So Who (Besides Bruce Whitaker) Hasn’t Seen The Video?
Here’s an article by the pathetic Lou Ponsi in the OC Register about a guy named John Huelsman, an ex-cop, who unluckily happens to be the step-father of Jay Cicinelli, the Fullerton policeman charged with the beating death of schizophrenic homeless man Kelly Thomas, last July.
This man popped up at the last council meeting nattering the same nonsense about what an angel his step-boy is, so this isn’t really news. What is news is this guy’s claim that he has been able to review the City-owned video that captured the Thomas killing.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that Huelsman is actually telling the truth. This begs the question – who hasn’t seen the video? We know that our elected representative, Bruce Whitaker is being illegally denied the opportunity to see it. But, really: the freakin’ step-father of the accused gets to watch it? Really? And a Fullerton council member may not?
So who let this guy watch the video? Was it the FPD? Was it the District Attorney? Such questions seem not to have occurred to the incurious idiot Lou Ponsi whom we can all count upon to miss the real story while peddling pro-cop bullshit.
Somebody better explain soon why some clown from who knows where can watch the video, when the people’s elected representative can’t.
So who let this creep watch the video?
Hughes, care to answer? Is he a liar?
The city is liable for the creep Cicinell’s actions. It’s goddamn unconscionable that city leaders can’t watch the tape but this fool can.
I think the DA should subpoena his stepfather ASAP and find out how Mr. Huelsman was able to freely watch this video, whereas Kelly’s own mother, Cathy Thomas, has to hire an excellent ex-deputy District Attorney named Brian Gurwitz to try and force the DA to allow her to see the video?
I’m still blown away that Kelly’s mother can’t see it. Can anyone shed any light on the reasoning behind letting Kelly’s father see it but not his mother? Ron has seen it, correct?
Yes it is true. The DA said that in order for me to watch it, he wanted me to sign a discloser agreement stating that I would not discuss the content of the video with anyone. Garo and I agreed, but Cathy’s attorney said no. So, he then sued the DA. I think that the real question should be, Why did Cathy get her own attorney?
She got her own lawyer because she doesn’t want to share the jackpot!
If I already said Amen, then print it!
…and just in case the Sheriff’s office needs to serve a subpoena, and claim they couldn’t find his address where they could serve him with a subpoena at it’s…
Huelsman & Associates
Address: 6721 Washington Ave
Phone number: 562 943-1986
Zip code: 90601
City: Whittier, California (CA)
or, Cicinelli’s Pizza and Pasta- a small family owned Itaian restaurant in El Centro, California. Located right off Interstate 8 on Ocotillo Dr. 760-353-9678
TUES-FRI 11:30-9:00
SAT 4:30-9:00
…I doubt that they’re related. Cooks usually have alot of love in their hearts.
oh, they’re related. for sur
sur-13
It was run by a family with Italian roots. Actually it was very well-run!
It’s delicious and very well liked by all Imperial Vallley.
I heard from another blogger (ACU) that Cici most likely had a copy because it’s evidently his right to have one, so he must have showed daddy.
#117 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 2, 2012
Merijoe, Huels watched the copy of his sons tape he no doubt now has, and is entitled to have by law.
So pops comes over to sit down and look at this tape for himself.
I would too if I could.
You got that right…It’s his right as his daddy.
Hey the city liability is in the over $10,000,000 class and guess what? The city council that has to pass judgement on the size of the payment can’t even get to see the video. Ooops, Pat McPension and Tricky Dicky Jones saw it. But thats ok, one is a Doctor and the other is an ex police chief.
Well, Fullerton, you sure will need a water tax INCREASE when this all gets over with. So call off those Howard Jarvis taxpayers Association wolves now since you need the money for Pensions and beatings, killings, stealing, and sexual perversions with “bad girls” in back seat of police car!
I wonder what Sgt. Goodlie has to say about all this?
The City does not decide on the civil judgment. A jury in civil court will do that.
The LEO’s involved had chance upon chance to change their reports, so they obviously had ample time to review the evidence. It will be so fun to watch their demise…for far too long they have had the upper hand and I, for one, will giggle as they squeel like the true pigs they are. I just hope at the end of the tunnel we aren’t responsible for paying their bloated pensions…
We all saw the video when we wrote our reports. We all made copies. Duh. That’s why I’m surprised some disgruntled cop didn’t come forward with some internal lies and BS and sue like everyone else. I guess FPD must be all happy and loving inside with no leaks. I like Mr Goodbars.
ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!!!
The officers accussed of this crime Ramos & Cincinelli have copies of all or most of the evidence against them, given to them by their attorney’s after discovery was filed by the defense.
NOTHING ILLEGAL going on here WHATSOEVER!!!!
I am sure the defendants have been instructed by their attorney’s to review the material and let them know if they see any problems, or address any question they have. AS attorney’s should do with their clients.
I am sure Ramos & Cincinelli have reviewed that tape themselves many times, making notes or pointing out something in that tape they think their attorney should be aware of.
Those guys might have a friend or family member sitting with them going over things assisting them for whatever reason.
So it would not be unusual for a family member to have seen this tape at this point in time, as Cincinelli’s step dad obviously has.
He commented on it without being specific, and he is entitled to his opinion like anyone else.
What kind of question is that Sipo? The answer is simple; the only ones who can watch the video are the good folk who side with (trumpets please)Law Enforcement. They aren’t going to allow people like Whitaker, terrorists, gangsters or FFFF bloggers know anything because they could use the knowledge for evil purposes.
They probably would have recorded it with their phones or cameras.
They have a copy of the video because they’ve been accused of and charged with a crime. I suppose you won’t be happy until you get your own copy to jerk off with.
They do, not the father, is the point, genius
Nah, but it’d be nice if Bruce Whitaker could see it.
Why would it be nice for Whitaker to see? So he can run to Tony Bushala and say..We fucked up!
Yeah that way he can get sued by the officers when he said the officers lied on their police reports. Remember Whitaker??
The point of the post is pretty obvious to anybody with a 10th grade education: at this point the video is virtually in the public domain.
So why can’t Whitaker see it?
It sounds like the video is in the public domain but it’s actually not. I would agree a certain circle of people are in the know.
FPD, the DA, defense attorney’s and their clients have copies that’s for sure. Investigators have look at it. Many might have made a copy for themselves.
More than a few have seen it, but their not talking.
@#19, NO gag order issued on this case to my knowledge. No issue with the step dad saying what he said.
If you think back a couple LE officials have made comments that what they watched was “horrific” or words to that effect.
That might be considered the opposite of what step dad said.
As to Councilman Whitacker, he has ran into several roadblocks in this saga.
His recourse is to seek relief from the courts if he feels his “right to know” is being blocked by his peers within the city.
The reason he is being blocked should be obvious to those paying attention.
But it’s up to Whitacker to take action on this. Otherwise everyone will continue to ignore him.
Everything you say on this subject seems true, ACU.
When Whitacker gets before a judge, the judge will see the denial of Whitacker’s viewing of the recording as incoherent given the access to the recording given to other legitimate parties. Judges hate incoherency.
It won’t happen, but I would love to see McKinley put under oath to be asked if he has seen it. Then again, McKinley may have been “smart” enough not to see it but to trust a detailed “need to know” description from someone else at FPD.
Your last statement sounds like a good question to follow up with should McKinley state that he hasn’t seen the tape. “Did another member of law enforcement that HAS seen the tape discuss any of the contents of the tape with you?”
FL, make no mistake that McKinley has seen the tape from start to finish.
If anyone believes the former Chief of 16 years does not know what’s going on behind the scenes, or has not seen the video is drinking a large glass of “kool aid”.
His commentary to the media on that issue alone, tells me he has.
I’d bet anything Hughes and others, have sought his advise on some of this. NOTHING wrong with that I might add.
But for him to give the public the impression he REALLY doesn’t know much, is funny as hell.
His comments should be accepted much like the trolls, because “I said so”.
McKinley just doesn’t want to answer a thousand questions on all that. He truly does have his own problems in trying to keep his seat on the council.
Even the greatest of leaders seek out advise from those who have been there done that.
You know ACU, I think you may have touched on something there, that I think may be at the root of the majority of the problems that these three have with their leadership styles.
As I was pointing out in an earlier post today, there is a huge paradigm shift that occurs when someonein authority transposes the two words “you will!” into “will you?”
I think that these guys whole lives have been spent telling people to do as I say and readily believe what I tell you, as opposed to asking people for their cooperation and trust.
Big difference in the two modes, and I openly wonder if this isn’t a male behavior thats generational, especially with those generations before us, where every able bodied male that was over 18 was involuntarily inducted into the military?
You say that as if McKinely would not lie under oath, I think that is a fantasy thinking. I think the dept/city is corrupt enough that many will be lie under oath to protect each other ot themselves. Truth doesn’t seem to be something that is very important to many in this city, Truth and justice hasn’t been seen around this city for quite some time.
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There was also a confiscated video on a phone and arrest.
The judge may take Mr. Huelsmans’ actions as an attempt to interfere with the selection of an impartial jury and keep him in the County Crossbar Hotel for contempt of court until this trial is complete.
DON’T MESS WITH THE JUDGE….
Precisely. One of the reasons Whitaker is not permitted to see the video: he might talk to Lou Fonsi.
If Huelsman saw a copy that his stepson has – I wonder what the stepson’s attorney thinks about Huelsman commenting at the last City Council meeting.
Or, perhaps the attorney has no issues with it, but it’s pretty damn stupid on Huelsman’s part to come out and say he saw it when at least one council member (Whitaker) hasn’t.
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Huelsman commenting that he has seen the video and his son in law is innocent is a blatant attempt to pollute the jury pool.
Such attempts usually result in a gag order. Lets see if anyone notifies the judge.
I was going to make the same comment. I believe they’ll pull out all the stops they can to get boy Cicinelli off.
OMG ! You people have reached a new level of stupidity I didn’t think even you all capable of!
PLEASE DO try to explain how the father of a defendant speaking out on behalf of his child is ANY different than the Thomas family speaking out with their opinions?
“A blantant attempt to pollute the jury pool” ? If that is how you feel, wrongly I might add, how is it you don’t equally apply that logic to the Thomas family calling him a murderer, over and over and over?
They are both grieving family members who can say whatever they like. They are not involved in the investigation, have no authority.
As to why the father a saw the video – i agree with ACU – defendants & their attorneys are entitled to acces to the evidence that will be presented against them, and it appears he has his father joining him during his meeting with his attorney. How freaking hard is that to figure out????
If you all would cut the crap and stay focused on REAL shit, you’d be alot more productive!
“how is it you don’t equally apply that logic to the Thomas family calling him a murderer, over and over and over?” Well, the fact is that Kelly was beaten to death, Murdered, not the cops. It’s not the same logic at all.
As you so eloquently stated, defendants and their attorneys are allowed before the trial to see any and all evidence presented against them.
Last time I checked, the stepfather is neither a defendant.
We are recalling the three dead tree stumps. That is very productive.
If you were a little brighter you would realize the point of my post. Which is that Bruce Whitaker has every right – even an obligation – to understand what happened that night. And he can only do that by watching the City-owned video.
The defendant has ALREADY watched the video, remember? In any case, step-dad has no inherent right to watch it if it’s so damn sensitive. Yet he gets to watch it and Whitaker can’t. Shameful.
Ron Thomas: you make my point with your reply, are you also polluting the jury pool by stating such an opinion?
“Sipowicz” Whitaker is a SINGLE member of an elected Council. He alone cannot DEMAND,or ORDER, anything. That is why there are FIVE members of the Council. I sat through the “Public Records 101” class Attorney Dick Jones presented at the Council meeting (and had to repeat several times) which explained this, and sadly it still didn’t sink in. I know you all think he walks on water, but he’s really not that bright.
Whitaker’s role in this mess will come soon enough and he will get to satisfy his very sick thirst to see the video.
You are totally wtong on this. Each member of a board or council has the right to information necessary to make an informed decission unless that information is made piviledged by a higher authority of law.
You are correct. IF. There is a matter before the COUNCIL upon which they are to vote.
And the video in question had been determined to be evidence NOT YET A PUBLIC RECORD., and something which will most likely come before him in his role as the Appeals Board when an involved officer is disciplined and/or terminated.
Ya know, there has been so much discussion about him wanting to watch this dn thing, u really do begin to wonder just how sick he is. What the he’ll does he think he NEEDS to know in his “Official” capacity that is so critical and obvious that MUST KNOW NOW, that the DA wouldn’t have told him. He clearly believes the FPD covered up something (which the DA & Ron Thomas must now know about since they’ve seen it), so what the hell is it he hopes to see?
Whitaker does have an official capacity: a capacity bestowed upon him by the electorate. What he does with this authority is between him and the voters. No city manager can overrule him, nor can the city attorney who works for him, as well. The prosecutor has no such authority to deny him such access, nor does a majority of the city council.
When a judge in the proper court tells Whitaker he can’t view city property, the denial will be legal
It never will be.
Then why did the Legislative Counsel tell Norby that no “Bruce’s Law” was needed? A majority of councilmembers cannot dictate what the others can see.
Dick Jones is a useless piece of shit who has already cost the taxpayers of Fullerton a fortune through his incompetent lackeydom. My guess is that the turgid turd is about 10 weeks away from losing his job.
What real shit should we be focused on? What in your world is deemed productive…give me a list and I will help you, help me stay focused…what’s important? Im all ears.
By the way, this trial will stretch out, then result in a civil trial and then depending on results can result in a federal trial. Its a long way from over.
No wonder. Gennaco is too busy with bigger money and funner stuff than Fullerton.
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Probation officers allegedly hurt hundreds of juveniles in their care
Christina Villacorte, Staff Writer
Created: 03/02/2012 11:37:26 AM PST
Even under the watchful eyes of federal monitors, Los Angeles County probation officers still are being accused of using excessive force on hundreds of juveniles in their care, according to a report released Wednesday.
The report from the Office of Independent Review also noted that off-duty misconduct by probation officers resulted in 69 arrests in 2011 – half of them for drunken driving.
It added that some teachers in juvenile halls and juvenile camps were found to have instigated “gladiator fights” among the wards in their classrooms, but could not be disciplined fully.
The local watchdog agency issued the report after the county Board of Supervisors ordered it to take a closer look at how the Probation Department investigated the conduct of its employees.
“Severe misconduct is frequent enough to have resulted in the discharge of 14 employees last year,” the report said. “The reasons for the discharges ranged from lying about an improper use of force against a client minor to defrauding a federal loan program to carrying on a covert relationship with a felon.”
“Off-duty behavior resulting in arrests also continues to flourish,” the report added. “For example, 69 employees were arrested by other law enforcement agencies or were named suspects in a criminal investigation, almost half of them for driving under the influences.”
Cynthia Hernandez, an attorney with the OIR, said the agency looked at 303 disciplinary cases against
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probation officers in 2011, and the vast majority of them involved allegations of using excessive force on juveniles.
Many of the allegations have yet to be resolved.
She said one of the most egregious disciplinary cases involved a female probation officer getting into a fight in a restaurant, shattering a wine glass and using it to cut another patron’s face and neck. The victim was permanently disfigured and the probation officer is now serving a four-year sentence in state prison.
Robert Miller, deputy chief attorney for the OIR, raised concerns about certain teachers arranging competitive fights among students in their classrooms.
Since the teachers are employees of the Los Angeles County Office of Education, the Probation Department is limited in its ability to discipline or punish them, Miller said.
Neither Probation nor LACOE immediately responded to requests for comment.
Federal monitors are separately looking at Probation to determine whether it has implemented all 41 reforms required by a federal consent decree.
Law enforcement wishes to remove videos to protect against defamation but google chooses transparency
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/10/google-refuses-to-remove-police-brutality-videos/247462/
Googles responce…
Google has hoped to make their position clear with their Transparency Report.http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/
The report corresponding to the first half of 2011 has an interesting little extra tidbit: “We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove.
We live in a society where every single word can and will be used against you in a court of law. But silence many times proves to be the undoing and is purly defensive. Transparency is the positive assertive way to resolve conflict.
Fulleton can learn from its mistakes and realize that focusing on liability only will cause more problems than not.
The training that agencies like
Law Enforcement Risk Management
may be the types of courses the city manager takes
http://www.llrmi.com/le/consultation.shtml
but doesn’t necisarilly have the best intrests of the community at whole in mind.As professional as this type of training is
A new approach is needed like google focus. Transparency will bring the best form of government
Seriously, the city pool is full of piss and it’s time to drain and sanitize it! PERIOD!!!
ohh did you get a yeast infection?
Tuco one could say the samething as to DA RACKS comments.
WE will know if the defense attorney’s think that if the ask for a change of venue in this case.
If that happens, and this case is moved out of the area, someone is going to be spending a lot of gas money to watch this episode from start to finish.
AT city council I had the opportunity to bat clean up after Mr H, , shaking and sweating- SIr how ever did you, after watching that tape, stand up with your quivering lips….churping Jay is the best guy, you have ever met…I guess you dont get out much or you hang out with members of fight club, how do you defend yourself watching a snuff film…Did jay look over with his one weepy eye…see daddy…I just bashed him after he was dead..because i wanted to fit in….Mr H, I bet your scrotom is so happy it didnt produce this pile of shit, but if you want to stand next to a murderer after watching that tape…sir your even sicker than your son….did you circle jerk together..this is what I picture, Sir you are a snuff film watcher , and I will call you so every time I see you…No wonder Jay turned out like he did…you watch snuff films….it all makes sense.
You are without a doubt, the biggest piece of shit scumbag that has ever walked the earth. I resent the fact that you and I breath the same air. You are an uneducated, drooling mongoloid who still wears diapers. You are a classic example of the riff raff degenerates that comprise Kelly’s platoon (sorry, 10 members does not make for an army) and FFFF. I’d be willing to bet that if you died tomorrow, not a single person would miss you.
ROFL!! LOL, YOU would miss us!!! LOL, YOU and the boys in blue just can’t keep away from FFFF. It’s your entertainment while on duty 24/7. If not for FFFF, you’d have NOTHING to do!! (Except for killing the innocents and helpless of the world.)
LOL @ STFU
what a cement head.
SIr if you even gave one poop about Jay, you would have NEVER ever let him patrol a city,with one eye…NEVER should you have allowed this, and for this I blame you too…O there is enough to go around…where is his mom…..O please sit by me in court…please! I will sit betwix Olive Oil- Jays wife, Jays mother, and YOU…niceties, thats over, the night you stood up and admitted you watch snuff films, and your son is a snuff film star….was the day that ship sailed…you will be treated accordingly.
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You are a hateful person.
Absolutely wrong. Everythings just Shell is a very loving person whose sensibilities have been offended by a cold blooded coward’s Stepfather stepping in front of her at City Hall, to tell the world that all of those eyewitnesses that saw Jay repeatedly hammer the butt of his Taser into the forehead of a mentally disabled man are delusional, and that Jay Cicinelli is actually a good Christian man that has been unjustly accused of a crime he didn’t commit.
You can try and sell anything you want Mr. Huelsman in order to make brownie points with Jay’s mother, but I’m pretty confident that the rest of us aren’t buying.
Yes, I am hateful…but guess what? I dont pal around, with theives,molesters,or gang bangers in blue,nor has ANYONE in my family bashed a homeless guy to death…..so really I will take hateful vs what you hang with and what you are.
You’re a piece of shit, nothing more.
Winning.
I dont think so…
Shell = pure win.
STFU = fat POS
From Ron Thomas’s Facebook ”
Ron Thomas
Now that it is coming down to the wire, it appears that the defense strategy for Jay Cicinelli is to have the Cicinelli Family verbally attack me. Starting with the stepfather, and now the sister (see Ron Thomas on Facebook). I’ve always quoted facts, and told the truth on every issue. When lashing out in anger Jill Cicinelli, be sure that you have done your homework. My time with the Sherriff’s Department for two days, or forty years has absolutely nothing to do with the murder of my son. Another fact is that everyone (but you) knows that Kelly’s mother filed a restraining order on Kelly. NOT ME! Do I know something that you don’t about your brothers actions? Evidently I do.”
Right. I don’t care how long Ron Thomas was with the Sheriff’s department. He’s absolutely correct that his time there has absolutely, one-thousand percent nothing to do with what happened!
Then stop claiming your are a retired cop and a martial arts expert, cause you are either. You are just full of yourself.
It’s amazing how Ron Thomas’ job history is cause for so much anger among the cop-defenders. I wonder why. It’s not like it’s very hard to become and stay a cop.
Jesus, look how long it took the FPD to de-cop Albert Rincon, the serial sex predator. Come to think of it we don’t know if he isn’t a cop somewhere else because McKinley called in a favor – just like he did for Hillman in the case of the disabled Cicinelli.
Albert Ramos, should be Albert Rincon.
And if he is, who cares. Mind your own business. Worry about yourself not everyone else. He is someone else problem.
Well it’s certainly the business of all the women he is still sexually attacking if indeed he is a cop. Without the badge and gun and taser I’m sure he’s just another fat tub of pig guts who would get beat up by “women like that.”
Shuffling bad cops around seems to be SOP for McKinley so my guess is Rincon is indeed a cop someplace else at his request.
Remember what he said? “I probably hired ’em all.”
Facebook from Jill Cicinelli
Jill Cicinelli Ron Thomas…… my name is Jill Cicinelli, Jay’s sister. I have sat back and been silent for months now and I just can not be silent anymore. I would really like to say these things to your face but this will do for now. First of all, we are all sorry that Kelly lost his life but that was from choices that he made. At first I was even sorry for his family but now I am not. Here is why. You have used your son’s name and this incident to create such a circus and I have some questions for you. Why have you told everyone you are a retired LEO when you actually didn’t even pass probation. Why are you making it out that Kelly’s death is such a loss to you when you had a restraining order against him and hadn’t seen him for some time? WHY WHY WHY on earth did you not give him this attention when he was ALIVE? If so he may not be dead now. You are feeling so guilty for everything YOU did or did not do and now you are trying to blame it on everyone else. You are some piece of work Ron Thomas. It really does not matter what you think of my brother because the truth will come out that he DID NOT murder Kelly. He is a good man, a good and true Police Officer and an excellent father to his children, something you might have a hard time understanding. I would suggest some professional help might be in order for you to deal with your actions and what role you played in Kelly’s life and death. Get the help you need Ron Thomas and quit blaming everyone else. JUSTICE FOR JAY!!!! And I don’t want to see one comment from anyone on how I can say these things to “poor ron thomas” You have all been calling my brother a murderer for months now as if you know all the facts, you haven’t a clue.
Justice for Jay will be a few months in the County Jail followed by a long life as something other than a cop, pulling in that disability pension from LAPD.
Jill, good for you. Ron is a piece of shit as are most of these “conspiracy theory” bloggers. Good luck to Jay, go to hell Ron and FFF. Ron, take your sorry ass, lyin’, can’t make probation, wanna be cop and suck a donkey dick. Buh bye, and yes im a cop troll. Ha ha ha FFF suckers, see ya at the trial for poor innocent kelly
Good luck finding an OC jury that will convict a cop for anything, much less accidentally killing a bum with a rap sheet who was trying to break into cars. The DA threw all of you a bone by filing those charges but in the end, they’ll both walk and then sue to get their jobs back with back pay.
Look, DHYB and other coplicking – snobs in blue trolls –
It’s really ironic, because the police you so love are worse than panhandlers. You can ignore panhandlers if you want.
You don’t have to give them money (or anything)
You are free to do as you please.
On the other hand, police are basically welfare whores, but violent.
We know they are welfare whores because we are forced to give them money.
If they were actually providing me a service I desired, I would buy that service voluntarily; the funds would not have to be extracted from me by taxation.
Even worse, you not only have to pay to feed them and keep them alive, they do destructive things with your money.
They beat your neighbors, give you stupid tickets (extortion) and on occasion kill people and animals.
It’s really terribly nonsensical that you’d wish a violent beating/death upon a panhandler who is really bothering no one and was not “breaking into cars” you trash, but show such great devotion for a bunch of undeserving, violent dipshits in uniform who take peoples’ money and resources by force, who dedicate their lives to robbing people of their freedoms, and to contributing to mass incarceration
You’ve got a lot of nerve calling someone a welfare whore considering you are nothing more than a petty crook yourself. We’re you treated well while you were a guest at OC Jail last year? How much does your sugar daddy pay you to troll for donations for the recall? Go change your undies you fat fucking slob and peddle crazy elsewhere. We’re all stocked up at FFFF.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cop lickers, cop family members, people just out of jail, miscreants, lowlife’s, people with grudges and people with badges who believe that they have a right to assault anyone according to their own discretion.
On the other hand, a few posts back, in the comments, you will find an exchange between me, ACU, and a California State Assemblyman. And the three of us are listening to all of you and taking what you say seriously.
well, Steve, since you allude to have the ear of our state assembly, why don’t you discuss your cousin’s role, Rusty kennedy, in the Pat McKinley inspired corruption of our town’s police force? Have you presented the ugly possibility that when Pat McKinley served on Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission’s board, fullerton’s community did report FPD’s systematic abuse of their civil rights to Rusty’s “clearinghouse” commission for police abuses against OC communities only to be ignored because McKinley asked Rusty to protect his officers. This is just my conjecture.
300,000 Dollar a year, Government teat party.
That wasnt even a good come you jailbird. I love when you start getting desperate and blog any stupid thing that doesnt make sense. Another Troll and loving it!!
That was for you Meriho!! Steve Brow was that a threat?? its funny when you FFFF dont like what we blog so you start crying cause you cant take it. I hope that assemblyman is reading all this cause all of you have said pretty bad chicken shit stuff yourselves.
Merijoe,
why did you post a trash letter to Ron Thomas on this blog. The writer of this letter has deleted her comments. You stole a letter from her facebook page and posted it here where it wasn’t meant to be. How do you know that she was just trying to work out her frustration. Now theres a lot of people trashing each other. Cut and paste your own stuff. Think twice before you trash someone openly.
Cicinelli family is full of fail. I feel bad they have to support a Murderer. and franc, posting to facebook (THE INTERENT) is not the same as writing in your little pink Diary. Big difference. The internet is FOREVER
Amazing, and not in a good way!
Great questions Shell…
Come on now Mr. Huelsman, where is Jay’s mom?
Did Jay or YOU yourself beat her to death as well?
Leave her out in the middle of nowhere for dead?
Yeah yeah hitlers sister said the same thing…..and how’d that turn out….
I shook my head as I read what Jill Cicinelli wrote. No Jill, YOU haven’t a clue!
Wow, it is amazing how delusional people can be when they only see what serves their interest. I wonder if Jill had been standing next to her precious brother Jay when he was beating Kelly’s face in and watched him die in the gutter, if she’d still be defending his actions. Truly disgusting.
Just saw this. Still reading..
http://www.ocregister.com/news/cicinelli-342860-huelsman-police.html
Hey Jill. I live on the other side of the country from my family. I havent seen them in a couple of years. If some crazed azzhole with a badge pounded their faces in and murdered them, I would be pretty upset and doing just what Ron is. What is so wrong in your family that your brother has to pound peoples faces in and kill them?
Chris Buzan
Why does Huelsman have access to the video? He is a retired officer and now a P.I. (does he have a fedora?). Is there some legal loop hole where he has the privileges of a police officer to view video when members of the local government are barred?
Lou Ponsi
Chris Buzan, Cicinelli’s attorney has a copy. I suspect that is how Mr. Huelsman saw it.
Rick Root
Wow… so this father-in-law is given access to the video but the public still can’t see it? Am I missing something, has the video been made public?
Greg Hardesty
Rick: The family’s attorney has access to the video.
Jill Cicinelli,
Like your unfit, psychotic husband, you obviously have NO idea what it is like to parent a kid with schizophrenia, nor do I have the time to educate a small-brained individual as yourself.
I happen to be a single parent of a kid diagnosed with bipolar 1 and schizoaffective disorder. The only thing that hasn’t been evident yet is him ‘hearing voices’, which usually classifies one who does as schizphrenic, like Kelly Thomas was.
Take into account that Kelly was a thirty-seven year old man at the time your poorly trained police husband went off and violently MURDERED him!
Once you hit the age of 18, you as parents do not have the control you had prior. Schizophrenics often experience paranoia. You’ve heard the term paranoid schizophrenic.
To give you a better example, go watch the movie, ‘A Beautiful Mind’ starring Russell Crowe as mathemetician genious John Nash.
For your kind and others like you, the only way you could possibly see this from Ron Thomas’ and his family’s perspective is if one of your kids where bludgeoned to death at the hands of law enforcement officers. Perhaps that will be your fate someday.
Perhaps when your kids are out one night having fun, they may have an encounter with a group of rogue cops (like Jay) and get their faces bashed in and possibly die as a result.
Now, imagine if all the above were to come to pass and one of THOSE people (like yourself) said it was “all YOUR fault because YOU failed to care for them.”
How would that feel?
The hospital photo of Kelly Thomas, taken by his dad that night completely demonstrates that officers were ‘out of line’.
Murder victims of white supremacy gangs and Asian Triad gangs (whom are some of the most violent) do NOT do this to their worst enemies.
What your badged-thug of a husband did to Kelly Thomas was animalistic.
Kelly’s face looked worse than the face of that man who was attacked by his pet orangatan a few years back.
In closing Jill, you are an ignorant C U N T !
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Stupid dont you know how to read? Jill is his sister. Bonehead!!
Yes, I did read that she was his sister.
The reason I deliberatley referred to her as his wife was because I knew some idiots like you (and her) would lash back at such a petty typo, as opposed to defending her/your position with facts and logic.
Your kind (and hers) only have the ‘loosing defense’ of it was the victim’s family’s fault.
Failed boy!!! Just like Cicinellis’ defense attorney will…
Yeah whatever typo boy..bs!!
Maybe if that retard had taken his meds like was supposed to he might still be alive. Maybe if his parents gave a shit about him he might be still alive. But no, he stayed off his meds and mommy and daddy couldn’t be bothered with him and then he decided to fight with the cops. Darwinism at its finest.
If those POS administrators would of done a better job things would be better. If fat ass would of talked instead of going on vacation those two scavangers wouldnt of thrown him under the bus bcuz they want to be chief. Now one scavenger is leaving and will now only be known as “the bone” bcuz he fucks around. The other scavenger has a bible in
one hand but a knife behind his back in the other. Go figure when he became patrol captain and set up special details “with his people” to go out and kick ass and take names later the problems arose…..hmmmm, and the third scavengers first order of business when he got promoted was to have an affair with the secretary……Felz get rid of the 3, get an OIR and everything will get better quick
It appears Felz set him as the sacrificial lamb from the start. I heard Felz said no talking about it, and that he (Felz) would handle all press/media. A gag order pretty much. That’s why he never went out & talked.
I might go with you on that, if we can include Ramos, Ciscinelli, and some of the other four cops in the Darwin drop-out list.
Jill is totally correct and Merijoe….you have no idea what you are talking about…
FPD-There are many other people like you – trained to obey at all costs, and trained to believe that the punishment for any sort of mild transgression against the great gods in Blue should be death.
The murder of Kelly Thomas by Jay and company, has nothing to do with Ron Thomas’s work history, or Ron Thomas, period. Those nazi thugs beat him to death for nothing -you slime.
It has everything to do with Ron Thomas. If he would of cared for his son, he would not be roaming the streets looking and smelling like a caveman. He didnt even recognize his picture that shows you he hadnt seen him in six years. Not even his mother wanted him around cause he tried to choke her once and hit his grandfather with a poker. And he was a nice sensitive individual, give me a break also Ron Thomas.
And yet it was the fine six thugs of the FPD who stomped Kelly to death – on purpose. That is the solitary fact that matters.
You fight with cops and resist arrest, bad things are gonna happen.
Then explain that to the judge, buttplug!
My #65 comment was for that Anonymous character; not you Joe.
Really? then what happened in Silly Nelly’s life =why didnt his family recognize this outlandish beahvior…where were they? The Sissy family where were they? Not taking care of Jay-that is for sure…SHAME ON THE SISSYNELLY FAMILY>>>shame on you.
There is nothing wrong with Jay. Didnt you hear all the accolades he received while being an officer. Stop trying to compare him to the out of control skitso Kelly Thomas who was not taken care of by his parents. Shame on you for writing such a stupid comment. You running out of things to say, and its obvious.
Don’t you think it’s hypocritical that you arrest people for tagging, when your more or less doing the same thing here?
Lou Ponsi
The extreme passion on both sides of this issue is understandable. As it is our job to present both sides of issues, we felt it was quite appropriate to give Jay Cicinelli’s stepfather an opportunity to express his sentiments.
Sadism is a family or lack of family issue, Ironic!
Why is it then that you, Lou Ponsi, are always writing the FPD biased articles?
It didn’t surprise me that the article that came out in the Register this past Thursday about April B. who was a non-LEO, but was an employee of FPD who was fired for embezzling was written by someone other that you.
Answer me that ol’ wordy one…
Amazing. There are “two sides” to this killing. Too bad there was a dead body left over or the other “side” could claim Kelly never existed and Fonzi would report it.
My apologies to anyone offended by my four lettered ‘C’ word on my previous letter to Jill.
I was attempting to make a clever acronym.
How ’bout C U Next Tuesday?
I try to keep that one word out of my vernacular, however I still enjoyed your post.
Dont think so hard, you’ll hurt yourself.
shouldnt you be having some sort of car wash for the defense fund…why are you in here? YOU LIKE US HATE SISSYNELLY……
Evolution of Morality
The development of modern morality is a process closely tied to the Sociocultural evolution of different peoples of humanity. Some evolutionary biologists, particularly sociobiologists, believe that morality is a product of evolutionary forces acting at an individual level and also at the group level through group selection (though to what degree this actually occurs is a controversial topic in evolutionary theory). Some sociobiologists contend that the set of behaviors that constitute morality evolved largely because they provided possible survival and/or reproductive benefits (i.e. increased evolutionary success). Humans consequently evolved “pro-social” emotions, such as feelings of empathy or guilt, in response to these moral behaviors…
…Of historical interest in psychology are the theories of psychoanalysts such as Sigmund Freud, who believe that moral development is the product of aspects of the super-ego as guilt-shame avoidance. -Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
This is really getting exciting. Both sides throwing punches already. Just wait until it gets closer to trial. There is gonna be so much mud slinging on all the families and players. You haven’t seen anything yet. Kelly will be drug thru major mud. It’s going to get straight nasty. Will be hard to bring much mud on the cops in court with no priors in their jackets but they will try.
This is going to be fun to watch! Can’t wait!
Exciting! Both sides!- what a sick fak!
Making this kind of “HISTORY”, they already lost.
How do you know there are no priors? Even so, not relevant. A murder is a murder.
Mud is only slinging from one side. Hey look, your hands are all muddy.
Jill Cicinelli is a product of her environment.. aka a WOP or a SOP Wife of a Pig-Sister of a Pig! If she and her family think they are going to smear the Thomas family, they better think again. It’s US against YOU! There are more of US then there are YOU!!! Remember that would ya…
Well when it comes to you, there is certainly more of you than most….you cow.
Ha ha…Erin may be large,but no one is her family..is a murderer…so they eat—and have all their eyes….someone is jealous.
No one is jealous of Erin..Please, thats pretty gross!
Shell, One more thing, I can always lose weight however, they can’t change their family or their nasty personalities. They just be hatin! hahahahaha bring it on PIGS!
If you could lose the weight, you would. But you can’t and thus you are a disgusting fat body. And to make matters worse, you’re an angry, bitchy, cunt-faced bible-thumping hypocrite.
Hahahaha.. Bible thumping.. That’s so funny..I can lose weight.. I love it! Keep typing about me, it only makes me more powerful.. At least I don’t hide who I am. Please allow me the chance for you to tell me all this to my face you filthy cop.
50 bucks says Erin could beat fat Barry and the USS Goodrich in a foot race.
Erin you are a rude, insulting, socially inept, total failure of a human being.
You are simply disgusting.
Dont talk about erin too much she ll call the IA sgt again and complain about people talking about her too much…..too bad she couldnt see the IA sgt hang up the phone and call her a “dumb bitch”
#128 by Anonymous
“No one is jealous of Erin..Please, thats pretty gross!”
You know you are.
#129 by Line Level
“Erin you are a rude, insulting, socially inept, total failure of a human being. You are simply disgusting.”
I love the fact that I have gotten under your skin. Savor it!
#130 by Wambulance
“Dont talk about erin too much she ll call the IA sgt again and complain about people talking about her too much…..too bad she couldnt see the IA sgt hang up the phone and call her a “dumb bitch”
You call me bitch like its a bad thing.
One more thing..
Why You Shouldn’t Call the Police Pigs
Pigs mind their own business, Cops don’t.
Pigs have curly tails, Cops have guns, capsicum gas, boots, fists…
Pigs are very intelligent creatures, Cops have animal cunning, but are basically fucking stupid.
Pigs shit in their stalls, Cops shit on the people.
Pigs grunt when they’re happy — like when they’ve been fed, Cops grunt when they’re happy — like when they’re beating someone up.
Pigs are our friends, Cops are our enemies.
Police — calling them pigs is an insult to pigs
(we recommend you call them filth)
#72 by Lifesaving Service on February 28, 2012
merijoe :
Here’s the prez of PORAC all you coplickers-stand at attention and do your goosestep like good nazi’s and skinheads
http://youtu.be/QKiLY6aonhc
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF EVIL
Stephen A. Diamond, Ph. D.
Hostility, hatred, and violence are the greatest evils we have to contend with today. Evil is now–ever has been, and ever will be–an existential reality, an inescapable fact with which we mortals must reckon. In virtually every culture there has existed some word for evil, a universal, linguistic acknowledgment of the archetypal presence of “something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity…; the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing.”[1] Yet another of Webster’s traditional definitions links the English word evil with all that is “angry… wrathful,… [and] malignant.”[2] The term evil has always been closely associated with anger, rage, and, of course, violence. But today we seem uncomfortable with this antiquated concept. Our discomfort resides largely in the religious and theological implications of evil, based on values, ethics,…
…But, if finally we accept the necessity of discerning between evil and good, who then shall be the crowning connoisseur of good and evil? The individual? The community? The court? The State? The priest, rabbi, or psychotherapist? How can we make constructive, humane use of such categories? To whom shall they apply? And for what purpose?…
http://www.depth-psychotherapy-network.com/Professional_Section/Professional_Articles/The_Psychology_of_Evil_by_Stephen_Diamond/The_Psychology_of_Evil_Diamond.htm
#73 by Lifesaving Service on February 28, 2012
The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.
The CIA goes in.
They place animal informants throughout the forest.
They question all plant and mineral witnesses.
After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist.
The FBI goes in.
After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies.
The rabbit had it coming.
The LAPD goes in.
They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear.
The bear is yelling: “Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!”
#74 by Jaynbond on February 28, 2012
Tony, what are you and Travis and Chris afraid of? We should be able to say anything we want on this blog without your censorship and removal of what you don’t like to read. If you are a good candidate for city council then go for it. If not you can also be removed next time around. That’s the way it works, right?
Marijoe, just keep on with your vile filth. It shows your true personna. No, really, go ahead, nobody cares.
PORAC keep up the good work.
#75 by Fred Alcazar on February 28, 2012
Censorship? You are imaging that nobody deletes posts here, even your half-witted GED rants.
PORAC and good work? Good for union thugs and killers. Bad for everybody else. Good to see who’s supporting the Three Dumbos.
#76 by Tuco Ramirez on February 28, 2012
FPD goes in next and beats a bear into a pulp so you cannot distinguish it from a rabbit then complains that Fullerton people do not support the FPD. Fullerton people do not understand the FPD. Then FPD goes to the forest council and begs them to withhold all information until their broken bones are healed. The council has three octogenarian bears who sniff their snooty noses at the critters in the forest and go along with the FPD because they received nice political contributions.
“If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, and then vote against them, you have no business being up here!” Former Speaker Jesse Unrah, California State Assembly!
-:)
#62 by fullerton lover on March 3, 2012
How ’bout C U Next Tuesday?
I try to keep that one word out of my vernacular, however I still enjoyed your post.
Now THAT was clever. Thank you fullerton lover.
“Savoir-faire
n.
The ability to say or do the right or graceful thing.”
graceful
adj
Definition: agile, charming, lovely
Antonyms: awkward, careless, graceless, inelegant, inept, uncouth, ungraceful, unhandy
“The hospital photo of Kelly Thomas, taken by his dad that night completely demonstrates that officers were ‘out of line’.
Murder victims of white supremacy gangs and Asian Triad gangs (whom are some of the most violent) do NOT do this to their worst enemies.
What your badged-thug of a husband did to Kelly Thomas was animalistic.
Kelly’s face looked worse than the face of that man who was attacked by his pet orangatan a few years back.” -Terminator guy
Its reported that organized crime now tend to move away from violence and murder, “A shopping bag full of cash, just works a whole lot better”. (It seems relevent to this situation)
We have more questions to ask Joe Felz and City Attorney Dick Jones at the March 6th, 2012 Council meeting.
Namely, how can you both claim that Mr. Whitaker is not allowed to see the video, but the step father of the accused officer, Jay Cicinelli is allowed to study the video more than a dozen times? This was reported in the Saturday, March 3rd, 2012 OC Register article written by Lou Ponzi and Greg Hardesty.
We want answers now and we deserve no less!!
Dont you know how to read Barry? How many times does someone have to post it that he can cause he is a family member. Stop stirring the pot and get with it.
And probably was a dirty cop like his stepson.
And they will stare at you and laugh inside and you will never get an answer because everyone laughs at all of you everyday. Nothing you can do about it.
Mr Levinson not a big fan bcuz sometimes it seems like u just want to be on the council but at least your up there asking tough questions. Heres a couple to ask on my behalf;
1~why is acting chief promoting convicted criminals?
2~gennacco report coincidentally released after recall deadline? Officers just intervirwed in the last two wks?
3~why leave/trust 2 civilians working oppossite ends of wk run property dept and last audit in 2007?
4~whens mgmt held accountable for mis management?
Nice questions Berries. It tells a story indeed.
Nice one BK Barry!
Some county workers in California make more in retirement than on the job
By CATHERINE SAILLANT, MALOY MOORE AND DOUG SMITH
Los Angeles Times
Published: March 3, 2012
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/some-county-workers-in-california-make-more-in-retirement-than-on-the-job-1.170525
I can already sense some of the tightest security measures being put in place for this trial.
Lots of overtime for those cops working the court detail during this trial.
@#70, Glad you know what’s REALLY in these cops file? You must be what rank in FPD?
Oh forget that, you fighters for your brothers choose to be anonymous yourselfs, SORRY!!!
Your comments suggest YOU have little time in the courtroom. Maybe because you spend your time making those arrests in your career like Drunk in Public arrests, or warrant arrest that require no court appearance.
Mud slinging in criminal trials is controlled very closely. Too much mud slinging on a DEAD MAN turns the jury off IDIOT!!!!
Your experience is showing pal!!!!!!
Absolutely…
He/she thinks that there will be ‘mud-slinging’ on both sides. (LMAO)
Only his/her side WILL be doing the mud-slinging because that is all they have. FAIL.
Loved that Terminator guy’s post above to Jill BTW.
ACU you are great. You have been a big nothing your whole life. As a cop you were hated, could never promote, thought you always knew everything, and left disgruntled. Now you found a bunch of losers that bow down to your little Weiner. It’s hilarious to watch. You should have sued and come out of the closet as a cop. You could have sued for millions and told the world about all the fraud and deception you speak of. But you know no one would have listened because you have serious mental issues. See ya at the trial.
Didn’t work on iepolitics.com, probably will not work here.
How many times have you changed your screen name in order to get your repeated message across?
I bet more than once.
You keep trying their sonny, if it make you feel good, I’ve heard this before from more than a couple corrupt cops, but ALWAYS from a safe distance.
Stay safe, if your FPD finest, CYA, that’s all you got left. The next step is green and tan.
You’re right, no one would have listened to ACU because you and your buddies all stand together in your THICK BLUE LINE of LIES, SILENCE, COVERUP and SOLIDARIDTY to keep yourselves out of prison and to preserve your jobs and pensions.
That about right..
#70, but if you wanna sling mud, make sure we don’t get to talk about the thiefs, the Rincons, Maters etc you have in your closet.
Turn about is fair play. You haven’t learn that yet in all your years working for a LITTLE PD!!
Some of you FPD cops are dummer than organ grinder monkey’s. SERIOUS, pull the leash and you run around with your hand out, tippin your hat.
No wonder McKinley is so proud of some of you. He was holding the freakin leash.
#70 ?? the numbers change when someone replies above a post.
I see that, better go back to quote button, thanks.
ROFLMAO! Yes….
McKinley thinks they’re SO CUTE!!!
McKinley’s comments as he watched the polecam video:
“Isn’t that cute the way my lower primate Jay is bashing that homeless man’s face in with his taser. Oh, but those ‘knee-drops’ to his nose area shows he paid close attention during training.”
Emotions are HIGH with ALL the families.
I refuse to bash anyone on either side of the coin.
WHY, none of what they say will be part of this trial.
WHY, it’s a given family and friends are biased. Their commentary has little weight in a court of law.
But that doesn’t mean they stop caring for those involved.
I’ll bet anything that if the Deputy DA in charge of prosecuting this case in his opening statements to the jury said something like this, FPD would just go ballistic. BUT it’s true.
Ladies and gentelmen of the jury.
The people intend to prove that Officers Ramos and Cincinelli are guilty of the crimes charged, not only from the evidence we will present, but from the “culture of corruption” from within their department.
It is far from a preceived culture, it can and will be proven, that the conduct of these officers on the night of July 5, 2011 was what happens within their ranks on a routine basis. Criminal activity as we know it.
Officers and employees who steal, officers who arrest citizens under false pretenses, officer who destroy evidence by ripping up their recording devices, officers who sexually molest female prisoners. Officers who have prisoners die in their presence, while in custody.
I think we can all agree these are serious issues if they can be proven. I submit to you members of the jury, THEY already have been proven.
Some of those officers have been prosecuted by this office, others have been terminated from their employment. There are cases pending.
As part of the people’s evidence, we can show you a judicial opinion from a Federal Judge who gave a scathing legal opinion on how the Fullerton Police Department FAILED to handle a officer who in this Deputy DA’s humble opinion, could be classified as a sexual predator.
We can show you law suit settlements that suggest there is a problem within the ranks of FPD also.
All of these incidents ladies and gentlemen, within the last couple of years. I submit that Officers Ramos and Cincinelli were working with these individuals too.
We submit to you that at least two law suits are pending, and have NOT been dismissed by the courts for being frivelious. Those issues involve matter of one’s civil rights.
The defense may attempt to re-direct your attention away from all this, by focusing on Kelly Thomas’s past.
A man’s past filled with mental illness that even members of FPD were aware of, just before events lead up to his death.
They will tell you that Kelly was a criminal, and suggest you set aside the facts of his death, based on that past.
We must remember that Kelly Thomas was suffering from metal illness, Officer’s Ramos and Cincinelli were not, nor were the other members of the Fullerton Police Department when they committed their misdeeds.
The members of the Fullerton Police Department are suppose to be free of metal illness, when they perform their sworn duties. They are also well paid and trained, they are expected to control themselves, in the highest of standards of public service.
They are trained to take people into custody without killing them, especially when they have significant numbers present to do so.
Would you hold Kelly Thomas to such standards, a man with a metal illness that is unquestioned?
YES LET’s SLING some mud.
Its the pretrial of Ramos and Cicinelli, not the FPD. Dont be stupid ACU you are embarassing.
ACU, very well done.
Had you been my family law attorney in my divorce, I wouldn’t have gotten so screwed in my divorce ACU.
That sounded realistic…
It’s amazing what you can remember if you have sat in court for other that arresting a drunk or a party goer involved in a fist fight.
Taking some time to pick the brain of a good attorney now and again.
It’s called discovery. A defendant has the right to all the evidence the prosecution has. What a shocker!! Thought you guys were experts in everything. Maybe Jay will let dimwitaker watch it if ha asks him nice.
Does the defendant have the right to share that same evidence at family gatherings or pot lucks?
FL yes he does if push came to shove. NO LAW what so ever to prevent it. Call foul all you want.
Worse case scenario you might get the finger to pop up from dad.
But I am sure his attorney has instructed him not to show the video like a Disney movie.
Just saying!!!
Thanks for the response ACU! I still think that it stinks that the parents of Kelly Thomas, and the caretakers of our city, have to beg in public to view the tape, and the accused are allowed to show the tape at will without auditing their audience.
It’s just like anything else. Let’s say you or I took video or pics that night. We show everyone. Cops snap pics and video everyday that they share around. This video was put in evidence early for that very reason. To prevent it from being released. Evidence has specific laws regarding release. That’s why no one can release it without Racks approval. A judge won’t ever release evidence either before a case is ended. Get a clue.
That’s a very curious comment considering that so far no judge has even been asked to release anything.
However if the video. was locked up “early on” as you assert, why and how did Dan Hughes watch it 400 times. Is he a liar?
In any case nobody has said anything about “releasing” anything. We talking about an elected city councilman watching the city-owned copy.
No argument from me on that.
But it seems that his attorney did not tell him not to blab at the city council meeting and stick his tongue out at everyone.
Not the specific evidence that is booked in but people have pics of evidence all the time they snap at scenes.
The only problem with that opening statement of ACU’s is that it is highly unlikely our DA T-Rax would speak of his buddies in blue that way.
Remember , he has enabled this police department to arrest citizens under false pretenses, most recently with the Veth Mam false arrest.
Yes wishful thinking indeed. But not beyond the impossible either.
I guess it depends on how much the DA wants to be an advocate for a deceased person who got his ass hammered for felony contempt of cop.
Much like the contempt of cop we see here from some of the trolls.
Here’s another Jill Cicinelli FB posting:
Jill Cicinelli · Works at Cicinelli’s Italian Ristorante – Owner
“NO, I can not because I know more than you and I know my brother and have known him for 40 years. YOU don’t know him at all and YOU don’t know the facts so how can you even entertain the idea that he did???”
It’s surprising no trolls have yet attempted to provIde a sample version of the defense attorney’s opening statement in rebuttal to ACU’s sample above.
Maybe not. They got nothing.
Well WG, you have seen the education level of the trolls. I doubt you will.
One line comments just don’t cut it.
Because ACU plays all of you like a playground bouncy ball. Suckers!!
LOL anonymous, if that were true, it would seem some of you boys in blue should learn how to play yourself.
Just saying!!!!!!!!!!!(insert smile)
Berries:
I am not looking for fans! For the past 2 plus years, I have been trying to educate myself to the inner workings (or not workings) of city government. It has been a good experience watching up close how city government operates!
It is not always a pretty picture but the more of us who get involved the better our chances are to have a better city government in the future.
I care about my family, friends and my community. They know that I am pretty much an open book. What you see is what you get! I have no hidden agendas. I am 59 years young and have no political aspirations except maybe one day getting elected to the council.
You have absolutely no reason to be suspicious of me. But of course you are entitled to your opinion and I would fight to the death to ensure that you keep that right.
Sorry Barry, if I was you. I would go find another City, because the City of Fullerton “SUCKS” . I have lived here for over 30yrs. The only thing that is good here, are a few eateries. And YES I vote.
Yeah Barry listen to cg.
Completely understand and respect your opinion. Meant it half kiddingly that your always at the podium….ask the questions at the next city council mtg and if im wrong or mislead u i’ll buy u dinner for the rest of your life
Just to let you know. I am envolved in what happens to our City and my neighborhood. I met a lot of wonderful residents of Fullerton at a round table meeting. And, yes you caught me, I only watch the City Council meetings on line. But, since you put dinner on the table, I guess I will see you at the next meeting. One dinner will be just fine.
“When police officers learn that they are not above the law or the people that they serve then maybe more people in the community of all races and ages will support them as they do their jobs”
“It is up to the police forces in America to change the reputation which they have purposely or unintentionally created by recognizing the error of their ways when they make condescending remarks to their fellow American citizens.”
This is how I see it. The FPD we know for a fact can beat up sick homeless people, and DTF drunk people. Why can’t they get a few gang members ,taggers , drug dealers under control. It seems they go for easy targets. The FPD can’t ever save a skate park or the park located on Tuslow. I don’t mind paying police officiers what they are worth, but give me a break. We would get better service from rent-ta-cops.
Merijoe,
Where is that Italian restaurant of Cicinelli?
Not to be a patron but to boycott loudly.
I can’t access FB from my CB (Crackberry)
Its a well established eatery. Imperial Valley people love it. People over there wont take your shit. They will laugh at you.
Really lets see who laughin when the state shows up…..O yeah- did I mention my cousin works for the state, yep she inspects restaurants…in the Imperial Valley….who knew that would pan out..laugh..all you want…3 weeks game over….you will get three fold what you put out there…and guess who’s coming to dinner…make sure your staff washes their hands….O your so mine.
@Admin
Im pretty sure, the use of the name Troll is incomplete, cyberstalking or cyberharassment is more accurate. (Under Color and even Political?)
“Cyberbullying vs. cyberstalking
The practice of cyberbullying is not limited to children and, while the behavior is identified by the same definition in adults, the distinction in age groups is sometimes referred to as cyberstalking or cyberharassment when perpetrated by adults toward adults, sometimes directed on the basis of sex. Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are to vandalize a search engine or encyclopedia, to threaten a victim’s earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. A repeated pattern of such actions against a target by an adult constitutes cyberstalking.” -Wikipedia
“CyberAngels has written about how to identify cyberstalking:
When identifying cyberstalking “in the field,” and particularly when considering whether to report it to any kind of legal authority, the following features or combination of features can be considered to characterize a true stalking situation: malice, premeditation, repetition, distress, obsession, vendetta, no legitimate purpose, personally directed, disregarded warnings to stop, harassment, and threats.[4]
A number of key factors have been identified:
False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them. They post false information about them on websites. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.[5]
Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim’s friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. They may advertise for information on the Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the victim’s online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims. [6]
Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim’s name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit.
False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.
Attacks on data and equipment. They may try to damage the victim’s computer by sending viruses.
Ordering goods and services. They order items or subscribe to magazines in the victim’s name. These often involve subscriptions to pornography or ordering sex toys then having them delivered to the victim’s workplace.
Arranging to meet. Young people face a particularly high risk of having cyberstalkers try to set up meetings between them…
Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group of individuals, or an organization. It may include false accusations, monitoring, making threats, identity theft, damage to data or equipment, the solicitation of minors for sex, or gathering information in order to harass. The definition of “harassment” must meet the criterion that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress.[1] Cyberstalking is different from spatial or offline stalking. However, it sometimes leads to it, or is accompanied by it.”
-Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking
Sounds like Kellys Army, I mean platoon.
“Another Black Eye?”
Cyber harassment and cyber stalking are often used synonymously to describe the actions of persons who relentlessly pursue others online with the intention of frightening or embarrassing the victim. Sometimes a harasser intends to teach the victim a lesson or solicit information from the victim, and stalkers generally want revenge or attention. Laws against cyber harassment vary depending on the country, and victims should report their case to local authorities. To prevent crimes from occurring, it is important for everyone to protect their identity while on the Internet.
There is no universal legal definition of cyber harassment, but it typically is defined as repeated, unsolicited, threatening behavior by a person or group using mobile or Internet technology with the intent to bother, terrify, intimidate, humiliate, threaten, harass or stalk someone else. The harassment can take place in any electronic environment where communication with others is possible, such as on social networking sites, on message boards, in chat rooms or through email. Posting a general opinion on a discussion board or in a forum is not considered cyber harassment. -wisegeek.com
A cyber harasser often will post comments to the victim that are intended to cause distress and will try to incite others to do the same. The harasser might break into the victim’s accounts and send numerous obscene or hurtful emails and instant messages to the victim’s significant other, family, friends, coworkers and boss. A harasser might even hack into the victim’s computer and take over his or her accounts, change passwords or sign up the victim for things such as pornographic websites and spam. The harasser might set up websites using digitally manipulated, sexual images of the victim or send those images to amateur pornographic websites.
Laws protecting citizens from cyber harassment can vary from place to place and country to country.
Persons who feel they have been victimized should begin to document and collect all harassing messages, postings and other activities. If there is any indication that a perpetrator knows where the victim lives or works or how to find them offline, the victim should contact the local authorities immediately. In some instances, the authorities can track the harasser through an Internet Service Provider and issue a restraining order against the stalker. Victims who cannot file criminal charges against an offender might attempt to file a civil suit, have accounts revoked and have damaging websites shut down. -wisegeek.com
“contact local authorities” ,LOL… LOL… … LOL
“Africanized F.P.D.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africanized_bee
Do you all really think it is Jill or Jay who started the facebook page? I’m not on facebook anymore so I can’t see it to look through all the comments. But why would s/he let people whom are not friends post on their wall? Would any of you? I don’t think so. It’s all a game and you are playing it by their rules. I say stop feeding the troll.
I don’t know myself, but I WOULD steer clear of messing with anyones family or business as it relates to this incident.
One can become “disgruntled” quickly under such circumstances and “shit happens” when you cross that line.
Just my thoughts.
Verily Verily
X 10!!
If you look at the OC REGISTER comments, many many, of the commenters are bogus Facebook people. Zero in the profile except their posting, security settings are fully open.
She let me post.
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” Ax Merijoe There are many other people like you, Jill and Jay and Stepdad – trained to believe that the punishment for any sort of mild transgression against the great gods in Blue should be death.
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Jane Susanna Wow! Jill, can you not even entertain the idea that your brother went too far?
22 hours ago · Like · 2
Jill Cicinelli Jane Susanna NO, I can not because I know more than you and I know my brother and have known him for 40 years. YOU don’t know him at all and YOU don’t know the facts so how can you even entertain the idea that he did???
14 hours ago · Like”
To the families of Kelly Thomas, Jay Cicinelli and Manual Ramos.
This series of comments is one of the most difficult things I have ever forced myself to read in my life. In fact, I couldn’t finish. I try to not waste time attempting to convince the masses to change their collective behavior, but I will make an appeal to you, the individual family members of both sides of what has truly become a war of words designed to wound the innocent loved ones of those involved on either side. Please individually consider stopping. Don’t worry about whether others stop. You stop. When words cease to have any productive or educational value other than to hurt innocent people, you are simply being unkind. Sometimes collateral damage cannot be avoided in righting a wrong, but in my opinion this exchange between family members and their supporters no longer qualifies. Unlike a war with guns, this war of words against family ends the moment the other side walks away.
To the bloggers on the side of wanting to see change in government. Seriously? Do you really need to start name-calling extended family in order to make a point about how ridiculous it is that the council is restricted from viewing the video when a judge has not ordered that the defense cannot share it? Maybe the rhetoric could be raised just a touch. I do not trust the system either and I think the existence of this blog is absolutely necessary to ensure that government cannot operate in the self-serving vacuum that it ALWAYS gravitates toward in the absence of a free press. And, this blog is the only form of free press doing its job. But I have to tell you, I look upon the word choices of some of you and I could not be more disgusted if you walked up to a child and just smacked them across the face. Which, incidentally, there ARE totally innocent children dramatically and tragically affected by your carelessness. If you do not personally take care to not unnecessarily add to their pain in your efforts to right a wrong, you are being abusive.
To the bloggers who support the police under virtually any circumstances. I understand that your mission is to discredit this blog and its’ contributors in general. Fine. Have at it. But do YOU not even recall that your associates have children? Are you too blind to see when the conversation has shifted to the point where they are going to pay the price for your reckless efforts to defeat that which grows as a direct result of your efforts? Namely, this blog.
To myself. Check that mirror very carefully.
I concur for the most part. Attacking the families is unacceptable.
I agree with Chris.
Great message Chris!
Humbling for all; at least me.
I’m sure there is a thesis out there describing this very phenomenon on the internet: Blogs.
It’s a brave new world. I feel optimistic that it’s to all our benefit, even while we work out the kinks.
Threats, Threats. Bring it on milary reject. Love that Fetuccini Alfredo.
Mr. Assemblyman, If you are reading this… You have a person who claims to be an ex military personnel threating a business. Wow, that sounds pretty serious. I hope you can track down who she is. She wouldnt be hard to find. She always speaks her trash at the Fullerton Council meetings.
Hahahahaha, you think Shell is an ex-military personnel? You should do your homework before you make such accusations.
Ok maybe not military, but she is making threats and she should be seeked out. I hope jay’s family take notice cause if something happens, I will be the first calling the Cicnelli’s and giving them all the info.
winning. call the sissynellys……ask them about the ax weilding man…yeah if you will lie about the dead mentally homless guy your family member killed…it says you will do just about anything…guess what you met your match- I play by your rules, and your shady handbook…not liking it…maybe I used to work for your lawyer and know all his lies,schemes, maybe I had lunch with his ex disgruntled secretary….just know the truth always wins….Im telling you Im FOLLOWING your lawyers play book…now it just got interesting didnt it?
Shell..I dont know what the hell you are talking about. If you want to smear dirty laundry on the cicinelli’s go ahead. I an a regular citizen who thinks you are a piece of shit for threating the family business. I had you confused with another one of Kelly’s platoon, but I know who exactly you are now. And it wouldnot be hard to find you if things go south..if you know what I mean.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/barnett-342715-trial-case.html
No technically you guys are trespassing, over and over and over, persistence is the def of Cyberstalking and Cyberharrasment.
…and they want respect? Pffffft!
I’ve heard those same accolades as a parent, however if the day ever comes that I start repeatedly using the butt of my Taser on my childrens face like I’m hammering nails, I would hope that you and the rest of society would then refer to me as a scumbag never to be trusted again.
Well if one of your kids ever becomes a cop and they have to restran an out of control bum, maybe you will undetstand.
Maybe someday YOU will understand that cops do NOT have the right to knee drop twice on the face and throat of an unconscious man, thereby crushing his throat and face. Maybe YOU will understand that cops also don’t have the right to brutally smash in a man’s face and nose eight times with the butt end of a Taser, thereby causing massive bleeding, choking, and suffocation, after the man is already non-responsive and unconscious. Maybe someday, YOU will understand that the cops don’t have the right to verbally intimidate and physically threaten a person with bodily harm to the point where that person is afraid for his life and is forced to run and to defend himself. Perhaps someday, YOU will understand that six cops don’t have the right to pile on top of a man and crush his thorax and suffocate him to death while that man is screaming for his life, for mercy and for his dad and God to help him. Maybe, someday YOU will understand that abuse, brutality and murder is not acceptable when committed by those who are SWORN to SERVE and PROTECT the public. Maybe, someday, you will understand mental illness. Maybe, someday, you will understand that there is a difference between right and WRONG.
Effective means to subdue a suspect include pepper spray, choke holds, handcuffs, tasers-not to the heart, and not bludgeoning the skull and knee dropping the throat martial arts style. The blood lust is off the charts on this one. I didn’t just fall off of the turnip truck pal. Its done all day long all over the country where the suspects come into custody ALIVE. They are supposed to be brought in for charges not in for embalming. At the rate we are going the kids wont be law enforcement officers. They will probably have the option of becoming the brownshirt likes of some blackawter mercenary force that you are already merging with right now that thinks the roman numerals on the Supreme Court doors refer to a football score.
More than likely my kids will have to protect themselves from an out of control cop.
http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com
Lol. In DTF? Yup. I’d take my chances with the bums!
Thats not what I asked you..Never mind.You are corrupt.
Fullerton Lover do we have to wait or can we refer to you as a scumbag now? Never to be trusted again!
If you knew me you’d know that I was raised to wholeheartedly believe in the power of love to conquer evil.
I know you FL. You are a very kind person. Always smiling and happy. The FILTH that has infiltrated this blog haven’t a clue.
That why we have to maintain constant love for each other, and not give into hate’s constant need for attention.
Why shouldn’t the stepfather see it if Ron Thomas has seen it? What is the difference?
Why shouldn’t bruce whittaker see it if the stepfather has seen it? What is the difference?
Shel is not hard to find at all. She is very approachable. So Doug “The Tag” come on over and talk to us. That sounds like such a kick.
Go south? lmao, who says that? I will be at city council, come talk to me, I like you dont hide behind Anonymous….everyone going to city council if Anon is looking for me please send them my way…PS- regame at the crows nest-
Anonymous :Shell..I dont know what the hell you are talking about. If you want to smear dirty laundry on the cicinelli’s go ahead. I an a regular citizen who thinks you are a piece of shit for threating the family business. I had you confused with another one of Kelly’s platoon, but I know who exactly you are now. And it wouldnot be hard to find you if things go south..if you know what I mean.
That sounds like a threat to me-dirtbag, not a hair on this person’s head better be touched by anyone of you nazi’s, anonymous, not a hair.
And that’s not a threat.
When this is over, I WILL talk to you..I am not going to stoop to your level right now.
Please please please, pick me to talk to also. Pffft! LOSER! You are not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya?
Might want to try talking WITH Shell and not TO Shell. It makes a huge difference. Kind of like the paradigm shift that occurs when you ask some “will you” as opposed to telling them “you will”
The step father can see, it- his son’s lawyer allowed him that, I have zero issue with him seeing it, but as a TAX payer, of this city and the tape is CITY owned property,and they wont allow me or certain city council members that viewing. So, in my world, I pay for that tape, I paid for the camera I pay for the dispatcher to zoom in and out…all me ( citizens)..So, I guess my beef is, that the perp, who did the murdering gets to view the video, rewrite his report- to his fancy, and then he gets to allow snuff film viewing from family members..really? No, then come from El centro, and have the audacity to come to the city where the murder took place , and mock me, the city of fullerton and every good LEO…by saying your son the perp, is really a good guy you saw the tape..what world does the perp get the evidence,to view and we dont, the ones who paid for it- but the Huelsman’s get to comment, see the difference? Have you seen Ron come out and talk about the tape? Did Ron drive to El centro and go to their city council meeting where his son killed a homeless guy and say…get over it, my son was great…didnt think so? See the difference? One is a victim,one is the person committing the murder.
The judges had no problem last year letting the public see the interviews of Stephanie Lazarus, the LAPD detective on trial for murdering her boyfriend’s wife 25 years ago. And those videos are quite damning.
I request that the admin of this site give Shell the IP information of this coward. This is for her own protection.
Its ok for Schmell to threat huh? You are such a hillbilly idiot. Mine you own damn(to put it nicely) business.
I will mind my own business when your ass is in jail for threatening Shell.
She would be right next to me, because she started the threats first and its all documented.
lmao…….really who started out saying smelly homless man? who started the ax weilding madman…well your side did,never ever did I say beat the crap outof you, nor did I tell any of my badged wearing minions to do so either…so threat- I stated..to go to a restaurant, and eat- if you see someone not doing a healthy thing, report it, I never said hunt you down, if things in my crazy world go wrong your gonna pay for it, now did I…nope..so keep it up…my sissynelly signs are drying, yep- you think you know me, yeah you have seen me, but my big family, and freinds from birth- say threatening me aint such a good idea, its against the law….again you have proven either your a dirty cop or a dirty cop wanna be family member either way I never ever threatened you…but you did me…keep it up- its fun- we laugh, and go back to work…just so you know the guy in upper management says your the sad sack ex cop that lives alone next door to him and inquires about russian brides…..there is 4 bux riding on this….mind your own business…now that is funny.
Erin- this cracks me up..Im the evil one, many of my family members own restaurants, they are all A’s, they do their business, correct-so if you doing legit business, who cares-right? So, i am asking the public – if you see something-say something…its not like I went out and killed a homeless guy…..dope but they did- so yep Im the evil one….goes south? that is funny.
Shell, If Ramos thought Kelly was such a threat, why did he not hand cuff him? Seem to me, he never regarded him as. I have seen people get cuffed just because the cops have small have syndrome.
If Kelly would of let himself get handcuffed he would be alive today. But he decided to fight with cops. Like the retired cop said at the council meeting, we are trained to take someone in custody no matter what it takes.
Correction “Seem to me, he never regarded him as such. I have seen people get cuffed just because the cops have small man syndrome.”
According to this statement by Anonymous above: You are such a hillbilly idiot. Mine you own damn(to put it nicely) business.
Although a somewhat understandable typo, ‘mine you own damn business’ shows she’s a living, breathing oxymoron.
How’s that for the pot calling the kettle black?
through the course of this blog “farm guy” you had you typos in the past. So you stop calling the kettle black.
Yeah, it’s really funny how you pick and choose your choice of words. Whenever YOU people talk its acceptable, but when somone else trys to say anything to the contrary its not accepted. It’s all one sided with you. All of you have no clue. Even admin blocks the comments he doesnt want to show. Pathetic!!
I think I see another problem with your communication skills. You refer to others as “YOU” people, which suggests that you may have a lot of prejudice residing within which is short circuiting your ability to love.
I read it on his fb page, so I believe it is you that needs to check the facts.
I personally have difficulty believing that this officer had passes a psychiatric evaluation where PTSD was not diagnosed before employment, and would love to see the paperwork that shows that he did.