How to Turn a Protest Into a Riot: Fullerton vs. Anaheim
Here’s some old footage of a Fullerton anti-police brutality protest from last summer. Notice how hundreds of protesters marched through the streets in a brief display of free speech with a hint of civil disobedience.
Also notice that there were no cops. No show of force. No body armor. No tactical pepper rounds. No beanbag shotguns. And no violence.
Contrast that to Anaheim last night, where hundreds of cops lined up in full body armor, arguably igniting tensions and transforming a raucous protest into a minor riot.
So what went wrong, and who caused it?
So right on this. It started peacefully until the police made an unneccesary show of force.
Don’t lie. Why don’t you talk about all the crap that was being yelled at the officers? How they threw rocks and dirt at them. It’s was just a bunch of punks looking to cause chaos because they don’t have a life.
By the way saw Ron sitting in his suv taking it all in. Wow Ron guess you aren’t as important as you think; no one seemed to be putting microphones in your face.
You have no idea what oppression is.
Thank you. That is the difference.
Orale, it was just a bunch of cabrones whose daddys didn’t kick them in the ass hard enough. The cops should’ve shut it down as soon as those punks started with F the police, If their mamas heard them they would wash their mouths out with soap.
I was delighted to hear the abuse being yelled at the officers, and impressed that at least while I was there they stood there impassively and took it like men. That is their job. That is exactly how they need to be trained to react. Respect is earned.
F the police is free expression and protected by the First Amendment. Exactly the thing you cops are supposed to be protecting – our rights.
So would it be okay to show up at your place of employment and yell “F” the burger flipper.
Place of employment? The steps of city hall?
Yes, you have the right to tell people to F off. Including me. Cops most of all need to learn that.
Read this if you can’t understand why:
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/r-e-s-p-e-c-t/
Yes, let’s do that where do you do your burger flipping JT?
If you want to get smart you better figure it out.
Oh yeah, since the burgers I flip don’t kill people the protestors have a better reason to disrespect you. Expect more.
If Anaheim police enraged you, watch this ‘hacktivist’ vid
http://now.msn.com/anonymous-hacktivists-release-operation-anaheim-video-asking-people-to-protest-police-brutality
So do you guys love FPD now?
From what I just saw, the cops were firing at no one for no reason. The ones being detained were definitely resisting, miracle they didn’t kill them.
The video says differently. Dont lie.
You need to get your eyes checked.
To clarify: The ones being detained weren’t resisting. They did nothing. Just being sarcastic.
The shops vandalized on Anaheim Blvd. say differently.
LOL JT. Come on. Really? Blame the police? Just allow those idiots to throw rocks and sticks and everything? That happened before the police even had helmets on. I was there. It was a disgrace to the human race.
It was a disgrace to all the hard working immigrants who taught their kids better.
Not true. I was there as well. Zero rocks or sticks were thrown at cops until they were in full riot gear and doing their whole “clear the area” bullshit schtick.
At least the Chief came out today and said no more games. Next time they aren’t holding back. Right at the bad guys. Praise fom the community already. Well. The real parts of the community.
Bring in the National Guard!
Zero tolerance!
‘I own Fullerton’ – were you one of those agent provocateurs who throw rocks and sticks?
Gangbangers and their lovers started the mess. Now the downtown Anaheim business are left cleaning up the mess. Shut up talking about what you don’t know about.
The 1st amendment says we can talk about anything whether we know what we’re talking about or not. Are you anti-1st amendment Officer Troll? Or are you just throwing your considerable weight around trying to intimidate. Theere may have been some gangbangers, but they have a right to express their opinions too, just like you. My question is why were the cops making it worse? Why were they attacking, beating and shooting at women and children, babies even? Why were they sicking trained attack dogs on unarmed people including babies? Why were they in this video shooting dozens if not hundreds of rounds? Someone should tell these cops they’re in the USA not in Syria, because they seem to think theyre in Syria.
To equate this with Syria is laughable! So shut up!
Oppression is oppression. It doesn’t need to be Syria. Anaheim PD needs an overhaul.
The gangland in Anahiem NEEDS and overhaul. The PD is just fine. Go to Syria and then complain about oppression you whiny idiot.
Nah, I like actual democracy. You’re the one who likes authoritarianism.
You’ve got that right, Anonymous. If “Stomper” and his “pal” want to live by the swrod, they can die by the sword.
Great. Now we have semi-literate lawyers commenting on the blog.
Sorry, Anonymous, my clerk did that one. You should proof your own posts you felcher.
It always has to start somewhere… I don’t see any of this getting calmer or quieter as long as people’s rights are violated… we used to have this thing called the constitution but I think our communist thug president shredded that already 🙁
People are pissed off and frustration levels are off the charts — EVERYWHERE in this country.
If and when you don’t infringe on the rights of others. That’s what is wrong with some of the kids of your generation, you only think about how things affect you no one else. I bet the majority of them were high school dropouts.
There SHOULD NOT have been a single child anywhere near there last night!!!!! Much less small enough to be in a stroller!!! And no DECENT parent would have had theirs there!!!!! In MY opinion, that constitutes ”CHILD ENDANGERMENT”,!!! Never mind… ” mommy” out there flipping off! If you want to be there, and do that, then LEAVE YOUR BABIES WITH A SITTER, OR AT GRAMMA& GRAMPA`S!!!!! I`m not saying that the cops did, or did not deserve what you were doing, but for God`s sake, you are NOT putting your children as a priority here!!!!!!! What an example of a ”mommy”, come on!! I DISPISE BAD COPS, and there are too many of them, it seems, but my children must COME FIRST!!!!! THEY DO NOT BELONG IN PLACES LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!
There are 7 instances that are not protected by the 1st amendment. I suggest you look them up, you don’t think they didn’t do any of the items listed to make it so that they are not protected?
NO the protesters did not start this JOANNE< the asst to LORI GALLOWAY started this…how you ask:
She set a protest up called TAKE BACK ANAHEIM, well she has all these people show up, at the PD get riled and then headed over to the city council, well they got there- I was out the doors at city hall-rightup front and she ran inside leaving the large group of already angered people, and she left them, SHE SET THEM up, sp the city council wont let us in, by that I mean ANY of us in, protester, citizne, none were allowed in, so the crowd is pissed, TAKE BACK ANAHEIM, LORI GALLOWAYS asst comes out and tells the cops..these are my people i can handle this–( I was right ther watchin her-that fucking snake)…when the crowd wouldnt allow her her photo op, she freaked andhad the cops storm troopers out, SHE DID this if you want to BLAME ANYONE, blame LORI GALLOWAY ANAHIEM CITY CLOWNCIL member her ast JOanne did all of this…she should of had a plan, for peace, she should of had a plan for city council…SHE STARTED THIS..so unless you were there, I WAS< RIGHT THERE< I SAW IT ALL, and then they went ballistic because they felt the city council member AND HER ASST FUCKED THEM.. On a side note WHY WAS FULLERTON PD in anaheim, on our dime….thanks dan , you better right a check for that IM not paying for LORI GALLOWAYS HIT SQUAD…. No violence is right, but I saw HOW this started and WHY and WHO started it. I know the truth .
“On a side note WHY WAS FULLERTON PD in anaheim, on our dime….thanks dan”
It’s what they call “mutual aid.” I noticed some Sheriff’s deputies unloading on the crowd, too.
@ Was There:
Do you have a photo or video of Joanne Sosa egging on the crowd? This is IMPORTANT. Thanks.
Anaheim is a whole different animal. Fullerton’s protests drew an amalgamation of all walks of life. Anaheim’s drew those that have nothing and nothing to lose which is far more dangerous. The Police should have stood down. The escalation was a direct result of the intimidation by the sheer number of officers in tactical gear. Lets see, a well armed, well fed, well paid, well insured, well pensioned and almost exclusively caucaision show of force in full tactical gear with guns drawn on a group of poor, angry, scared, confused, downtrodden, uninformed people is extremely forboding. I do not like what I see and am gravely concerned with this issue becoming racially charged.
Excellent post Truthseeker.
Right on Truthseeker. And remember the city councilmembers and Mayor are worried about how they look to Disneyland which just spent $1.1 Billion on the Cars attractions at California Adventure.
Anyway, all those police in full riot gear is good practice. Plenty of OT money in the Anaheim budget too.
The police should’ve shut it down when these punks started chanting F the police. The escalation was a direct result of the misbehavior on the part of those overgrown brats who don’t know how to conduct themselves at a protest and how to really accomplish something. The officers were more than patient with this behavior. By 9pm they were done babysitting .
You’re absolutely right, though the Anaheim protest did draw a large segment of the community initially. But there are a lot of families in Anaheim with loved one killed by the police, and they have friends, and those people are pissed off. Rightfully so.
Maybe if the gang bangers didn’t drop out of school and went to the police academy, there would be less “white people” on the force and more diversity.
Ok, I will be the one to say what everyone else is thinking. In Fullerton you had a mostly white middle class group of demonstrators led by an intelligent and articulate ex-cop father of the victim. In Anaheim you had a mostly poor latino group with no effective leadership and it ended just like the Anaheim Police Chief wanted it to. Now the focus is on the lawless mob instead of trigger happy cops.
Well said Kirk. Also the difference between a white person dying and a Mexican dying.
Destroying and vandalizing property doesn’t help their cause. I can understand their anger, but the support by the average citizen will be lost.
Sure, their group will grow in size, but mostly made up of riff raff/cholos.
Picture 12 below speaks for itself:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/us/california-anaheim-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
a side note
“Authorities in the Los Angeles suburb of Anaheim, California”
why is the media so dumb?
I never knew we were located in Los Angeles county.
I think that’s a General in Kelly’s Army. He reports directly to Ron Thomas.
Ohhhh you’re gonna piss-off Ron, he considers himself the almighty general.
I agree! Those people in the streets only repesent the horrid areas in Anaheim like Gunida and Anna. Those people are pissed because their homies were killed.
Well ya know what, the rest of us who reside in Anaheim are sick of the gangs, the tagging, the drugs, the dirty filthy neighborhoods, the drunkards.
This really helps the cause (sarcasm):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9okXFDShrQA
Bottom line, COPS showing up in force didn’t cause people to act out as clowns. It’s these young punks taking advantage of the situation.
Was an unarmed gang member shot. Probably. The PD hasn’t come out and clearly stated the reason for the officer involved shooting. When I suspect has has a weapon, they are quick to set the record straight. In this case, the response is “Under investigation” as JustUs stated below.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/officers-365268-police-statement.html
The union has set their record straight (sort of), ahead of the “investigation” and has said that he grabbed for his waist band and turned on police. Truth or not, that is their stance.
That’s funny. What authority does the police union have in the investigation?
Oh. None.
Absolutely. The police union has a duty to backup their members, not the citizens.
Which is why police unions should never be allowed to exist.
Ah, the old waistband dodge.
Time to re run that post.
Yup we should always listen to the police union for a factual account of the incident!
He was reaching to pull up his shorts. You know how low those shorts go and how ya gonna run with them down around his knees?
That said, how about the “accidental” release of the police dog and the dog biting a bystander and dumping over a baby carriage. All you folks do know that the dog is trained for HAND SIGNALS. So that pretty much shows the lying and coverup about the “accident”!
Since when is grabing your waistband a cause to be murdered? It seems to be a frequent reason for cops to murder an unarmed person, of course any excuse is a good excuse. But whether you like it or not this cop is a murderer, if his pd calls it a good shoot that doesn’t change. Just like every cop that kills. God never said “Thou shalt not kill…except….
I am not sorry to say this. If I am a police officer and a known gang banger grabs something from his waist and points at me- I shoot. Police should go for the leg? No way! What did that guy, running from police and pulling anything out from his waistband expect? IF that is really what happened,.
Amen to that!
Once again and for the record, Ron Thomas was NEVER EVER a cop!!!
Once again and for record, Ron Thomas was NEVER EVER a cop!!
You almost had me. There is a difference between the good white people who know how to protest and the bad minority who don’t. Give me a break. People know right from wrong. Do not blame cops for coming against those who are a threat. Cops need to do what they have to in order to stop people who are blatantly not afraid of authority and consequence. We all need to stop forming universal opinions based on limited and often miss perceived experience.
The Cops started this.
So the cops put Joel in a stolen car and put a gun in his hand and pulled the trigger at their own fellow officers?
BZZZ
FAIL
No, but they shot the other guy twice from behind.
You don’t know the facts, you weren’t there, so shut up and stop talking about something you know nothing about!!!
Ever here about the Anaheim block busting that went on around Disneyland?
What?
You didn’t know?
I’m saying what because your sentence doesn’t make any sense.
Did you notice that the mayor came out and called in the FBI for an “honest” investigation? That sure shows his confidence in his own police force, huh? Naturally the mayor doesn’t want a full-blown riot on his hands with millions in economic damage. I wonder how many phone conversations the CEO of Disney had with the mayor and with the APD chief last night?
The problem here is that the cops aren’t transparent when they screw up in the field. That’s why the citizens are angry. The cops only release information that makes them look good. All the negative information is withheld. Don’t buy the BS that the case is under investigation and no comment can be made. When their was a gun found on the 2nd suspect the cops didn’t hesitate to publicize it, did they? But when the suspect is unarmed – all you get are ‘no comment’ or “it’s under investigation” or “we aren’t at liberty to say”. They know full damn well whether Diaz was shot in the back. But that’s one of those “no comment” situtations.
The cops bring this stuff on. It’s time for them to clean up their acts. If they acted like professionals none of this would have happened. But they don’t. They act like common thugs.
” If they acted like professionals none of this would have happened. But they don’t. They act like common thugs.”
The truth is pretty simple, and that is it.
uniformed thugs…
Law enforcement loves to escalate protests to the point where they get to crack some skulls.
In Fullerton, the cops were already powerless due to international outrage. They stayed out of it, and results were positive.
Shame on Anaheim.
Not quite correct Kimchi Boogaloo. Those that were at the Kelly Thomas protests in front of the FPD will remember the Saturday that the FPOA’s President, and Detective Barry Coffman, spent the day spoiling for a reaction from the protesters, by citing the motorists who were honking in support of the protesters.
The protesters were really upset with the FPD after they started rolling out to cite motorists, and it was going to get ugly quick if then Captain Dan Hughes hadn’t ripped up the tickets that were presented to him by the protesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEIbMZxqJw8
One more observation. In Fullerton the protesters waved at passing cars and asked them to honk their horn in support. In Anaheim the protesters threw rocks and bottles at passing cars. Not a very good way to win support from passing motorists. The Anaheim protesters need a strong leader or their cause is doomed.
gangs don’t have true leaders so their won’t be any organized anything in this case
Yes, and the damaged a reporter, Angie Crouch’s car.
You obviously weren’t there. The first hour yesterday was exactly like that – waving signs and people honking in support. Then for some reason known only to them, Anaheim PD blocked off every street around City Hall. Along with their militarized presence outside city hall and preventing people from going inside, these tactics provoked what happened later.
I’m not saying some people didn’t opportunistically join in later just to throw things at cops and cause trouble. Bad idea. But completely understandable nonetheless.
Why oh WHY is that lady from Kelly’s Army protesting over these shootings? Why is she siding with the community that is supporting their gangbangers?
I fully support Justice for Kelly Thomas, but come on lady, give us all a break!
These were 2 criminals – ONE who shot at cops!
Are you talking about her?
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-365477-people-city.html?pic=5
Look at photo #13. Is that one of our honor citizens and a part of Kelly’s Army?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/us/california-anaheim-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Oh the Lady on KFI right now is ripe with hilarity.
She is talking about Diaz’s LEGACY!
Legacy as in criminal record I guess.
I heard that as well.
LOL
So let me get this straight. The protestetors had every right to be there, but the Police didn’t? Bushala, you’re saying in this story that the riot wouldn’t have happened if the Police weren’t there. So I guess it was the Police that threw rocks and bottles to start the riot, huh? They had every right to protect city hall, the businesses in the area and yes, even the peaceful protesters. Look at the news footage. The gang members are the ones inciting the whole thing. Way to align yourself with society’s worst.
This story just shows that Tony will do anything to show his disdain for the Police or any government entity. Bushala, you’re an arrogant asshole.
Reading comprehension. It’s a thing.
Bushala seems to be praising the Fullerton PD’s lack of response to the protest. There goes your theory.
That’s bullshit. Bushala is not praising the Fullerton PD and he is saying the Anaheim Police started the riots. He is wrong, as usual. The gang members and lowlifes started this. The Police were acting appropriately and were protecting the community.
Protecting the community from what? Each other?
Yeah, protecting who? From what? I was out there. I felt entirely unthreatened, EXCEPT by the police.
I personally think that then Captain Dan Hughes was the officer that was directly responsible for maintaining constant communication and civility with the Kelly Thomas protesters.
At least he finally took responsibility for something. It was Hughes’ own employees who killed KT.
Agreed.
And Tony has a nephew who is a cop in La Habra.
I am completely against the violence and looting that occurred last night. That is not what we’re about.
However, Lori Galloway’s asst and the APD escalated things to what happened last night. They could’ve easily exercised crowd control by letting people in, in groups of 25 at a time, even letting Anaheim residents in first. Instead, Lori Galloway’s asst and the APD chose to take a military approach against the crowd who was already upset and angry. Are they in that much denial that they didn’t consider there might be a reaction?
There were far more protesters calling for peace than there were idiots with their own agenda or too young to understand that responding to violence with more violence is not the answer.
Wait-what did Galloway’s assistant do? Is this Joanne Sosa? What did she do? Please?
Yep. The tension was from being not let into city hall. The crowd was chanting Let us in. If they had said – everybody will get a chance, we’ll do public comments for as long as it takes and everyone can come in and speak – no riot.
sherbear, the Mayor DID order thenPolice to let people in, as speakers left ,ore would be allowed in. Chambers were full because there were already 2 contentious items in the agenda, every seat was packed with union members, they could on,y let people in one at a time to speak, but Mayor Tait did give orders that everyone who wanted to speak would be heard. Despite the very real threat to their safety, Cuty Council stayed until every speaker (who stayed instead of running into the street) had been let in to speak. If Galloway or her assistant (Joanne sosa?) riled up that crowd to storm Council as a group, knowing they could only be llet in one at a time, then they started this! Does anyone have a photo or video of the woman who did this?
Forgive my spelling, typing with my thumbs. This also means that bitch threw you all under the bus, making you look like thugs for rushing the Chambers if cops had said to enter one at a time. Please help me nail this bitch, I need pics or video, I need witnesses.
Cynthia, I received the info via a woman standing close enough to Joanne to see and her set the cops in riot gear on the crowd. They formed a line with batons in their hands. As the crowd began yelling louder and becoming more upset and angry, the cops started using batons to push them back. I have to double check, but I believe this is when the cops told them they weren’t getting in and to disperse. It was after this that all hell broke loose and many began marching to the police dept. Several got out of hand and were addressed by other protesters to remain peaceful.
I will confirm the name with person there to be certain. I meant to leave the name out until doing so but was thinking of what you written wrote without focus.
http://voiceofoc.org/oc_north/article_a2b486de-d6d4-11e1-8a8b-001a4bcf887a.html
This describes the mistakes city hall and the police made last night.
Thank you, Jt. There’s a bit of a gap in Sosa’s involvement…like before she first went in, after revving up the crowd.
There will always be a debate about this. Will the answers ever be acceptable to you?
I’d like to ask another question. What’s acceptable? Is it acceptable to bring children to a riot? Is it acceptable to loot a business? Pictures shown last night were of rioters having a great time. One woman in particular brought a stroller with 2 little kids as she was laughing and flipping off the camera as she participated. To me, that’s not acceptable nor tolerable.
And just so you know, I don’t find it acceptable for the police to shoot an unarmed man who was running. I do believe in hearing both sides of the story though.
Was hoping for better commentary and analysis of what is going on in Anaheim – please step up the coverage. What is going on is not right!
I don’t like gangbangers any more than the next guy.
But what’s even worse than a gangbanger is a lying cop or cops who circle the wagon for bad cops or cops who try to cover up their wrongdoings after the fact.
We know what gangbangers are all about. But we expect cops to be a cut above, especially with the money we pay them.
But no one in America – gangbanger or not – should get shot in the back for running from a cop when there is no clear and immediate danger to the public.
And you read a report that explains the entire scene?
Right, I haven’t either.
But that’s the problem, AnaheimLove. When they screw up they always try to hide their mistakes. But when there is information that goes in their favor – they shout it from the mountain tops with big press releases. That’s BS and you know it.
The reason you don’t know the basics to the story is because they are concealing it.
Try to be objective and don’t just root for the home team, ok?
Well said, JustUs. LEO should be held to a higher standard…absolutely.
But it’s hard to support their cause when you see protesters destroying the very community they live in.
Had the cops been transparent and up front from the start it would have been another peaceful evening in Anaheim. People are angry because all the negative information is being concealed. A man lost his life. The basics to the story are being hidden. You can’t blame people for getting angry about it. We expect transparency from our highly paid police departments. That’s not asking too much. When there is information about a case that favors the cops they sing like birds. But negative information is always concealed and must be forced out through legal means. That’s wrong. Sorry.
I’m not disagreeing with you. What I don’t support is this new group that has hijacked the efforts of ‘Take Back Anaheim’.
I accept your apology. 🙂
Being angry and protesting and being angry and using violence and destruction are two different things. The cops could be in the wrong 100% and everyone know it and yet they hide it- and that is still no excuse for rioting.
Hey Brother, the people whose relatives are being killed by cops do not regularly frequent the City Hall Starbucks. They are not destroying their own community!
Hey Jt, do the following businesses listed in the article qualify? 🙂
“Protesters couldn’t get into the shop, but they broke large windows and stole about $20,000 worth of jeans between the bars, leaving a number of shelves bare.”
http://www.ocregister.com/news/anaheim-365551-police-protesters.html
Those must be some fancy jeans.
You, sir or madam, are completely correct.
I wish I could publish your comment and pass it out to everyone who thinks they should be backing APD because it’s them vs. the horrible gang bangers.
No. It’s not that. An unarmed 24 yr old man was shot in the back of the head while fleeing. Unless we want that to become protocol we have to do our part to make sure they put a stop to it. The police work for the people. Protect and Serve, remember?
That mother had a right to have her son come home that night, regardless of the bad decisions in his life that may have existed.
Agreed. This waistband nonsense has got to stop as well. Otherwise, we’re all liable to be shot at any time for the act of wearing pants while pissing off a cop.
I don’t care what you thought you saw in his pants. He either pointed a gun and shot at you or he didn’t. If you shot him in the ass then shot him in the back of the head, you have plenty o’ explaining to do and ought to do it before attacking women and children with a dog.
Well said, well said!
Were there any gangbangers trying to get into city hall when the cops lined up and shoved everyone back? I don’t think so.
I fully support Kelly’s army, but these were nothing but gang member and /anaheim has a rep far different and far worse tan Fullerton. Th APD knew EXACTLY what they were up against. I do NOT support Anahiem in this at all. 2 criminal gang members shot vs. a harmless homeleess guy beat to death. Not quite the same!
In America the punishment for being a gangbanger is not a street execution. If you want to live in a society with those kind of rules – move to Syria.
If the story about the 2nd suspect having a gun and popping off rounds at the cops – he deserved to get blown away – I’m all in. IF the story was true.
But there are some MAJOR questions going unanswered about the Diaz shooting. The authorities are unwilling to release the TRUTH of what happened. If the cop screwed up and shot an unarmed man in the back for running away – he needs to answer for it. When you put on the badge and holster up the gun – you are responsible for your actions. If you don’t like those rules – don’t become a cop. It’s that easy.
Manuel Diaz is not a good guy as the family’s attoney wants us all to believe.
Come on, bleeding hearts! Get a grip and face the facts:
1 0 03/11/2011 11377(a) HS F Possession of a controlled substance GUILTY 03/22/2011 Pled Guilty 03/22/2011
2 0 03/11/2011 4573 PC F Bring or send controlled substance into jail/prison GUILTY 03/22/2011 Pled Guilty 03/22/2011
1 0 04/07/2008 626.9(b) PC F Possess of firearm on school grounds GUILTY 10/17/2008 Pled Guilty 10/17/2008
1 1 04/07/2008 186.22(b)(1) PC F ENH-Criminal street gang ADMITTED 10/17/2008 Admission 10/17/2008
Irrelevant. His past is irrelevant to the facts surrounding the fatal shooting. Cops are not allowed to execute people running away from them unless there is clear and unmistakeable evidence that the suspect was a danger to the public and threatening human life. The cops have not made their case and refuse to come clean. That’s what last night was all about. It time to stop concealing and start revealing. It’s like they tell people who refuse to talk to them “What do you have to hide?” That door swings both ways.
this is their story
http://www.ocregister.com/news/officers-365268-police-statement.html
That’s just another bogus and confusing statement. It took them 3 days to put that script together??? 😀
So what did DIAZ pull from his waistband? They claim an ‘object’ yet they also say that he was ‘unarmed’. So what was in his waistband? A rubber ducky? So he was running from the cops, suddenly turned around and pulled a rubber ducky from his waistband toward the cops??? 😀
And nowhere did the article disavow that Diaz was shot in the back, huh? So if he turned toward the cops and pulled an “object” from his waistband – why was he shot in the back as the witness stated?
Answer those questions, Fatty.
Take your time. I know you folks have to put your imaginations into overdrive to return with a comeback! 😀
Shooting a guy in the lower back and then in the back of the head because he turned to get something from his waistband. Try it – go ahead. See? Its a physical impossiblity. Now Mom and Pop got a $50,000,000 lawsuit against city of anaheim. It will settle for around $3,000,000. More important, is mr. trigger happy cop gonna stay on the force? I would hope not, at least not without substantial extra training and a mark on his record. Brady cops and cops who cause huge settlements by cities need to be identified and tracked .
Yeah, the cops will be back on the street in no time.
Remember when the innocent black Anaheim res, Jason Alexander, was standing on his front porch while the cops were chasing some bad guys past his home about 4-5 years ago? Some cop took him out. That cop was back on the street in a few months after getting a nice paid vacation. Alexander’s family sued. I searched for settlement information but I could not find it. I wonder if the Anaheim cops concealed that too? If it was taxpayer money that got paid out the taxpayers have a right to know the amount. I bet that case was good for $3-$5M. Funny how they are able to keep it hush-hush, eh??? I suspect this one will be no different.
Shooting him in the lower back and then again in the head sounds like an execution to me….
Don’t shoot the messenger, I just posted the cops “case” as you had said they had not. I didn’t say it was truth.
Is it not possible- since we are speculating – that the guy ran, turned while pulling something out, the cop pulled his gun, the guy saw it and turned- therefore the shot was to the back and not to the front?
I don’t know, just curious if that is possible. Since no one knows what happened, admittedly.
How do you know you have the right guy when posting this information?
Is there only one person under that name that shows up when you search?
I can see why you are glad that a gang banger or a criminal gets shot and killed. So now the police force are judge , jury and executioner? It happens all to often, its easy to shoot someone rather than chase them down cuff them and put them on trial anyway… Sadly there is little or no accountability when cops kill people unless there is a big stink from the community, and even then its very one sided. The Fullerton protests were small comparably and the Anaheim Police have the reputation of the mouse to protect, their number one source of income. Tourism doesn’t like civil unrest hence the huge number of law enforcement which usually fuels simple minds into the only way they feel they can be heard is by violence…
And that makes it right? “it’s the only way I know”? If only I would have had that power with my parents!
This all began with the attack on women and children in the Anna neighborhood on Saturday.
Agreed. Without that clip of the dog attacking a baby on the news, we’d just have two dead gangbangers. The disproportionate response to that first protest by the PD is what kicked off the chaos.
No.
So the poh-lice swarm this blog to blame the rioters who have been harassed and assaulted by out-of-control cops for years. Arm in arm they assault the free speech of citizens who are outraged by the brutal force used to kill a man who was running away in fear for his life, and who had committed no crime. Looks like the KT incident was just the beginning, considering all the unproved murders by police since July 5, 2011.
Funny, I live in Anaheim and have never been harrassed.
Why don’t we take a closer look at who the cops “harrass.”
Sounds like double jeapordy, you puttin him on trial again? This time after he is dead!? Wow you’re a real sick-o Must be a relation of the cicinellies
The attorney wants his legacy to be remembered, I’m just pointing out the legacy he left.
These people weren’t protestors.
They were opportunists taking advantage of the situation just to destroy property and loot.
Exactly!
And the people who concealed the facts after the fatal Diaz shooting weren’t cops – they were just thugs who wore badges taking advantage of their assigned powers.
Those opportunists are everywhere, so the po-po have to seriously watch the situation carefully before pulling the trigger.
Ending someone’s life is a huge decision, make it carefully and righteously… Life is precious.
This guy did not have to have a reason to flee and I use the word flee grudgingly, maybe he had an appointment he suenly remembered, maybe he got an emergency call, maybe he just wanted to exercise his right to not be in close proximaty to these cops who ultimatly took his life. He was not charged, as far as i’ve heard no warrant he had every right to walk, run or fly away if he could. He was shot in the BACK, he was shot in the BACK not once TWICE, TWICE!
Where did you read he was shot in the back twice? I read he was shot in the back or buttocks once and then they finished him off with a headshot.
Where did you get your information?
They were not executed in the street Diaz was his crime? running.
His legacy will be that he was MURDERED by apd, shot 2x in the BACK
Disneyland! It is bad for the image of Disney Co to be located in Anaheim. So the police chief was told to squash the rioting immediately. Since he does not want a Disability Pension of $250,000 PER YEAR he does what he is told until someday he will say enough is enough! Then he will take a high blood pressure, high cholesterol, high lipid profile leave of absence culminating in a large pension. Hey, its all perfectly legal, just ask the former Fullerton PD chiefs!
buttocks is the backside of his body, back of the head is the backside of his body if you split the body into quadrants front, back, left side, right side he was shot 2x in the back
Thanks for clarifying, Larry. I was just confused when you said Diaz was shot in the back twice. I took it literally. My bad.
The Anaheim Police Assoc. said that Diaz was running from the cops, suddenly turned and pulled an ‘object’ (refused to identify) from his waistband and that’s when the cops blew him away. But it doesn’t pass the stink test. If the cops were chasing him – and he turned around – and they fired on him – obviously the shots would be frontal and not from the rear. Yet the APA never disavowed the witness account that Diaz was shot in the back. hmmm. And it took the APA 3 days to put together that script?
Phewww. What’s that smell?
That smell is the fuzz…. ewwww!
Hahhhaaaaahahaaaa, I figured you were saying that.
Yes. If you are a gangster, and you run from the police, and if you reach in your waistband and turn toward the police they will shoot you dead. No doubt about it. Even dumb ghetto gangsters know that. That’s doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out. There have been hundreds of shootings like this in the US and all were justified. The ones that went to trial all were not guilty. Thanks to the most recent LAPD one there is video to put jurors into the mind of the cop. 100 rounds fired back. Dead. What would you do? Same thing. You will see after the investigations into Anaheim. Again, run from the cops and reach into your waistband you will be shot dead. For sure. 100%. NO debate. It will happen. If you break into most peoples houses and run from the house and while a citizen is chasing you and you reach into your waistband you will probably be shot dead there too. Yes.
One word of common sense. If you don’t run from the cops or if you put your hands over your head like they ask, you won’t be shot dead. That’s a fact. You make the choice.
Great moniker Waistband, but how many of these “he reached for his waistband are true?”
My guess is 1%.
It’s just like that “stop resisting” bullshit! It’s a BS cry to give the officers/deputies carte blanche to beat the crap out of someone.
It also seems that this “he was reaching for his waistband” is more BS to give the cops a reason to kill.
I agree. With the exception of anyone running after someone who broke into their home and then fled. You have to be an idiot to run after someone who broke in and left. Law is on their side. Even if you just hurt them, not kill them. But I get what you are saying.
There is no guarantee that not running or putting your hands over your head will keep you alive. None whatsoever.
You are correct. There are no guarantee’s. But a hell of a larger chance of being alive if one does so.
To be more specific a 17 y.o. came forward as a witness and stated that he was brought to his knees by a round to his(Diaz) buttocks followed by a second shot to the back of his head and she saw the blood on his face as he was handcuffed while laying facedown in a small yard, not moving.
You use the word IF a lot in your story,nope did not see that he (Diaz) was running out of a house after having broken into it but by your logic or lack of, we can just do away with the justice system and let the GED cops act a judge, jury and executioner bet you’de like that, waistband warrior.
I was there, and ducked when police decided to disband an angry community, rubber bullets and all.
first, the crowed was mostly latino, young and pissed.
and let me say I feel them, they have all been stepped on, harrased, left out and marginalized by the system as a whole,
no jobs, little hope for the future, and the solid legit memory of being fucked over, by cops, teachers and the system. pressure builds in the commumity, and then am incodent that is all to common and the frustation boils over.
,,
cops are the visible part of an enemy that is so interwoven and hard to pinpoint, from yhe bankers to the military industrial complex, to just feeling shits fucked up and not having a meaningfull way to express that. so tensions are high, the cops show a rediculous amount of force to people who are at the end of their rope, and some sit gets burned, and broken.
Sad story but still not justification for what you all did last night.
Sorry.
“the cops show a rediculous amount of force to people who are at the end of their rope, and some sit gets burned, and broken.”
Sounds like a legitimate excuse to vandalize. (sarcasm).
Yeah, sucks. I wonder how many “stepped on, harassed…blah blah” actually ever worked to get their way out. Some do and some don’t.
A sob story doesn’t put responsibility for actions on others.
if you think this is a police state now, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet… it’s just the beginning of some biblically, seriously, ugly times…
Sad, but true.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-365465-tape-thomas.html
If I’m even in public as a lawful bystander and some dog attacks me unprovoked I guarantee that dog is going to be damn sore the next morning. He can only grab one arm at a time. That leaves the other one and 2 feet free. I’ve been attacked before by neighborhood dogs and I don’t play.
right on!
chicken – don’t you reach in your waistband to pull your cholo pants up or you will be shot twice too. One in the butt and one in the head! Its the new APD rules. Those rules are gonna cost the city a around $3 million. City taxpayers should feel good that once again Disneyland has been protected from gang scum!
Guess Tuco will have to turn in his Club 33 pass. Maybe I can sell it to the APD union boss!
Tuco no! club 33? no more free mason mingling? 😉
I’m waiting for Mickey Mouse to say: “Can we all just get along”. Disneyland is the only place in Anaheim that doesn’t have graffiti.
Julian Alexander was mistakenly shot dead by APD in Oct. 2008. People everywhere are paying closer attention.
The Jason Alexander story fell off the edge of the planet it seems. He was the black guy who was innocently standing on his front porch when APD fatally gunned him down. I know his family sued Anaheim PD and the city. I can find no record of the amount awarded. Does anyone know the outcome of the lawsuit? Why isn’t there any record of it in the news reports? Was that covered up too?
JustUs, it is Julian not Jason.
Thanks for the correction.
What ever happened to the lawsuit Alexander’s family filed against Anaheim for Julian’s death?
That shouldn’t be secret information if taxpayer money was used to pay a settlement – if that’s what happened.
I am not sure, but indeed we all should know. It costs all of us in many ways.
IF it was settled, it MAY have been a settlement that PRECLUDED reporting the amount, etc.
How is it possible to PRECLUDE reporting the amount of taxpayer dollars used to settle a lawsuit against the cop????
If they can do that we no longer live in America. We live in the Soviet Union. Those are TAXPAYER dollars we are talking about here. They aren’t private corporate dollars. This is OUR money used to pay that lawsuite. WE should have every right to know how much was paid out!
Why does it matter. I don’t understand. (other than the obvious liberty thing)
How would you like for someone to grab your money from your bank account and spend it to pay their bills without you knowing about it? I bet that would matter to you, wouldn’t it? 😉
Now do you understand?
So, you are not upset that the poor family got money. Just upset that we paid for it instead of the cop who pulled the trigger.
Yup. Now I got it. 🙂
Your reponse makes no sense.
Thanks for the victory.
The difference between Anaheim and Fullerton protests, is the good people of Fullerton were truly outraged and sincerely demanded change. In Anaheim, the majority of people out there last night were teenage gangbangers, mothers teaching their young children how to flip off the cops, and generally, folks just looking to cause trouble.
As a resident of Anaheim, I believe the police have gone overboard with use of force on occasion. I can’t speak to the killings this past weekend, as we really don’t know all the facts. If the guy had a gun, he must have been prepared to use it, and he deserves to be shot. Last night I didn’t feel secure enough in my own home, to open windows or doors, and was forced to listen to helicopters directly above me for some 10 hours. As I walked through downtown today, I could see the damage to the shops. The skate store, t-shirt store, Von’s, starbucks… etc. Why should these storekeepers be made victims?
In Fullerton, I fear the police. In Anaheim, I fear the thugs and gangbangers, and I support the APD for having taken charge of the situation last night.
Sorry you had to go through all that. A prisoner in your home, Hopefully things will get better.
Why make a universal statement? There are outstanding men and women in the FPD.
I think I just threw up a little….
So Kathy its ok to shoot someone who is running away and unarmed, in the back. You say that its ok because too many illegals live in Anaheim and the mothers are teaching kids to flip off the cops which is disrespectful.
Next time a kid mouths off at me I will shoot him in the back. Same thing! You have a complete lack of logic.
“too many illegals live in Anaheim”
The post did not say that, read it again. You said that. “PARENTS TEACH”. The question is “What Do You Teach Your Children”
Do you have a problem with ILLEGALS?
I do, does the word “Illegals” mean something?
BTW, I am a middle age white female, do you have a problem with that? I am legel.
Tuco – she didn’t say it was “OK”; she made it clear that “IF” he had a gun “AND” was prepared to use it then there could be consequences
So Tuco… Too many illegals in Anaheim is your statement, not mine. I never mentioned the word illegal. But yeah, when I see a picture of a mother, with two young children in a double stroller, and both hands in the air, flipping off the police, and no doubt she was screaming fuck you, I realize this is why their children grow up to torch, loot, vandalize, and victimize innocent people.
And Tuco, I never said, or otherwise implied, its okay to kill as a response to mouthing off. What I said was that if the gangbanger had a gun, (and its reported he did), then I feel he is prepared to use his gun, and he willfuly takes that chance of being shot dead. It’s more than disrespectful. Its a failure at parenting, and one of the reasons their children end up in prison, or dead.
So Tuco, perhaps had you refrained from adding to, and amending my post, to a statement that in no way reflects what I said, you might not so easily mistake sensibility for lack of logic.
And Tuco, I think its unfair to place Kelly Thomas in the same category as a guntoting gangbanger. Kelly was clearly a victim of police brutality. He threatened no one, pointed a gun at no one. If the same can be said of the others, then they too would be victims. And I do feel the APD, and all other police agencies should adopt a policy of “shoot to kill” as last resort instead of first response.
How do you know it is a failure of parenting? What if the parents did everything right? The responsibility MAY lie with the parents- but IT ABSOLUTELY lies with the boy.
agreed
Tuco, so do you have more logic in that brain of yours? I say, you need to “STAND DOWN”. Stop making up stories and putting words into other peoples blog, to suit yourself.
cg
Thank you.
welcome, I hate when bloggers make up stories and add words that were not said, reguardless, of what side they sit on.
APD were freefiring on people- firing with out warning; Amber Lyon a former CNN correspondent and Tim Poole citizen journalist were both fired on:
Tim Pool and Amber Lyon fired on by #Anaheim Police with “less lethal” rounds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkHKYYO9m0&feature=youtu.be …
“There were pieces of brain on the … darn grass, in front of all these children, in front of all these people,”
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/calif-police-shootings-spark-1483470.html
The question is. Why, if your a responsible parent would you even be anywhere close to this? A parent is suppose protect their child, not expose them to danger. Boy, there are some dumb parents out there.
Lots of people brought their kids to the protests in Fullerton last year.
A protest should be a safe space, in fact that’s the police’s job. That’s what we pay them for, to protect our First Amendment rights. Everybody should be bringing their kids to protests, its a lot healthier for them and their intellectual development then sitting around watching TV.
Because the shooting happened where they live – high density apartment neighborhood, in the middle of a summer day. How can you protect your child from danger when the police are shooting dead people on your doorstep? When they are shooting into your neighbors on your front lawn?
it was in their neighborhood, kids were outside….playing…..
One gun shot, should be enough to grab the kids and stroller and run the other way. Instead of just sittin there sayin OH MY GOD MY POOR KIDS!!! Can we say stupid parents….Let’s sit on the grass and look at the brains.
THE CAVEAT TO TONY BUSHALA
If you will continue these fights for justice in the streets, you my and up like your comrade Vern “Gröfaz” Nelson as shown on the Department Of Homeless Security evidence from the Anaheim. See exclusive http://orangejuice.ocsatire.com/images/Vern00.jpg
Is that you Stanley? Not many beers for you…..
Well, “cg”, I knew that you are a moron mongoloid but I did not now that you are stupid so you must ask.
Mean blogger. I thought you were being funny. I forgot we are not suppose respond to you, per GD. Sorry my bad.
“I thought you were being funny”…….. Hmmmmm
I was!
“a moron mongoloid”???? What the heck is your problem? That comment is just wrong and if you don’t recognize how wrong it is I feel sorry for you.
“What the heck is your problem?”…….. Hmmmmm
If I show you a picture of Obama and you ask Is it you Stanley then I must conclude that you are a moron mongoloid and stupid for asking.
PRM… uh, wrong. They were in my neighborhood, and I don’t consider starting fires, breaking windows, looting, and creating chaos as a form of play. Or it shouldn’t be anyway.
Is the neighborhood quiet tonight?
your comment is out of context….referring to SATURDAY, Kathy-not Tuesday….uh, duh!
American citizens have many ways to protest against police without rioting in the streets like a third world country. We have laws and a constition in America. Don’t be jerks by distroying private property and the very community you live in. When all the businesses and stores close and leave the neighborhood where will you buy groceries or work. How about that? Don’t pee in your own Pants. Teach your children.
JT. Sometimes settlements have a “no talk” rule attached; like ok we will pay you for your loss but you cant talk or tell anyone. Its so wrong to me but I didn’t make the rules.
The riot was near “the happiest place on earth”! You can be happy in Disneyland but you cannot protest in the city of Anaheim surrounding Disneyland. Next will be a no strollers ordinance!
“We’re planning a huge rally for [Tuesday], with multiple organizations all over California that are coming to lay siege on the steps of City Hall,” said Joanne Sosa, a community activist with the Take Back Anaheim initiative.
sounds like she had the riot planned…
and here in Asia, the main civil rights issue for Asian Americans is the failure of the police to guard stores from thugs and gang members, because Asians aren’t a minority.
the wedos protest,
La RAZA riots!!!
Yes.
Tuco:
May I just say that my impression of you is that you must really be an ass. And not too bright either.
You know I just went to Von’s, and I was surprised to see how much damage there was in the shopping center. One entire side of Von’s is boarded up, including the door. US Bank had its doors and windows boarded. And about 85 % of the stores and business’s suffered significant damage.
Where in the laws of protesting does it allow for breaking into banks and stores? Do you think the police should just let them empty the stores, the banks? Set them on fire and just let them burn. Just screw the dude who probably struggles daily to keep his tee shirt store open. Why should we care if his windows are smashed and his entire inventory stolen? Well, you may not care, but I do.
The people of Fullerton fought hard, and won. They didn’t accomplish such a task by emptying stores, vandalizing, and setting things on fire. Protesting a cause is a great thing. Inciting riots isn’t so great.
They also weren’t fired upon in the manner that the APD have been opening fire on their citizens. Just saying, the anger level is on a completely different plane in Anaheim than what it was in Fullerton. And APD’s handling of the situation has made it worse, not better.
For all these armed gangbangers running around the city needing to be shot it is amazing that when they are ‘rioting’ the only thing they are throwing at the cops are cans of pop and bottled water.
I agree. Of course, property damage and vandalism are not good. But on the moral scale when compared to shooting people in the head or killing innocent people on their doorsteps, this is NOTHING.
And yes, don’t you think that the REAL gangbangers are either showing incredibly restraint or are not even involved in the disturbance on Tues night? As Reader says, imagine the firepower they would bring if they were really interested in fighting the police -it would be a lot greater than beer bottles and rocks.
http://amberjamie.wordpress.com/category/officer-involved-shootings/
the guy had a gun. your point?
send those lowlifes to jail
Kathy, “the people of Fullerton fought hard and won.” What did they win? I missed something here.
There are no winners unless it’s the three officers who are no longer there. They got lucky, they don’t have to put up with the likes of Kelly’s Army anymore.
If Manuel Diaz’s past is not relavant why is a cops past relavant?
What is good for one is good for the other. Right? You can’t have it both ways.
Did the cop who shot Diaz even know who it was he was chasing and shooting? Had he been ID’d before he took off running? If he hadn’t, then his past is totally irrelevant as it had no bearing on his getting shot; it is justification after the fact (“Thank god we got a scumbag after all”).
If the cop has a history of shooting unarmed people running from him, it’s relevant, and easy enough to see why. If the cop is known in the neighborhood he patrols as being a bad cop, it’s just as relevant as knowing who Diaz was before opening fire. Possibly explains why the dude ran.
Though I would wager that neither of them know who the other way – cop just saw a gangbanger and the victim just saw a cop. Both reacted to type.
If Kelly Thomas could have run from the cops, he would be alive today. I suppose that makes running away from a cop who is going to kill you a perfectly reasonable tactic.
Of course it is.
When people know that the police routinely violate laws and commit acts of brutality upon innocent individuals (as has been documented in Fullerton and Anaheim) then running from them is nothing more than an attempt at self-preservation.
Shooting people merely because they are running from police is ridiculous, immoral, and unacceptable.
Anonymous II:
The citizens of Fullerton, including the members of “Kelly’s Army”, set forth in battle to bring about change within their community, most importantly police brutality and accountability. Did they win something? I’d say so. They won the opportunity to take their city back, and bring about those changes. They won the satisfaction and sense of pride in standing together, united in their cause. I don’t think the outcome would have been as favorable to them if their demands were supported with violence and mayhem, or by destroying their own community, and victimizing people who have no connection to the events that incited their rage.
I think Fullerton is seeing the amazing results of what can be accomplished by speaking out, and protesting in a civilized manner.
Also, I believe Tony Bushala is to be credited for generously using his resources for the good of his city. I hope Fullerton’s history will acknowledge and remember him as a true and dedicated friend who made a difference, and brought positive change.
Only love can conquer hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETIjVvv1Ds
I was working when the Los Angeles riots from Rodney King broke out in South Central LA. Today I would say at least 50% of the stores that provide basic services are gone, the businesses never rebuilt. The rest of the stores are marginalized. Now the residents do not have local grocery stores, like Von’s or even gas stations. Along with the jobs leaving area too, the the property values have been hit. The good people on Anaheim need to take a lesson of how not to do police reform
Well said.
It was a duck. Quack.
http://act.presente.org/sign/anaheimbrutality/?source=presente_website
I’m pretty sure the city won by removing incompetent councilmen and dangerously violent police officers. I guess it wasn’t a victory for people who support incompetency, dishonesty, and brutality; mainly a few politicians/cops, and their brainwashed wives and children.
wrong.
Pretty sure the cop started it when he executed some dude in broad daylight. Man, you’d think these po-po supporters would understand that when you get an overpaid job there are responsibilities that come with the badge; Namely not killing people because you are trigger happy or want to teach them a lesson.
That sucks for the people of South Central L.A. Grace. To think 4 thugs with badges could destroy/alter the lives of so many with their stupidity and not even give a shit. I bet it’s the same with Cicinelli, Ramos, Wolfe, and the others.
Is it time to run the “waistband” post again?
Anaheim cop instigator?
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/07/anaheim_police_riots_plant.php
The LA Times is reporting the Anaheim police shot and killed another unarmed man this morning. There are many news trucks at the Police Department right now.
Why didnt the APD cop chase the victim down on foot?
This “wasteband grab” and shooting people in the back has got to stop. Cop should have made an effort by getting off his ass and running after the guy. Why didn’t he even try? Just shout a command then use deadly force? Maybe cops should not carry Guns so when they lose their cool they wont think they are God a kill people. In EU police don’t carry guns.
Marchers – don’t bunch up, watch your spacing.
Police infiltrators and informants will volunteer for march marshal positions. They will then work to “keep everyone together” for “safety” to make the march physically smaller and easier to control, and to lessen the effectiveness of signs and banners.
Don’t be fooled – a compact crowd is an easier target than a diffuse one, it is less safe.
Make ranks – don’t break ranks.
Watch your spacing – spread out and command more ground.
-b
What a difference a year makes? Police are increasingly becoming more violent and are being told we are the enemy and we want to hurt them.
I will find some fault with the protesters and add that just because a person who is hispanic is shot and killed doesn’t mean the cops are racists. What does that accusation say for the Hispanic officers? Also, there is no Hispanic race. Ther are many nationalities but according to its definition it is not and never has been a race.
No excuse for the cops, just saying that they, the protesters, used the wrong word. They should have used tyrannical if those men shot did not do what we’ve been told, but since cops are more likely to shot and ask questions later, we can go with tyrannical. Welcome to the Police State!
When protesters start to vandalize shops and streets. Cops have to stop them because it has gone from being a protest to a riot. I personally think it absolutely fine for the cops to shoot the dumb bastards with real bullets for rioting. 😀 GO COPS!!
On second thought. Screw it. You people seem to think they are corrupt and worthless anyways. Suspend every cop for 1 week. See how well that works out for you.