Wine Tasting with Greg Sebourn!
We have just received this invitation to a fundraiser for Recall replacement candidate Greg Sebourn. Wow! Learn how to taste wine and learn all about the illegal water tax. Now where else are you going to be able to do that?
Speaking of water and wine, if the Three Dithering Dodos have their way our water will soon be as expensive as wine.
If anyone can turn water into wine it’s Greg Sebourn and Bruce Whitaker…o.k. maybe Jesus too.
Vernon, would you like hear about Mr. Sebourn’s drinking habits?
Joe, what comment did Vernon make about Sebourn’s drinking habits? I must be missing something.
What Joe was referring to was an impromptu debate with Matt Rowe and Vernon Dozier regarding frequenting downtown Fullerton drinking establishments.
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2012/we-get-mail-fence-sitting-cardboard-candidate/
In defense of Vernon, I do believe that the downtown Fullerton drinking establishments are a HUGE issue for voters, and that a candidates stance on whether or not that they perceive DTF as a problem is TOTALLY relevant.
I think a more fair question to pose, would be to ask Greg Sebourn to weigh in on his views of DTF, and what he would do to change it if he thinks it needs fixing?
DTF bars need to be held accountable as do those who get drunk. That starts by enforcing current regulations that prohibit servers to serve alcohol to obviously intoxicated people. That also means enforcing the municipal code to keep noise levels reasonable for the neighbors and patrons. I like the idea of having an entertainment area but the current conditions, like our pension system, is unsustainable.
I think those two areas (serving regulations & code enforcement) would address most of the concerns shared by the public. It would also allow police officers to be police officers instead of bar bouncers.
If you think there are other issues and solutions, I am open to suggestions.
And then there’s the DTF parking problem…
Greg,
My concern is that there is no accountability thus no responsibility amongst the bar owners.
Case in point. Last summer there was a young engaged couple whom had been drinking all night in DTF.
They decided to take Chapman Avenue home to La Mirada to avoid the police, and ended up involved in a fatal accident by crashing into the bedroom of a home located at the corner of Chapman and Woods.
The driver’s BAT was reportedly over .20 when he was arrested, and the driver was subsequently charged with manslaughter of his fiance in Orange County Superior Court.
What I asked for and never received from FPD, is an answer as to why FPD never ascertained from the driver as to which drinking establishment and server was still serving him alcohol that night?
Seems to me that if we issued conditional use permits to each and every bar and restaurant in DTF area, that we would at least hold them personally accountable and/or liable for serving obviously inebriated customers and then turning them loose on the rest of us who are sort of defenseless sleeping in our homes with our families.
Yes to all of the above, and also there has to be a mechanism for DTF establishments aka bars to pay their own way. DTF is still a huge net loss for the city (not the bar owners obviously) and this was only made worse when a few years ago Dick McBlankhead made a motion (and the rest of the council approved) that the city hire more officers to patrol it.
How come the City continues to subsidize bars to the tune of a million dollars a year, probably more now once you factor in a lifetime of police officers compensation, when the bars are making money hand over fist? If one of you ‘get out of the way of business’ guys can’t reconcile yourself to support a special levy or some other mechanism of making the businesses directly pay for the problem which they a) create and b) profit from, then stay out of office. Thanks.
I’ll tell you who the majority of those public subsidies went to was Jack Franklyn.
Jack played the City Council a few years back by threatening to leave DTF for Brea.
I’m sure he’s been subsidized like crazy, but I’m not even talking about direct subsidies, I mean indirect subsidies in the sense of having to pay for policing & cleanup after the alcohol economy in DTF at a net loss to city coffers.
It makes no sense to heap subsidies on businesses when they are causing you to lose money.
The problem with the policing of the DTF bars is that the FPD/FPOA talk out of both sides of their mouth.
They’ll say how terrible it is but long term have no desire to see DTF cleaned up. Why? Because a rowdy DTF is job security for them. They’re not going to be cooperative with bar reform efforts if it leads to potential staffing reductions.
Totally agree with your assessment Vernon.
Yeah and money in the cities pockets, so stop complaining.
It would appear they have job security regardless of what happens in DTF.
I don’t agree with that 100%. DTF is not job security specifically, crime in general is job security.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-219336-blotter-crime.html?data=1
Yes, probably DTF does make belligerent drunks privy to crime, but also get tattoos too by the looks of how many tattoo parlors Fullerton has. But that is the point. I don’t think people going to DTF are criminals or want to break the law. If being under the influence is really the problem that problem should be addressed as so.
Bad news is: California has limited Dram Shop laws.
http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2011/Jul/366245.html
Which in short, it doesn’t hold the bars liable for anyone they get drunk for any damages they may cause unless it is a minor. But maybe as a city they can add fines to establishments that cause DUIs or other such offences. But the problem is which bar? Most poeple who get really drunk tend to bar hop so it gets really hard to hold any establishment liable in DTF.
I would suggest two things for DTF. One, there are many federal agencies that provide funding for DUI check points around places that have DUI traffic accident fatatlities. Surprisingly, someone does keep record if not the police where there has been the most fatalities due to DUI. It provides overtime pay for officers to do this as incentive to sign up for it. All you got to do is ask for the grant.
http://stopimpaireddriving.org/funding.html
Second, the city should encourage alcohol serving establishments or any future liquor licenses require alcohol servers be trained in TIPS.
http://www.tipsalcohol.com/california-alcohol-laws.html
When I was bartending my way through college, my boss made me go. It basically makes you aware of potential drunks and how to deal with them to ensure their safety and others and keep your establishment’s liability down.
All this is public safety when it comes to drunks.
But Vernon, like you say, instead of using any of these tactics (and sure there is more than I know) to keep DTF safe and liable, police would rather be a band-aid/muscle for DFT than creating some prevention for public safety.
p.s. I still think your the best candidate for Fullerton City Council.
total wine and more is better
Vendome rocked in the ’70s. Good enough for me!
Hey admin, I’m shocked. No CSUF post today?
Yes Total Wine and Spirits in Brea, is great, I save almost 40% more versus Vendomes. There is a lot of Warnings but Doctors recommend moderate drinking because of the many benefits.
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“People need to be aware of some important medical facts about drinking:
The risk of dying in any given year is 25 percent lower for those who consume moderate amounts of alcohol. 6
Moderate drinking reduces the risk of stroke by about one-half. 7
Moderate drinkers have a 54% lower chance of developing dementia than abstainers. 8
Moderate drinkers are over 30-40 percent less likely to develop diabetes. 9”
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/healthissues/1122661918.html
The parking lot is packed every night, unlike most of fullerton.
Since I have lost my Canada connection, Total Wine is the only place I can find maple liqueur and they have a far better selection of “mini” bottles than BevMo!
Hoser
Vendome has the largest selection of wine, spirits, and cigars under one roof in Fullerton.
My booze cost 38% more there. Total Wine Has vending machines where you can try a glass at a time 🙂
Total Wine = corporate america
Stay local, shop at the mom n pop stores like the Dome.
Grow, stomp and ferment yer own. More local.
They probably have 10-100 times more cash than me, and now you want me to almost double my expense. The city should change before I give them my buisness and tax money. Its a matter of someones life and well being every hour, every day.
Reminds me of how the Billions in US Campaign donations, might actually cost the USA Trillions in stupid expenditures, fraud and abuses etc. Definitely not a benefit to Americans.
The following candidates have the highest Observer votes:
IF DON BANKHEAD IS RECALLED:
•JANE RANDS: Reasons: Has served on city committees, knows city issues, can provide smooth transition, responsible. Has the intelligence to manage multi-million dollar budget and serious issues city faces. Good honest character. Not beholden to out-of-town or other special interests.
IF PAT MCKINLEY IS RECALLED:
•DOUG CHAFFEE: Reasons: Has served on city committees, knows city issues, can hit the ground running. Unfairly targeted in last election (where he lost by 200 votes) by huge out-of-town money. Has the intelligence to manage multi-million dollar budget and serious issues city faces. Good sense of priorities. Not beholden to out-of-town or other special interests.
IF DICK JONES IS RECALLED:
•GLENN GEORGIEFF: Reasons: Has served on the library board. Not beholden to out-of-town or other special interests. (whoever ends up in this seat will have to run again in Nov. when the term is up.)
http://www.fullertonobserver.com/artman/uploads/foearlymay.pdf
Fullerton Observer, BOOOOOH!!
Fullerton Observer almost got the Senior Center bingo players in trouble with the PD/city officials! Said they were conducting a gambling game… geeze, it’s seniors (mostly women) in their 70s and 80s!
Just like the city council majority.
The Fullerton Observer is about as much of a reliable news source as Fullerton Stories.
Both of these rags are nothing more than cheerleaders for the Chamber of Comerce.
Isn’t the Fullerton Observer run by the children of Pat McKinley’s partner in human rights abuses,
Rusty Kennedy?
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/the-dead-kennedys/
Fullerton police officers beat to death Kelly Thomas because he was homeless and this meets criteria for a hate crime. . The Friend For Fullertons Future blogsite has uncovered legal documents that show city of Fullerton has made numerous legal settlements to plaintiffs who have legally proven the Fullerton PD has a pattern/history of excessive force, false arrest, molesting female detainees, perjury, suspicious jail suicide and now murder of a homeless man, Kelly Thomas. Most of Fullerton PD’s civil rights abuses occurred when Pat Mckinley was Fullerton’s police chief and the only member of law enforcement on Fullerton resident and executive director of the Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC), Rusty Kennedy.
The irony is Rusty Kennedy’s OCHRC mission statement is to act as a clearinghouse and mediator for any of OC’s communities complaints of police abuses. How odd that Fullerton’s police chief and Rusty Kennedy were colleagues during the FPD’s abuse of the community and yet the OCHRC, a well-funded county social justice commission, never seem to get complaints from Fullerton’s community about their police force abusing them.
It looks like the Fullerton Observer basically cut-and-pasted their reasons for supporting three Liberals to replace three Republicans?
I also noticed they make huge assumptions ( in order to make an ass out of you and me ) regarding the candidates abilities to govern based on the candidate serving on a committee like the library board in the past.
Has anyone been over to the Hunt Library lately?
How does the Fullerton Observer expect to ever be taken seriously by anybody with such shoddy and biased journalism?
We can credit Greg Sebourn’s tenacity and well studied manner with finally raising public awareness of the city’s practice of skimming money from the water fund. If he can do this as a citizen I am very hopeful of what he can help us all achieve as a member of the City Council. Greg doesn’t want to tear down the system to prove an ideology. Instead, Greg has core beliefs that can help mark a path toward long-term solutions. He’s good for water and for Fullerton.
Is the Fullerton Observer the last bastion of the ‘Old Guard’ in Fullerton? Send them a message as well on June 5th. Politics as usual in Fullerton are over and done with on June 6th……………I’m over and done with in November when I lose to Norby………..
Not accounting for the changing demographics of this Assembly District makes the kind of cynicism you express “politics as usual” and it’s s turn-off to independent voters who are the margin of victory. Split hairs if you wish but Quirk-Silva has supported to stop the illegal water tax as much as anyone.
Speaking of DTF, does anyone know what Slide(Slime) Bar’s “reception” of (1) people of color and/or (2) people with alternative lifestyles is?
Friend who is in both categories went there earlier today (late afternoon, 04/28/12) and said he was told “white people welcome – lil jk”…
That came after I asked how he was treated there…
Who cares? Don’t go there. Problem solved. Eventually they’ll go out of business and go away.
To each his/her own.
If you’re saying the bars are putting money in the city’s pocket, the answer is no. DTF costs the city a million or more dollars per year to maintain than it contributes to city coffers. That’s the point.
Litigation is going to multiply that by 10 or so.
Fullertons Appeal as a city has taken a catastrophic hit!!
Bullies need easy victims, Bullies are by definition cowards, young people and drunks are very easy victims for many PDs in the USA.
Blacks and apparently homeless, and hopefully young or skinny women are no longer viable victims.
Typical ignorant comment. It was long ago established by the City that DTF loses a million and a half every year. Not the bar owners who sell booze to the douches and bleeths and who blast their music into the barrio and beyond.
we loose about a million a year on the bars..so where are we pocketing the cash again?
The FPOA doesn’t like Greg, Barry, Travis, or Matt and it scares them to death what this council will look like after June 5. They will act tough in the mean time. Nervously laugh it off. Make snide remarks about the candidates they don’t like.
After the election this will turn to anger and hostility so the onus is going to fall on the police chief – whoever that might be – to ensure the department faithfully carries out the objectives of the council, such as cleaning up the downtown area.
I had a very congenial discussion with Anaheim’s POA boss yesterday while walking precincts. No surprise but he does not support me because the Fullerton POA has not endorsed me.
Fullerton POS?
Any idea who they have endorsed?
http://totalbuzz.ocregister.com/2012/04/30/ron-paul-speaking-wednesday-at-csu-fullerton/84848/
Can’t imagine they would like Rands either. From her website:
“I will guide reforms within the police department and develop meaningful citizen oversight. Properly handled complaints can prevent costly lawsuits and restore confidence in the police.”