-law?
I have to tell you that talk of shielding oneself from responsibility for one’s own decissions would not have flown in her classroom in the 1960’s.
Since your in such close contact with ramos, why don’t you tell that unemployed bum to go out and look for a job. Thats the Karma truck that just flattened your fat ass. You and the others aint’ seen nothin yet!
How do you know he doesn’t have one. Dont flatter yourself in knowing what’s up.
I know your head is up your ass.
Ooohhh..and that feels good too. You should try it.
If you minions on this blog do not comdem doughcineli, don’t ever again say anything about the things said about the Thomas family, you just lost that right!!!!!!!!!!!
Kiger is starting off really well. Is he just stupid or what? Does he not know that he is not allowed to say that a city employee has been fired?
What a complete idiot Kiger is! He is the same idiot who was calling the officers homes in the middle of the night and leaving threatening messages until his work found out about it. He’s so stupid and he wasn’t even shot in the face.
Recall Kiger!!!
“he is not allowed to say that a city employee has been fired?”
Says who? It looks like he doesn’t give a damn about what you think he’s allowed to say.
The above letter from Meyer underlines the danger when public officials know the ins and outs of all kinds of laws, regulations, and cantracts but have left openess, honesty, integrity, and common sense aside.
I think the issue is, Hog, that then notion that a City Councilman can not tell the simple truth of common interest to the citizens needs to be tested. The provisions of POBAR need to be tested against the citizens right to know.
Good start Kiger…Recall!!!
The difference between Doughcinelli’s comments and the people who defend murderers, is he was joking around, all be it in poor taste. You, JD, Lisa, and several others, are dead serious when you try to explain why Kelly Thomas deserved to be beat to death, and how the Thomas family somehow contributed to the six cops murdering/allowing him to be murdered that night. Not even in the same ballpark.
I didn’t say he deserved to be beaten to death. All I said is that he died of natural causes. Get over it. He was a sick guy and his heart couldn’t take the take down. He shouldn’t had resisted See it for what it is, an accident.
Cost of business?
Lol @ Ramos finding a job. That’s the funnies shit I’ve heard in awhile.
Go ahead and laugh..who cares. Believe in yourself.
Oh, don’t worry, there’s a job out there for everyone. Soon enough, I’m sure he’ll be seen pushing one of those little ice cream carts around.
It’s a decent job, it’s better than being MittRomneysDog.
I never said it was a bad job. Indeed, the Ice Cream Man is very well loved, especially by toddlers like you.
Look, here he comes now – always smiling, ringing his bell, a veritable cornucopia of frozen delights at his disposal. Drumsticks, Fudgsicles, 50/50 Bars too. Coming to your town, to take you by your smelly little hand down to that eucalyptus grove at the end of the street, where he’ll show you how the Push-Up was *REALLY* invented.
Kelly Thomas is dead as a result of his arrogance and lack of self-discipline and failure to respect authority, of any kind.
He got what he asked for. He was given a commaand in the form of a question. He failed to comply. He was given a command in the form of a demand, he failed to comply. He was then made to comply by Officer Ramos.
He was asked..
He was told..
and then he was made…
to do what they asked. If he had complied with one, just one of those commands he would be alive today. So there is no one to blame but himself and the way he was raised to disrespect authority.
These ffff idiots don’t get that simple explanation and would never pickup a weapon and stand a post!
More people on this blog have fought for this country that you’d like to admit.
You’re a poopy loser. You reign supreme on your pile of feces.
Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die?
Yes…it’s about time arrogant people received the death penalty damn it!
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU AUTHORITARIAN TYRANNICAL SCUM!
Killing people for disrespecting “authority” is what you see in tyrannical nations like Iran, North Korea, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan not America.
You do not represent anything the country stands for, GET OUT NOW!
Ramos gone. Cicinelli next, however he gets to keep his $47,900 per year disability payment as well as his pension. Not bad for patrolling with one eye. He even made corporal for bein a good supporter of the union.
Anonymous II: My fervent hope is that you become a schizophrenic! Then you will understand (maybe) why your post is so plain unfounded and dumb!
Oh no, it is not unfounded. And you wishing me to be a schizo, well isn’t that special. That makes you the sicko here.
I hope all the officers involved get millions of $$$$ from you. And if you say you are not a Fullerton resident and it won’t affect you, then you don’t have a right to say anything.
Tuco, there is something much worse than being mentally ill. That is having no regard for human life. Lisa/Anon seems to think police officers are WWII Gestapos that can terminate a life for non obedience. Well let her think it and spew it on here if it makes her feel better. We all know the truth. Those six officers would all be in prison right now if they had not committed the crime while disgracing, I mean wearing, the badge. No matter how easy the system let’s them off, they have to live with the guilt of beating a man to death for no reason or for allowing it to happen. Their children have to explain to people for the rest of their lives why their daddies beat a man to death for fun. And they also have to figure out how they are going to support their families after they get out of prison/are fired in the case of the other three (Wolfe will be facing charges soon). While I don’t wish death upon anyone, even cold-blooded murderers, I would not be surprised if Cicinelli committed suicide and Ramos was beat to death in prison. They may be big shit in Fullerton, but they will be nobody’s in Wasco or San Quentin, or Folsom, or wherever the hell they end up. The toss up between isolation for 4+ years and being raped/beaten by inmates who despise murderous cops is a tough choice. With all this to think about I almost feel bad for these guys. I wonder if all of this could had been prevented if someone had cared enough to get Cicinelli and Ramos the psychological counseling and anger management they needed before July 5th, 2011. But of course they were adults and made the decisions that led to their own demise.
I really appreciate the postings of Lisa, John Doe, and the various anonymousii, even if one or two are just trolls. I want to know what they think and feel.
Many of the key lessons of my life stem from debates that I have been involved with or have witnessed. One of these was the running debate between the Brow and Hume family in high school and beyond. This included my older brother’s total frustration with Mary Hume, my perplexity at the tactics of Snow Hume, and then watching how my younger brother could turn the tables on Snow Hume in an arguement.
There was also the debate witnessed by my 14-year-old self and my 16-year old cousin when by my opinion, my 16-year-old brother showed that he could out-think my 18-year-old cousin Rusty at will.
Then there were the Brow/Einstein transactions.
Ron Thomas and I are different in significant ways.
Ron Thomas had a 37-year-old stepson in 2011 who was mentally impared with schitzophenia who frequented Fullerton. In 2011, my stepson was 37 years old , mentally impared with panic disorders and out of this world ADDH, and had family who lived in, and even to an extent, owned Fullerton.
From an early age, I taught my stepson how to view the law and to view how the police would react to him. This was greatly aided by the fact that the neighbor in our facing condo was a member of Fullerton’s finest (last I knew, an investigator for OCDA).
I remember one day when my stepson was attacking his little sister and I had to go out to do yet another rescue. I physically brought my stepson into our patio and had him pinned to the ground by his neck as he told me that he would hit his sister anytime he wanted. As I told him that if he wanted the world to run on who was the biggest and baddest, that I was bigger than he, the door to our facing condo creaked open.
My stepson then threatened to call the police on me. I answered, “Fine. There is a 6’2” cop with a gun listening to eveything you are saying right now. Simply call out for help, he will come and take you to Albert Sitton Home, and the courts will sort the entire situation out.
My son relented. FPD officer Doug Kennedy (no relation to Rusty or Sharon) never spoke a word to me about the incident nor acknowledged that it had occurred, although I know that he was prepared to intervene if he thought appropriate.
Doug Kennedy rose in law enforcement as creme rises to the top. One one occasion, he opined on the average Fullerton cop, deliniating on how he was not average.
I have warned my son that not all cops are like Doug. I have warned hm not to act too crazy in public because there are cops out there who would interpret his actions as a threat and kill him. And there would be nothing that I, the Director of the Orange County Human Relations Commission, nor the Publisher of the Fulleton Observer could do to stop the bullet or the baton.
After all, those of us with IQ’s of 130 or more hire cops to be prepared to use their guns to kill someone to protect some of us from something.
I am thankful to Lisa, et al, for supporting what I told my son and for attempting to define the criteria for which a suspect deserves to be executed by cops on the street.
This happens in reality, does it not, Reality Is?
Is there anyone who would contest my analysis?
Van? Rusty? Sharon? Dan? Tony? Travis? Bruce Whitaker? Bruce Praett? Micah? anyone?
Anger management. I think that should be one of your priorities. Settle down, you are gonna pop a vein.
You laid some particularly large poops today. Hope you didn’t bust that vein on your forehead pushing them out.
lord is there a bigger twat alive. stfu bitch
I’m slightly confused by the following excerpt:
“Do you want to be responsible for the Chief’s actions. Remember that will require you to fall on your collective swords, as well as the Chief, if something like Kelly happens again. And, just a reminder, the Chief gets POBAR protection, and presumptive clause protection for medical conditions related to the incident, or the job, so you would be gone long before he, or she would, as you would bear the ultimate responsibility”
As the former City Manager did he not advise the city to have D&O insurance to protect the council from non-criminal negligence?
the difference, this council would not cover it up to start with? guess he thinks everyone is corrupt
WATTA OINK OINK OINK!
Nah, my anger is under control JD. I just have to stay away from arguing with mean spirited people. And mittromney’s dog is probably living large.
Exactly, take a chill pill. It’s not your problem. Until next time or tomorrow.
But speaking of needing anger management. Man, 9c1 really made you show your true colors tonight. Being a domestic abuse survivor is nothing to be ashamed of. It you want help for yourself, your children, or whomever, I can get you some numbers.
We all loose our cool once in awhile. I just hate cops who talk shit on other cops when they dont know. But, I got over it. He is just an ahole.
You’re right, we do….He seems like a knowledgable, respectful person who presents unbiased info.