Sandy Springs, GA is an inspiration and gives hope that if the people elect community leaders that actually care about the community more than they do their pocket and the pocket books of their friends, a community can thrive in the worst of times.
I do not know how the election will go, but I highly recommend the leaders of Fullerton watch this video.
Note that, ironically, the one service they did not outsource is the Police but they did note they took extreme measure to not fall into the union pension trap.
Great ad! as I was passing the Pennysaver from the mail to the trash, all I noticed was the “Jan Flory”, and “now she is back”. Thanks Tony for a publishing a hit piece that looks like an endorsement!
Hell no! But I will go after the ad. Refunds to homeowners and landlords but not renters? Refunds to landlords on monies paid by their renters? I get the feeling that there must be some rich developer behind this!
Anyway, I’m sure that people just love getting nasty politics, before Labor Day even, with their coupon books. That doesn’t play into the “rich mofo buying the election” narrative at all! I hope that Tony did buy the next nine covers too!
I’m sure those renters are going to storm City Hall.
Yes it’s unfair. So blame Jan Flory and Sharon Quirk who supported this rip-off for 6 and 7 years, respectively (I’ll give Quirk a pass on year 8 even tho’ she stalled and and stalled right along with the Three Tree Stumps for the entirety of FY 2011-12>
Nice line up you’ve got there.
And, oh, how did that “he’s buying an election” work out for the Old Guard last time.
“He’s buying an election” did not work that well with the smaller primary electorate (compared to the larger and more liberal general electorate, now with added students), at a time when the issue was whether and how to respond to the sluggish council majority’s response to the Kelly Thomas killing. Now that rough justice has been done, it’s a new ballgame — otherwise I don’t see we’d be seeing this ad out before Labor Day, eh? Someone’s skeered!
You’ve still never established that about 2/3 of the water tax was “illegal,” by the way. But don’t worry, surely that will not come off as discrediting overstatement to those who read these ads, all of whom, like you and your FFFF colleagues themselves, would like to see city government and services collapse. Just continue on as you are, “Fred”!
You still don’t get it. That 2/3 number wads cooked up by a paid-off consultant and was not even accepted by the Water rate Committee.
In any case, Prop 218 requires a legitimate fee study – not some self-serving BS to hang on to as much ill-gotten gain as possible. You are obviously unaware (among many other things, I’m sure) that the City already charges directly to the Water Fund for all water-related expenses – including those that were described in the ordinance. It was a pure, double-dip rip off.
I’m satisfied with saying that the amount of the water fee that went towards what water fees are actually supposed to go for was not “an illegal tax.” The best estimates I’ve heard about that figure are: about 2/3. Do you think that the water system has required no money at all for the past decades?
If the renters pay a SEPARATE water tax since they would be paying for their own utilities, then they deserve a tax rebate. If renters do not pay separately for utilities and it is buried into their monthly rental fee, they would not be reimbursed. If I pay $1000 a month property tax on a 4 unit rental and each unit has a different size and each unit uses different amounts of water, how am I going to divvy up the water tax refund? If I get a property tax reduction because I petitioned the county assessor, do I also give that back to the renters?
Tuco, really, i thought you were smarter. Like when you teamed up with Blondie to get arrested and then escape at the last minute.
This Diamond creature has no interest in this issue except to defend whatever BS Flory and Quirk are defending. In this case by making the idea of a refund real, real complicated.
You’re right — they would not be reimbursed. It would be a windfall for landlords who, at the time that the property was being rented, were passing the fees on to their tenants. The difference between us is that that disturbs me and you seem to think that it’s just fine.
X-hippie — it’s actually really easy. No refunds should be given for rental property at all unless it’s clear that they would go to those who rented the property at the time (which would be mostly long-term tenants.)
Dear Mr. Diamond – Guess you’re not familiar with how Fullerton water billing works. On apts, owner gets the bill; on single family homes–depends, but owner will usually get shut off notice no matter who get iniital bill. I would think refunds would no to the account holder (one gets the bill).
Guess your not familiar with whether utility costs are figured into the rent charged to tenants for their apartments. Tenants paid more rent based on this assessment; now you want landlords to get the refund.
Of course it is – but that’s between landlord and tenant.
And the tenants, over how many years, likely can’t be located. So this is pure windfall profit for landlords.
Can you imagine what would FFFF would say about that expense of public money — reimbursing people for money they never actually paid — if it weren’t, um, so “landlord-friendly”?
Maybe the city could set up escrow accounts for tenants instead of giving landlords money that the tenants paid (and will not have the individual means to use the court system to obtain. Classic class-action situation.)
That is it!
The “escrow accounts for tenants” and appoint Golem as its trustee.
Brilliant!
Wow, a lesson in economics from Mr. Wealth Redistribution.
What you’re favoring here IS “wealth redistribution” — it’s just redistribution from the poorer classes to the wealthier classes, just the way that Tony and Travis apparently like it.
hot-dog diamond most if not all renters do not pay water utillity’s. so why should they be compenstated for something they never contributed to.
explain that you occu-turd!
Right, the landlords pay utilities — which then goes into the rent that they demand (and get) for a given property. You think that landlords just eat these costs? Ask one.
Why don’t you contact your landlord greg and offer to pay the H2O directly, then you would be immune to such abuses by the evil landlord that OWNS the place you live and rents to you.
The commune is looking better and better eh.
But then again REDACTED like the rest of them.
You’d have to be a complete idiot to read the idea that property owners shouldn’t charge rent from my comment — so tell me, how did you come to this conclusion?
It’s more efficient (and for all I know only possible) for the property owner to pay the cold water bill. It’s understood that an estimate of the water usage goes into determining the rent — and that if I am running a swimming pool filling business out of my apartment that I should expect a rental increase. Wouldn’t you think?
As for your being sure of anything about me: do we know each other? All I know of you is that you’re apparently not me.
The only thing surprising about this is that the Pennysaver is still published.
True Balls. Penny saver horrible choice. But I imagine he splurged a million at least so it’s prolly going in all te local papers and in all the mailboxes too.
We’re two different people. I have no idea who the Korpulent Kop is.
What I’ll find out in November is whether Tony’s spending 4-5x (or more) the median income of an adult Fullerton resident is enough to snooker the population. If not, great; if so, readily explicable and nothing for you to be proud of.
The truth will set you free. And the truth is that Flory is responsible for most of the problems that she criticizes Kiger and Whitaker of not being able to solve.
That’s quite a piece of work you’ve got going for you there. Flory has a record and I’m glad the voters of Fullerton are going to find out about it.
The only snookering going on is being perpetrated by Flory.
Was she ever part of a working majority of the Council? I thought that it’s been no more than two Democrats at all times. This strains the concept of her being “responsible” for so many ills. (This is not my only possible response to you, but I’m legitimately interested in the answer, so it comes first.)
coupon clippers= i love getting ripped off? how can a human brain even work like that
From a marketing standpoint it is brilliant. Everyone in Fullerton gets the Pennysaver. Not everyone reads it but ALL see and read the cover. It does not have the same feel as a gloss mailer and remains the household in plain view away from the trash can considerably longer. Not to mention the 50 year anniversary of the publication lends more credence to the supposed cover story.
WG, After watching last night’s public comments I was a little disheartened at what people had to say, however, I noticed the similarities between those comments and the tactics mentioned on the previous blog. Is there some kind of movement from FFFF posters or Kelly’s Army in the works to respond against the new lobbying movement including Jan Flory’s nonsense?
The blue shirts have been told by the FPOA that a show of force at the City Council meetings is mandatory.
I go to the City Council meetings all the time and find that attendees like these are kind of like church where some only show up at Easter and Christmas and you never see them the rest of the year.
Wait, I can’t tell if this is supposed to be a parody of me or you’re speaking for yourself. If the former, you blew it; most people who have discussed it with know that I’m not a fan of Costco pizza. Nor have I ever eaten off of a FPOA food truck.
I get the sense that I’m haunting your dreams or something. Sorry about that if so.
Hey Texan, why don’t you worry about that shit hole state you live in and stay out of our business. Shouldn’t you be getting ready for a Klan rally or to fuck a goat or something?
No kidding. One of them called Jan Flory a whore for old men “thousandaires” a week or so ago. I asked people to join me in condemning it, but no one did. Maybe you’ll have better luck with this one! (Not that this place is partisan or anything.)
To be honest, I rarely read the Observer unless someone I know sends me a head’s up to read a particular story, which isn’t that often. If you had a criticism of their partisanship, for all I know I’d agree with it. (Of course, that the Observer may be partisan doesn’t mean that FFFF isn’t.)
I came into this debate as a foe of the previous Council majority’s retaining control — and as one hopeful that if there were a new libertarian Council majority it would at least stay its hand in doing anything too radical before the November election. Well, I got half of what I wanted.
My feeling right now is that Fullerton needs checks and balances within its city government. I think it’s healthy right now for Fullerton not to have any single faction in charge — neither the Ackerman majority of old or the Bushala majority of new. That’s pretty non-partisan.
Now before anyone says it — yes, I’m rooting for both Democratic candidates, who if elected would with Doug Chaffee give Fullerton a Democratic majority — but I think that the Democrats are least likely of the three major factions to overreach. Especially with Sebourn still on Council (and Whitaker likely to retain his seat), there’s plenty to keep them honest in the upcoming labor negotiation with FPOA.
I can absolutely believe that the previous contracts have been too slanted towards police — but the solution to that is a fair contract, not some sort of revenge. I think that Democrats will understand that they can’t roll over for the FPOA’s maximalist demands, even as they also will understand that it’s stupid to try to destroy that union.
(Note: as a party official, given the endorsement of Flory and Jaramillo by the DPOC, I can now no longer promote Jane Rands’s candidacy — that’s part of the price one pays for being a party official — but obviously I went on record about it before that endorsement took place.)
p.s. I’d really like to know if you think that the contents of the articles which have no author are “non-partisan” as the Fullerton Observer Editor, Sharon Kennedy, claims to be.
They seemed OK to me. What parts offended you?
P.S. They called her a whore for “thousandaires.” That’s beyond “partisan,” eh? Even misogynistic, wouldn’t you say?
“Even ‘misogynistic’, wouldn’t you say?”……… Hmmmmm
Did you meant to say masturbatistic or musturbatistic as coined by Albert Ellis?
Your vocabulary Golem is so sophisticated and so university intellect rich showing that you could have been Zeta Beta Tau (ZBT) Jewish fraternity.
Anyone still wondering why I suspended Stanley from OJB?
I kind of like Stanley Fiala’s barbs.
The anti-Semitic ones especially, the masturbation-themed ones, or all of them?
“The anti-Semitic ones especially”……… Hmmmmm
You still did not got your tinfoil Yamaka to protect you against your inner dark voices?
Fullerton Lover, do not answer him it is a setup by Golem.
Come on Greg. How many times do we have to tell you this?
It is not all Travis and Tony posting, not even close. It is many, many people. They use fake names. We don’t know who they are. They are speaking only for themselves. Their comments are not moderated but published in real time. There is nobody working full-time on finding every tasteless comments and deleting it. In fact, I don’t even know how many of the bloggers have that capability, but I don’t. Thank God.
We can’t control what people post anymore than what people think. A lack of condemnation doesn’t mean people agree, condone or like particular comments. With many of the trolls or idiots, if you ignore them, after a while they go away. So its not worth anybody’s time to go through hundreds of comments looking for things to condemn. If it makes you feel any better, I think about 10% of all comments here are entirely tasteless. It is better some times, worse other times. What’s important to realize is that the people running the blog are not condoning racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, misogyny, discrimination, etc. So if you can’t bring yourself to just ignore it, go ahead and fight it, but the whole point of trolling is to get a reaction, so when you respond, they win.
Pretty funny, ‘nista, for you to be saying this just above where some commenters DID respond accordingly to a robustly anti-Semitic comment from Fiala and called for his banning. (One called for mine too — but again, they just don’t like to be challenged.) That stood out for its being unusual — but it does happen and it should happen more.
You’re setting up a straw man. I don’t say that Tony and Travis make all, or even most, of the comments here. It seems to me to be very unlikely that they don’t make some, though — more than are written under “admin” or their own names. So that leaves us to wonder: which of those comments are theirs?
Normally, it wouldn’t matter much — but normally, one of the people running a blog like this isn’t a councilperson and the other didn’t just finance a recall and buy wins for two of his acolytes.
They don’t have to say — but then they can’t really complain much when we speculate and when voters who don’t want anyone who’s writing a particular kind of crap here decide to play it safe.
“I don’t say that Tony and Travis make all, or even most, of the comments here.”……….. Hmmmmmm
Paranoia, Paranoia, Paranoia!
Any reasonable person must conclude that if they used their real names in the OJ before your arrival there, that thy wouldn’t use their real names here too!
hey now, that’s not necessary! can you not have some respectful dialog? perhaps the texan is FROM fullerton… and therefore still concerned about it? calm down and chill out.
I’m actually from Texas and got acquainted with Fullerton through the unfortunate and senseless murder of Kelly Thomas. Since then I’ve come to care quite about Fullerton and the people who live there and with whom I communicate on the FFFF blog. I think in some respects Fullerton is a great example of political awareness and action that a lot of other cities in the US should follow. I really hope to visit someday.
Another police troll. I only look at the front cover before I toss it. Thus, I see the ad on the cover. You probably throw all your mail away unless its certified mail from the process server!
I cut the coupons for the recycler guys…. $.10 a pound more on recycleables is great…. People do look at these things or people would not put ads in them.
Yeah 99% of us do too Mechanic….. Thanks Concerned Texan. Your welcome in Fullerton anytime….. Hopefully when you visit most of the trash will be finally taken out……
Quite reasonable if you do a certain number of ads per quarter. Lets see, Sept Oct and one week of November. He got the 10 weekly issue discount. And anonymous must be jealous.
The Pennysaver ad is genius! Way to go! I can hardly wait for the next council meeting just to watch Jan’s response.
Then there’s Sharon – like I said last time I commented about her – her attitude and behavior is terribly unprofessional. She looks and acts as if she’s miserable – now that I think about it – she most likely is.
Do any of you posting comments so far seriously believe this is a *real* pennysaver cover? I ask because several of you certainly seem to be taking it at face value!
lol I asked the same thing when I saw only a picture of it thus morning. Then I got my mail which included the Pennysaver with this cover. Yes, it’s real.
It’s brilliant. You don’t have to read the Pennysaver but you can’t miss the cover. And it went to every household. Well done!
I got mine in the mail yesterday. I’ll try and bring a few extra copies to the next City Council meeting for those of you who didn’t receive one in the mail. Come to think of it, maybe I’ll ask Jan Flory if she would autograph one as a keepsake.
I think that it is a brilliant marketing and inexpensive idea. Better than the usual color brochures costing 30K+ to mail each time and which are discarded on the arrival.
Too bad that I didn’t thought of it when I was running for the mayor of Santa Ana in 2004, 2006, 2008.
I like it!
I think that you will see many to follow bringing the cost substantially higher.
Tuco Ramirez :
Stanley why did you stop after 2008? There was 2010 and now 2012 also!
………… Hmmmmmmmm
I was fright that I would win the mayoral race because I was getting too good in it. In 2004 I got 10,000 votes.
Unfortunately, I got several visits from SAPD13 death squad, two homicide detectives, alleging that I want to kill Thomas Gordon during the 2006 debates.
So I realized that it is time to quit.
I would be totally fearless running for any office in the old Communist Czechoslovakia or during the NAZI Protectorate, but in the Santa Ana these SAPD13 union goons make you disappear like Jimmy Hoffa.
They even murdered mother Susie Young Kim, execution stile, in front of her crying 18 mo old daughter who was begging Walters goons not to kill her mother, pleas, pleas pleas. They did shoot her anyway Syrian stile in back of her head.
Look what these PD union goons are doing in Costa Mesa to mayor pro tem and OC DA is looking other way soiling his pants.
It is fascism in its best!
I even wrote to Obama asking him to intervene and he essentially replied “fuck you Stan”.
So did I answered your question?… or is it full of hate?
She might as well be telling people that it was Tony Bushala who was the beneficiary of the 10% illegal tax so he could live in his 5,000 foot yacht. And now Flory’s going to see to it that the city gets the money back from Bushala to pay for a new water pipe system throughout the city.
In a case similer to highly publisized one here in fullerton the circumstances drew swift action from “Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck has relieved the commanding officer of the Foothill division from duty and is demoting him over his handling of a use-of-force incident against a 34-year-old woman in Tujunga last week.
“I have serious concerns about this incident and I believe the commanding officer of Foothill area was severely deficient in his response,” Beck said. “Proper steps were not taken, including appropriate notifications and the removal of the involved officers from the field. ”
How can we nominate a chief that also did not as captain respond with appropriate quick reaction to a similar involving police misapropriation of force. Who allowed review of the video of officers to write their police reports.
He is not being demoted. He is staying as a Captain. He is just getting a paycut from Step 3 to Step 1. So he is being punished for not handling the incident appropriately, but he is not being demoted.
Here is some of the Ooooops information from some of the news articles. Oooopss!! Sounded great at first but a little quick judgement also.
Clarification: An earlier version of this article reported the commanding officer has been stripped of his rank. That officer has been “downgraded” from commanding officer, but will still retain the rank of captain, according to LAPD spokeswoman Karen Rayner.
Well, my…my…my…would this be considered discipline yet allowed to be released for public info? Did Beck just screw up or is there a way around this that some law enforcement leaders choose to overlook?
Where is all that POBAR info that our police officers are always citing. Seems like Charlie Beck didn’t heed POBAR when he announced the demotion by 2 pay grades of the LAPD Commander at Foothill Division.
Lets see, Hughes was the Captain and Commander of the group at FPD that was involved in the Kelly Thomas beating death. Thus, Joe Felz could have demoted Hughes on the payscale at any time. Too bad Joe did nothing. He is part of the Culture of Corruption.
How about the next cover of the Fullerton area Pennysaver with photo of Acting Chief Dan Hughes along with inserts of Blatney, Hampton and Craig, with the caption stating “Acting Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes has Allowed These Accomplices to Murdering Local Homeless Man, Kelly Thomas to Return to Work; at YOUR Police Department!”
Great idea. The execs over at the Pennysaver could probably have this publication double as a tabloid or op ed politcal opinion piece or at least begin adding a journalism component. After all its been 50 years and they are in the process of undergoing a major restructuring as we speak.
Great ad and choice of ad space. One critique, Should of scared the city more with a larger picture of her face. When I scroll through FFFF and have to see her face it scares the holy living shit outta me!!
“Placentia is one of the cities where police now pay zero toward their retirement costs — which is at odds with the reform bill pending in Sacramento, which would mandate that public workers eventually pick up half those costs”
Not really. Most PDs are implementing a two tier system. New people are on 2@55 and retire at 55. They pay their 9%. Existing pay their 9% and still are on 3@50 and can retire at 50. Browns proposals may impact some portions of public safety.
Tuco Ramirez :
Where is all that POBAR info that our police officers are always citing. Seems like Charlie Beck didn’t heed POBAR when he announced the demotion by 2 pay grades of the LAPD Commander at Foothill Division.
Lets see, Hughes was the Captain and Commander of the group at FPD that was involved in the Kelly Thomas beating death. Thus, Joe Felz could have demoted Hughes on the payscale at any time. Too bad Joe did nothing. He is part of the Culture of Corruption.
Why would they do anything. Nobody’s going anywhere’s. The FPD bought off the the new reformed city council. Ramos and cintelli will be back in uniform after the DAs office drops the case against them and then will be in for a big settlement suit.
Second, I have no idea how much this cost but I will say that if the cost was less than printing and postage for a similar size piece this is a brilliant way to get in every mailbox on the cheap.
Flory better have something more going for her than the cop union who actually backed Leland Wilson to have her thrown off the council in the first place.
The million dollar question of today is: Has Mrs. Flory seen it yet? If so, I wonder if she has something unwittingly obtuse to say about it on her facebook page…
Fullerton police murder an innocent homeless man on camera. They leave the officers on duty, charges take months instead of a grand jury being called, and the old guard supporters remain silent and NEVER voice their outrage over what happened. Promotions roll.
LAPD rag dolls a cell phone violator on a fast food joint camera and they are placed on leave immediately and the captain is demoted. Sellers goes out out cholesterol leave and Beck rolls heads. The people that DON’T see a problem here are living proof that the booze, the aspartame, and the elevated fluoride and bromine water levels are doing their job. You are fools and your children and your grandchildren will grow up in a very dangerous society while you suck your thumbs in front of your TVs enjoying all the filth that will become your reality.
I read that article this morning and I’ve been wondering to myself: could their swift response have been influenced by what they saw happen to Kelly Thomas as well as the reaction of the residents of Fullerton?
So you noticed the similarities between the two incidents as well? I noticed that significant violence and abuse over a non threatening “suspect” because of language is a common theme. Also, the fist bump at the end made me a little sick to my stomach. What did you think about different positions of the cops? They seem to come from opposite ends of the spectrum; one was a 22 year veteran while the other had been on the force for only 10 months.
The old guy shouldn’t be training anyone to do anything, he should have been fired immediately. The young guy needs to see him being fired, and then hopefully he sees the civil suit brought upon them both by the driver.
When the young guy goes to depositions and under oath has to rat on the old guy, he will learn quickly. The old guy will scream to the union for help and the city will settle the lawsuit way before a trial since it is simply embarrassing! The city can no longer just call Gennaco in, they have been under a Federal judges orders for years. They finally worked their way off of Federal charges. Last thing Beck wants is a return of federal investigators, so he made swift work of this. You demote the Captain who was the Commander and it tells him and the next Commander, your guys screw up, you get caught on video, you are toast! It does tighten up discipline really well. Compared to the Sheriff Baca, Beck is a WIZARD!
Maybe if the FPD brass had done that with the Veth Mam videotape Kelly Thomas would be alive today. Maybe.
He’s not being demoted! He got a pay step decrease.
The trainee is on promotion. If he didn’t lie in the reports then he will be back with another trainee soon. If he did he’s gone. Probationer.
I thought Chief Beck did an outstanding job sending a crystal clear message to the troops that this sort of thuggish behavior will not be tolerated any longer.
I think so too, but you have to think that Federal oversight had something to do with it…
Well! Here’s more proof that Jan Flory isn’t really “thin-skinned” at all, but just a “normal-skinned” person reacting to abnormally ludicrous and withering attacks by repulsive anonymous critics who are inexplicably tolerated (and encouraged) at Tony & Travis’s website.
I’ll add this to my collection of FFFF highlights.
oh and according to you its also okay to beat and kill a homeless man as long as he’s white.
but if hes black and gets a million dollars it’s okay.
right you said that a few weeks ago, am i right?
Greg Diamond :
What you’re favoring here IS “wealth redistribution” — it’s just redistribution from the poorer classes to the wealthier classes, just the way that Tony and Travis apparently like it.
And how, exactly do you know what I’m favoring? Are you a mentalist or just mental.
I agree. they get so off topic all the time. I remember when R E A L I T Y I S was considered a pain. He got banned right away. Bring him back and ban these two nutballs. LOL. I had to type this twice just because RI”s name is banned on here and goes to moderation if you use his name LOL
yes, agreed — off topic ALL the time, and they both bring alot of hostility and negativity and vulgarity, which none of us need here. A little off topic once in awhile isn’t bad, heck I’ve done it, but when it’s constantly nasty, I’m done with it.
Yes we all get off topic a bit but at least we offer all different view points. It would be no fun if everyone agreed on everything. No point in having a blog that way.
Differing opinions are fine — bringing hate and garbage isn’t.
Plus, DQ, they’re competing with the hostility, negativity, and vulgarity of the FFFF bloggers. Which, by the way, is the exact reason that many of Bushala’s and Kiger’s supporters come here.
Diamond is fine… at least entertaining… Stanley most go!
I am sure that the only value it brought to your damaged brain from a partial birth abortion, by batched up suction, a reason to munch on pup corns and getting fat.
So that means that you’re opposed to giving money to landlords that they had previously built into their tenants’ rent? Good for you! Atypical for FFFF, though.
Someone who lives nearby was asking me about the upcoming city council elections and if I thought Bruce and Travis would be replaced. My answer? Not on your life. Why?
As I told this person, Tony and Travis have done a great job of running a social media campaign. If anyone else would like to step up to the plate and also run an effective social media campaign as they’ve done, I personally believe you have a chance.
This doesn’t mean I agree with everything on here though. As a matter of fact, I asked this person if they read their Pennysaver.
“Whaa? Really?? A political ad? Hang on, lemme fish it out of the trash. Y’know, I never read the thing…”
Hmm. Let’s say the Penny Saver goes to 65,000 addresses in Fullerton. Lets say only 25% are picked up by registered voters who look at the cover and 10% get the message.
That’s 1600 touches. If only half resonate, that still 800 hooks and potential votes. That first mailing alone could make the nut all by itself. And I suspect more are coming.
Y’know Ad Man, you are right. Betcha never thought you’d hear that out of me. I stand corrected. You are right! And I bet the Pennysaver is loving you right now for all the free advertising!
Greg Diamond :
Was she ever part of a working majority of the Council? I thought that it’s been no more than two Democrats at all times. This strains the concept of her being “responsible” for so many ills. (This is not my only possible response to you, but I’m legitimately interested in the answer, so it comes first.)
“Working” majority?” What the hell are you talking about? Flory approved of the Water Tax; she approved of the 3@50 for the cops; she approved giving away public streets and valuable development rights to her developer buddies. It’s all in the record and I have the feeling it will all be coming out in the very near future.
I mean was she ever regularly the deciding vote on any issues, as you have seen for the past years of 3-2 majorities. You could have asked me more nicely to define the term.
Yeah, she (like the rest of the Council) approved of the water tax on the advice of those suggesting that it was just fine (and most of it may well have been legal.) She approved of a pension plan that brought Fullerton into accord with the rest of the county. She approved redevelopment of a downtown that was falling into ruin. What a scandal.
Redevelopment is a scandal, especially when the main beneficiaries are a public official’s cronies.
“.. the most comprehensive independent
study of California RDAs, conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, found that
redevelopment activities in most RDAs studied failed to generate enough growth in property values to account for the tax increment revenues they received. A small body of academic literature also examines the extent to which TIF projects boost economic activity, and some of this research finds evidence that TIF projects simply shift economic activity within municipalities rather than creating additional economic activity. For example, one study suggests that when employment increases in TIF project areas, it decreases in other parts of the city, which could mean that TIF projects draw jobs from elsewhere in the city, rather than generating net new jobs.”
Its a scam, Greggie, and Ms. Flory was good at it. Is that what the Democratic Party supports these days? Scams that are opposed by grassroots activists across the political spectrum?
I’m with the rest of my party (as opposed to Republicans) lined up with the Governor against redevelopment. The system got rotten. But while redevelopment has its problems — believe me, in studying up on my opponent Bob Huff, I know about them — it does not always involve shoveling money to cronies and is sometimes addressing real public needs rather than the private need to get rich.
Tell me how you think that Fullerton’s downtown would have fared without redevelopment. Yes, the public would still have a patch of sidewalk outside of a restaurant and there would be fewer bars and fewer drunken fraternity members at night — conceded. What problems were Flory and the then-council trying to solve at the time, though, and did that work. She was making decisions before much of the more recent information about redevelopment came out — and if there’s any material about her personally shoveling money to cronies, we’d be reading about it here every day.
You’re still fighting Tony’s battles from years ago about Downtown, which when you get past the sloganeering are really of little interest to most people. (And you wonder why I think that Tony writes (or has written) a lot of this stuff!)
It was a nice historic downtown, in need of opening up a few good places that the locals would want to hang out. Instead it became the beneficiaries of 50 bars, many of whom the locals don’t want to hang out at. It would have done much better without redevelopment. The developers funded the election committee of the councilmembers, Dems and Repubs. And redevelopment wasn’t a great thing that turned bad. It was a bad idea that got worse.
It’s a wise campaign decision (for a certain sort of person), considering the contributions to be had — so long as he can write anonymously. Otherwise, well … sad!
Dictionary:
an·ti-Sem·ite (²n”t¶-sµm“ºt”, ²n”tº-) n. One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews. –an”ti-Se·mit“ic (-s…-m¹t“¹k) adj.
Where is “Discrimination” and “Hostility” in my statement “majority landlords are Jewish”?
See Following;
Dictionary:
dis·crim·i·nate (d¹-skr¹m“…-n³t”) v. dis·crim·i·nat·ed, dis·crim·i·nat·ing, dis·crim·i·nates. –intr. 1.a. To make a clear distinction; distinguish: discriminate among the options available. b. To make sensible decisions; judge wisely. 2. To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice: was accused of discriminating against women; discriminated in favor of his cronies. –tr. 1. To perceive the distinguishing features of; recognize as distinct: discriminate right from wrong. 2. To distinguish by noting differences; differentiate: unable to discriminate colors. [Latin discrºmin³re, discrºmin³t-, from discrºmen, discrºmin-, distinction. See krei- below.] –dis·crim“i·nate (-n¹t) adj. –dis·crim“i·nate·ly adv.
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hos·til·i·ty (h¼-st¹l“¹-t¶) n., pl. hos·til·i·ties. 1. The state of being hostile; antagonism or enmity. See Synonyms at enmity. 2.a. A hostile act. b. hostilities. Acts of war; overt warfare.
Your statement “majority (of) landlords are Jewish” is rather racist. That’s what everyone is offended by. I’m not surprised that I need to spell it out for you. Without you even knowing it, at least you wear it on your sleeve, unlike some of the other party members here.
Yup. Stanley is a bright and often witty guy with a chewy center of long-ago inculcated old-school anti-Semitism. After a while, I got sick of it on OJB. Spell it out for him all you want; he still won’t be able to process it. “What’s bred in the bone….”
The Fullertonista :
It goes beyond this. I heard a report that Beck instructed all police officers to view this tape as an example of what NOT to do. From the LA Times: “Beck said he ordered the video shown at roll calls when officers begin their shifts.” http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/lapd-body-slam-video-chief-charlie-beck.html
Maybe if the FPD brass had done that with the Veth Mam videotape Kelly Thomas would be alive today. Maybe.
That would have encouraged brutality, sadly submitted. There are probably 100,000s of those videos in their possesion.
Agree. 100%. He did great. He got in front of the storm before it rained. Deflected the pressure. Media even published the wrong information with the “demotion” and had to fix that but most people just saw demotion and were shocked at his quick work.
Fullerton Lover :
I thought Chief Beck did an outstanding job sending a crystal clear message to the troops that this sort of thuggish behavior will not be tolerated any longer.
It is a two grade demotion on the payscale of the BOSS of the division. At the very least it is totally humiliating. #1 his name was called out. #2 the video is being played to all divisions in the morning. #3. It shows Charlie Beck is in charge.
Do not belittle the punishment. WHen you are a captain and want commander pay and instead are demoted two pay grades on the pay scale, called out in front of the entire city of Los Angeles and videoed as to why to every division police location in the city, that is a MAJOR punishment. Of course, he can now get sick and retire on disability like the last two Fullerton PD chief and acting chief.
Again, we have three Cowboys on our city council who are hell bent on furthering their Libertarian agenda without doing the most minimal research to determine the consequences of their rash acts.
I heard Flory was a member of M.O.L.S.S – Mothers Of Lying Sacks of Shit. You know since her creepy kid was busted for lying about a DAs endorsement and for egregious courtroom behavior.
Maybe she nursed him too long and he sucked up all that bitter bile.
I believe Mr. Kiger has only strengthened his position on the council. Most people are fed up with the police state and the gestapo tactics. Unfortunately the goal of the establishment and its whore media that most everyone is addicted to including their children are being trained to become animals so that they can be treated like animals. Go to the airport and opt out of the leukemia machines and watch as some TSA ass clown puts on the gloves and gets real intimate with you and if you are really lucky -into your pants. What the hell -lets have em work with the military and local law enforcement at CHECKPOINTS while we are at it. That is where this is going and you know it is true. The checkpoints garnished with the grants, and the OT are just greasing the skids for you all to look the other way when it comes time to begin taking DNA swabs and deploying mobile backscatterers. If we could only be so blessed lets hope that they don’t forget the forced vaccinations-especially for your children as they will be coming to a checkpoint near you soon. I felt that I needed to repeat myself here. Such blind support for grant money is very dangerous. MADD needs to go picket in front of ALL THE DAMNED BARS instead of lobbying to dragnet everyone. Fullerton is breaking the addiction to the grants with strings a mile long that take us down the river Cocytus. The vote showed true leadership that someday you will all realize was long overdue.
Hey Porky, I see how you always refer to Tony’s money. I heard Tony had his gold toilet cast when gold was $500 an ounce. It took 30 pounds of gold to make that toilet so he paid $240,000 for it and now it is worth about $797,000 ……. for something Tony craps in…. You alway throw up Tony’s money when you lose your argument like usual…. throw those #s out and convince people Tony is an evil guy who craps close to a million bucks every time he sits down.
There is also a rumor that Tony has a stash of $10,000 bills that the feds used to use for bank money transfers in a basket next to the toilet he uses as wipes. I heard from a guy who knows a guy that FPD has a sewer division set up to monitor the waste from Tony’s toilet, they are using the proceeds from the toilet to fund Flory’s run for office…. they have close to $10,000,000 . The plumbers van saw Tony eat lots of salad one night and they scored big in the sewer.
“Before the end of redevelopment last
year, the annual combined city budget
was $237.8 million. Managing this
money is critical, but Whitaker, Kiger,
and Sebourn choose to ignore the expertise of city professionals, the results of
independent studies, and the work of citizen committees, instead relying on their
own expertise as blogger, surveyor, and
unelected district representative. This attitude could put a city, already stressed, due
to the economy, in dire straights.
According to the most recent census
there are 45,391 occupied households in
Fullerton and 138,610 residents. As residents we want a well run city. But the current council majority seems to want and
may succed in running the city into the ground”
The city doesn’t need their help as it already hit the magma.
Now there’s the old boohoo mantra. The same “professionals” that refuse to get rid of superfluous personnel, who stalled the water tax issue for an entire year, who ginned up an obviously phony fee (so bad even Quirk had to reject it) with the help of other “professionals” and who have let Fullerton’s infrastructure deteriorate as they got ever increasing step raises and pensions bumps.
No, T hink I’ll go with Kiger and Whitaker, thank you very much.
The article says she surrendered her kids at the station as she knew she was unable to care for them. That would be a smart move as she obviously cared about her kids. So why the abusive behavior from the cops, AGAIN? This is the kind of stuff that makes me hate living in this country and want to renounce my citizenship and become an expat. She obviously had issues, the female cop had bigger issues with boundaries. It’s easy to sit and criticize things after the fact; I know things happen in the heat of the moment, I get that. Why not just stop, let things calm down, why get heated over this in the first place? If she surrendered her kids, which for me would be over-the-top horrifying to do, then she obviously needed some time and space to get better, and she was trusting the cops with her children? I don’t know, I just know this type of cop behavior makes me sick. Kicking someone in the genitals while they are handcuffed or not is freaking wrong. 🙁 It never says she was trying to hurt herself or anyone else so why this abuse?????
Greg Diamond :
X-hippie — it’s actually really easy. No refunds should be given for rental property at all unless it’s clear that they would go to those who rented the property at the time (which would be mostly long-term tenants.)
It can’t be proven that all or almost all landlords passed on water rate expenses to their tenants in their rent. That’s a ridiculous assumption. Some landlords will figure that cost in, for others it will remain a fixed cost that they will absorb. For what you say to be true all landlords would have to make a very similar rate of profit off rents. They don’t. So for some the rebates would be just as justified as they would be for homeowners, or for renters who were directly charged.
Just send the checks to the people who paid the bills. That’s all on record.
Talk to a microeconomist about whether landlords can be presumed to include the cost of utilities within rent. Your assertion about the implication of this economic fact is wrong. I don’t expect you to believe me; talk to some expert you trust.
There is no “invariable law of landlord rent-seeking behavior.” Some little old lady might be renting out her property to some nice people and never raise the rent no matter what happens to utility costs. And in every place I’ve rented, I paid either some or all of the utility costs directly. Your assumption is just flat-out unprovable.
Absolutely. I lived in an apartment in Fullerton for 9 years. I was a good tenant and the landlord didn’t raise the rent my first 7 years. In other words HE sucked up any water rate increases (including the 10% increment increases).
Or maybe the water rates were amortized over multiple apartment units so the cost was diluted and the incremental cost easy to absorb by the landlord. Small apartment units generally don’t use that much water anyway and if the tenants are good ones, you might cut them a break if they pay their rent on time. Then again, lots of landlords are scumbags and they raise the rent every year.
Once again, dumpster divin’ douchebag fails again….
Or the increase in your landlords costs was absorbed into an initially higher profit margin that was lessened by the decrease in risk posed by your having been a good tenant. (This is aside from the obvious point that the initial water costs were included in your first year’s rent check.
You probably think that a renter does not pay property taxes either, right?
Some utility costs, sure. Rarely the cost of cold water. In fact, I can’t remember ever paying the cost of cold water as a renter. Heating that water, sure.
Then you deserve a refund. I’m not saying that it never happens, I’m saying that I haven’t heard of it happening. Aside from California, I’ve rented in Washington state, Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Arkansas, Indiana and New York. I’ve never been charged for cold water. I’m glad I said “rarely” rather than “never,” aren’t you?
Greg Diamond :
Pretty funny, ‘nista, for you to be saying this just above where some commenters DID respond accordingly to a robustly anti-Semitic comment from Fiala and called for his banning. (One called for mine too — but again, they just don’t like to be challenged.) That stood out for its being unusual — but it does happen and it should happen more.
You’re setting up a straw man. I don’t say that Tony and Travis make all, or even most, of the comments here. It seems to me to be very unlikely that they don’t make some, though — more than are written under “admin” or their own names. So that leaves us to wonder: which of those comments are theirs?
Normally, it wouldn’t matter much — but normally, one of the people running a blog like this isn’t a councilperson and the other didn’t just finance a recall and buy wins for two of his acolytes.
They don’t have to say — but then they can’t really complain much when we speculate and when voters who don’t want anyone who’s writing a particular kind of crap here decide to play it safe.
You don’t get it. Anybody can post here. The only person worrying about who is posting as who is you. Everybody else just accepts that anonymity is the nature of this conversation and goes along. If you don’t like, why not just ignore it? And that goes for Jan Flory too.
I’m not saying that it’s illegal. I’m saying that it beyond unseemly for someone to be able to climb off of the Council dais and then start laying waste to political enemies under a cloak of anonymity. It’s legal, sure — but the public won’t like it and, in my opinion, shouldn’t like it. They should know what their elected officials are saying in public.
Any political candidate or their paid employees could be writing comments on OJB under a pseudonym and you’d never know it. If the public “should know what their elected officials are saying in public” how could you ensure that? The fact is, you can’t, and the only way to do so would be to pass some more privacy-shredding laws, as if we don’t have enough of those already. So this is how the world works. If Flory and her ilk don’t like it they should start their own blog.
You can ensure it by law and regulation. You can use shame.
The sound of the lack of denial of it here is deafening. Seriously, I expected a denial and then to be done with it. I did not expect to hit pay dirt like this.
I see — “got his panties in a twist” is OK, but “maybe your mother stopped breast-feeding you too soon” isn’t.
Since apparently I’m all twisted up and probably in pain anyway, I’ll repeat: the lack of Travis and Tony’s denial of writing under other pseudonyms, such as say “The Fullerton Harpoon,” is DEAFENING!
I’m not Tony or Travis Greggie. I don’t know who they post as or when and I don’t care. They may only post as themselves. Again, don’t know, and don’t care. Jan Flory might be Porky Pig, or LDX for all anybody knows.
I believe you — but of course they won’t deny it themselves because if they denied being you where could they stop?
If Jan Flory posts here, she’s one of the few Democrats who has the guts. It’s funny, I’ve literally met her now about five times, all within the past month or so, but I’ve been impressed that she is willing to give as much grief to her critics as she gets from them. I’m proud to be in that “pugnacious Democrat” mold.
Greg Diamond :
You don’t get it. Anybody can post here. The only person worrying about who is posting as who is you. Everybody else just accepts that anonymity is the nature of this conversation and goes along. If you don’t like, why not just ignore it? And that goes for Jan Flory too.
………… Hmmmmm
You don’t get it Fullertonski.
Without names all his evidence for future lawsuit is irrelevant hearsay.
Golem needs names because he is meticulously cataloging all statements and by now have at least 1000 pages of exhibits against you.
Without names he must file lawsuit against you as DOES 1to 50 and get CRO ro obtain IP addresses and go after your names via the ISP.
CAVEAT: Be careful with the Golem!
That is as far as I can gave you my legal advise.
Note: last night I have passed the BAR (Memphis) in the “Artist Village” Santa Ana so I am qualified to give you a legal advise and because I believe that I am Gloria Allred.
Greg Diamond :
(One called for mine too — but again, they just don’t like to be challenged.) That stood out for its being unusual — but it does happen and it should happen more.
ONE? hahahaha!! That is hilarious. Multiple people have asked you to leave (or be removed). Funny how when someone wants YOU to leave they don’t like being challenged, but those same people should be screaming for Stanley’s ouster because you have chosen to ban him on your site. I don’t recall one person that has supported you out of thousands of posts but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that I might have missed one or two. I am thinking that if you look up the word grandiosity you will probably see your picture there.
I prefer you both to take your issues back to your own place, but since it isn’t my playground, I have no control and accept that reality. While I know this will fall on deaf ears, it bears repeating…Get over yourself Diamond.
Stanley was here before me — and he followed me back here because I suspended him from OJB and he has a sad. My outrage over his commentary isn’t mock. And — “alter-ego”? That’s like my saying that about you and Bankhead!
I know how badly you’d like the uninterrupted group think here to return, but it’s bad for you. It makes you sorta stupid.
Yeah, people here who want me to leave don’t like being challenged. People who want Stanley to leave don’t like being confronted with old European-style anti-Semitism. There is a difference there; figure it out on your own.
I was speaking for the general blog readership. I actually enjoy proving you wrong, and exposing your role as a cog in the Democratic Party spin machine.
You go ahead and read all of my blog posts and provide evidence of my “spin.” Then tell me who my “spin” is supposed to be working for. I’m looking forward to it.
Yes, he lives in the broom closet at party central. Really sad.
Actually, ‘poonling, MY IP ADDRESS IS COMING FROM INSIDE YOUR HOUSE!
@nista — I don’t receive payment (in fact, pretty much the opposite) from the Democratic Party. So what do you mean by “work”?
Greg Diamond :
Mr. or Ms. Anonymous,
Yeah, people here who want me to leave don’t like being challenged. People who want Stanley to leave don’t like being confronted with old European-style anti-Semitism. There is a difference there; figure it out on your own.
GD, who knew you were a mind reader too!? How do you differentiate between the people who don’t want you here because they can’t stand you, and the people who don’t want you here because they don’t want to be challenged?
People say they can’t stand me because I challenge them. Oh, and because I’m supposedly arrogant — the proof being that I keep on challenging them. The two categories are really not much different.
Most people are willing to accept your arguement at face value. It’s your cocky in your face, SMART ASS mentality that we don’t appreciate.
You would do well to appeal to us based on values. In other words, show a little humilty.
I beleive you could gve a shit about humility, humanity or anything else if it refelcted poorly on the democratic party. I think that for an educated man, you have few if any thoughts of your own, and I think you are lazy, you take the easy way out ALWAYS, because that gives you something to complain about.
But thats just what I think.
Stand down, for a moment, look in the mirror, maybe take a kernal of something you might agree with and start there.
It’s obvious that you “Jew bait” your advasaries every chance you get, which is dispicable to the religion. Additionally it weakens your arguements.
We want a diaolouge among Fullertonians, we might welcome an outside voice, if it wasn’t so blatantly biased torwards a specific cause.
YOU MISSED A GREAT CHANCE TO BECOME A STATE SENATOR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD RATHER BE AN BIG MOUTH ASSHOLE.
Look, whoever and whatever you are, I’m no more “cocky” or “smart ass” than the average poster here and one hell of a lot more respectful of those with whom I disagree. So the objection is not to my being “cocky” or “smart ass” — it’s the bleating of bullies who just got punched back in the nose.
The notion that I always defend Democrats (or always attack Republicans is laughably wrong, as you would know if you knew the first thing about my involvement with the County Party, when I have been aggressively against corporate democrats and for reform. Go ahead and ask people. I’m not going to attend to your anonymous snottiness about how lazy and unoriginal I am; let the record speak for itself.
I am rarely one to “Jew bait,” as you put it; in fact, the most recent argument I’ve had on anti-Semitism in OC political circles was one in which I was defending Claudia Alvarez’s comments that were widely taken to be anti-Semitic as arguably just a bad choice of analogy. So for one thing, you’re flat out wrong.
For another, calling out someone who says the things that Stanley says (and “most landlords are Jews” is just the tip of the stinking bud) is not “despicable to the religion.” Calling out florid anti-Semitism? Most Jews are OK with that, though thanks for the advice.
You have a dialogue including many voices who describe themselves as being outside of Fullerton, so this site crossed that line long ago. (Your outside admirers — Greenhut, Arellano, Moxley — any of them in Fullerton?)
As for my “great chance to become a State Senator” — I almost did hold back criticizing the excesses of people here, with whom (as you’ve heard me say before) I usually agree half of the time, for political gain — and then I was ashamed at myself for thinking of it. If you all want to vote for — or donate, so that he can give the excess to Ackerman — Bob Huff, that’s on your consciences. My life goes happily on either way.
But one thing that people would get from me in Sacramento is someone who is willing to put up a dogged fight to the point of being impolite. That is one of the more admirable things, in the best of cases, about FFFF — but if you don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, then you should prefer my opponent, because he’ll just ignore you except when he’s backstabbing you. Your choice.
Actually, no I don’t, Stanley — I believe that everyone of any religion or no religion is equally “chosen.” Come to think of it, you’ve never actually asked me about my personal beliefs, but have just assumed them. As you say: Hmmmmm….
Greg Diamond is slick, in a Matthew Cunningham kind of way. Heis merely trying (and doing a good job of it) from other more important issues like Sharron Quirk Silva’s failures, crazy comments and horrible performance as a councilmember/mayor.
Don’t think for a minute he isn’t a calculating, coniving political operative.
That’s true. I’ve had people try to recruit me into the GOP for decades, with offers of more than I’ve ever made before (including as a lawyer in Manhattan.) It’s frightening how much pressure there is on people to take the money and do the business of the rich and powerful. It gives you a sense of the soul-sickness of those who run things.
We’d be happy if you simply got recruited to the Buddies Of Brea website, an offshoot of this one, because frankly, we have hinted nicely, sometimes not so nicely that you are not really wanted around here.
You are not part of our community, you have elbowed your way into every conversation so you could spew your partisan drivel. At the expense of people who actually raise kids here, pay taxes here, depend on the services here (water, police, public services).
Again, you insist on inserting yourself into a debate where you have NO skin in the game.
It’s preety easy to bitch, compalin, suggest, when there is no consequense.
Why don’t you try and help the forty Brea cops being let go because the fucked up the YL bid.
I am certain, Neel’s tounge is long enough to reach Greg’s Nards. Maybe you can scam an endorsement from the BPOA.
After all, the kill white kids not brown. So they are a shoo in for your support.
None of you have names except Fiala. For all I know, you’re just one extremely energetic and demented person.
Someone just told me “anyone can post here” (this was part of defending Travis’s tolerance of bigotry here.)
Believe me, in my part of Brea, on the Fullerton border, we have skin in the game of Fullerton politics. But even if I lived in the foothills, I’d have a stake in Fullerton not going nuts.
That second to last paragraph, before you started whining, is completely out of line. If you have any decency — and yes, I’m almost laughing at that thought — you’ll disavow it.
Or — double down on it if you’d like! I’d enjoy verbally kicking your cowardly teeth into your cowardly intestines.
“I’d enjoy verbally kicking your cowardly teeth into your cowardly intestines” Just cut it out, you’re a fat man in a ‘lil coat with a used car salesman name that practices law out of his home, no less! You’re not doing shit, except carrying on your symbiotic relationship with Stanley, tending to your OJB site which has 5 posts, 2 are yours, and being first in line at Sizzlers all you can eat buffet!
I only comment under my own name there (and here.)
You may think that, but you think lots of things that aren’t so.
“A ‘lil coat”? And “used car salesman name”? Please, Larrt — I’d use “Bruce Whitaker.”
What’s wrong with practicing law out of one’s home? Lots of solo practitioners do it nowadays. There are even lifestyle articles about it! With lower fixed expenses one can be more selective about clients, which I really like.
I’ve eaten at Sizzler maybe once a year, “Larrt,” not that facts concern you. You’re pretty ignorant, you know?
Yeah — except that I’m not working for Sharon, or being paid by anybody to be here. This is my own volunteer activism. Compare that to Cunningham.
I’m completely up front about what I’m doing. I don’t want to see Fullerton go down the path of Wisconsin and what was intended for Costa Mesa. Not in my neighborhood, not on my watch. Two FFFFsters on the City Council doesn’t bother me; it’s a good check on the FPD and on overreach by its opponents. Give you guys the majority, though, and you go nuts.
There’s a difference between an operative and an activist, just like there’s a difference between conniving and calculating. I’m a calculating activist, and proud of it, but not a conniving operative.
Anyway, get with the program; this blog is about Flory, not SQS!
I can only hope that they have the majority for a few more months. They are completely out of touch with the Fullerton residents and are making very poor decisions while being rude to anyone with a different point of view. Sebourn is not rude but make no mistake he is an FFFFster and he makes decisions right along with Keger and Whittaker. Anyone see Whittaker pass a note along to Keger right before they teamed up on the MADD representative? That was very nice and what I would expect of our councilmembers to verbally attack this lady who wanted to speak up about a poor decision. What was up with the guy who was making a statement about Whittaker and Zamara? Seems like a real group of professionals on clowncil
Ohhhhh riiiiight, you are here for the greater good of Fullerton!! hahahahahaha! What would we ever do without you Mr. Grandiosity? Maybe you should quit your day job Diamond, you might have a future in comedy.
Speaking if SSSSSSSilva, wonder what she will do once she loses the election?
Maybe she should move to Brea and run there, I promise to not annoy the brea people and butt my nose in where it doesn’t belong.
No, no — for the greater good of Orange County, Southern California, California, the Southwest, the United States of America, the world, and the Galactic … wait, I’m not supposed to talk about that last one yet.
You really don’t understand people acting out of principle? Wait, why did I even ask — of course you don’t.
Not Greg Diamond :
“…that the demand” WTF?
Should the property owners forgoe rent?
I know you would certainly take advantage of it!
Why don’t you contact your landlord greg and offer to pay the H2O directly, then you would be immune to such abuses by the evil landlord that OWNS the place you live and rents to you.
The commune is looking better and better eh.
But then again REDACTED like the rest of them.
Lol, NGD.
I hope the council gives the Flory crowd an option to forgo their refund and put it toward the infrastructure!!!
Overweight, past middle aged, shaved head, ’cause hair don’t grow no more, no one willing to listen to your stories tonight, not even for a drink? Worst stories always start with I remember when…..
Greg, I read the Water study report. It was not really an independent study. Rather it provided a result asked for by the city manager. Garbage in, garbage out.
Their new and “improved” water fee rate of 6.67% was not backed up by facts.
The real justifiable fee rate is less than 1%.
Your comments that landlords who paid the illegal 10% do not deserve a refund, comes right out of the socialist playbook.
If one follows your reasoning, you could justify robbing every rich person at gunpoint because tyrant Greg does not believe they deserve their money.
By the way, anyone who provides dozens and dozens of responses to almost every article as you do, needs to get a life or at least another blog in which to bore its readers to death.
I think it was 6.4%. I’ve had others tell me that that was the right figure, independent of the study. Why hasn’t Tony paid for someone “independent” to redo the study with generally accepted assumptions, then? Maybe because it would take away his ability to call it an “illegal water tax”?
Landlords usually include an estimate of the cost of water they will provide as an element of determining rent. That means that a portion of the rent paid goes to cover the expected cost of water. Is that even controversial? You think that that’s “socialist”? Have you talked to landlords about whether they do this?
Sorry, but speaking truth to the power that took over a major OC city is part of my activism. You don’t like reading my comments, skip them. Protect yourself from SOCIALISM!
Ouch. That’s gonna hurt in the morning.
OMG! I love it! 🙂
Sandy Springs, GA is an inspiration and gives hope that if the people elect community leaders that actually care about the community more than they do their pocket and the pocket books of their friends, a community can thrive in the worst of times.
I do not know how the election will go, but I highly recommend the leaders of Fullerton watch this video.
http://youtu.be/f8qFvo2qJOU
Note that, ironically, the one service they did not outsource is the Police but they did note they took extreme measure to not fall into the union pension trap.
too late
Great ad! as I was passing the Pennysaver from the mail to the trash, all I noticed was the “Jan Flory”, and “now she is back”. Thanks Tony for a publishing a hit piece that looks like an endorsement!
Awesome. I see Tony has agreed to spend a few more million. Good job.
Actually, I think cover of the Pennysaver is more like $112.
Whats especially great about this is all the blue hairs (her base) who never heard of Craigslist or EBAY are going to see this and ILLEGAL TAX.
Brilliant.
Maybe We can get The Hungry Bear to offer a “Jan Flory Special”: a plate of cycle three for aging dogs!
Yes, because your credibility is SO HIGH….
Well, thanks for providing a nice big target!
Uh Oh! Gasbag Greg is gonna sue the Penny Saver.
Hell no! But I will go after the ad. Refunds to homeowners and landlords but not renters? Refunds to landlords on monies paid by their renters? I get the feeling that there must be some rich developer behind this!
Anyway, I’m sure that people just love getting nasty politics, before Labor Day even, with their coupon books. That doesn’t play into the “rich mofo buying the election” narrative at all! I hope that Tony did buy the next nine covers too!
Whistling in the dark, eh Greggy Boy?
I’m sure those renters are going to storm City Hall.
Yes it’s unfair. So blame Jan Flory and Sharon Quirk who supported this rip-off for 6 and 7 years, respectively (I’ll give Quirk a pass on year 8 even tho’ she stalled and and stalled right along with the Three Tree Stumps for the entirety of FY 2011-12>
Nice line up you’ve got there.
And, oh, how did that “he’s buying an election” work out for the Old Guard last time.
“He’s buying an election” did not work that well with the smaller primary electorate (compared to the larger and more liberal general electorate, now with added students), at a time when the issue was whether and how to respond to the sluggish council majority’s response to the Kelly Thomas killing. Now that rough justice has been done, it’s a new ballgame — otherwise I don’t see we’d be seeing this ad out before Labor Day, eh? Someone’s skeered!
You’ve still never established that about 2/3 of the water tax was “illegal,” by the way. But don’t worry, surely that will not come off as discrediting overstatement to those who read these ads, all of whom, like you and your FFFF colleagues themselves, would like to see city government and services collapse. Just continue on as you are, “Fred”!
You still don’t get it. That 2/3 number wads cooked up by a paid-off consultant and was not even accepted by the Water rate Committee.
In any case, Prop 218 requires a legitimate fee study – not some self-serving BS to hang on to as much ill-gotten gain as possible. You are obviously unaware (among many other things, I’m sure) that the City already charges directly to the Water Fund for all water-related expenses – including those that were described in the ordinance. It was a pure, double-dip rip off.
I’m satisfied with saying that the amount of the water fee that went towards what water fees are actually supposed to go for was not “an illegal tax.” The best estimates I’ve heard about that figure are: about 2/3. Do you think that the water system has required no money at all for the past decades?
If the renters pay a SEPARATE water tax since they would be paying for their own utilities, then they deserve a tax rebate. If renters do not pay separately for utilities and it is buried into their monthly rental fee, they would not be reimbursed. If I pay $1000 a month property tax on a 4 unit rental and each unit has a different size and each unit uses different amounts of water, how am I going to divvy up the water tax refund? If I get a property tax reduction because I petitioned the county assessor, do I also give that back to the renters?
Tuco, really, i thought you were smarter. Like when you teamed up with Blondie to get arrested and then escape at the last minute.
This Diamond creature has no interest in this issue except to defend whatever BS Flory and Quirk are defending. In this case by making the idea of a refund real, real complicated.
You’re right — they would not be reimbursed. It would be a windfall for landlords who, at the time that the property was being rented, were passing the fees on to their tenants. The difference between us is that that disturbs me and you seem to think that it’s just fine.
X-hippie — it’s actually really easy. No refunds should be given for rental property at all unless it’s clear that they would go to those who rented the property at the time (which would be mostly long-term tenants.)
Dear Mr. Diamond – Guess you’re not familiar with how Fullerton water billing works. On apts, owner gets the bill; on single family homes–depends, but owner will usually get shut off notice no matter who get iniital bill. I would think refunds would no to the account holder (one gets the bill).
Guess your not familiar with whether utility costs are figured into the rent charged to tenants for their apartments. Tenants paid more rent based on this assessment; now you want landlords to get the refund.
By all means, take that argument to the voters!
Of course it is – but that’s between landlord and tenant.
And the tenants, over how many years, likely can’t be located. So this is pure windfall profit for landlords.
Can you imagine what would FFFF would say about that expense of public money — reimbursing people for money they never actually paid — if it weren’t, um, so “landlord-friendly”?
Maybe the city could set up escrow accounts for tenants instead of giving landlords money that the tenants paid (and will not have the individual means to use the court system to obtain. Classic class-action situation.)
That is it!
The “escrow accounts for tenants” and appoint Golem as its trustee.
Brilliant!
Wow, a lesson in economics from Mr. Wealth Redistribution.
What you’re favoring here IS “wealth redistribution” — it’s just redistribution from the poorer classes to the wealthier classes, just the way that Tony and Travis apparently like it.
hot-dog diamond most if not all renters do not pay water utillity’s. so why should they be compenstated for something they never contributed to.
explain that you occu-turd!
Right, the landlords pay utilities — which then goes into the rent that they demand (and get) for a given property. You think that landlords just eat these costs? Ask one.
“…that the demand” WTF?
Should the property owners forgoe rent?
I know you would certainly take advantage of it!
Why don’t you contact your landlord greg and offer to pay the H2O directly, then you would be immune to such abuses by the evil landlord that OWNS the place you live and rents to you.
The commune is looking better and better eh.
But then again REDACTED like the rest of them.
You’d have to be a complete idiot to read the idea that property owners shouldn’t charge rent from my comment — so tell me, how did you come to this conclusion?
It’s more efficient (and for all I know only possible) for the property owner to pay the cold water bill. It’s understood that an estimate of the water usage goes into determining the rent — and that if I am running a swimming pool filling business out of my apartment that I should expect a rental increase. Wouldn’t you think?
As for your being sure of anything about me: do we know each other? All I know of you is that you’re apparently not me.
The only thing surprising about this is that the Pennysaver is still published.
True Balls. Penny saver horrible choice. But I imagine he splurged a million at least so it’s prolly going in all te local papers and in all the mailboxes too.
They put one in my mailbox every week…. just like all my neighbors.
Why a horrible choice? It gets to everyone in Fullerton at the least…. I think it’s a great choice.
Of course it is. You’re alienating a bloc of voters who are especially likely to vote. Brilliant! Focus group much?
There you go again, Gasbag. Alienation.
I guess you’ll find out who is alienated in November. It’s going to be you and Sgt. O’Malley of the Pomona PD. Oh, and Florbag.
We all gotta have this guy as our mascot. He’s a hero in these parts.
I have to admit your tenacity is something.
We’re two different people. I have no idea who the Korpulent Kop is.
What I’ll find out in November is whether Tony’s spending 4-5x (or more) the median income of an adult Fullerton resident is enough to snooker the population. If not, great; if so, readily explicable and nothing for you to be proud of.
The truth will set you free. And the truth is that Flory is responsible for most of the problems that she criticizes Kiger and Whitaker of not being able to solve.
That’s quite a piece of work you’ve got going for you there. Flory has a record and I’m glad the voters of Fullerton are going to find out about it.
The only snookering going on is being perpetrated by Flory.
Was she ever part of a working majority of the Council? I thought that it’s been no more than two Democrats at all times. This strains the concept of her being “responsible” for so many ills. (This is not my only possible response to you, but I’m legitimately interested in the answer, so it comes first.)
coupon clippers= i love getting ripped off? how can a human brain even work like that
From a marketing standpoint it is brilliant. Everyone in Fullerton gets the Pennysaver. Not everyone reads it but ALL see and read the cover. It does not have the same feel as a gloss mailer and remains the household in plain view away from the trash can considerably longer. Not to mention the 50 year anniversary of the publication lends more credence to the supposed cover story.
Wrong there, piggy. It was brilliant.
I have to admit that I like it. The graphic design is very eloquent too.
Yes, very well done 🙂
That’s also gonna hurt at the next council meeting if she decides to get up to the podium and whine and shreek about it; again!
WG, After watching last night’s public comments I was a little disheartened at what people had to say, however, I noticed the similarities between those comments and the tactics mentioned on the previous blog. Is there some kind of movement from FFFF posters or Kelly’s Army in the works to respond against the new lobbying movement including Jan Flory’s nonsense?
CT,
The blue shirts have been told by the FPOA that a show of force at the City Council meetings is mandatory.
I go to the City Council meetings all the time and find that attendees like these are kind of like church where some only show up at Easter and Christmas and you never see them the rest of the year.
Yep. This is true.
I ordered five blue shirts for my family.
That way I can take them and feed them for free!
I know I said costco was a fancy deal for us, cheap, easy hey the hot dogs and pizza are pretty good (hold the pepperoni please).
But thisis GREAT!
Thanks FPOA!
Wait, I can’t tell if this is supposed to be a parody of me or you’re speaking for yourself. If the former, you blew it; most people who have discussed it with know that I’m not a fan of Costco pizza. Nor have I ever eaten off of a FPOA food truck.
I get the sense that I’m haunting your dreams or something. Sorry about that if so.
yeah hot-dog diamond only eats healty food, you know that lettuce makes your ass really fat, right.
Hey Texan, why don’t you worry about that shit hole state you live in and stay out of our business. Shouldn’t you be getting ready for a Klan rally or to fuck a goat or something?
why do so many of the “anonymous” poster and possible troll types have such a prurient interest in others’ possible sexual activities? Envy?
No kidding. One of them called Jan Flory a whore for old men “thousandaires” a week or so ago. I asked people to join me in condemning it, but no one did. Maybe you’ll have better luck with this one! (Not that this place is partisan or anything.)
Cute COSTCO HOT-DOG EATING DIAMOND, Is defending his virginity taking baby sitter.
Wow — that’s some ugly stuff there. I wonder how long I’ll have to wait for someone here to condemn the misogyny and defamation.
Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick …
(Watch out, folks, this one may go into the Pennysaver as representative of FFFF!)
hot-dog diamond is getting a lill hurt stop picking on his sugar momma. she is his first love.
HelllOOOOOOO! Lookin’ for a little condemnation of this freak over here! Anyone?
You forget no one gives a shit about you.
Try holding your breath.
Greg if your looking for partisan reading, may I suggest the current edition of the Fullerton Observer?
They love to bash Kiger, Whittaker, and Sebourn, yet they fail to mention who the author is of these partisan pieces?
To be honest, I rarely read the Observer unless someone I know sends me a head’s up to read a particular story, which isn’t that often. If you had a criticism of their partisanship, for all I know I’d agree with it. (Of course, that the Observer may be partisan doesn’t mean that FFFF isn’t.)
I came into this debate as a foe of the previous Council majority’s retaining control — and as one hopeful that if there were a new libertarian Council majority it would at least stay its hand in doing anything too radical before the November election. Well, I got half of what I wanted.
My feeling right now is that Fullerton needs checks and balances within its city government. I think it’s healthy right now for Fullerton not to have any single faction in charge — neither the Ackerman majority of old or the Bushala majority of new. That’s pretty non-partisan.
Now before anyone says it — yes, I’m rooting for both Democratic candidates, who if elected would with Doug Chaffee give Fullerton a Democratic majority — but I think that the Democrats are least likely of the three major factions to overreach. Especially with Sebourn still on Council (and Whitaker likely to retain his seat), there’s plenty to keep them honest in the upcoming labor negotiation with FPOA.
I can absolutely believe that the previous contracts have been too slanted towards police — but the solution to that is a fair contract, not some sort of revenge. I think that Democrats will understand that they can’t roll over for the FPOA’s maximalist demands, even as they also will understand that it’s stupid to try to destroy that union.
(Note: as a party official, given the endorsement of Flory and Jaramillo by the DPOC, I can now no longer promote Jane Rands’s candidacy — that’s part of the price one pays for being a party official — but obviously I went on record about it before that endorsement took place.)
Consider yourself served!
http://www.fullertonobserver.com/artman/uploads/foearlysept_001.pdf
p.s. I’d really like to know if you think that the contents of the articles which have no author are “non-partisan” as the Fullerton Observer Editor, Sharon Kennedy, claims to be.
They seemed OK to me. What parts offended you?
P.S. They called her a whore for “thousandaires.” That’s beyond “partisan,” eh? Even misogynistic, wouldn’t you say?
“Even ‘misogynistic’, wouldn’t you say?”……… Hmmmmm
Did you meant to say masturbatistic or musturbatistic as coined by Albert Ellis?
Your vocabulary Golem is so sophisticated and so university intellect rich showing that you could have been Zeta Beta Tau (ZBT) Jewish fraternity.
Anyone still wondering why I suspended Stanley from OJB?
I kind of like Stanley Fiala’s barbs.
The anti-Semitic ones especially, the masturbation-themed ones, or all of them?
“The anti-Semitic ones especially”……… Hmmmmm
You still did not got your tinfoil Yamaka to protect you against your inner dark voices?
Fullerton Lover, do not answer him it is a setup by Golem.
Come on Greg. How many times do we have to tell you this?
It is not all Travis and Tony posting, not even close. It is many, many people. They use fake names. We don’t know who they are. They are speaking only for themselves. Their comments are not moderated but published in real time. There is nobody working full-time on finding every tasteless comments and deleting it. In fact, I don’t even know how many of the bloggers have that capability, but I don’t. Thank God.
We can’t control what people post anymore than what people think. A lack of condemnation doesn’t mean people agree, condone or like particular comments. With many of the trolls or idiots, if you ignore them, after a while they go away. So its not worth anybody’s time to go through hundreds of comments looking for things to condemn. If it makes you feel any better, I think about 10% of all comments here are entirely tasteless. It is better some times, worse other times. What’s important to realize is that the people running the blog are not condoning racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, misogyny, discrimination, etc. So if you can’t bring yourself to just ignore it, go ahead and fight it, but the whole point of trolling is to get a reaction, so when you respond, they win.
Pretty funny, ‘nista, for you to be saying this just above where some commenters DID respond accordingly to a robustly anti-Semitic comment from Fiala and called for his banning. (One called for mine too — but again, they just don’t like to be challenged.) That stood out for its being unusual — but it does happen and it should happen more.
You’re setting up a straw man. I don’t say that Tony and Travis make all, or even most, of the comments here. It seems to me to be very unlikely that they don’t make some, though — more than are written under “admin” or their own names. So that leaves us to wonder: which of those comments are theirs?
Normally, it wouldn’t matter much — but normally, one of the people running a blog like this isn’t a councilperson and the other didn’t just finance a recall and buy wins for two of his acolytes.
They don’t have to say — but then they can’t really complain much when we speculate and when voters who don’t want anyone who’s writing a particular kind of crap here decide to play it safe.
“I don’t say that Tony and Travis make all, or even most, of the comments here.”……….. Hmmmmmm
Paranoia, Paranoia, Paranoia!
Any reasonable person must conclude that if they used their real names in the OJ before your arrival there, that thy wouldn’t use their real names here too!
no one likes her dumb ass, except your sorry ass
hey now, that’s not necessary! can you not have some respectful dialog? perhaps the texan is FROM fullerton… and therefore still concerned about it? calm down and chill out.
I’m actually from Texas and got acquainted with Fullerton through the unfortunate and senseless murder of Kelly Thomas. Since then I’ve come to care quite about Fullerton and the people who live there and with whom I communicate on the FFFF blog. I think in some respects Fullerton is a great example of political awareness and action that a lot of other cities in the US should follow. I really hope to visit someday.
Thank you for connecting 🙂 AND participating!
I’m glad you’re following the events here in Fullerton. I also want to thank you that you’re taking time to do so and that you care about our city.
Love your posts Tex! Keep em coming and thanks for caring.
Look me up if you do Concerned Texan. I’ll take you and your family on the grand tour of Fullerton.
Note that Fullerton is less than 10 minutes away from the front gate of Disneyland.
Class act, right there.
No wonder you keep yourself anonymous. I would too, were I as crude and defective as you.
One of FPD’s finest, no doubt.
The Pennysaver is sent to each and every household in Fullerton regardless of political affilliation.
That’s brilliant!
No, that’s Bushala.
How many people actually look at them? I don’t!
Another police troll. I only look at the front cover before I toss it. Thus, I see the ad on the cover. You probably throw all your mail away unless its certified mail from the process server!
LOL!
Police troll? Oookay………
I cut the coupons for the recycler guys…. $.10 a pound more on recycleables is great…. People do look at these things or people would not put ads in them.
True. If I wasn’t called a police troll, I could see your point. 😉 I think it’s really of a certain generation that reads it. Maybe I should start?
Yeah 99% of us do too Mechanic….. Thanks Concerned Texan. Your welcome in Fullerton anytime….. Hopefully when you visit most of the trash will be finally taken out……
And it goes in every mailbox. Good one!
How much did that cost you, Tony?
someone said about $112 for the front page, but I wouldn’t assume it was Tony 😉
$122 for all 8 districts. But you can call Pennysaver and ask!
Quite reasonable if you do a certain number of ads per quarter. Lets see, Sept Oct and one week of November. He got the 10 weekly issue discount. And anonymous must be jealous.
The Pennysaver ad is genius! Way to go! I can hardly wait for the next council meeting just to watch Jan’s response.
Then there’s Sharon – like I said last time I commented about her – her attitude and behavior is terribly unprofessional. She looks and acts as if she’s miserable – now that I think about it – she most likely is.
and she is making as many others miserable as she can while she is still there….
Do any of you posting comments so far seriously believe this is a *real* pennysaver cover? I ask because several of you certainly seem to be taking it at face value!
ok, I’ll bite — is this not real?
Photoshop!? LoL
oh poo. 😉
Can we MAKE it real?????? 😉
lol I asked the same thing when I saw only a picture of it thus morning. Then I got my mail which included the Pennysaver with this cover. Yes, it’s real.
It’s brilliant. You don’t have to read the Pennysaver but you can’t miss the cover. And it went to every household. Well done!
omg thank God lol and yes, it’s well done!
YEA because it’s april fools day, and we all know how ffff likes to fuck us on april fools day.
I got mine in the mail yesterday. I’ll try and bring a few extra copies to the next City Council meeting for those of you who didn’t receive one in the mail. Come to think of it, maybe I’ll ask Jan Flory if she would autograph one as a keepsake.
OMG I would love to see you do that lol To see her face would be priceless!
Perfect media for the targeted demographic.
perfect period 🙂
Beautifully diabolical… Thanks for verifying the authenticity, SherBear – greatly appreciate it!
Awesome. I second that!
You’re welcome, Peaches!
Steal a page from the cop attorney’s, billboard(s) with dirty FPD cops pictures and their crimes looking at you as you drive into town would be great.
I think that it is a brilliant marketing and inexpensive idea. Better than the usual color brochures costing 30K+ to mail each time and which are discarded on the arrival.
Too bad that I didn’t thought of it when I was running for the mayor of Santa Ana in 2004, 2006, 2008.
I like it!
I think that you will see many to follow bringing the cost substantially higher.
Do not tell Golem or he will abuse it.
Stanley why did you stop after 2008? There was 2010 and now 2012 also!
………… Hmmmmmmmm
I was fright that I would win the mayoral race because I was getting too good in it. In 2004 I got 10,000 votes.
Unfortunately, I got several visits from SAPD13 death squad, two homicide detectives, alleging that I want to kill Thomas Gordon during the 2006 debates.
So I realized that it is time to quit.
I would be totally fearless running for any office in the old Communist Czechoslovakia or during the NAZI Protectorate, but in the Santa Ana these SAPD13 union goons make you disappear like Jimmy Hoffa.
They even murdered mother Susie Young Kim, execution stile, in front of her crying 18 mo old daughter who was begging Walters goons not to kill her mother, pleas, pleas pleas. They did shoot her anyway Syrian stile in back of her head.
Look what these PD union goons are doing in Costa Mesa to mayor pro tem and OC DA is looking other way soiling his pants.
It is fascism in its best!
I even wrote to Obama asking him to intervene and he essentially replied “fuck you Stan”.
So did I answered your question?… or is it full of hate?
Looks like a promo for a cheap horror flick
lol I think you’re right! but it wasn’t so cheap — what did it cost, about $7.5 million? 😉
$122 you can call Pennysaver and verify!
Horror is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXKsCFH6aJ8
Saturday, September 1, 2012
10:00am until 1:00pm
http://www.facebook.com/events/102502223233800/
Superb job; the only thing missing was “the photo.”
If you listen to Jan Flory and friends, you’d think returning wrongfully or illegally obtained monies was the work of the Bushala Bullies. Like it only happens here…
http://m.nbclosangeles.com/nbclosangeles/pm_107885/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=EvS0Hd1Q
She might as well be telling people that it was Tony Bushala who was the beneficiary of the 10% illegal tax so he could live in his 5,000 foot yacht. And now Flory’s going to see to it that the city gets the money back from Bushala to pay for a new water pipe system throughout the city.
Florentine needs to give us back the sidewalk too then…..
In a case similer to highly publisized one here in fullerton the circumstances drew swift action from “Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck has relieved the commanding officer of the Foothill division from duty and is demoting him over his handling of a use-of-force incident against a 34-year-old woman in Tujunga last week.
“I have serious concerns about this incident and I believe the commanding officer of Foothill area was severely deficient in his response,” Beck said. “Proper steps were not taken, including appropriate notifications and the removal of the involved officers from the field. ”
How can we nominate a chief that also did not as captain respond with appropriate quick reaction to a similar involving police misapropriation of force. Who allowed review of the video of officers to write their police reports.
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21430180/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-demotes-foothill-commanding-officer
The small print is always important.
He is not being demoted. He is staying as a Captain. He is just getting a paycut from Step 3 to Step 1. So he is being punished for not handling the incident appropriately, but he is not being demoted.
Here is some of the Ooooops information from some of the news articles. Oooopss!! Sounded great at first but a little quick judgement also.
Clarification: An earlier version of this article reported the commanding officer has been stripped of his rank. That officer has been “downgraded” from commanding officer, but will still retain the rank of captain, according to LAPD spokeswoman Karen Rayner.
and you can bet that commanding officer from foothill division will not be promoted to Chief any time soon.
Well, my…my…my…would this be considered discipline yet allowed to be released for public info? Did Beck just screw up or is there a way around this that some law enforcement leaders choose to overlook?
That’s a good question, actually. Hope someone here follows up!
what you don’t shcill for LA county?
Where is all that POBAR info that our police officers are always citing. Seems like Charlie Beck didn’t heed POBAR when he announced the demotion by 2 pay grades of the LAPD Commander at Foothill Division.
Lets see, Hughes was the Captain and Commander of the group at FPD that was involved in the Kelly Thomas beating death. Thus, Joe Felz could have demoted Hughes on the payscale at any time. Too bad Joe did nothing. He is part of the Culture of Corruption.
Right. Nobody should underestimate Felz’ emotional attachment to the cops. It may be fear.
My guess is that Beck’s office contacted the LAPD union, told them what they wanted to do and got their blessing, before he announced anything.
If the union had declined to support Beck, this would have been a different story
You will soon find out once a lawsuit is filed by the cop. These mistakes cost cities millions.
How about the next cover of the Fullerton area Pennysaver with photo of Acting Chief Dan Hughes along with inserts of Blatney, Hampton and Craig, with the caption stating “Acting Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes has Allowed These Accomplices to Murdering Local Homeless Man, Kelly Thomas to Return to Work; at YOUR Police Department!”
Great idea. The execs over at the Pennysaver could probably have this publication double as a tabloid or op ed politcal opinion piece or at least begin adding a journalism component. After all its been 50 years and they are in the process of undergoing a major restructuring as we speak.
Pennysaver won’t do it. They like money but they also respect local government and politics mixed.
Forevermore may getting hit with the hard and unfortunate truth on the cover of the Pennysaver be known as getting Crockered.
Great ad and choice of ad space. One critique, Should of scared the city more with a larger picture of her face. When I scroll through FFFF and have to see her face it scares the holy living shit outta me!!
You got that right Annon(non-troll). lol
With a larger picture of THAT mug, she don’t need a caption.
Placentia, police hit brick wall on pensions
http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2012/08/30/city-police-hit-brick-wall-over-sharing-pension-pain/161425/
“Placentia is one of the cities where police now pay zero toward their retirement costs — which is at odds with the reform bill pending in Sacramento, which would mandate that public workers eventually pick up half those costs”
Your next Porky!!!
Any department that pays zero at this point in time is not playing the right game. Almost all PD’s pay their 9% again as they should.
I believe that this mandate applies to newly hired workers under the PERS plan.
Not really. Most PDs are implementing a two tier system. New people are on 2@55 and retire at 55. They pay their 9%. Existing pay their 9% and still are on 3@50 and can retire at 50. Browns proposals may impact some portions of public safety.
Why would they do anything. Nobody’s going anywhere’s. The FPD bought off the the new reformed city council. Ramos and cintelli will be back in uniform after the DAs office drops the case against them and then will be in for a big settlement suit.
Oh yes, and of course there is NO culture of Corruption at FPD; just a culture of complaicency.
That’s gotta be true cause Michael Gennaco said so.
BULLSHIT Genacco!!!
First, welcome back Mrs. Flory!
Second, I have no idea how much this cost but I will say that if the cost was less than printing and postage for a similar size piece this is a brilliant way to get in every mailbox on the cheap.
Flory better have something more going for her than the cop union who actually backed Leland Wilson to have her thrown off the council in the first place.
The million dollar question of today is: Has Mrs. Flory seen it yet? If so, I wonder if she has something unwittingly obtuse to say about it on her facebook page…
CT – I’ve been checking her FB pages (Jan Flory, Jan Flory For City Council) and haven’t seen anything yet
Fullerton police murder an innocent homeless man on camera. They leave the officers on duty, charges take months instead of a grand jury being called, and the old guard supporters remain silent and NEVER voice their outrage over what happened. Promotions roll.
LAPD rag dolls a cell phone violator on a fast food joint camera and they are placed on leave immediately and the captain is demoted. Sellers goes out out cholesterol leave and Beck rolls heads. The people that DON’T see a problem here are living proof that the booze, the aspartame, and the elevated fluoride and bromine water levels are doing their job. You are fools and your children and your grandchildren will grow up in a very dangerous society while you suck your thumbs in front of your TVs enjoying all the filth that will become your reality.
I read that article this morning and I’ve been wondering to myself: could their swift response have been influenced by what they saw happen to Kelly Thomas as well as the reaction of the residents of Fullerton?
I believe so. How could it not?
So you noticed the similarities between the two incidents as well? I noticed that significant violence and abuse over a non threatening “suspect” because of language is a common theme. Also, the fist bump at the end made me a little sick to my stomach. What did you think about different positions of the cops? They seem to come from opposite ends of the spectrum; one was a 22 year veteran while the other had been on the force for only 10 months.
“What did you think about different positions of the cops?”
Gotta get those rookies broken in right!
Amazingly enough, they thought they did a great job. Hence, the fist bump. It kind of reminds me of the movie “Training Day” with Denzel Washington.
The old guy was training the new guy how to kick azz.
“You see son, this is how we man handle registered nurses who is also a mother”
“Good job my son, today you are truly a man”
Fist bump as father and son become one who is without a soul.
The old guy shouldn’t be training anyone to do anything, he should have been fired immediately. The young guy needs to see him being fired, and then hopefully he sees the civil suit brought upon them both by the driver.
When the young guy goes to depositions and under oath has to rat on the old guy, he will learn quickly. The old guy will scream to the union for help and the city will settle the lawsuit way before a trial since it is simply embarrassing! The city can no longer just call Gennaco in, they have been under a Federal judges orders for years. They finally worked their way off of Federal charges. Last thing Beck wants is a return of federal investigators, so he made swift work of this. You demote the Captain who was the Commander and it tells him and the next Commander, your guys screw up, you get caught on video, you are toast! It does tighten up discipline really well. Compared to the Sheriff Baca, Beck is a WIZARD!
It goes beyond this. I heard a report that Beck instructed all police officers to view this tape as an example of what NOT to do. From the LA Times: “Beck said he ordered the video shown at roll calls when officers begin their shifts.” http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/lapd-body-slam-video-chief-charlie-beck.html
Maybe if the FPD brass had done that with the Veth Mam videotape Kelly Thomas would be alive today. Maybe.
He’s not being demoted! He got a pay step decrease.
The trainee is on promotion. If he didn’t lie in the reports then he will be back with another trainee soon. If he did he’s gone. Probationer.
I thought Chief Beck did an outstanding job sending a crystal clear message to the troops that this sort of thuggish behavior will not be tolerated any longer.
I think so too, but you have to think that Federal oversight had something to do with it…
You got it right on there!
uld think refunds would GO to the account holder (one gets the bill).
Nice work. It’s all about educating the voters.
In the interest of fairness, please move this picture to the top to share the headline.
http://s1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj501/LetsBeHonest2012/
For the record, I had nothing to do with that pic, folks, except to see it here and laugh at the fine parody.
The Time magazine cover is…..priceless.
And, sadly true. Would love to see *that* on the cover of the Pennysaver!
oh iam sorry h-d diamond. if i was as fat and ugly as you, i’d would have to hit on 65 year old ladies too.
Well! Here’s more proof that Jan Flory isn’t really “thin-skinned” at all, but just a “normal-skinned” person reacting to abnormally ludicrous and withering attacks by repulsive anonymous critics who are inexplicably tolerated (and encouraged) at Tony & Travis’s website.
I’ll add this to my collection of FFFF highlights.
No, the real issue is that Flory can dish it out but she can’t take it. She’s always been hyper-sensitive and yet fundamentally mean herself.
I only wished I still lived in Fullerton so I could vote for anybody but her.
You hit the nail on the head. I can tell that from a cursory glance at her posts on FB as well as her publicly spoken comments.
You’re saying that you can tell that without context, apparently.
I don’t think she’s ever dished out anything as had as what she’s gotten in an average day here over the past three weeks.
biggot so in your opinnion it’s okay to ANTI-CHICANO but not anti-semitic?
oh and according to you its also okay to beat and kill a homeless man as long as he’s white.
but if hes black and gets a million dollars it’s okay.
right you said that a few weeks ago, am i right?
No, you are not right, on any of the above counts.
yes i am and you know it!
Nope. Your supposed evidence was bogus.
No, it is not OK to be “anti-Chicano” nor anti-Semitic (nor anti-Black, anti-Arab, etc.)
These questions are easy. Is this all you got?
then you sir are in denial, maybe you should think first before hitting that SUBMIT COMMENT BUTTON.
And how, exactly do you know what I’m favoring? Are you a mentalist or just mental.
Oh wait, “ex-hippy” — do you agree with me that reimbursing landlords for expenses that they already passed onto their tenants is wrong?
If I was wrong about this, I apologize and retract the statement. Now, was I wrong?
“Do you agree with me that reimbursing landlords for expenses that they already passed onto their tenants is wrong?”……….. Hmmmmm
No!….. did you copy from the Obama speeches?
Since majority landlords are Jewish, I consider your statement hateful and anti-Semitic, Golem
please remove this guys anti-semitic comments admin. He belongs in the waste bin where old haters belong
I’ll second that and move for a complete ban.
Agree.
both of them should be banned, IMO. I’m disgusted with both of them…
I agree. they get so off topic all the time. I remember when R E A L I T Y I S was considered a pain. He got banned right away. Bring him back and ban these two nutballs. LOL. I had to type this twice just because RI”s name is banned on here and goes to moderation if you use his name LOL
yes, agreed — off topic ALL the time, and they both bring alot of hostility and negativity and vulgarity, which none of us need here. A little off topic once in awhile isn’t bad, heck I’ve done it, but when it’s constantly nasty, I’m done with it.
Yes we all get off topic a bit but at least we offer all different view points. It would be no fun if everyone agreed on everything. No point in having a blog that way.
Differing opinions are fine — bringing hate and garbage isn’t.
Plus, DQ, they’re competing with the hostility, negativity, and vulgarity of the FFFF bloggers. Which, by the way, is the exact reason that many of Bushala’s and Kiger’s supporters come here.
Diamond is fine… at least entertaining… Stanley most go!
“Diamond is fine… at least entertaining… Stanley most go!”……….. Hmmmmm
LOL, DQ, Franklin, Porky Pig, Plain Glazed, For the record what an outstanding names and citizens of the Fullerton building better city.
It reminds me the Clint Eastwood’s 1992 flick “Unforgiven”.
Rent it!…. you moron mongoloids to see yourselves in the mirror.
FYI, I have been banned here before and I do not care if I am banned again.
Keep Golem!
Within one year and one day he will destroy this blog and have some of you in the court like Mr. TB.
Enjoy anger driven idiots.
Unforgiven is a great movie. It’s a shame what’s happened to Eastwood recently.
“Unforgiven is a great movie”……… Hmmmmm
I am sure that the only value it brought to your damaged brain from a partial birth abortion, by batched up suction, a reason to munch on pup corns and getting fat.
Thanks for the apology and retraction.
So that means that you’re opposed to giving money to landlords that they had previously built into their tenants’ rent? Good for you! Atypical for FFFF, though.
yes whatch the mentalist returning this fall on cbs.
It used to be in the state of CA. that those who rented were able to claim all or part of the amount, on their tax forms. Who changed that?
Demoncrats
(snicker snicker 😉 )
(they’re all the same tho — republicrats)
Someone who lives nearby was asking me about the upcoming city council elections and if I thought Bruce and Travis would be replaced. My answer? Not on your life. Why?
As I told this person, Tony and Travis have done a great job of running a social media campaign. If anyone else would like to step up to the plate and also run an effective social media campaign as they’ve done, I personally believe you have a chance.
This doesn’t mean I agree with everything on here though. As a matter of fact, I asked this person if they read their Pennysaver.
“Whaa? Really?? A political ad? Hang on, lemme fish it out of the trash. Y’know, I never read the thing…”
Hmm. Let’s say the Penny Saver goes to 65,000 addresses in Fullerton. Lets say only 25% are picked up by registered voters who look at the cover and 10% get the message.
That’s 1600 touches. If only half resonate, that still 800 hooks and potential votes. That first mailing alone could make the nut all by itself. And I suspect more are coming.
Y’know Ad Man, you are right. Betcha never thought you’d hear that out of me. I stand corrected. You are right! And I bet the Pennysaver is loving you right now for all the free advertising!
“Working” majority?” What the hell are you talking about? Flory approved of the Water Tax; she approved of the 3@50 for the cops; she approved giving away public streets and valuable development rights to her developer buddies. It’s all in the record and I have the feeling it will all be coming out in the very near future.
I mean was she ever regularly the deciding vote on any issues, as you have seen for the past years of 3-2 majorities. You could have asked me more nicely to define the term.
Yeah, she (like the rest of the Council) approved of the water tax on the advice of those suggesting that it was just fine (and most of it may well have been legal.) She approved of a pension plan that brought Fullerton into accord with the rest of the county. She approved redevelopment of a downtown that was falling into ruin. What a scandal.
Redevelopment is a scandal, especially when the main beneficiaries are a public official’s cronies.
“.. the most comprehensive independent
study of California RDAs, conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, found that
redevelopment activities in most RDAs studied failed to generate enough growth in property values to account for the tax increment revenues they received. A small body of academic literature also examines the extent to which TIF projects boost economic activity, and some of this research finds evidence that TIF projects simply shift economic activity within municipalities rather than creating additional economic activity. For example, one study suggests that when employment increases in TIF project areas, it decreases in other parts of the city, which could mean that TIF projects draw jobs from elsewhere in the city, rather than generating net new jobs.”
Its a scam, Greggie, and Ms. Flory was good at it. Is that what the Democratic Party supports these days? Scams that are opposed by grassroots activists across the political spectrum?
I’m with the rest of my party (as opposed to Republicans) lined up with the Governor against redevelopment. The system got rotten. But while redevelopment has its problems — believe me, in studying up on my opponent Bob Huff, I know about them — it does not always involve shoveling money to cronies and is sometimes addressing real public needs rather than the private need to get rich.
Tell me how you think that Fullerton’s downtown would have fared without redevelopment. Yes, the public would still have a patch of sidewalk outside of a restaurant and there would be fewer bars and fewer drunken fraternity members at night — conceded. What problems were Flory and the then-council trying to solve at the time, though, and did that work. She was making decisions before much of the more recent information about redevelopment came out — and if there’s any material about her personally shoveling money to cronies, we’d be reading about it here every day.
You’re still fighting Tony’s battles from years ago about Downtown, which when you get past the sloganeering are really of little interest to most people. (And you wonder why I think that Tony writes (or has written) a lot of this stuff!)
It was a nice historic downtown, in need of opening up a few good places that the locals would want to hang out. Instead it became the beneficiaries of 50 bars, many of whom the locals don’t want to hang out at. It would have done much better without redevelopment. The developers funded the election committee of the councilmembers, Dems and Repubs. And redevelopment wasn’t a great thing that turned bad. It was a bad idea that got worse.
Next time I hope they use a much larger version of the picture. Especially during the Halloween week.
I wanna see Jan Florry on a broom for the Halloween issue of Pennypincher!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/woman-370041-police-fullerton.html
Ramos without a stache…. ? prolly not but the cheeks are similar.
Coffman?
Here’s Coffman:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2iAwtsfvi44/SkyzH1WrgCI/AAAAAAAAAL8/8UsrFA0OFvk/s1600-h/pig+cop+01.jpg
you’re kind of a dark person aren’t you? that’s a horrible drawing.
Not really. Found it on the web. I saw a resemblance. You?
Really??????????????????????? What a fab site you’ve got here councilmember Kiger
It’s a wise campaign decision (for a certain sort of person), considering the contributions to be had — so long as he can write anonymously. Otherwise, well … sad!
Body type = FPD. Let’s line up Coff & Co. LOL!
lol
Wow.
Just wow.
To whom it may concern
Dictionary:
an·ti-Sem·ite (²n”t¶-sµm“ºt”, ²n”tº-) n. One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews. –an”ti-Se·mit“ic (-s…-m¹t“¹k) adj.
Where is “Discrimination” and “Hostility” in my statement “majority landlords are Jewish”?
See Following;
Dictionary:
dis·crim·i·nate (d¹-skr¹m“…-n³t”) v. dis·crim·i·nat·ed, dis·crim·i·nat·ing, dis·crim·i·nates. –intr. 1.a. To make a clear distinction; distinguish: discriminate among the options available. b. To make sensible decisions; judge wisely. 2. To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice: was accused of discriminating against women; discriminated in favor of his cronies. –tr. 1. To perceive the distinguishing features of; recognize as distinct: discriminate right from wrong. 2. To distinguish by noting differences; differentiate: unable to discriminate colors. [Latin discrºmin³re, discrºmin³t-, from discrºmen, discrºmin-, distinction. See krei- below.] –dis·crim“i·nate (-n¹t) adj. –dis·crim“i·nate·ly adv.
Dictionary:
hos·til·i·ty (h¼-st¹l“¹-t¶) n., pl. hos·til·i·ties. 1. The state of being hostile; antagonism or enmity. See Synonyms at enmity. 2.a. A hostile act. b. hostilities. Acts of war; overt warfare.
WWWWWOOOOOWWWWW.
Your statement “majority (of) landlords are Jewish” is rather racist. That’s what everyone is offended by. I’m not surprised that I need to spell it out for you. Without you even knowing it, at least you wear it on your sleeve, unlike some of the other party members here.
……. and you are stupid!
If I say to the Black audience that Romney wants to put them in the chains that is racist too.
This racist argument is used only by left-liberal-socialist like you and Golem.
Here is one for you: “majority Israelis are Jewish”.
You moron mongoloid!
Yup. Stanley is a bright and often witty guy with a chewy center of long-ago inculcated old-school anti-Semitism. After a while, I got sick of it on OJB. Spell it out for him all you want; he still won’t be able to process it. “What’s bred in the bone….”
If you are a lawyer Golem you should be able to produce all legal elements of the antisemitism.
But you can’t!
So I rest may case.
You haven’t even brought a case, Stanley.
“You haven’t even brought a case, Stanley”………. Hmmmm
Please be advised Esq. Golem that I am defendant and you are a plaintiff.
You brought the case and I have quashed it!
Res ipsa loquitur, Stanley.
Three basic requirements must be satisfied before you can submit under res ipsa loquitur…….. idiot!
And an apple with Fullerton or something on it, That big picture of her on FFFF scares the holy living shit outta me everytime i see it
That would have encouraged brutality, sadly submitted. There are probably 100,000s of those videos in their possesion.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/08/video_of_anaheim_police_beatin.php
Agree. 100%. He did great. He got in front of the storm before it rained. Deflected the pressure. Media even published the wrong information with the “demotion” and had to fix that but most people just saw demotion and were shocked at his quick work.
It is a two grade demotion on the payscale of the BOSS of the division. At the very least it is totally humiliating. #1 his name was called out. #2 the video is being played to all divisions in the morning. #3. It shows Charlie Beck is in charge.
Do not belittle the punishment. WHen you are a captain and want commander pay and instead are demoted two pay grades on the pay scale, called out in front of the entire city of Los Angeles and videoed as to why to every division police location in the city, that is a MAJOR punishment. Of course, he can now get sick and retire on disability like the last two Fullerton PD chief and acting chief.
Do they still have federal oversight or is that over? I know they have the police commission.
Again, we have three Cowboys on our city council who are hell bent on furthering their Libertarian agenda without doing the most minimal research to determine the consequences of their rash acts.
http://www.facebook.com/JanFloryForCityCouncil/posts/489771447701031
yawn….. (she’s boring now)
I heard Flory was a member of M.O.L.S.S – Mothers Of Lying Sacks of Shit. You know since her creepy kid was busted for lying about a DAs endorsement and for egregious courtroom behavior.
Maybe she nursed him too long and he sucked up all that bitter bile.
MOLSS omg that is hysterical lmao! And, yes she does seem to have quite a creepy kid — he’s got lots written about him…
I believe Mr. Kiger has only strengthened his position on the council. Most people are fed up with the police state and the gestapo tactics. Unfortunately the goal of the establishment and its whore media that most everyone is addicted to including their children are being trained to become animals so that they can be treated like animals. Go to the airport and opt out of the leukemia machines and watch as some TSA ass clown puts on the gloves and gets real intimate with you and if you are really lucky -into your pants. What the hell -lets have em work with the military and local law enforcement at CHECKPOINTS while we are at it. That is where this is going and you know it is true. The checkpoints garnished with the grants, and the OT are just greasing the skids for you all to look the other way when it comes time to begin taking DNA swabs and deploying mobile backscatterers. If we could only be so blessed lets hope that they don’t forget the forced vaccinations-especially for your children as they will be coming to a checkpoint near you soon. I felt that I needed to repeat myself here. Such blind support for grant money is very dangerous. MADD needs to go picket in front of ALL THE DAMNED BARS instead of lobbying to dragnet everyone. Fullerton is breaking the addiction to the grants with strings a mile long that take us down the river Cocytus. The vote showed true leadership that someday you will all realize was long overdue.
Amen. I love the USA. Romney it is.
Robama or Obamney it will be. For Fullerton November will be most definitive.
http://dollarvigilante.com/sites/default/files/images/Shhh.jpeg
Lame
true
I totally agree, things are deteriorating at the speed of light 🙁 Kiger did the right thing.
Hey Porky, I see how you always refer to Tony’s money. I heard Tony had his gold toilet cast when gold was $500 an ounce. It took 30 pounds of gold to make that toilet so he paid $240,000 for it and now it is worth about $797,000 ……. for something Tony craps in…. You alway throw up Tony’s money when you lose your argument like usual…. throw those #s out and convince people Tony is an evil guy who craps close to a million bucks every time he sits down.
Tony has a gold toilet? OMG, I want one! 😉
There is also a rumor that Tony has a stash of $10,000 bills that the feds used to use for bank money transfers in a basket next to the toilet he uses as wipes. I heard from a guy who knows a guy that FPD has a sewer division set up to monitor the waste from Tony’s toilet, they are using the proceeds from the toilet to fund Flory’s run for office…. they have close to $10,000,000 . The plumbers van saw Tony eat lots of salad one night and they scored big in the sewer.
Mechanic, you are awesome! you have some fabulous contacts… not many have a friend of a friend of a friend on hand for 911 info! Faaaaantastic! 🙂
I like the smell of money in the morning.
me too, but thankfully don’t need the toilet to find it lol
Careful analysis of Tony’s stool will find elevated levels of cocaine and KY Jelly too!
I want the inter dimensional worm hole in his basement.
heh heh heh
The wormhole goes from Tony’s gold shitter to the HQ of the FPOA.
not funny, and very classless.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings. But not really.
Only because it’s going to take Tonys money to continue the success.
Whatever. Good investment in good government. Worth it. LOL!
I see. Ridiculous made-up assertions about Tony are untrue, ERGO all assertions about Tony are untrue — is that the gist of it?
“Before the end of redevelopment last
year, the annual combined city budget
was $237.8 million. Managing this
money is critical, but Whitaker, Kiger,
and Sebourn choose to ignore the expertise of city professionals, the results of
independent studies, and the work of citizen committees, instead relying on their
own expertise as blogger, surveyor, and
unelected district representative. This attitude could put a city, already stressed, due
to the economy, in dire straights.
According to the most recent census
there are 45,391 occupied households in
Fullerton and 138,610 residents. As residents we want a well run city. But the current council majority seems to want and
may succed in running the city into the ground”
The city doesn’t need their help as it already hit the magma.
Expetise of City professionals.
Now there’s the old boohoo mantra. The same “professionals” that refuse to get rid of superfluous personnel, who stalled the water tax issue for an entire year, who ginned up an obviously phony fee (so bad even Quirk had to reject it) with the help of other “professionals” and who have let Fullerton’s infrastructure deteriorate as they got ever increasing step raises and pensions bumps.
No, T hink I’ll go with Kiger and Whitaker, thank you very much.
I will go with anyone other than Kiger and Whitaker. They don’t seem to listen.
Thank you very much
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-video-20120831,0,3450294.story
The article says she surrendered her kids at the station as she knew she was unable to care for them. That would be a smart move as she obviously cared about her kids. So why the abusive behavior from the cops, AGAIN? This is the kind of stuff that makes me hate living in this country and want to renounce my citizenship and become an expat. She obviously had issues, the female cop had bigger issues with boundaries. It’s easy to sit and criticize things after the fact; I know things happen in the heat of the moment, I get that. Why not just stop, let things calm down, why get heated over this in the first place? If she surrendered her kids, which for me would be over-the-top horrifying to do, then she obviously needed some time and space to get better, and she was trusting the cops with her children? I don’t know, I just know this type of cop behavior makes me sick. Kicking someone in the genitals while they are handcuffed or not is freaking wrong. 🙁 It never says she was trying to hurt herself or anyone else so why this abuse?????
It can’t be proven that all or almost all landlords passed on water rate expenses to their tenants in their rent. That’s a ridiculous assumption. Some landlords will figure that cost in, for others it will remain a fixed cost that they will absorb. For what you say to be true all landlords would have to make a very similar rate of profit off rents. They don’t. So for some the rebates would be just as justified as they would be for homeowners, or for renters who were directly charged.
Just send the checks to the people who paid the bills. That’s all on record.
Talk to a microeconomist about whether landlords can be presumed to include the cost of utilities within rent. Your assertion about the implication of this economic fact is wrong. I don’t expect you to believe me; talk to some expert you trust.
There is no “invariable law of landlord rent-seeking behavior.” Some little old lady might be renting out her property to some nice people and never raise the rent no matter what happens to utility costs. And in every place I’ve rented, I paid either some or all of the utility costs directly. Your assumption is just flat-out unprovable.
Absolutely. I lived in an apartment in Fullerton for 9 years. I was a good tenant and the landlord didn’t raise the rent my first 7 years. In other words HE sucked up any water rate increases (including the 10% increment increases).
Once again Dumpster Diver fails.
Thanks God for the Gentile landlords.
Or maybe the water rates were amortized over multiple apartment units so the cost was diluted and the incremental cost easy to absorb by the landlord. Small apartment units generally don’t use that much water anyway and if the tenants are good ones, you might cut them a break if they pay their rent on time. Then again, lots of landlords are scumbags and they raise the rent every year.
Once again, dumpster divin’ douchebag fails again….
“Then again, lots of landlords are scumbags and they raise the rent every year.”…………. Hmmmmm
I am glad that you do recognize that minority Gentile landlords are not scumbags.
“Waiter!”
Or the increase in your landlords costs was absorbed into an initially higher profit margin that was lessened by the decrease in risk posed by your having been a good tenant. (This is aside from the obvious point that the initial water costs were included in your first year’s rent check.
You probably think that a renter does not pay property taxes either, right?
Renters pay rent.
And the cost of rent is determined in substantial part by the cost of property taxes.
Some utility costs, sure. Rarely the cost of cold water. In fact, I can’t remember ever paying the cost of cold water as a renter. Heating that water, sure.
I pay for water every month and I rent.
Hmmm. Wonder what crow tastes like? Anyway, I’ll take my refund.
Then you deserve a refund. I’m not saying that it never happens, I’m saying that I haven’t heard of it happening. Aside from California, I’ve rented in Washington state, Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Arkansas, Indiana and New York. I’ve never been charged for cold water. I’m glad I said “rarely” rather than “never,” aren’t you?
You don’t get it. Anybody can post here. The only person worrying about who is posting as who is you. Everybody else just accepts that anonymity is the nature of this conversation and goes along. If you don’t like, why not just ignore it? And that goes for Jan Flory too.
I’m not saying that it’s illegal. I’m saying that it beyond unseemly for someone to be able to climb off of the Council dais and then start laying waste to political enemies under a cloak of anonymity. It’s legal, sure — but the public won’t like it and, in my opinion, shouldn’t like it. They should know what their elected officials are saying in public.
Unseemly? Oh, my, my. Perhaps your mommy didn’t nurse you long enough.
Perhaps. I doubt it, though.
Any political candidate or their paid employees could be writing comments on OJB under a pseudonym and you’d never know it. If the public “should know what their elected officials are saying in public” how could you ensure that? The fact is, you can’t, and the only way to do so would be to pass some more privacy-shredding laws, as if we don’t have enough of those already. So this is how the world works. If Flory and her ilk don’t like it they should start their own blog.
You can ensure it by law and regulation. You can use shame.
The sound of the lack of denial of it here is deafening. Seriously, I expected a denial and then to be done with it. I did not expect to hit pay dirt like this.
Sorry, that should be “CAN’T ensure it by law and regulation.”
Ohhhh, boohoo. Little Greggy’s got his panties in a twist. Again.
I see — “got his panties in a twist” is OK, but “maybe your mother stopped breast-feeding you too soon” isn’t.
Since apparently I’m all twisted up and probably in pain anyway, I’ll repeat: the lack of Travis and Tony’s denial of writing under other pseudonyms, such as say “The Fullerton Harpoon,” is DEAFENING!
I’m not Tony or Travis Greggie. I don’t know who they post as or when and I don’t care. They may only post as themselves. Again, don’t know, and don’t care. Jan Flory might be Porky Pig, or LDX for all anybody knows.
I believe you — but of course they won’t deny it themselves because if they denied being you where could they stop?
If Jan Flory posts here, she’s one of the few Democrats who has the guts. It’s funny, I’ve literally met her now about five times, all within the past month or so, but I’ve been impressed that she is willing to give as much grief to her critics as she gets from them. I’m proud to be in that “pugnacious Democrat” mold.
“I’m not Tony or Travis Greggie”……… Hmmmmmm
Said Fullertonski, but I may be!…….. HaHaHa, HaaaaaaaaHaHa.
I am your dark voices in your head!
I am your nightmare!…….. BuuuuuHaHa, HaaaaaaaaHaHa.
You’re the guy who just wrote “paranoia, paranoia, paranoia” up there somewhere, right?
Good night, Stanley.
“Devil never sleeps”
Um…do you have ANY idea how quick and easy it is to change your IP address?
Didn’t think so. 😛
Yes I do!
Do you know how easy it is to link you to new one?
Even if you are using offshore proxy?
ONE? hahahaha!! That is hilarious. Multiple people have asked you to leave (or be removed). Funny how when someone wants YOU to leave they don’t like being challenged, but those same people should be screaming for Stanley’s ouster because you have chosen to ban him on your site. I don’t recall one person that has supported you out of thousands of posts but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that I might have missed one or two. I am thinking that if you look up the word grandiosity you will probably see your picture there.
I prefer you both to take your issues back to your own place, but since it isn’t my playground, I have no control and accept that reality. While I know this will fall on deaf ears, it bears repeating…Get over yourself Diamond.
What’s really funny is that Diamond brought that nut over here and then gets mock-outraged about his comments.
If Diamond goes away, his alter-ego goes with him.
don’t tease me like that Harpoon.
You nailed it. Maybe they can set up a private chat account and trade barbs. No one else is interested.
“Brought that nut over here?”
Stanley was here before me — and he followed me back here because I suspended him from OJB and he has a sad. My outrage over his commentary isn’t mock. And — “alter-ego”? That’s like my saying that about you and Bankhead!
I know how badly you’d like the uninterrupted group think here to return, but it’s bad for you. It makes you sorta stupid.
“since it isn’t my playground, I have no control and accept that reality”………. Hmmmmm
Finlay you starting to understand a concept (an experiment, an idea) of the Americanism.
God bless America!
Mr. or Ms. Anonymous,
Yeah, people here who want me to leave don’t like being challenged. People who want Stanley to leave don’t like being confronted with old European-style anti-Semitism. There is a difference there; figure it out on your own.
Being challenged is good. It’s the being bored part that isn’t working out so well.
If you’re bored with my writing, skip it. Next case!
I was speaking for the general blog readership. I actually enjoy proving you wrong, and exposing your role as a cog in the Democratic Party spin machine.
Do you also actually enjoy using your superpowers to fly over buildings? Because you’re dreaming then too.
Being accused of spin by FFFF is like being accused of having a dimple by a golf ball.
You go ahead and read all of my blog posts and provide evidence of my “spin.” Then tell me who my “spin” is supposed to be working for. I’m looking forward to it.
You are admittedly working for the Dem Party.
Yes, he lives in the broom closet at party central. Really sad.
Actually, ‘poonling, MY IP ADDRESS IS COMING FROM INSIDE YOUR HOUSE!
@nista — I don’t receive payment (in fact, pretty much the opposite) from the Democratic Party. So what do you mean by “work”?
GD, who knew you were a mind reader too!? How do you differentiate between the people who don’t want you here because they can’t stand you, and the people who don’t want you here because they don’t want to be challenged?
You make sorta stupid look brilliant.
I should add,
From Jewish Newspaper http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/british-documents-reveal-begin-refused-entry-to-u-k-in-1950s-1.371838
People say they can’t stand me because I challenge them. Oh, and because I’m supposedly arrogant — the proof being that I keep on challenging them. The two categories are really not much different.
“old European-style anti-Semitism”…….. Hmmmm
Have you ever visited Europe?
Or did you figured all your antisemitic crapola from Jewish propaganda Hollywood movies.
WRONG.
Most people are willing to accept your arguement at face value. It’s your cocky in your face, SMART ASS mentality that we don’t appreciate.
You would do well to appeal to us based on values. In other words, show a little humilty.
I beleive you could gve a shit about humility, humanity or anything else if it refelcted poorly on the democratic party. I think that for an educated man, you have few if any thoughts of your own, and I think you are lazy, you take the easy way out ALWAYS, because that gives you something to complain about.
But thats just what I think.
Stand down, for a moment, look in the mirror, maybe take a kernal of something you might agree with and start there.
It’s obvious that you “Jew bait” your advasaries every chance you get, which is dispicable to the religion. Additionally it weakens your arguements.
We want a diaolouge among Fullertonians, we might welcome an outside voice, if it wasn’t so blatantly biased torwards a specific cause.
YOU MISSED A GREAT CHANCE TO BECOME A STATE SENATOR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD RATHER BE AN BIG MOUTH ASSHOLE.
Look, whoever and whatever you are, I’m no more “cocky” or “smart ass” than the average poster here and one hell of a lot more respectful of those with whom I disagree. So the objection is not to my being “cocky” or “smart ass” — it’s the bleating of bullies who just got punched back in the nose.
The notion that I always defend Democrats (or always attack Republicans is laughably wrong, as you would know if you knew the first thing about my involvement with the County Party, when I have been aggressively against corporate democrats and for reform. Go ahead and ask people. I’m not going to attend to your anonymous snottiness about how lazy and unoriginal I am; let the record speak for itself.
I am rarely one to “Jew bait,” as you put it; in fact, the most recent argument I’ve had on anti-Semitism in OC political circles was one in which I was defending Claudia Alvarez’s comments that were widely taken to be anti-Semitic as arguably just a bad choice of analogy. So for one thing, you’re flat out wrong.
For another, calling out someone who says the things that Stanley says (and “most landlords are Jews” is just the tip of the stinking bud) is not “despicable to the religion.” Calling out florid anti-Semitism? Most Jews are OK with that, though thanks for the advice.
You have a dialogue including many voices who describe themselves as being outside of Fullerton, so this site crossed that line long ago. (Your outside admirers — Greenhut, Arellano, Moxley — any of them in Fullerton?)
As for my “great chance to become a State Senator” — I almost did hold back criticizing the excesses of people here, with whom (as you’ve heard me say before) I usually agree half of the time, for political gain — and then I was ashamed at myself for thinking of it. If you all want to vote for — or donate, so that he can give the excess to Ackerman — Bob Huff, that’s on your consciences. My life goes happily on either way.
But one thing that people would get from me in Sacramento is someone who is willing to put up a dogged fight to the point of being impolite. That is one of the more admirable things, in the best of cases, about FFFF — but if you don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, then you should prefer my opponent, because he’ll just ignore you except when he’s backstabbing you. Your choice.
“I’m no more “cocky” or “smart ass” than the average poster here and one hell of a lot more respectful of those with whom I disagree”……… Hmmmmmm
Wrong!
You assert that you are the God chosen people and defame and stigmatize based thereon.
Actually, no I don’t, Stanley — I believe that everyone of any religion or no religion is equally “chosen.” Come to think of it, you’ve never actually asked me about my personal beliefs, but have just assumed them. As you say: Hmmmmm….
“you’ve never actually asked me about my personal beliefs”……….. Hmmmmm
I do not have to because I know that you must recite KOL NIDRE declaration.
Yeah, that not anti-Semitic at all. Luckily no one here but me has any idea what you’re talking about. Right out of standard Old European libels.
State Senator? A ling cod had a better chance of being a State Senator.
This clown was all they could get.
Are you calling Bob Huff a ling cod? Not that I’m disagreeing, mind you.
Running for office is, for me, a way of promoting social change, win or lose. I’m enjoying it!
Greg Diamond is slick, in a Matthew Cunningham kind of way. Heis merely trying (and doing a good job of it) from other more important issues like Sharron Quirk Silva’s failures, crazy comments and horrible performance as a councilmember/mayor.
Don’t think for a minute he isn’t a calculating, coniving political operative.
True. If he were a registered republican he could make money in OC writing blog posts for hire.
That’s true. I’ve had people try to recruit me into the GOP for decades, with offers of more than I’ve ever made before (including as a lawyer in Manhattan.) It’s frightening how much pressure there is on people to take the money and do the business of the rich and powerful. It gives you a sense of the soul-sickness of those who run things.
You missed my point – which is that the Dems don’t have any money.
Not having money! How suspect!
“I’ve had people try to recruit me into the GOP for decades”……….. Hmmmmmm
How about JDL?
People in JDL generally hate me and other peace-oriented Jews more than you do, Stanislav.
We’d be happy if you simply got recruited to the Buddies Of Brea website, an offshoot of this one, because frankly, we have hinted nicely, sometimes not so nicely that you are not really wanted around here.
You are not part of our community, you have elbowed your way into every conversation so you could spew your partisan drivel. At the expense of people who actually raise kids here, pay taxes here, depend on the services here (water, police, public services).
Again, you insist on inserting yourself into a debate where you have NO skin in the game.
It’s preety easy to bitch, compalin, suggest, when there is no consequense.
Why don’t you try and help the forty Brea cops being let go because the fucked up the YL bid.
I am certain, Neel’s tounge is long enough to reach Greg’s Nards. Maybe you can scam an endorsement from the BPOA.
After all, the kill white kids not brown. So they are a shoo in for your support.
Please Please Go Away.
None of you have names except Fiala. For all I know, you’re just one extremely energetic and demented person.
Someone just told me “anyone can post here” (this was part of defending Travis’s tolerance of bigotry here.)
Believe me, in my part of Brea, on the Fullerton border, we have skin in the game of Fullerton politics. But even if I lived in the foothills, I’d have a stake in Fullerton not going nuts.
That second to last paragraph, before you started whining, is completely out of line. If you have any decency — and yes, I’m almost laughing at that thought — you’ll disavow it.
Or — double down on it if you’d like! I’d enjoy verbally kicking your cowardly teeth into your cowardly intestines.
“I’d enjoy verbally kicking your cowardly teeth into your cowardly intestines” Just cut it out, you’re a fat man in a ‘lil coat with a used car salesman name that practices law out of his home, no less! You’re not doing shit, except carrying on your symbiotic relationship with Stanley, tending to your OJB site which has 5 posts, 2 are yours, and being first in line at Sizzlers all you can eat buffet!
I think that’s wrong. I think all 5 are his. And most of the comments, too.
I only comment under my own name there (and here.)
You may think that, but you think lots of things that aren’t so.
“A ‘lil coat”? And “used car salesman name”? Please, Larrt — I’d use “Bruce Whitaker.”
What’s wrong with practicing law out of one’s home? Lots of solo practitioners do it nowadays. There are even lifestyle articles about it! With lower fixed expenses one can be more selective about clients, which I really like.
I’ve eaten at Sizzler maybe once a year, “Larrt,” not that facts concern you. You’re pretty ignorant, you know?
Yeah — except that I’m not working for Sharon, or being paid by anybody to be here. This is my own volunteer activism. Compare that to Cunningham.
I’m completely up front about what I’m doing. I don’t want to see Fullerton go down the path of Wisconsin and what was intended for Costa Mesa. Not in my neighborhood, not on my watch. Two FFFFsters on the City Council doesn’t bother me; it’s a good check on the FPD and on overreach by its opponents. Give you guys the majority, though, and you go nuts.
There’s a difference between an operative and an activist, just like there’s a difference between conniving and calculating. I’m a calculating activist, and proud of it, but not a conniving operative.
Anyway, get with the program; this blog is about Flory, not SQS!
Dems don’t have any money or you would indeed be on some part hack payroll.
Probably not. I’m a bit hard to control. Principled and all that.
I’ll bet you are a “bit hard to control” at an all you can eat buffet…
It’s been so long since I’ve been to one I’m not even sure.
If you couldn’t make fat jokes, would you have anything to say at all?
Yes, that’s true. Your principle is to shill for Democrats of below average ability.
So you’re disagreeing with Harpoon? Great, let’s see you two mix it up. Tony.
There is also a difference between overweight and fat ass, why don’t you practice some self control, fat ass!
You appear to have issues, “Larrt.”
I can only hope that they have the majority for a few more months. They are completely out of touch with the Fullerton residents and are making very poor decisions while being rude to anyone with a different point of view. Sebourn is not rude but make no mistake he is an FFFFster and he makes decisions right along with Keger and Whittaker. Anyone see Whittaker pass a note along to Keger right before they teamed up on the MADD representative? That was very nice and what I would expect of our councilmembers to verbally attack this lady who wanted to speak up about a poor decision. What was up with the guy who was making a statement about Whittaker and Zamara? Seems like a real group of professionals on clowncil
Ohhhhh riiiiight, you are here for the greater good of Fullerton!! hahahahahaha! What would we ever do without you Mr. Grandiosity? Maybe you should quit your day job Diamond, you might have a future in comedy.
Speaking if SSSSSSSilva, wonder what she will do once she loses the election?
Maybe she should move to Brea and run there, I promise to not annoy the brea people and butt my nose in where it doesn’t belong.
She may have to arm wrestle Keller for her old job as the Fullerton Collaboratrix.
No, no — for the greater good of Orange County, Southern California, California, the Southwest, the United States of America, the world, and the Galactic … wait, I’m not supposed to talk about that last one yet.
You really don’t understand people acting out of principle? Wait, why did I even ask — of course you don’t.
“You really don’t understand people acting out of principle?”………. Hmmmmm
And what that principle may be in your case?….. Golem?
Fraud?, Lie?, Extortion?, Fascism?, Terrorism? Communism?…… etc. etc. etc.
Lol, NGD.
I hope the council gives the Flory crowd an option to forgo their refund and put it toward the infrastructure!!!
Watch the hypocrites clam up!
Thanks for that sensational idea. I’m going to write a post encouraging that!!
Are we still voting for Seaborn?
He’s comfy in his chair for awhile. Smiling. Laughing.
SlideBar is rockin tonight. I think I just saw TBuah walk by. I woulda bought you a shot buddy. Party.
🙂
Overweight, past middle aged, shaved head, ’cause hair don’t grow no more, no one willing to listen to your stories tonight, not even for a drink? Worst stories always start with I remember when…..
Greg, I read the Water study report. It was not really an independent study. Rather it provided a result asked for by the city manager. Garbage in, garbage out.
Their new and “improved” water fee rate of 6.67% was not backed up by facts.
The real justifiable fee rate is less than 1%.
Your comments that landlords who paid the illegal 10% do not deserve a refund, comes right out of the socialist playbook.
If one follows your reasoning, you could justify robbing every rich person at gunpoint because tyrant Greg does not believe they deserve their money.
By the way, anyone who provides dozens and dozens of responses to almost every article as you do, needs to get a life or at least another blog in which to bore its readers to death.
I think it was 6.4%. I’ve had others tell me that that was the right figure, independent of the study. Why hasn’t Tony paid for someone “independent” to redo the study with generally accepted assumptions, then? Maybe because it would take away his ability to call it an “illegal water tax”?
Landlords usually include an estimate of the cost of water they will provide as an element of determining rent. That means that a portion of the rent paid goes to cover the expected cost of water. Is that even controversial? You think that that’s “socialist”? Have you talked to landlords about whether they do this?
Sorry, but speaking truth to the power that took over a major OC city is part of my activism. You don’t like reading my comments, skip them. Protect yourself from SOCIALISM!
……….. Hmmmmmm
Who said payment?….. you idiot!
The legal term is a “consideration”.
Do you receive any?
You mean like satisfaction and a sense of personal honor? Yes, there is that.
“You mean like satisfaction and a sense of personal honor?”………… Hmmmmm
The issue of your personal honor is moot by your presentations here……. there is none, however!
I meant other good and valuable consideration, the adequacy, sufficiency and receipt of which is thereby acknowledged.
Oh, look! It knows some law!