What Does Ed Royce Say About SOPA?
You may have noticed that sites like Wikipedia and Craigslist have gone offline today to protest a pair of bills that threaten free speech on the Internet by criminalizing the simple act of freely linking to other websites.
If the SOPA and PIPA bills were to pass, even your comments here on FFFF would be affected. This blog would carry the legal burden of preemptively censoring links posted by our visitors or risk criminal penalties.
The resulting chilling effect would be a catastrophic blow to public discourse and our freedom of speech on this blog.
When queried a few weeks ago, Royce provided this statement of meaningless ambiguity:
But the pressure is working. Today Royce’s view seems to be sliding in the right direction:
Either way, take a few minutes today and let your representatives know how you feel about SOPA and free speech online:
Ed Royce (40th district) – Loretta Sanchez (47th district)
Shut down this blog? Count me in!
The DOJ does not need or deserve this additional power. At any time anyone can petition a court to shut down a website. It is not always instant but it is the system that balances the scales of justice.
Giving the DOJ these additional powers just tips the scales further in their favor and perverts any meaning of justice. No thank you!
Ed Royce not speaking immediately to the point and agreeing that these laws are not good for the people tells us much about Royce’s disjointed mental state. But what can you expect from a man who lives in D.C. where his wife and kids work and go to school.
And I was looking forward to a Royce challenger but Miller decided to go carpetbag in Rancho Cucamonga.
Royce is a worthless, empty suit.. But anyway consider yourself lucky because Miller is slithering, should be in prison, crook.
You are correct. It would have been entertaining to watch them air their dirty laundry.
But he’s not thrilled with Bushala and Thompson either. “I think, honestly, they were using Kelly as a platform.”
He said “bad blood” existed between the Bushala and council camps before his son’s death. “Then, with all of this with Kelly,” it gave them ammunition to use in a recall that really is about issues that have nothing to do with Kelly Thomas.
“I haven’t talked to them in quite awhile,” Ron Thomas said last week. The recall is “clearly a separate agenda item for them.”
We make Ron Thomas a celebrity and this is the thanks we get! What do you expect from a former cop?
Jane, I believe Ron Thomas is trying to say that Kelly’s death is not the whole reason for the recall.
Remember, that it is being said on the anti recall website that a homeless mans death is being used for reason for the recall.
But, I could be wrong.
This thread should give you a little perspective into Ron Thomas…
Just got back home…why is there NO ONE in front of the police department today??? – vw type 53a
…Because Ron said so.
Kelly’s Army = Ron’s Army
Its all about getting that settlement $$$ then its adios and sayonara. I was there at the memorial concert, Ron was having the time of his life at the expense of his son. I’ve yet to see him holding one sign or shed one tear.
The biggest mistake of this movement was making Ron the de facto leader or voice of it when he is in fact only 1 of many of victims affected by this brutally corrupt police department.
How I wish people would wake up and understand that this was never about Ron Thomas. It was a group effort started by many dedicated individuals who worked tirelessly against this injustice.
So, it saddens me that a large majority of people have now decided to follow Ron Thomas and not their hearts.
“When Ron says go home we say hell no”
“GO HOME!”
“HELL NO!” – – One Voice One Cause ( October 18, 2011)
The difference between us and the cop-lickers is when they say it, they want everyone to sit down, shut up and start licking boots. They don’t want anyone asking questions or examining the truth.
When we say it, we want the fight for justice to continue. We don’t want to give up or give in. I think this was the worst time to simply walk away especially with the recall efforts finally taking off.
Personally I’m not happy the way Ron has been taking personal credit for exposing other abuses inside the PD when this is absolutely not true.
– Ron Thomas
This next line was infuriating…
– Ron Thomas
I’m also not happy that he’s making this all about his cause when he tells people not to protest in front of the police department. Like others have said there are other victims and other cases of abuse involving the PD. Should we remain silent until Ron says otherwise?
Absolutely not.
Unlike the cop-lickers I’m not going to fall in line and worship someone because of the uniform they’re wearing or who they’re related to.
My point is, do not put all of your eggs into the Ron Thomas basket and don’t blindly donate money to his foundation until you see documents proving where and what percentage of the proceeds donated are going.
I don’t think Ron is a bad guy but I don’t want him manipulating or taking advantage of the good will of others for his personal gain. – One Voice One Cause (October 18, 2011)
Your making many assumptions. I was protesting the unlawffull death of a citizen of fullerton. We the people are what made it happen and Ron recognizes that. It was our ourtrage that started the protests. Many where still there at times that the family wasn’t present at all times of the day.
Please don’t make assumptions about others based on your gut feelings.
“let your representatives know how you feel about SOPA and free speech online”
I already did that.
There isn’t ONE good thing about SOPA, or PIPA for that matter. No matter what law they create, some innovative person will find a way to get around it.
The Internet is one of the best things we, as a society, have had happen to us since the printing press. Screwing with the First Amendment will make a lot people angry. This law will have a global effect, and I don’t think it will be positive.
right on! Jane
One would think Ron Thomas would be ‘bagging’ on his DA Tony Rat for his obvious soft prosecutioning methods on his FPD dirty rat babies for killing Ron’s son; why make derogotory remarks against the folks who were on the forefront of bringing justice to the Kelly Thomas killers?
Please explain if you will, Ron…
cuz ron been co-opted by the fullerton task force on homelessness and mental illness
Royce goes whichever way the wind blows.
Maybe next he will abandon his support of the Three Hollow Logs.
Nah.
If Royce really cared about free speech he would have opposed this bill from the beginning.
Am I being too naive to think it’s a politician’s job to protect the citizens from self-serving people infringing on their constitutional rights? Doesn’t Royce have a brain in his head or is he just there to see what everyone else is going to do first?
Democracy as you imagine it never existed. The government only represents the interests of the ruling elite and its own survival. Unless your interests happen to mirror their interests or agenda you’re out of luck.
No matter who you vote in or vote out, the results will always been the same because key decisions are made behind the scenes, out of sight and without the public’s consent. Federal elections are nothing more than a facade and a smoke screen meant to keep the citizenry complacent and distracted.
The game is rigged.
Thank you Travis for posting this. I hope everyone takes a few minutes to let their congressperson know how they feel about these totalitarianish attacks on our freedom masquerading as crackdowns on Internet piracy.
we, the good people of the United States, have entered an era where our Constitution is a tool to be interpreted by the powers that be livin in Wash DC.
I can hear it now; what is protection of intellectual property versus first amendment free speech?
Uh duh, well, property whether real or intellectual is something tangible and uh duh free speech is ephemeral so it don’t count as much as property so uh duh lets get rid of free speech so to protect property and an added plus is it stops all those people saying nasty, truthful things about us.
Our Constitution once was the law of the land that promoted individualism by protecting our individual rights , not something to be deconstructed into multiple meanings like a poem by some Romantic twit
That made me laugh out loud!
Hasn’t the Little Cop Royce supported the “UnPatriot Act?”
Yes. Thumbs up from Ed every time.
I guess it doesn’t affect him.
The Los Angeles Times
SOPA blackout: Bills lose three co-sponsors amid protests
January 18, 2012 | 10:19 am
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackout-sopa-and-pipa-lose-three-co-sponsors-in-congress.html
Ed voted against HR1540 which was a good call on his part so lets hope he does the same with this nazi piece of trash legislation. His kids and grandkids are going to have to live with the consequences of living in a country that will turn into a nightmare if he doesnt. By succesive approximation they will have their way with us unless we keep throwing wrenches into the gears.
…dust in the wind…
Without a U-lock your bicycles are …dust in the wind…There have been ganstas seen cutting cables to bikes in broad daylight around the train station area.
Legislation to control the internet has bipartisan support. There are many in government who have been just itching to limit free speech.
PIPA is the senate version of this creepy legislation. Senator Joe Liebreman is a co-sponsor of PIPA. Blogs are the primary reason he is now the independent senator from Connecticut as opposed to the faux Democratic senator from The Nutmeg State. He has never forgotten or forgiven. He particularly despises a blog called My Left Nutmeg. Every time a bill like this comes up, old Joe is somewhere nearby.
I let the dirt bag waste of space Representatives in my neck of the woods know I am opposed to this obvious power grab and breech of civil rights.
Sometimes I wish we could teleport our detached-from reality-congress to the great pacific garbage patch and leave them there till their pensions and benefits run out (forever).
Maybe Mr. Thomas is not happy with the fact that his son’s killing has become the rallying point for Bushala personal political agenda.
Two completely seperated issues resulting from the same cause. Lack of leadership and genuine concern for the welfare of the citizens whom they “serve”.
No, Mr. Thomas is and has always been an egomaniac, a phony and a compulsive liar like Dick Jones, Pat McKinley and most people involved in politics and government. He could have told Bushala and FFFF to screw off but that wouldnt have been good to serve his own needs which was to get a lucrative settlement.
Bushala needed Ron for his own agenda and Ron needed Bushala for his own agenda. This isnt exactly a secret.
I support the recall because I believe Fullerton City needs to be cleaned up from top to bottom and since no one else is stepping in, Bushala is a means to an end and from what I’ve seen Tony Bushala, Chris Thompson and FFFF has done an extraordinary job dismantling and reveling the corruption within this city. I have to give them credit for that.
Ron Thomas OTOH is incapable of turning off that massive ego of his. It could be because of underlying mental health issues. It is certainly possible that schizophrenia is hereditary.
If it were left up to me, the 2 officers would be facing murder charges, Kelly’s biological sisters and mom would get a nice settlement and Ron would be sent on his merry way because I feel that he played a part in the rapid progression of his son’s illness.
Whatever the case might be, I’ve learned to pretty much ignore Ron at this point and focus on what really matters. I believe what really matters is continuing to be the voice for Kelly Thomas by cleaning up the corruption in the police department, city hall and making sure the homeless within our communities get the help and treatment they deserve.
“It is certainly possible that schizophrenia is hereditary.”
It most certainly is hereditary. Look it up.
When you accuse Ron Thomas of being in this for money all you do is parrot the rhetoric of the cop apologists trolls that once filled this forum, the OC Register forum, etc
Yes, thank god for censorship, if it wasn’t for Tony and Travis blocking the IP addresses of those trolls we would be forced to read the dissenting comments of those who disagree with our platform and agenda.
Nobody is blocked.
Lie
No lie.
Fullerton Yes,
You seem to have a good grasp of the psy ops that has been waged by millionare developer Tony Bushala and his political agenda. As far as the reported corruption at the police department, they have had their share of embarrassing incidents involving a handful of stupid or unethical cops. From what I hear the truth will come out in time and the motives for the half-truths and flat out lies by the Bushala camp will be seen for what they are. Ron Thomas and Tony Bushala share the same grandiose personally disorder.
Lies? Like the pill-popping fraudster who worked for Goodrich? The iPad thief? The serial sexual molestations of Albert Rincon? The false arrest and prosecution of Veth Mam, et al? The perjury? The questionable jail suicide? The lies of Goodrich?
Speaking of grandiose personality disorder…
+Political maneuvering. outright torture. racketeering. accesories to murder after the fact. reckless indifference. sadism in the 1st and 2nd degree. and probably crimes against humanity.
Oh Yeah, a general and outright disdain, with and by unaccountability.
Bad Cops investigated by cops, arrested by cops and prosecuted by the DA. That’s your cover up.
The Kelly Thomas MURDER is adisaster. What was the Veth Mam case a Yale law school class? Maybe thats how they train the criminal justice majors over on Associated. Maybe there is too much ozone, carbon monoxide and oxides of nitrogen being pumped into the classrooms through the HVAC system from the 57. Just guessin’.
“Blousing, made up by McPension”.
Goodrich, and the ministry of wishful lies.
There is already many many thousands of posts and comments.
They just didnt want to scuff up their riot gear, and video personas.
And News vans everywhere.
Wrong Susan grasshoppa, coverups for years by those with the keys to Fullerton and the FPD-ie 10% + hidden fees on the citizens water bills that went into the general fund for 15 years after a bill was passed rendering this practice, clearly ILLEGAL ; the entire FPD continues to be silent on every single ILLEGAL case thats been brought to light, including the Rincon case, the Veth Mam case, not to mention the DA didnt do a damn thing to any of the Nazi perps.
So before you karate chop a brick make sure you prove you can handle one. Trolladite
4 bad cops walk. Cicinelli gets punk bail. Hampton and Nguyen lie on witness stand. Superiors re-write reports. Call comes in from bar cops get free drinks at.
Veth Mam falsely arrested and prosecuted. Rincon molests 12 women with impunity.
Yeah, it’s a conspiracy.
lol @ Susan Kang.
“The truth will come out in time”
you guys have nothing. the truth has been out for awhile.
What a day for anti-SOPA Support…
Google Collected 4.5 Million Anti-SOPA Signatures Today
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/18/google-collected-4-5-million-anti-sopa-signatures-today/
too bad the gov doesnt give a fuck
Most certainly true!
A real serious problem that is being swept over is the FPD gang the hit on the wrong address, ie, the Nordell residence invasion.
How many other residences has been invaded under the premises of a probation violation. It is not necessary to execute such low level warrants under the cover of darkness, which have had properly surveilance.
FOLLOW THE “MONEY”
The city needs to implement a policy with ordinance authority for the disclosure of ALL income of all FPD, Fire Dept, and senior city management. Very similar to what the Chief of Police for the city of Los Angeles has initiated.
Would it be possible that the FPD has a rogue group that the FPD senior officers are turning a blind eye to or are some enjoyimg the booty from illegal search and seizure operations.
Would a real drug dealer file a complaint to the FPD, DA, FBI, ??
Are any of Rafael Perezs’ gang or any of past LAPD special units members employed in the FPD ?
Has anybody noticed lately.
Where have all the HELICOPTERS gone, sure is nice and quiet in the skies of Fullerton.
Isn’t it amazing what happens when people reach in their OWN pocket and there is no money.
Helo Ops are very expensive and so are dispatching Fire Dept units to all traffic accidents.
The costs to the taxpayers by the guile of PUBLIC SERVANTS under the facade of health and safety is an outright SCAM.
Think you’re being screwed on your water bill, citizens need to be turning over a lot more rocks.
I really have to respond to this comment from “levelthefield”.
You complain about the expense of dispatching Fire Dept units to all traffic
accidents.
You should know that Fire Dept units are only dispatched to accidents when the caller reports there ARE INJURIES or that it is UNKNOWN IF THERE ARE INJURIES. Fire units are started when it is reported as “unknown” if anyone is injured IN THE INTEREST of the citizen who may need help, be it medics or getting cut out of a munched vehicle. (Yes, even some of the really obvious calls get reported as unknown if any injuries).
That is a higher level of public safety that many community members desired and in some cities, demand. In your mind a desire to provide a level of service is a scam by the PUBLIC SERVANTS. How very sad for you.
And I hope you enjoy all that peace and quiet from the lack of heli’s flying. They were very helpful to the ground units and made both foot and vehicle pursuits much safer for everyone. Especially the residents when that fleeing felon was jumping fences through neighborhoods. Unfortunatle it will probably soon be replaced by the sounds of sirens chasing all the new early release paroles coming back to join their buddies.
There is no scam in the above issues, just good employees trying to provide it’s citizens good service. But you seem so convinced all are lazy ass, uneducated, self-serving pigs, and that is so far from reality that it is truly sad.
I really have to respond to this comment from “levelthefield”.
You complain about the expense of dispatching Fire Dept units to all traffic
accidents.
You should know that Fire Dept units are only dispatched to accidents when the caller reports there ARE INJURIES or that it is UNKNOWN IF THERE ARE INJURIES. Fire units are started when it is reported as “unknown” if anyone is injured IN THE INTEREST of the citizen who may need help, be it medics or getting cut out of a munched vehicle. (Yes, even some of the really obvious calls get reported as unknown if any injuries).
That is a higher level of public safety that many community members desired and in some cities, demand. In your mind a desire to provide a level of service is a scam by the PUBLIC SERVANTS. How very sad for you.
And I hope you enjoy all that peace and quiet from the lack of heli’s flying. They were very helpful to the ground units and made both foot and vehicle pursuits much safer for everyone. Especially the residents when that fleeing felon was jumping fences through neighborhoods. Unfortunatle it will probably soon be replaced by the sounds of sirens chasing all the new early release paroles coming back to join their buddies.
There is no scam in the above issues, just good employees trying to provide it’s citizens good service. But you seem so convinced all are lazy ass, uneducated, self-serving pigs, and that is so far from reality that it is truly sad.
Royce always responds in this manner. He is a useless piece of crap. He will respond to all concerns especially really hot issues, but then again what should one expect from a man who believes we can win the war on terror (the never ending theft of the taxpayer’s money and the death of the innocent) and implement democracy (I hate that word) in Afghanistan. Democracy is another word for corruption!
Finally Ed has a positive comment. Hey you democrats, only reason Ed is in office is the Dems NEVER NEVER put any effective candidate up against Ed. So there he is still in office and basically being a NO vote for most things. Maybe he is waking up do to redistricting? Who knows, lets see how he votes!