Correction: Only 555 Teachers and Admins Making Over $90,000
Oops, it turns out that there were a couple of duplications in the source data provided by the FJUHSD payroll system. Corrections have reduced my calculation of the number of $90k+ educators by about 5%.
The data on the FJUHSD salary post has been updated. Most of the corrections applied to non-certificated staff. The data from Fullerton School District has not changed.
Of course, none of this affects the original premise: there sure are a heck of a lot of well paid educators in this town, and their unions are pushing very hard to raise taxes on the rest of us.
Whu? Did you count wrong or were some names listed more than once?
There were multiple pay codes for many of the employees. Most of them were legitimate (stipends, overtime, summer school, leave, etc) but there were a few where the same dollars were represented twice in different fields. The data out of the payroll system was flawed.
Travis writes”There were multiple pay codes for many of the employees. Most of them were legitimate (stipends, overtime, summer school, leave, etc” translation is the stipends, overtime, summer school is equivalent to a private sector forty hour work week. teachers receive a salary and those salaried private sector workers usually put in more than a forty hour work week, so employers find it cheaper to pay them a fixed amount rather than pay them for all the ours they work which often is over forty hours a week. Legitimate excuse for these teachers’ salaries and their benefits? No.
Here are the real numbers, based on 2009-10. (http://www.ocregister.com/news/-280839–.html)
Anyone can search it to verify my numbers
Fullerton School District
287 employees making $25-50,000
350 employees making $50-75,000
289 employees making $75-99,000
48 employees making $100-150,000
3 employees making $150-200,000
1 employees making $200+
Fullerton Joint Union
188 employees making $25-50,000
294 employees making $50-75,000
328 employees making $75-99,000
226 employees making $100-150,000
8 employees making $150-200,000
1 employee making $200+
I counted up how many of these employees were actually teachers. Here are the numbers.
FSD – There are 0 teachers being paid over $100,000
FJU – There are 179 teachers being paid over $100,000
FSD – There are 83 teachers making between 90-100
FJU – There are 139 teachers making between 90-100
There are 401 teachers total in Fullerton making 90+
FSD has 50 work sites. That’s 1 and half employees per work site making 90+
FJU has 10 work sites. That’s approx 32 employees per work site making 90+
Living wage in Fullerton for one adult and one child is 23.70/hr. (http://www.livingwage.geog.psu.edu/places/0605928000)
That’s 50,000 a year.
FJU has 12 teachers being paid under the living wage
FSD has 66 teachers being paid under the living wage
The majority of teachers are in Fullerton are in the middle range between 50 and 75.
Uh, yeah. Right. I’ll believe the actual number put out by the districts this year.
You guys say your numbers are from 09-10. Well, so are mine. And anyone can click the link and do the search themselves.
Whoops, my link was bad up above. here’s the link to the searchable database where I got my numbers
http://articles.ocregister.com/2010-12-17/news/25290526_1_school-employees-school-salaries-public-school
Or actually, here is the more direct route:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-280839–.html?data=1
I’m not worried about the teacher or public employee that makes $90k per year in one of the most expensive places in the country to live….I’m worried about the imbeciles like Joe Sipowicz who’s willing to do the same work for half the pay….but, maybe that’s what we need; drooling uneducated former assembly line workers filling those ranks. In that way, the purveyors of this site and their mindless clones will end up with the government they THINK they have now. Then we can sit back and let them stew intheir own juices.
We’re on to your dirty little secret. Teachers are making a killing.
You’re on to your soiled underpants…..you’re a know-nothing blowhard….an unemployed, unskilled bitter malcontent. That’s all you’re on to..
Here’s a good plan for establishing salaries.
– Set them at a level where hundreds upon hundreds of candidates who fit your minimum qualifications apply for any opening.
– Set them at a level where virtually nobody ever quits for economic reasons.
– Ensure that the process for terminating poor performers is too long and expensive to ever actually pursue.
– When unions complain about increases in pension or medical contributions, ignore the fact that still, nobody quits.
– Make sure elected officials at the local level make no noise or compaint about the fact that we must engage in collective bargaining with unions.
– Do not rank staff by their performance.
– Hire top administrators who maintain as their highest value the avoidance of conflict in the community.
– Pay all employees on a step and column matrix of time served by education achieved.
– Support the collective bargaining of all policy which could facilitate creative solutions, like larger class sizes in specific subjects, or the hiring of non-certificated support for such classes. Or the hiring of excellent contract teachers.
– Disallow all forms of merit pay or the negotiation of higher salaries for the highest talents.
– Pay tens of thousands a year to a lobbying organization (California School Boards Asscociation) which supports the CTA on all of the above.
Oh, wait…..
Facetious…
How about this:
A questionnaire is given to each Senator and Representative. Here are the questions:
1. Do you have children? (If no, end of questionnaire.)
2. Are any of your children currently school age (K-12)? If not and they are older, please answer by referring to when they were school age and translate any dollar amounts into 2011 dollars. If not and they are younger, please answer according to the plans you have for their schooling, again using 2011 dollars.
3. Do your children attend public school, private school, or homeschool?
4. If public school, what is the per-pupil spending, including private fundraising, for students at that school?
5. If private school, what is the annual tuition (sticker price)?
6. If homeschool, what is the total annual cost of materials, enrichment activities, and instruction (instruction meaning the cost of private tutors and/or the lost wages of the parent who stays home and teaches)?
That is the questionnaire. Every member of Congress answers it, and then we total up the answers to questions 4-6 and divide by number of Yes responses to question 1.
We then have the average annual amount of money that Congress feels is appropriate to spend to educate one child. Congress then passes a law funding our public schools to the tune of that amount of spending per pupil.
And voila, we have a system for funding our schools that reflects the true feelings of our elected representatives.
http://bethpratt.tumblr.com/post/5521825471/in-which-i-solve-the-problem-of-how-much-funding
Do the pay #s count benefits such as pensions? If not, once factored in how many teachers make over/under the “living wage” and or above/below this arbitrary 90K$ figure?
Also, the comparison to the private sector is a facetious argument. In the private sector you’re accountable for your performance the entire time you work, not just your 3 pre-tenure years.
When teachers support accountability I’ll listen to their asinine arguments about dollar amounts.
As a fun aside — In the US we spend 40% more (in inflation adjusted dollars) than we did in 1970 for the same results. More money doesn’t equal better results. Accountability does.
Gee yeah, that’s a big mystery. If only something profound had changed over the last forty years which might explain this, but.. Nope, can’t think of anything.
Chris–
That may be true in some subjects…English, History. But it’s hard to find and keep good math & Science teachers, since there are so many other things they can do.
$90k is ok for a really good teacher, but you can’t have these salaries with ironclad job security. Cut the admin. overhead, contract out the non-teaching functions & make teachers independent contractors, with principals bidding for the best.
Teachers should be defending their profession–not apologists for the status quo.
“That may be true in some subjects…English, History. ”
Speaking from experience?
I am not upset a teacher makes $90K. what myself and others are mad about is the unions, tenure that leads to the inability to fire bad teachers, the incredible attitude of “we owe them”, the guaranteed pensions, the fact they dont pay into social security, they complain about making $90K when they only work 9 months a year.
Its the perks and attitude at which you come at the general public asking for more money to support behaviors we dont support