The Jaw Dropping Cost of the Fullerton Police Department
When you’re getting top-notch service you might not be inclined to quibble much about the price. But if you’re being provided law enforcement services from an organization that has employed perverts, perjurers, thugs, con men, pickpockets, and killers; and that has, and will ring up millions more in costly civil lawsuit judgments and settlements, you may not be inclined to feel so charitable.
Here are some interesting facts on the per capita cost of law enforcement services from some surrounding towns. The formula is pretty simple: take the total 2011-12 budgeted cost for the cops (lock stock and gun barrel), and divide by the number of people in the city based on the 2010 US Census data. The results are interesting.
The 60,000 citizens of the City of La Habra pay $15,000,000 for their police force, and that equates to $250 per capita. In Placentia the 50,500 inhabitants budgeted just over $11,000,000 for their cops for a figure of $219, per capita. The City of Yorba Linda pays the Brea PD $11.3 million to police its mean streets at about $176, per capita. The Orange County Sheriff’s Department has just submitted a proposal to do the basic job for $9.6 million, or just under $150 per person.
In Fullerton the budgeted cost of the Police Department for 2011-12 is $37,259,455. For the $135,161 people of Fullerton that equates to $276, each.
Why does the Fullerton Police Department cost so much more than surrounding jurisdictions with smaller departments, and hence with less opportunity for economies to scale? Well, there’s a jail to operate, I guess. Other that I haven’t got a clue. You’ll have to ask Jones, or Bankhead, or McKinley or maybe one of their supporters. They must know. After all they are boasting about their support from the law enforcement union.
That’s a lot of perks!
The last few years are gonna be a lot more expensive. Not sure but around 6 Civil Lawsuits pending, and more always popping up.
The importance of police unions can not be understated. The FPOA plays an important part of your community.
I live in Irvine, and we are among the safest cities in the world. In fact, my biggest complaint is barking dogs. THATS BECAUSE OUR POLICE UNION IS STRONG.
Our officers know that the danger they face on a daily basis is cause for solid retirement in line with the inventors of the IPAD and telivion actors. Just last week our crack police squad responded to a wallett theft, an accident where my neighbors jeep grand cherokee sustained nearly $1,200. in damage.
It takes a certain kind of public servant to respond these varied emergencies. Thats why officers need to band together and fight for thier rights. It is the COMMUNITIES responsibility to care for our public employees.
My co-blogger constantly faces the abuse of difacult managers at the county. He is constantly berated for coming in late from his two hour lunches and his breaks, which typically last 30-40 minutes twice a day. He is going to be faced with only making $100,000. per year for the rest of his life. Of course, he’ll get FREE HEALTHCARE TOO.
But Fullerton should embrace it’s public employees and direct it’s efforts at something more important, like the cold feet of the homeless. That after all is the biggest issue with those people (we don’t have them in Irvine, we bus them to Santa Ana). It’s not medicine, it’s cold feet.
UNION STRONG IS FULLERTON STRONG!
Just look at the Press and Media Coverage of the FPD, and WAKE UP. THIS IS NOT IRVINE!!!
“Government of People, by the People, for the People” -Gettysburg Address
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Democrats are the party of Slavery in Americas past, they are also a major reason why America needed the Civil Rights movement against their policies.
Its Ironic how they are the supposedly the Champions for the masses, and oppressed. Limo Liberals and RINOs are corrupt or fools.
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#89 by Lifesaving Service on March 27, 2012
Public Labor Unions and Violence and Lou Ponsi!!
Morgan O. Reynolds
Unions and Violence
February 1983 •
The economist’s special insight into union violence rests on the theory of monopoly, more properly, cartel theory, as well as the general notion that people respond to incentives. In economic terms, a trade union is a combination of sellers of labor services who individually have little or no control over the labor market but who seek to control the market through collective action. Unionists have never concealed their ambitions because they often have announced that their purpose was to “take competition out of wages” or to “take wages out of competition.”
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/unions-and-violence/
#90 by Lifesaving Service on March 27, 2012
Same link as above
Violence also shows the incomplete power of unions because other organized producer groups like the American Medical Association, tree-pruners, cosmeticians, and so on, do not have to rely on strikes and private intimidation. Instead, they have licensing laws. In the event of encroachments on their market, they merely telephone the government for a policeman to restrain new entrants. If unions relied more directly on the public police force to restrain trade on behalf of worker cartels, the hoodlums and other specialists in violence would be less valuable to union officials. Unions then would look somewhat more respectable and less dependent on “undesirable” elements.
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/unions-and-violence/
Lifesaving Service, Carolyn or whatever your name is please f*ck off. I’m sick of you spamming and respamming your disjointed rambling posts here.
I found this, additional interesting stats for fullerton po-po dept
http://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=7452
Thanks for that link merijoe, that showsthat for the 213 employees, the 2011-2012 average salary and benefits equal to $149,017. Wow, thats hard to believe when one would think the majority would be beat cops.
There needs to be an overhaul of all publicly paid benefits, because the current programs are unsustainable pretty much across the board. If people receiving benefits want to watch municipalities go bankrupt instead of compromising, that’s sad, instead they pay millions to unions who pay millions to get taxes passed to cover benefits that should be lowered to a manageable amount.
When asked why it costs so much to run a police department the standard answer is they have to be ‘competitive’ to attract the best and the brightest. So they have to pay GED’s, HS grads and AA degree holders more than family practice physcians. Next time El Heffe from Fullerton PD has a question and answer forum someone should fire that question at him. “Why does your department cost our citizens signiicantly higher per capita rates relative to other OC cities?” If he comes back with “the best and brightest” response laugh him off the podium.
You can save quite a bit of money, if you get rid of half the brass in FPD that is sucking up high saleries and benefits.
That would include other city PD’s, not just Fullerton. I mean give me a break, a Chief and 3 Captains, plus all the Lieutenants and Sergeants. Ridiculous!!!
YES having the jail will definately add to the overall expense. Food, staffing, maintenance etc.
If the Sheriff’s office were running Fullerton it would have 1 Captain (Chief) and 2 Lt’s and say a dozen Sergeants.
But if you don’t like the Sheriff’s office, get rid of half the brass at FPD and save money.
That simple. Top heavy departments should now become a thing of the past.
“get rid of half the brass at FPD and save money.”
Yes, and they know that once those positions are removed from the civil service list, they are difficult to reinstate.
Not to mention their own personal shooting range.
No, the Sheriff would have a lieutenant in charge. Lieutenant Goodbar could arm wrestle the OCSD spokesman for his job!
OCSD could save over ten million bucks a year.
Ask Lt. Goodrich, hahahahahahaaha
Andrew Goodrich’s first musings on
“How to manipulate/bastardize the local political process to tip the scales behind the scenes in the FPOA’s financial favor, and “F” the residents of Fullerton”
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/peer-into-the-thought-process-of-the-fpoa/
That’s OK, I’m sure all of the taxes paid by the bars will cover those costs, NOT!
Thanks, admin! As always FFFF supplies the facts, not the fiction spouted by the Three Dead Stumps and their rotund spokeshole.
I think Fullerton may very well have the most expensive police force in OC. What makes it even worse is the inexplicable presence of all those aliens:
Cross
Rincon
Power
Mejia
Mater
Siliceo
Hampton
Kirk
Thayer
Tong
Nguyen
Baughman
Goodrich
Sellers
Gee, those guys are expensive. Where can we get a refund?
Damn. I forgot:
Wolfe
Ramos
Cicinelli
Blatney
Hampton (again)
Craig
Nice list. But don’t forget all the lackeys and cronies. that looked the other way, aided, and abetted.
so that comes to 213 of em
You forgot Ricon’s partner Wren who also got into some trouble of his own out in the 909. When is that coming out?
The ten people on this blog is not going to change the police department. Good luck!
I hear Fullerton is considering going together with Brea, Placentia and La Habra, and combining the police departments. That would probably save everyone money.
you’re wrong about the 10 Doe. it’s 5 of the people on this blog that are going to change the FPD and those would be all 5 of the future City Council.
It’s not only in Fullerton, it happens everywhere.
Hey RI..Tony took out the article you posted. What a crack up. He wants everyone to think Fullerton is the only bad city.
Apologists are even more EVIL than the possesed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism
Why did slaveholders and their apologists portray slavery as they did?
They portrayed slavery as a benign and paternal institution in which slave owners saw their main mission as civilizing Negroes.
….riiiight.
Yes, that’s it. He wants us all to think that.
And since he’s really Batman, he possesses powers like mind control.
Yeah that is why he took the article Reality Is posted. Brainwash all of you!!
Yes, we are all brainwashed-can’t, think, for, self.
Chip has been implanted in my brain. Controlled remotely.
John doe, have you seen my abs? hard as a rock bro.
As hard as your calcified organs from all the whey protein isolate and steroids. Good luck.
Touched them too!
As someone guessed. Crypto-gay.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Batman doesn’t possess the power of mind control.
He has it. He also knows all.
🙂
I have to say that number is pretty shocking, especially given the number of crimes, arrests, lawsuits, worker comp claims, etc.
I used to be a big supporter of our PD, but now I’m really leaning to another solution. The department just went right off the tracks somewhere. I think McKinley was asleep as downtown Fullerton got out of control. Thugs were hired to police other thugs.
How do crime stats stack up per capita? Arrests, cases solved per capita?
All the top brass and retired brass, including McSatan, are very resposible for all their extreme crimes.
Doc HeeHaw too.
I really dont like what Felz represents either.
Was Groodich appointed to Lieutenant?
you forgot Major
Please watch city planning commission view on the down town problem. How 58 bars effect our police, our city. Did you know that our police dept demands that every security person in the downtown bars, has to take a course from the FPD, at our expense, take officers off the line of duty to train personal business owners lackeys,who make a killing at our expense, and that of our officers. Imagine Fullertonians, on a saturday night the 20 patrol cars out in force,9 are in the bar area- with in 4 blocks……half of our police force is downtown monitoring the illegal behavior that errupts from you guessed it-the bars. Have you ever tried to call the pd on a saturday night? I hope none of has to..we are left to fend for ourselves.
You, comfortable paying private bars security training? How about paying a disability claim, for an officer that was hit with a bottle, from a bar patron and possibly a brain injury? You wanna pay for a private security firm ( the pd) for the folks, that own the slidebar? Florentines? Were doing it now…FREAKING RECALL.. Just sayin.
10 people, what about the close to what 18 thousand people in this city that think its leadership sucks in the pd and city council- the whole recall thing, ring a bell?…the ten in here – that blog, aint the people you gotta worry about,its the 17,990, that dont blog in here they think you and your kind are fools…I wouldnt underestimate the people of Fulerton.
Don’t forget the other 122,110 that will wake up when the video gets out as well as the hundreds of millions worldwide. Maybe northern Idaho would be a good permanent vacation home for some of them now.
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When Tony Baloney is appointed King of Fullerton, Stanton will be his blueprint. The Sheriff does a bang up job there.
With all the illegal Aliens stuffed into Bushala slums. The population of Fullerton is more like 150k.
And the FPD allows for Fullerton to be a sanctuary city.
Yea Tony is quick on the trigger. I even posted OMalleys number for people to call and he deleted that too. Oh well.
Come out to the walkathon on 4/21-only 25.00 until 4/10 then 35.00 after that date…..
This is your chance to meet some of the candidates they will be there waiting to meet you, answer your questions and debate a few issues. Also, heres a chance to win a Fender guitar while eating a hot dog lunch in the park. Nice way to spend a Saturday.
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You just admitted Fullerton, is bad. O for the love of pete…we agree on something..
Hilarious! John doe, aka failosaurus rex
I just repeated what all you nerds say. I love Fullerton, good or bad.
NO I have not shared an office with a Captain in my time. YES there is alot of administrative paperwork to handle. Alot of the admin stuff is self created. Dog and pony studies for the local politicians.
I would agree with your argument BUT, when you look at stations run by a Sheriff’s Department of similiar size, YOU have no support for your argument.
Someone hear said that if OCSD was running Fullerton, a Lieutenant would be assigned into the position as Chief. Ok!!!
I worked a contract city more than a few times. The norm was a Captain and one or two Lieutenants with an admin Sergeant running the show.
Even though I didn’t share an office with them, it clearly appeared the ship was running along at full steam.
Good cops DO NOT need a supervisor holding their hand and looking over their shoulder.
Many times I’d see these people hanging out with the troops, or actually in the field playing cop from time to time.
And my friends who did work admin assignments told me the bosses had plenty of free time to do whatever during the work day. Some days after a couple of hours of shuffling paperwork they spent the rest of the day getting in everyone else’s way.
God forbid if Captains or above had to work up a sweat from sitting at their desk shuffling paperwork all day. Hmm $125k plus a year, WE would not want the to be worked to hard, they might stress out and retire.
But if you have a good crew of troops working for you, your problems as a supervisor are FEWER.
It’s appears that some of the troops at FPD are keeping many busy these days.
So with all the supervision at FPD and all the problems popping up, it clearly appears all that supervision is failing.
And again you fail to tell everyone that many supervisors DELEGATE their work to others. And those below them will simply keep quiet, get the work done, so they will be considered worthy of promotion at somepoint.
But let’s use just ONE example of a clear failure of supervision in a top heavy department!!!!
KELLY THOMAS!!!!
All those supervisors who could not put their heads together and come up with a solution to avoid this scandal. Many others as we know.
With that many supervisors it MIGHT be fair to say, the right hand is not telling the left hand what is going on.
OR everyone has their own agenda in mind and it simply becomes a cluster f$$k everytime something happens.
“And again you fail to tell everyone that many supervisors DELEGATE their work to others. And those below them will simply keep quiet, get the work done, so they will be considered worthy of promotion at some point.”
Civil service at it’s finest with the Peter Principle as its guiding force.
Yea makes sense. I’ve been on both ends and I remember when I was on the bottom and thought the same thing. That those people don’t do anything up there and they are a waste. Now that I see it firsthand they are never caught up.
You say the Sheriffs substations. Interesting comparison. I just wonder what you would find if you compared population, miles, and personnel. Having a Chief, 2 Captains, and 6 LTs would be like the Sheriffs having a Captain, 2 LTs, and 6 Sergeants in the inside admin spots. I imagine it’s similar where the Sgts are the Watch Commanders and then all the additional Sgts for the field teams. It all lays out almost identical. Pay for a Chief vs Captain probably has a 20% variance. But LASO or OCSD isn’t going to come in and offer to police a city with 50% less personnel. There old MO was to offer up about 75% less personnel to give the awareness of millions of dollars in savings and then 5 years later they jack it up with details and personnel where it edds up more expensive than the PD before. At that point it’s too late to go back to their own PD. Compton.
Anyways, always fun comparing numbers and ideas.
Well again RI, some of those folks from the city and SO are crooks, or have a political agenda few might see.
All I can tell you is that too many supervisors are just a PITA and create more problems than they solve in major incidents.
Despite their perceived VAST versus real experience they get in the way to often.
But you can slice the cake anyway you want. But I’d quite using Fullerton as a basis to argue all this in light of many compelling events.
Yea makes sense. I’ve been on both ends and I remember when I was on the bottom and thought the same thing. That those people don’t do anything up there and they are a waste. Now that I see it firsthand they are never caught up.
You say the Sheriffs substations. Interesting comparison. I just wonder what you would find if you compared population, miles, and personnel. Having a Chief, 2 Captains, and 6 LTs would be like the Sheriffs having a Captain, 2 LTs, and 6 Sergeants in the inside admin spots. I imagine it’s similar where the Sgts are the Watch Commanders and then all the additional Sgts for the field teams. It all lays out almost identical. Pay for a Chief vs Captain probably has a 20% variance. But LASO or OCSD isn’t going to come in and offer to police a city with 50% less personnel. There old MO was to offer up about 75% less personnel to give the awareness of millions of dollars in savings and then 5 years later they jack it up with details and personnel where it edds up more expensive than the PD before. At that point it’s too late to go back to their own PD. Compton.
Anyways, always fun comparing numbers and ideas. 🙂
Yes I believe the FPD really f%$#ked up royally with the Kelly Thomas incident. They had never had to deal with something like that. They obviously didnt know what to do.
ACU what city are you talking about they can handle running a city with a chief and one captain or two lieutenants. Are you referring to Mayberry RFD. You got to be kidding you are really living in the dark ages. Tell me a city like the size of Fullerton that has that kind of staffing. I bet you cant find one in California.
“…with something like that.”
With something like WHAT…. an unarmed, homeless man, sitting on a bench? I guess the FPD is even more unexperienced than I realized.
This is in response to John Doe’s comment above
Right. Inexperienced, overweight, mean, and charging you $276 a year, per person.
A family of four pays over a grand a year for Cicinelli, Ramos, Wolfe & Co.
JC, what are you talking about??
This is in response to JC.
I think we should rename the FPD building to the “Fullerton Police Dept., Kelly Thomas Memorial Building”….so they NEVER forget what they did …and so they never forget the public whom they are sworn to serve and protect. And, Kelly’s “before and after” photos should be framed on the wall in the foyer. There should also be a large statue/plaque of Kelly Thomas on the front lawn or in the courtyard.
So how much money have you spend on the homeless…ridiculous. I know a few kids in Fullerton that go to bed hungry. I think insanity runs in the family.
I know a family that wishes their son was still alive and others who are physically and psychologically scarred to this day and always will be, courtesy of the tax paid gods in blue who tortured and hurt them all because there was nothing around for them to have fun with that day.
Talk about ridiculous…how much money has been spent on salaries and pensions etc. to these mental patients with badges?
Why dont we just name it “Homeless Town USA”, cause that is what it is now. Everytime you turn around there some smelly dirty guy coming up to ask for money.
Yeah, its their choice to be homeless, but why should the citizens of Fullerton support them. Other cities dont put up with it. Fullerton has lost its backbone. They are afraid to spit in public.
Why don’t you, yourself, become the spokeshole/PIO for that worthy cause?-help the city you say you love. You can do it, you have alot of hate in your heart.
Sounds like Fullerton and it’s citizens needs you to speak out on their behalf.
What I have is alot of love for this city. The hate comes from you!
You only love yourself; you’re a narcissistic sociopath. (Look it up.)
JFA. Is it ok to be a narcissistic sociopath if you are happy, love life, and everything is great?
Ofcourse it is. It just means that you “lack insight” into your illness. You are blissfully unaware of sick you are.
Makes sense. But all mentally ill people think they are normal or don’t need help right? And everybody has some small bits of mental illness in them right?
Naricissism isn’t a mental illness its a moral sickness
Oh I see. I thought it was part mental.
RI, No, not all. Sometimes, people do gain insight after therapy, or after being stabilized on the correct meds, or after being in the hospital a few times, etc. Each person is different, and the different illnesses affect each person just a bit differently. That’s why there is no such thing as, “one medication that fits all.” These diseases and those who suffer from them are on a continuum; the patients can be very low functioning even when on meds, or very high functioning when on meds, or somewhere in between the two.
The patient may be on meds for awhile…then begin to feel better,.. then he may think that he no longer needs to take any meds, thinking that he is cured.
Then,…if he is off his meds for awhile, or if his meds stop working, (when the meds no longer work, he may need to have his meds adjusted).
Sometimes, a psychiatrist will try to change a person’s meds, trying to get a better result for the patient, and then if the “new” meds don’t have the desired results.. the Dr. may try to put the patient back on their “old” meds again. However, often it happens that when they try to go back to their “old” meds, the “old” meds will now no longer work as well as they did previously!
Anyway, when the person is not stable on meds, he often, once again, lapses back into the same situation of “lack of insight.” When he suffers from a “lack of insight,” he does not believe that he needs to take meds, (since he doesn’t understand that he is ill). After all, would you want to take meds that cause miserable side effects, if you didn’t even believe that there was anything wrong with you? No. This is often a lifelong situation that must be constantly monitored for early signs of relapse or changes in condition.
Sometimes, the patient will realize that he “feels better” when on his meds, and then he will begin to willingly take the meds. But, it is a matter of finding the correct meds in order to make this happen. This can take a LOT of trial and error, and even MANY years of effort. Changing meds is not easy on the patient, nor on the family, because it is a long process.
Changing meds is often done when in a hospital environment so that the patient can be monitored closely for side effects/response.
Some medications require WEEKLY monitoring by drawing blood before the next dose of the medication can, legally be given, – in order to monitor white blood cell counts, etc. which can be in danger of going very low and resulting in other diseases such as lymphoma, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, colds, etc.
Almost correct RI.
Some of the mentally ill end up realizing and admitting their illness and therefore take the necessary steps to correct it, such as meds and therapy. The meds on a daily basis are important.
But the big problem is with the ones who think they are normal and don’t need help. They often end up in and out of hospitals until their loved ones simply can’t deal with them as they refuse their meds and go downhill.
I happened to marry someone with mental illness and didn’t recognize it in her until she hit the 35 mark. Boy what a switch.
And yes, we all may have some abnormality in our noggins.
…unaware of how sick you are.
Many very sick people who suffer from severe mental illnesses spend their days laughing and believing that everything is just fine.
John Doe, you ONLY love yourself. You’re a narcissistic sociopath who has absolutely NO BUSINESS wearing a badge, or carrying a weapon. You are a walking liability to whichever PD you are working for.
You obviously don’t understand, or recognize, your own mental illness! When you do not realize, or believe, that you are mentally ill, the psychiatrist will write in the diagnosis that you suffer from a “lack of insight.” (into your own illness). The “lack of insight” is a very common phenomenon that affects many of those who suffer from severe mental illnesses.
I believe that there is MUCH hope for those who suffer from schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, severe depression, personality disorders, narcisisstic sociopaths, etc., to become well again,- with the correct medications, intense therapy, community understanding and support.
Therefore, I will try my best to be patient with your ignorant comments. I truly hope that LE will begin doing a much better job of testing for mental illnesses in their recruits, and also in their officers’ annual check-ups/evals,- beginning immediately!!
It is very obvious that there have been, and there currently are, PLENTY of very sick cops in LE and particularly in the FPD.
P.S. I have no hate for you, only extreme pity.
Wow..I am all that and still passed the psych test. I must be really good.
You really dont know anything about how history, politics and, psychology have worked together do you ? I knew it as a child, the lunatics often run politics.
Replied to John Doe, ???
“…but why should the citizens of Fullerton support them…”
Many are asking the same question with regard to Wolfe, Ramos, Cicinelli, Blatney, Hampton, Thayer, Tong, mater, Mejia, Sellers, Goodrich Baughman, Rincon, Major, Siliceo, Nguyen, etc., etc., etc.
These fine officers work for their money, not like the homeless that want to be supported. Stop being stupid.
Meh. No they don’t and no, they aren’t.
Only to you and your kind are these insane gestapo considered, “fine”.
Unless you call torturing and killing for the pleasure of it, “working”
JD, I agree with you on one thing, Fullerton NOW is a sanctuary for homeless. And it’s all because your dumb ass Fullerton brothers in blue f-d up royal and murdered an unarmed homeless dude and then lied about it. Thanks to Andrew Goodrich we are now officially, “Homeless Town USA”.
Then again…were you there? Or are you just going what you hear on this blog. If I were you, I would wait and not judge.
If they even show up!
Dealing with homeless idiots that dont comply.
John Doe, Kelly was mentally ill; YOU are the only IDIOT.
Being crazy isnt against the law, but STUPID IS. -Policeman
JFA, So did the cops know he was mentally ill. No they didnt. Think about it…NO you are the idiot.
OH YES they did, according to reports Ramos has had previous contacts with him. I believe he mentioned that in his report.
Ramos knew who Kelly was and there was never an incident. Ok…did he know he was a sicopath? Probably not.
YES, Ramos KNEW EXACTLY who Kelly Thomas was and he absolutely knew that Kelly was mentally ill. That fact was established long ago. You don’t seem to know very much about the Kelly Thomas murder. Does being mentally ill, or NOT being mentally ill, give cops the right to murder someone who is sitting on a bench, minding his own business, unarmed? NO, I didn’t think so.
You keep forgetting cause you are all in denial..this was a radio call the cops were there cause there was a complaint. So Kelly wasn’t there just minding his business, he was there trying to break into cars, or did gennaco make that up also?
Questions for John Doe:
1. What is a “sicopath?” Are you REALLY this STUPID?
2. Do you have proof of the radio call making the complaint?
3. Do you have proof that Kelly was trying to break into cars? Proof of any damage to cars?
4. Do you murder people for allegedly breaking into cars?
5. Do you truly believe that you can get away with your disingenuous assertion that Ramos did not know that Kelly Thomas was mentallly ill?
6. Let us PRETEND for a moment that Ramos did NOT know that Kelly Thomas was mentally ill.
a.) Would that make it somehow more acceptable to murder an unarmed man?
b.) Would that make it somehow more acceptable to you to bludgeon someone to death with the butt end of a taser eight times in the face, crushing bones deep within the skull, causing massive bleeding and choking to death on his own blood AFTER the unarmed man is already unconscious?
c.) Would it make it somehow more acceptable to you for an officer to do two full body weight knee drops on the unarmed man’s face and throat, thereby crushing his throat, AFTER he is already unconscious?
d.) Would that somehow make it acceptable to you to continue tasering someone AFTER he is already unconscious?
e.) Would that make it acceptable to leave the mortally wounded person lying in the street in a massively huge pool of blood, bleeding to death, with a collapsed lung, with a crushed thorax, with a crushed throat, with a crushed face, unconscious and choking on his own blood- without giving first aid?
7. Who gave the Fullerton Police Dept. officers the authority to be the jury, judge and the executioner??
8. Who gave the FPD officers permission to deny Kelly Thomas his civil right to due process under the law?
9. Who hired you John Doe? Whomever it is should be FIRED for incompetency.
JFA,
All this John Dope has is evil hope…
Nothing but wishful thinking from an immoral rookie snot-nosed cop with paranoid delusions of his own.
To quote the words of you award-winning comments #123 and #129 yesterday, this John Doe has “lack of insight” to his mental illness(es).
WG,
It is VERY demoralizing and VERY scary to read some of the ignorant comments from sociopathic LE officers on this blog, and to realize that they are out there on our streets carrying badges and weapons.
May God help us and protect us, because Dan Hughes certainly won’t!! Thank you WG, and God bless all of those who have been, and who are currently, active in the recall efforts!!
WG, I hope your son is doing really well. I enjoyed meeting you and I hope to see you at the walk-a- thon! And, God Bless ACU, vw type 53a and other truly good officers who have integrity, love and respect for their fellow man, and for the U.S. Constitution.
Thank you for the kind words and well wishes for my son JFA…
He is currently in the confused stigma state about being labeled with what he has and is therefore refusing his meds.
I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who said my son called him at 2:45am, this morning to tell him about his poetry. I also saw that he sent one of my FB friends a message early this morning, etc.
This demonstrates his manic state where he doesn’t sleep (and he’s normally a deep long sleeper), doesn’t get hungry (and he eats like an NFL linebacker when well), and rambles(and he’s a very quiet/shy kid when well).
I did get him to take his meds last night, finally, after about 5 days off of them, so there may be short-term hope.
Sorry to ramble. Your well wishes got to me. lol
My heart aches for you. If you still have my phone number, please call, or e-mail me sometime so we can share more info. No matter what, please don’t ever give up hope for a bright future.
I wish you all the very best mi amigo Wrong Guy, and want you to know that Father’s like you inspire Father’s like me to ALWAYS be there for my children.
John Doe,
City of Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. Population 180,000, 100 square miles in size.
130 Deputies patrol the city.
Station is managed by 1 Captain, 2 Lieutenants, 14 Sergeants.
In addition to the main station they have a 3,500 square foot sub-station located in the Victoria Gardens Mall.
Mayberry RFD, I don’t think so.
Fullerton 150,000 now? 23 sq miles?
Chief, 3 captains, 5 LTs, 21 Sergeants & 114 other sworn. Doesn’t seem too top heavy in comparison to that. How about Chino Hills? Rancho and CH don’t compare activity wise but nice to see comparisons anyways.
Those other Cities dont have, Mc Satans, 3 MIDDLE FINGERS, and REALLY REALLY OLD PEOPLE SUCKING ON THE GOVERNMENT TEET $$$$$$$$$$.
RI,
You’re correct, it’s very “good” to be aware of what is going on in local government politics. Hopefully, other cities are also beginning to wake up and become much more aware.
I really dont have actual interest in their hemmoroids either.
No Rancho and Chino Hills don’t have the scandal activity that Fullerton does. Chino Hills has 1 Captain and 1 Lt running that ship.
No they don’t have the bars and clubs either, so less headaches there too.
Chino Hills is half the size of fullerton so no comparison as to calls for service.
Rancho Cucamonga will clear 400 plus calls for service a day.
So fullerton can close down half their bars and clubs, get rid of 2 Captains, 3 Lt, 8 Sergeants and there will a tremendous savings across the board.
You want to party go to LA.
Wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion ACU. I’d like to add an observation also. I have spoken at length with some of the FPD and found that the rank and file doesn’t seem to be too smitten with corraling drunks downtown every weekend, however I also get the impression that because drunks are prone to commit so many more violent crimes, property crimes, DUI’s, that they see it as a necessary evil to stay employed and will never advocate closing and/or cleaning up some of these bars because they’ve become the FPD’s bread and butter for making DUI arrests etc…
As I’ve said before and will say again, that Fullerton is 95% a bedroom community of people who care and look out for each other, and those same 95% of Fullerton residents DO NOT WANT THE BARS AND THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
FL you would know better about that than I would.
Clearly sounds like WAY too many clubs and bars in the area. They are sucking up way to much manpower, I am sure other issues are being ignored as a result.
In every contract city I have worked when a club or bar becomes the center of attention resulting in too many calls for service, fights, assaults, shootings, the city shuts them down.
Just not worth all the problems they create.
“BULLIES IN BLUE!”
By definition bullies are cowards, many Police Depts in America target young and drunk people, because arrests are “EASY”, if you look at the many number of Civil Lawsuits of the FPD, they deal with “EASY ARRESTS” probably for City Coffers as other evidence shows. The County Officials have been lax and lacking in proper or any oversight,
Other than the historical murder charges on Officers, There should be 8th Amendment Charges. Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
The Fullerton Police Department Are the Bullies In Blue
Long before officers beat Kelly Thomas to death, the city’s cops ran roughshod over anyone and everyone
A A AComments (36) By MARISA GERBER Thursday, Nov 24 2011
http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-11-24/news/fullerton-police-department-ron-kelly-thomas/
Nick Schou, “Fullerton Metal Jacket: When the police go military, the city goes Vietnam”
March 29, 1996 I understood now. If I were prejudiced and uncaring enough to exclude an airport—or, for that matter, any technological advancement —from my neighborhood, it was only a matter of time before I would be painting Juden on storefronts and shipping Japanese-Americans to Manzanar. Denying property lefts was mere preface. First you subjugate the developers; next you enslave Arabs, Hispanics, the handicapped and working women. I had been a fool, a bus driver on the road to the Final Solution.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2000-09-14/features/excerpts-part-1/3/
Lifesaving Service thank you for posting those articles. I read them both.
They paint quite the ugly picture with a long history.
It sounds like McKinley should have been the grand wizard of the KKK back in his day.
I also read recently where FPD back in the mid 90’s, refused to hire minority officers and were facing a lawsuit by the Feds if they failed to comply.
You’ll never believe who the spokeshole was on that matter, Don Bankhead himself.
Of course he just rebuffed the entire matter like he does everything else.
Yep this recall was the best thing that ever happened to the city, followed by the civil rights lawsuits.
Once a new council is seated they can clean up the PD once and for all.
No question in my mind you have a little mafia down there.
Jim Washburn, “Music With Teeth: John Prine takes the bait”
March 8, 1996 [W]hen the last resident had spoken, Fullerton Chief of Police Patrick McKinley aired a grievance of his own, one that stunned the audience: “Somebody in this room probably knows who fired the bullet that killed Ramon Toro.
“If somebody could tell us who fired it,” he continued in a sharp voice, “we wouldn’t have to do something like that.”
The chief’s crisp remark captured the essence of the troubled relations between Fullerton police and the Maple area’s primarily Latino residents. And it made one thing unmistakably clear: the city’s police have decided to bring their own pursuit of justice straight into the living rooms of anyone they believe is connected, however remotely, to shootings like Toro’s. In doing so, they’ve adopted operations reminiscent of Vietnam: an occupying army bent on separating the “bad guys” from the “responsible” population it claims to protect—and at the same time, using brutal tactics that tend to punish both groups in equal measure.
#11 by Joe Sipowicz on July 25, 2011
1. Release no information except positive spin.
2. Cite “ongoing investigation” as reason.
3. Cooperate to make sure “investigation” is as protracted as possible.
4. Hope everybody forgets.
5. Rely on do-nothing DA to do nothing for a year.
6. Wait for DA report.
7. Exult in exoneration when DA says not enough evidence to prosecute.
8. Beat the shit out of someone.
9. Repeat process.
#12 by Johnny Donut on July 25, 2011
Hey, how did you get your hands on the Officer Goodrich training manual?
#62 by Lifesaving Service on April 1, 2012
These situations are very costly, but not in dollar terms!
#50 by Anonymous on November 21, 2011
I was beaten by FPD in 1999. I was only 16. I am a female. I was then charged with assault on a peace officer to explain the bruises. I filed a complaint, fought the charges. I was offered 60 days to plea guilty…which I did because i thought my word would never count against the officers. I’m still angry about it.
OOPS
#63 by Lifesaving Service on April 1, 2012
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ACU, you want to compare Rancho Cucamonga with Fullerton..We have three Universities, 2 colleges and an Optometry College. This is a college town. We need alot more enforcement than Rancho Cucabonga. And you hit me with your best shot..I dont think so.
Glad to see Yorba Linda finally breaking away from the nazi Brea PD and the cost savings is incredible. If Fullerton can get a similar deal maybe we could afford to pay off all of these corrupt acts. When a police department has become a gang and enforced a code of silence it’s time for them to be made an example of.
“It’s never ending admin, not to mention reading thousands of pages of IAs a month, discipline hearings, budget work, etc. ”
And that’s the way the brass like it: a monster that feeds upon itself. Job security.
let’s let em all go and use renta a cops. sounds like a plan to me.
Don’t forget all the hush money we pay to the PD’s victims.
Who’s interested in meeting and hearing candidates running in the dethroning election?
Walkathon fundraiser on april 21st ($25.00 until 4/10 then $35.00) sign up now to save 10 bucks on Fullertonrecall.com – push the donate button
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You’re correct, it’s very “good” to be aware of what is going on in local government politics. Hopefully, other cities are also beginning to wake up and become much more aware.
(LIGHTBULB!!!) “The 3 upside down hemmoroids, Regime Change Good!!
What about the steroid riddled cops, that dont comply to the laws, you dont mention them? they deserve the same courtesy our homeless, have been treated to?
he is talking about paying for the fat fucks that pretend your the good guy when they show up on a domestic dispute call…each of us, reward this crappy performing dept, so asshats get to continue to fleece our city,because the good cops ,appear to condone , asshole cops, that lie, beat their wives, take drugs, steal ipads, pop pills, murder people, lie about arrest, molest women in cars, drive drunk…yep we citizens, Includin you, get to pay for that. YOuwant your daughters in the back seat with Rincon? I bet not, that is what he is talking about…we are PAYING for shitty employee’s, and we dont like it.
Get in line. Welcome to the real world.
smells like someone is jealous? and frankly you dont wear it well.
It’s already been stated by the District Attorney’s office that Kelly’s mental health condition was documented and known by the officers who responded to the call from the Slidebar.
That’s what makes this so egregious is that a peace officer the size of Ramos, over 240 pounds, and the rest of the herd that responded, over a 1000 pounds of pork and their assorted weapons, beat to death a 137 pound man that they all knew was mentally ill.
Are we on the same page now John Doe?
Yeah keep believing that.
I spend plenty, how about you? O thats right, you have to pay for attorneys to defend you in family court…If you know a few kids that go hungry, you better feed them, or tell me who they are and I will feed them ….no? you would rather let them starve to use them as a point…arent you lovely. Who is your mother? O I know, never mind, yes, she too is crazy like you. See speaking the truth isnt it liberating? Its new for you… try it.
Money in court? Like I said always making shit up. An what does my mother have to do in this conversation. I have feed those kids that is why I know. You are so full of hate you can’t see straight.
Ah, your mom must be so proud. If the real world mean propping up douche nozzles like you and your badged wearing bullies…just a note, this is my world you just get to be in it, Like your world I just pass through laughing at your low standards..
Propping up douche nozzles? Did you just make that up? I’m sorry that you want to be so much like me. Hundreds get kicked out weekly.
So, you ok with your daughters in the car with RIcon? So when they molest them, Im to say..sorry pal this is the real world.
If I had girls they wouldnt have waited for the opportunity to come out and open their mouth years later. They wouldn’t have found themselves in back of a police car. How about yours?
really a sweet thing, a promo for the unions. Well from a guy who lives in the worst pre-planned community on the planet. The people are rude and smarmy. So, with the opinion of your city and its dwellers are clear, my father a deputy sheriff, who I can say is a peace officer, never told me once, thank god for the unions, he said thank god for the good guys, who bust ass, and protect us.
SO lets just look at figures here…
the Union backed FPD, has approx 140 employee..of those, what 12, are on adminstrative leave, for theft, pill popping, stealing,lying,killing people, molesting women….I’d say the number of crime is pretty high..in the UNION backed PD.
Now lets look at last years crime, 2136…arrest..out of those 2136…106 were fullertonians///we have 140 thousnad people that live here, I ‘d say our crime is pretty low, the other 2000 were bar patrons…so the crime rate is higher in our UNION backed PD. The number speak for themselves. So, our criminal PD, that is uniion backed, they get use that union money to bail their bad brothers in blue. Really? Man living in IRvine must be sweet, because everyone from there says its the best, but us that visit, think it looks like every other preplanned community where all the houses are the same, and the ruleof the day..is my BMW is better than yours..so yep I git it your PD, is the best. But, we aint so lucky and the union has not one thing with character, which is what our PD is obviously missing.Union defend these bad cops…there is the real promo. Unions defend bad cops, to where we cant fire them. Woo hoo.
…unaware of how sick you are.
Many very sick people who suffer from severe mental illnesses spend their days laughing and believing that everything is just fine.
Naricissism isn’t a mental illness its a moral sickness
These situations are very costly, but not in dollar terms!
#50 by Anonymous on November 21, 2011
I was beaten by FPD in 1999. I was only 16. I am a female. I was then charged with assault on a peace officer to explain the bruises. I filed a complaint, fought the charges. I was offered 60 days to plea guilty…which I did because i thought my word would never count against the officers. I’m still angry about it.
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