Hail to the Chief!
Fullerton has a new mayor, Bruce Whitaker.
Bruce is the obvious choice to lead Fullerton – he is calm, intelligent and principled. After a year of rambling, southern fried idiocy that was completely MIA, and then another year of pea-brained, pedagogic scolding we are now set for a strong, responsive, and responsible mayor.
We all know that during the past eighteen months Whitaker has stood up for accountability from an out-of-control FPD Culture of Corruption, and justice for Kelly Thomas, a homeless man murdered by members of a police department that subsequently tried to hide the whole mess. I also did a little background check on Bruce’s history of activism in Fullerton. It is impressive.
Whitaker became involved in Fullerton politics in 1993 when the newly minted City Manager, Jim Armstrong tried to strong arm an unnecessary utility tax. Naturally, the antiquated liberals, RINOs and former public employees on the City Council went for it. Bruce and a handful of compadres organized to recall Bankhead, Catlin and McClanahan, and, ultimately get the tax repealed. Fullerton did just fine without it.
After the County bankruptcy in 1994, Whitaker plated an important role in organizing resistance to the usual “break it and tax you” model of government. The big government crowd tried to get a new sales tax to pay for their own disaster. That too, failed.
Subsequently Bruce has had a distinguished record as a appointed office holder in Fullerton, a conservative watch dog, and a determined foe of abusive Redevelopment. He was elected to the Council in 2010.
From what I’ve seen Bruce is the real deal – a man for whom the concept of “freedom friendly” has nothing to do with the Curt Pringle-like crony capitalism that passes for conservatism in Republican Orange County.
Congratulations, Bruce. We’re counting on you to look out for the interests of the citizens and taxpayers over the interests of the public employee unions.
Good post.
For me Bruce hit it out of the park when he shut down the chucklehead “Detective” Ron Bair.
“My demand stands!”
Priceless!
Yep, no southern-fried nonsense or scolding teacher.
It should be a fun year. Bruce can show them how it’s done.
Finally some good news.
“… and then another year of pea-brained, pedagogic scolding”
Nothing like starting this off with the right tone. For what it’s worth, I’m happy to see Whitaker take his turn as Mayor. Good luck to him in bringing people together.
So glad you approve. Now the Free World can rejoice.
Which Anonymous are you? It’s so hard to keep track.
After what has happened, 20 children dead, 6 adults dead, I am rethinking our homeless problem in Fullerton. Sorry screw their civil rights, if they are sick, lock them up. We can’t afford them running loose. Give them the meds they need. Mayor Whitaker, our saftey and the childrens saftey is in your hands and the rest of the council. This might be just a knee jurk, but shit happens.
Shit does happen. It happens to be spewing out of your keyboard with that post.
yep it does. Do you live in w. Fullerton? I don’t think so…..Have you seen the library lately?
You are finally seeing the homeless problem. Took you long enough. Fullerton is Bum City U.S.A
It’s ridiculous.
“You are finally seeing the homeless problem”.
What a statement. Yes. we do know. I see it everyday at Commwealth and Orange Ave. They all run to the satilite recycle center. Just a hop from the library……This has been going on for years.
Being homeless is not a crime.
Where have you been cg? The library has been like that for years. Funny how we’re oblivious to other’s problems until they become ours.
I don’t know whether to laugh or weep at this.
Why don’t you just try shutting up for once in your miserable existence.
Because the likes of you won’t address it. Let me see, did you post a reply to it? No, you did not.
“Fred,” I seem to be getting to you more than I’m trying to. Relax a bit.
Try getting a job and paying taxes as your fair share to the worker’s paradise you desire.
Work. What a concept!
Fred collects welfare. It’s the cool thing to do.
Nice post cg, maybe you can give us your insight into just WHO would be making the decisions on who would be locked up and fed a perpetual IV of psychotropics? just remember someone might just think it’s not safe to have YOU running around loose. When are people like cg going to see the connection between these “MEDS” and the mass killings that are rampant these days?
And “out of respect for the victims,” the drug companies aren’t running ads anywhere near this media coverage. Translation: the companies don’t want to encourage the public to make the connection between meds and murder.
Prozac, murder. Zoloft, murder. Paxil, murder. Ritalin, murder.
I’m just saying
Dear Info Warrior: Is’s the nutcases, not the drugs that are the murderers. True, the drugs may not do what they are supposed to do all the time; but they do far more good than bad. I’m sure you’ll be able to rattle off a string of links to say I’m dead wrong. Go ahead, have some fun!
Just remember, every drug mentioned can push a bi-polar patient into mania if not offset with a mood stabilizer. Too many incomplete diagnoses out there.
> I am rethinking our homeless problem in Fullerton. Sorry screw their civil rights
I’m thinking we pre-emptively jail all loner white males between the ages of 17-24 who play video games and local governments should be allowed to monitor all internet activities, text messages and phone calls for key words to prevent these things from happening.
As for the homeless they should be removed from the streets and sent to camps where they can be allowed to be productive members of society. The ones that are mentally ill should be assigned a state guardian who can decide if its appropriate for them to volunteer their persons for medical tests.
Finally, the possession of a gun outside of hunting regions should require a 15 year minimum sentence. Seriously, who needs a gun in Orange County?
I hope the new Mayor takes myself and cg’s commendations to heart. We’ve had way too many gun related tragedies in this country partially due to mental illness.
Our children are our most valued treasures, we have to protect them at all costs even if it means violating the rights of those who are lesser than us.
What’s all this about linking homelessness with this shooting!
The shooter was an autistic 20 yr old from an affluent household. He simply went into a rage, over what, we’ll never know. Homelessness has nothing to do with THIS discussion.
congradulations to Bruce Whittiker. I believe he represents the community of fullerton as a whole from the hills to the streets. He is very approachable and willing to take the time to talk to people to understand and serve the community.
Unless you have opposing views.
I think he is a rude cocky MaFkr. Who gets red like a tomato when he is mad.
So Mickey, it sounds like you interact with him? We all know he’s a little cocky. What are you trying to tell us?
Nothing rude about Bruce. You must be confusing him with Sergeant Bonghit, or Detective Bare.
So Alcazar what are you? A Bruce ass licker?
Bruce, your steadiness and sound thinking are appreciated and needed. Thank you for your commitment to this community. Be encouraged; many support you in prayer and otherwise.
He should have plenty of time to be Mayor now that it’s his only job.
Amen to that!!
MICKEY, have to ask what is your
God like, is the Ten Commandments a “TO DO LIST” 🙂
I am equally impressed. I reached out to him recently and he’s agreed to meet with me. I hope he truly is in charge bcuz this wknd I heard from a source Felz said, ” I run this city, I’m in charge.” This conversation took place with my source and Felz. Felz was offended when he was told the new city council will make changes for the better.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with Felz that would suggest to me that he’d talk like that. I realize that you probably intend to keep your source a closely guarded secret — so, I just thought I’d remind you that you’ll be giving him or her up when you’re deposed.
has always been Benjamin’s problem. That’s what my source tells me.
Jesus, don’t you ever quit?
Oh and congrats to Barry Coffman for being re elected as FPOA president. One person tried to run against him but the FPOA came up with a new rule saying you now need a VP running mate…unbelievable.. Continue charging your members $55 a month bcuz the people I talked to at LDF say they only charge FPD $37.50.
You sure seem to “talk to” a lot of people Benjamin.
Actually, they give me the info bcuz it’s well known I’ll say something about it. Why don’t you, if you want to be transparent, talk about the Sgt that just got caught lying and Hughes is trying to cover that up. Why don’t you talk about the Mexican officer Crum just tried to screw over and when the officer threatened to sue Crum folded bcuz you can’t make policy as you go and apply it to who you want. And ask Crum why when referring to KT said, “that’s what happens when you fight with the police.” I’m glad I saved that assignment sheet with the 25+ people who heard it. Why don’t you ask why all 3 captains have bachelor/master degrees from Sellers’ weekend CSULB management course held at the FPD briefing room. I actually went to CSUF after high school and earned my degree. Should I continue or do you want avoid the obvious and start talking about my personal life?
I never mentioned your personal life. Why so sensitive about it?
If you’re case was so strong, then you’d let your attorney do the talking and the media would be all over it.
In every story I’ve read about you, and in the interview recorded with The Fullertonian, you’ve given no specifics, referring to “sources”, vague events, giving no verifiable details, etc.
You’ve been a whiner for a very long time, “leaking” supposed stories to FFFF. And just what was the purpose of posting the location and time of the FPD Christmas party, other than to put the safety of FPD officers at risk, including your supposed friends who still work there?
You’re a shit stirring asshole who’s been arrested for domestic violence on a couple of occasions (according to posters here, anyway). You know you don’t have much of a wrongful termination case, so your serving up a bunch of cold bullshit to an audience of cop haters who are more than willing to lap up it without using a critical eye to properly evaluate your claims.
Whiners and shit stirrers don’t get promoted ANYWHERE, including police departments. And nobody likes working with people like that ANYWHERE. Given the almost complete lack of anyone posting with your station identifier to show their “support” of you, I’m guessing not many of your co-workers liked you.
Why is it that when I do a Google search on you the only thing other than Kelly Thomas and you breaking the supposed “blue code of silence”, the only thing I see is one vehicle theft recovery officer of the year award? Any cop with a 17 year career that is out there doing his job will be mentioned in at least one Appellate case, newspaper articles about solving big cases, etc……you are not. You sound lazy.
Put up or shut up. By law, you have access to your entire personnel file. Why don’t you post it in its entirety so people can judge your credibility for themselves?
The threshold for officer discipline, including termination, is not “beyond a reasonable doubt”. The circumstances related to your arrests no doubt provided FPD with enough evidence to justify termination of a whining, shit stirring, lazy officer with poor work habits who was unliked by both fellow officers and command staff.
Post your entire personnel file and let’s get the whole picture on “Honest Ben Lira”.
****yawn, lol.. Time will tell and show everything. I’m in no rush.. You guys will be wearing green by the time this is all settled
Having worked in personnel which included dealing with LEO personnel files, there were a few exclusions as to what the employee and/or rep could see.
DISCLAIMER: This is based on my experience with another public agency and may not apply to Fullerton (which seems to “skirt” legality frequently – my opinion).
“And just what was the purpose of posting the location and time of the FPD Christmas party, other than to put the safety of FPD officers at risk,”
At risk from whom? Each other? Ho ho ho! LOL!!
While you’re at it, why don’t you also post a copy of the police reports related to your arrests? Why not sue for false arrest?
Also, in the interests of full disclosure, who is/will be paying your attorney fees for the wrongful termination case? Contingency attorneys only provide their time for free….the plaintiff still needs to pay all court costs, court reporter fees, expert witnesses, subpoena fees, etc., and they will be substantial for your supposedly large subpoena list.
I’ll flat out ask right now….is it Fat Tony?
The topic is Whitaker being chief! I’m gonna try and stay on topic and agree with the post/article. I don’t care what you think of me. Why don’t you go back to defending your members instead of the corrupt FPD mgmt and reporting back everything on this blog like Goodrich did with Hamilton and Hughes. Plus I don’t care about accolades. Especially when Coffmans career can be summed up with being a lazy ten year patrol officer who slept every night on duty then all of a sudden makes homicide detective bcuz he’s drinking buddies with the new supervisor of the detail. And as the most senior homicide investigator, including your new sgt, lies on KFI and says, “I’m not privy to that information.” I guess your not privy to Cheblowski calling in Ramos 3 times on his day off either and telling him what to change on the report. Worked out for those guys; they got promoted. And one day if you can pass a sgt test you can too be promoted with your cronies.
Just like your interviews, you change the subject as soon as a pointed question is asked.
You trolls never have any meat in your arguments.
“Eyes are the windows to your soul”
As ACU said there is another log on the fire, and the pressure is high since tomorrow is a Council meeting, you are stupid for taking on News media with cards that you have played!!!!!
I’ve hired attorneys before on a contigency basis and have never paid any of the costs you mentioned up front.
Ugh, I’ll say it again. In 2009 I got cited for assault. Anyone with any knowledge in DV laws knows u can’t be cited for DV unless maybe the victim was drunk, lying and tried to take the keys out of a moving car i was driving and that was the basis for the case. On 10/9/12 I got arrested in Las Vegas bcuz my wife came home drunk at 3am and I was like wtf?!? Are u serious. Cops came and said ur wife is going to jail for scratching you but then a detective said no, Ben started it bcuz at 3am he asked her where she was at, thus he started it. Then I get a letter from the DA saying charges wouldn’t be filed.. I gave this letter to Sgt GED Diaz and all of a sudden two days later the DA filed the case!!! When I went to court last week the judge said, “I can’t help but side with Mr Lira, what’s going on?” The DA’s response was, ugh, I don’t know I just got this case and whoever filed the case is unknown bcuz the signature on the complaint is just a scribbled line.. Anything else you want to know? I once got suspended in 7th grade for fighting? Would you like to know about that too?
Mr Lira are you still armed or have you turned in your weapons?
Your comments here worry me. If you still have weapons please do the right thing and turn them in for the sake of everyone around you.
I didn’t ask for your version of the arrests…..I asked for the police reports. Seems to me you don’t have much credibility.
Also, you never answered whether Fat Tony is paying your attorney fees.
Are you addressing me — or Jesus?
I’ll quote Bob Dylan for you, loser:
I said, “You know they refused Jesus, too”
He said, “You’re not Him
“Are you addressing me — or Jesus?”………. Hmmmmm
I believe that Jesus was not a stupid Jew and Tatar posting crapola on the internet..
“you’ll be giving him or her up when you’re deposed”…….. Hmmmm
Wrong! Golem, I am sure that you believe that in the civil case you can’t plead 5Th. but you are wrong!
Of course. These people/officers know this and it’s the only way they will talk. My subpoena list is gonna be very long.
OK, Stanley, let’s see you play that scenario out. Opposing counsel asks him “to whom were you referring as your source in this blog comment?” And he says — what, exactly? He pleads the Fifth??
Felz has a year left on his contract. He is one of the worst city managers in the OC. His time has come to look for another position in another city. Bell has an opening!
Its really ironic that just 2 miles south of Fullerton is Disneyland, said to the most perfect City in the world. The security, cameras, and infrastructure.
Oops to “BE” the most perfect.
Orange County and Fullerton should get Federal funds for the homeless, they are here because of the weather most other places they would not last in the cold. The National Guard Armory helps but is not nearly enough. Just like the way the Coast Guard is provided for by Federal funds.
Whtaker can manage the agenda and put a leash on Felz who is really just a huge boohoo and cop licker.
You left out a word. Decency.
When the Three Bald Tires were in hiding and the idiot Quirk was babbling about socks, Whitaker went to the Kelly Thomas service and stood up for basic human decency, an emotion totally lost on Hughes, Felz, Flory and Chaffee who were hiding behind their drawn shades.
The cops hate Whitaker for that and will NEVER forgive him for being a decent man.
Please, the FPD hates everyone, but themselves. That is very clear. They could careless about Fullerton residents. We residents are just a paycheck. That’s how I see it.
When his lawyers win his case, New York Officer will take over Sellars college classes. 🙁
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New York police officer charged with plan to cook, eat women
NEW YORK ——
A New York City police officer was charged Thursday with conspiring to kidnap, torture, cook and eat women whose names he listed in his computer.
In a criminal complaint unsealed in Manhattan federal court, Gilberto Valle III, 28, of Forest Hills, Queens, was charged with conspiring to cross state lines to kidnap the women and with illegally accessing a federal database.
The charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-new-york-cop-20121025,0,7551636.story
He will also get a cookbook deal, a few hundred supporters as possible entrees. 🙂
True that. Especially when I hear that these same officers who have run their own and our cities reputation into the ground, under the choreographed leadership of bovine Barry, have just allowed for their own election to be as fixed as the one that was recently held for city council.
“Hail to the Chief!”……….. Hmmmmmm
The question is is the Chief gone goosestep with the ACLU “progressives” or will he defend the constitution?
The children are dieing because the Christmas is dieing too.
The new pictures which are cumming from the Connecticut shows the Christmas trees allover the school and city property.
Where is the illusive separation of Church and state?
Were is the ACLU with the bulldozer?…….. you leftist cowards?
The Christmas is about the birthday of a child.
The ACLU is about the abortion of a child.
So you left-liberal-ACLU-supporters, you should be happy that Adam Lanza performed for you 20 of the “partial birth abortions” which he retroactively performed as the “full term abortions”.
He is your and Obama’s Planed Parenthood hero!
When the Charisma and the Ten Commandments died in public square the children start dieing too.
Since 1970, I can’t recall any such big tragedy perpetrated by the children against the children like Columbine or Connecticut prior to forceful removal of the Cross, Charisma-tree and Ten Commandments by the ACLU from public places which started in late 80’s.
Perhaps some of you can refresh my memory.
So Chief Bruce Whitaker, put the Christmas Tree where it belongs right in front of the City Hall and Ten Commandments including “I shell not Kill”
You may skip the one which is about fucking your neighbor’s wife.
Bruce Whitaker is a good, decent, honest man with significant knowledge of how government runs. His understanding of Sacramento will be critical in knowing where to possibly get Fullerton additional resources, while maintaining a commitment to not dig into the pockets of residents, because lawsuits are going to be draining your General Fund for many years to come. Fullerton is incredibly lucky to have Whitaker, he is the perfect leader to pull the city through the upcoming storm. Best of luck to him, he has taken on a job you could not pay me any amount of money to do-fix the insane fuck-up of past leadership. God bless that poor man, Bruce has an enormous undertaking to manage. And may God help poor Linda to help Bruce after a day at City Hall dealing with these morons. He has the perfect partner for this project.
I totally agree with you Cynthia. We are blessed to have someone as knowledgeable, and asprincipled as Bruce Whittaker.
If any Fullerton residents had been paying attention this past fall at the council meetings, they would have been treated to a very impressive goal line stand to the of the FPOA and it’s lackeys, Doug Chaffee and SSSSharon Quick SSSSilver trying to ramrod acting-Chief Dan Hughes down our collective throats before Benjamin Lira’s accusations about Dan Hughes lack of integrity, leadership, cronyism, and corruption became public.
What really creeped me out, was Dan Hughes using Captain Crum to recruit residents to speak on Dan Hughes’ behalf during the public comments section during the City Council meeting.
Speaking of bankruptcy… this is ABSURD!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-17/highest-paid-california-trooper-is-chief-banking-484-000.html
Congrats Bruce! Looking forward to seeing you lead this city. Your qualifications are impressive. No one even comes close to you. Don’t listen to the haters. We all know they hate transparency and reform at FPD.
The City Manager named Captain Dan Hughes as Acting Chief of Police in January 2012. Staff received direction to include an agenda item for City Council discussion regarding entering into negotiations with Acting Chief Hughes for the position of Chief of Police.
Recommendation by the City Manager’s Office:
Pleasure of the City Council.
http://cityoffullerton.com/weblink8/2/doc/507988/Page1.aspx
FPD can pick almost anyone to be the chief but instead they don’t even do an outside search for one? There’s plenty of people that would apply, and heck even tell the candidate your job might only be two years bcuz we might contract with the Sheriff. But no, Hughes is Felz’ puppet and what Felz says Hughes does. Funny how after I leaked my email to Felz I saw Hughes and Felz at a local restaurant and they left when they saw me. The waitress said Felz and Hughes come in once a week and Felz gets two coors lights and Hughes drives him home in his black Crown Vic city vehicle… Folks, whether true or not if I was the city manager and got an email like I sent him Hughes would be in my officer sooner then I could hit print . But no, What does Felz do? They go out to dinner and have a beer. If they only knew who’s ex girlfriend serves them every time they go to that restaurant
WHAT restaurant?
WHICH server?
Oh yeah, that’s right, “sources”. Another vague allegation by a dim bulb. Why not name both and let a journalist investigate?
You really want a new outside Chief that’s willing to give up seniority to only have a possibly temporary job for two years in this economy and job climate? Yeah, lots of people will be breaking down the doors to get in.
Idiot.
Super mex. Do the math. And my co worker witnessed the same thing. He a liar also? You muddy the waters just so danny can get the job. What does an outside persons seniority have to do with taking the job? As far as I’m concerned Lt Goodwrench, LT Cheblowski and Captain Crum did us all favors by getting promoted bcuz they’re now probationary employees/ at will employees..So appoint Hughes and he’ll be in the same position. So there poof, just like that the mayor can launch an investigation which i will FULLY cooperate, and i’ll tell them who to really talk to..Then take action, 4 gone, an outside person put in charge and let’s clean this place up. And lastly the cops taking a 10% pay cut. I’ve always said our pay is “cyclical” I’m no economist but the real college I went to taught me when the economy is good everyone gets paid good; cops, fireman, realtors, etc. when the economy sours the unions are the last ones’ to adjust. A true union with a real leader would know this and work with its citizens. And you better believe I will be at city council meetings once Felz and Hughes lift my ban on being on city property.
Any other questions Barry, Andrew, ski or Jason?
“my co worker” “the source” blah blah blah.
Yes, I have another question.
For the third time, and I’ll rephrase it a bit, is Fat Tony paying any of your attorney fees or otherwise providing financial support to you?
Tony hasn’t given me a dime nor do I want any of his money. Any other questions? Your shift is over in an hour, I’d hate for you to blog on your own time……
I’ve seen Felz in SuperMex on more than one occasion talking with City Officials so I tend to believe Lira.
You mean a personnel file created and maintained by the corrupt ones?
That would be the same people who allowed the coppers involved in the KT murder to work an additional 4 weeks before they threw them under the bus.
And we cannot forget ALL the other FPD cases that have come onto the PUBLIC radar.
So like you FPD clowns did within short oder of KT murder INSTEAD of dealing with the obvious YOU ASSHOLES started throwing darts on KT’s past.
Then you all started on Ron Thomas and ANYONE else who came in here with a REASONABLE explanation that countered FPD’s version of events.
NOW you do the samething with Lira, the cats OUT of the bag and here comes the LIRA is the bad guy crap.
YOU scumbags at FPD can only fight the good fight when the numbers are in your favor and in your arena ie the city limits.
OTHEWISE is Mr.Bad Ass behind the keyboard.
Go eat a donut Coffman, take your CORRUPT minions with you.
Don’t talk shit about Lira when YOU didn’t step up to the plate and call BULLSHIT on Hughes after he threw YOUR own under the bus.
“IT WAS LIKE A FEEDING FRENZY, LIKE PIRANHA!!!!” -Eye Witness, July 5th, 2011
In the bigger picture its a feeding frenzy on the “LIFE, BLOOD and SOUL of the City!!!”
Lira is done. Weak sauce like ACU. Lira played his cards wrong. He had his chance. Long gone now.
Hey Barney you don’t even know me pal. Shows how you FPD boys throw a dart hoping is sticks.
Bruce puts the rights of citizens and taxpayers first. The Fullerton city government’s purpose is to serve the community and not the other way around. I know Bruce gets it and we will see soon enough if the others ever will.
No Mr.Diamond he might just refuse to answer the question, make you get a motion to “compel” him to answer the question from the court.
Give up a name of a sourse just to see them retaliated against, I’d show you my finger Mr.Diamond right in the depo.
And you would get a finger back!? Or up your ass? Lol GED Fred.
Hey Barney you let me know there brave boy in blue.
I’d love to have one of you FPD boys far away from you home turf play bad ass enlight of all that has happened.
Your desperation is showing there. Now go get on your knees and hope to get promoted.
You are talking to your old friend O’Malley. please stop.
LOL prolly, but he is still a punk in blue.
I’d love to have the admin screen for a couple of days and play match the IP address to these clowns.
I could have fun with that for days.
Day Off O’Malley.
That’s about how it would play out. Except you left out the part about opposing counsel getting awarded fees as part of the motion to compel.
This is one example of why I was surprised to see him commenting here. Keep goading him along, though; I’m sure that someone is taking notes.
Many people are taking notes. Lira isn’t real smart.
I’m really shocked at this. If he has a lawyer, the lawyer must not know.
FYI the blogging is very low credibility evidence.
NO Stanley, it might depend on WHO the writer is and what their saying. YOUR wrong on that one sir.
“YOUR wrong on that one sir”……….. Hmmmmmm
There are 1,000,006 case laws like this one.
Global Telemedia International, Inc. v. Doe 1, 132 F. Supp. 2d 1261, 1267 (C.D.Cal., 2001). Here, the general tenor, the setting and the format of [the] statements strongly suggest that the postings are opinion. The statements were posted anonymously in the general cacophony of an Internet chat-room in which about 1,000 messages a week are posted about [the particular company]. The postings at issue were anonymous as are all the other postings in the chat-room. They were part of an on-going, free-wheeling and highly animated exchange about [the particular company] and its turbulent history. . . . Importantly, the postings are full of hyperbole, invective, short-hand phrases and language not generally found in fact-based documents, such as corporate press releases or SEC filings.
Thanks Stanley, I’ll maintain my position on CERTAIN people posting CERTAIN comments can be sought out as a witness, or a person could be deposed. NOTHING more on that.
“I’ll maintain my position on CERTAIN people posting CERTAIN comments can be sought out as a witness”……… Hmmmmm
The following privilege may apply.
Civil Code section 47 reads as follows (emphasis added):
Civil Code section 47(d) sets forth a separate privilege for a “fair and true report in, or a communication to, a public journal, of a judicial … proceeding … or of anything said in the course thereof.” That section extends the litigation privilege to accounts of judicial proceedings published in the press, as well as to certain communications to the press. Unlike the section 47(b) privilege, which protects litigation participants from tort liability, the “fair report” privilege serves the broader purpose of getting information to the public. McClatchy Newspapers, Inc. v Superior Court (1987) 189 CA3d 961, 975.
§ 47. A privileged publication or broadcast is one made:
(c) In a communication, without malice, to a person interested therein,
(1) by one who is also interested, or
(2) by one who stands in such a relation to the person interested as to afford a reasonable ground for supposing the motive for the communication to be innocent, or
(3) who is requested by the person interested to give the information.
Stan I think the problem with the FPD trolls
would be over coming the “malice” issue.
But thanks again good stuff.
“the ‘malice’ issue”…….. Hmmmmmm
Please notice that the malice applies only to 47(c) .
The 47(b) is the “absolute privilege” which is unbeatable.
Furthermore, you would have to prove the “actual malice” which is different ball of wax from the “malice”. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_malice
And if that is not enough you would gravely struggle with SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation). CCP 425.16
Ok Mr.Diamond, and SO oppossing council gets awarded fees for making the motion.
Are you suggesting that is a deterent to refusing to answer question that MIGHT put someone in harms way??
Sorry, if I tell you more than I already have I’d have to charge you.
I understand what your saying Mr.Diamond about the goating, but you might be failing to see those who are goating might be the DEFENDANTS or Does 1-20.
OR he has a smoking gun that even his foes don’t know about.
If he has the evidence to prove his case, then there are no worries about talking.
There is OTHER strategies in the legal world other than REMAIN silent.
I’m not sure whether you mean goading or gloating. I’ve seen both here.
There are cases where one might want to “try one’s case in the media,” but if he has the goods here I have a hard time thinking that this is one of them. If he has the goods, file suit, depose people, make them squirm, get them to lie, then drop the hammer.
Mr.Diamond this issue with Lira is very NEW in as you know. Lira has what, 6 months to file a claim for damages with a public entity. Correct me if I am wrong.
So with that, he has a little time to do whatever.
In a retaliation for 1st amendmant rights, ie matters of Public Interest which his email to the city manager seems to indicate, you DO NOT need a smoking gun to prove your case.
If adverse action was taken against Lira on the heels of his email then the burden will be shifted back to the city to prove otherwise.
Even if Lira was terminated for good cause as Coffman and crew would like everyone here to believe, Lira still has a retaliation claim but with limited damages.
But the city seems to clearly have a double standard of discipline based on several previous cases outlined here.
Well I guess some people might not be worried about that, but at the END of the day, double standards and disperate treatment are a BIG DEAL in civil service and the Superior Court.
Lira was obviously terminated, so FPD better hope they have terminated others in like situations if the city wishes to show the discipline is fair and equal across the board in MOST cases.
The disciplinary process and it’s history at FPD will be a big issue.
If Lira was smart this case would make it’s way to the Federal Court system where the non-sense in Superior Court is generally NOT tolerated.
There seems to be a method to Lira madness with all these comments.
We will see.
It’s good that you understand the rudiments of how CA law treats retaliation. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the limitations on it in practice. I don’t know if this is a meritorious claim and I don’t plan to try to figure it out, but what I do know is that the trying of this case in the media is putting Lira in tough shape when he gets deposed and I’m surprised that his attorney, if one exists, accepts it. “We will see” is a good place to end this.
Pasadena cops cleared today. Ha!
I think Fullerton cops would of been cleared if they would of shot Kelly. Just saying.
Ditto
On what basis? He wasn’t a fleeing felon. He was in no position before they tackled them to pull a weapon. That’s what they might have done had they wanted to kill him. Instead, they didn’t want to — they (or one of them) blundered into it.
Ramos’s being on tape would have been as likely to lead to charges in that case as in this one.
He was resisting. He was running. You said so yourself. Blam, blam. Drop a box cutter near the corpse, no muss, no fuss.
Next you’ll be telling us their IS a Kulture of Korruption in the FPD!!
You don’t understand the law of when a cop can shoot a fleeing suspect, do you?
Yeah, if they’re willing to fabricate evidence, they can do more. Better hope that they’re not on camera, though. Get real.
The defendant may assert his or her rights under the Fifth Amendment and decline to answer specific questions that he or she reasonably believes could be used in a criminal prosecution or could lead to other evidence that might be so used.
See id.; see also Evans v. Chicago, 513 F.3d 735, 743 (7th Cir. 2008), cert. denied, 129 S.Ct. 899 (2009); Doe ex rel. Rudy-Glanzer v. Glanzer, 232 F.3d 1258, 1263 (9th Cir. 2000). The same standard applies when a witness takes the Fifth Amendment when testifying at trial.
I should add Golem that in addition to fifth your questioning would be bared by the privileges as provided by CC 47 (a)(b)(c)(d). (freshen up)
Let me give you a legal advise Golem: Go work for the OC county to pick up road kill on the streets and forget about the law practice.
And finally, I would bar you to conduct any deposition as provided by the Special Motion To Strike CCP 425.16.
Think picking up the road kill, great union pay, benefits and 200K retirement.
Since you have establish yourself publicly as a moron mongoloid admitting to be a Tatar, it goes without saying that I would invoke the UNCLEAN HANDS doctrine as one of many affirmative defenses.
Someone has been smoking a little bit to much of that purple kush, this happen a looooong time ago :p
If the FPD is taking “notes” on Lira’s statements on this blog (presumably to use against him in court), then I would highly suggest that he have his lawyer subpoena the IP addresses of the people posting on this blog. There have been a just as many (if not more) nasty attacks against him as any accusations that he’s made – if they’re coming from former co-workers or his union rep, this could be a good way to find out.
EXACTLY Mitt!!!
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No too many witnesses and videos, the Commander and his people would not have confiscated videos, destroyed evidence, and intimidated the witnesses and innocent bystander. (very very many were possible witnesses, like the OCTA bus driver)
“AND it wouldnt have been a Torture Thrill Kill Murder!!!!”
TTK are very rare unless your looking at LE community, usually off duty though.
“COOKBOOK” 🙁
The first murder conviction without a body was a LEOs wife.
Woodchipper in river fishes ate her. (Brutal)
Now all we need to do is find a government job for Mr. Anti-Government!! Whitaker has 10 years into his government pension. We can’t expect him to go back to the private sector now. That would be like releasing a zoo animal into the wild. Maybe Whitaker’s friends in county government can find him a job there.
Whitaker is the biggest winner in the whole situation.
Maybe. They even found a job for the unemployable Mrs. Jerbal Cunningham!
Congratulations Bruce. The City is fortunate to have you as Mayor.
Yes, congratulations, Bruce!
Now you and Norby can light up the private sector with your expertise and skills. No need to be shackled in a lackluster public position when all those free enterprise big bucks are out there waiting with your names on them.
The great thing about America is that anyone can make it in business anytime he or she wants. With all that entrepreneurial spirit you two have, you could partner up a successful business in no time at all. Of course, you know better than anyone that private medical insurance programs and private retirement funds are far superior to those lowly government bennies you were forced to take from your previous public employers.
Good luck and have a prosperous New Year.
In other words you recommend everybody become a public employee. Great thinking from a public sector sponge.
“In other words you recommend everybody become a public employee.”
Just the opposite! Reread my post, out loud and to yourself . . . slowly.
I’m urging our Mayor and former Assemblyman to take their professional talents to the PRIVATE sector, particularly given their Libertarian disdain for public sector sponges.
Oh, dear, our multiple personality is back. Please stick to one name Shawn. And then get life.
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One of your proud accomplishments!
Ha. One of our hard working, underpaid JC “professors.”