Recall Petitions Are Approved; Signature Gathering Begins
We have received approval from the Fullerton City Clerk of the three recall petitions for Don Bankhead, Dick Jones and Pat McKinley.
I would like to give credit where credit is due and thank City Clerk Lucinda Williams for getting our petitions approved with three revisions in nine business days. I spoke to a number of people who had been through this process on recalls and I would guess there are not too many examples of getting one recall petition, much less three, approved in that timeframe. Thank you Lucinda for doing both a good job and the right thing!
Recall Petition – Pat McKinley
Recall Petition – Don Bankhead
Recall Petition – Dick Jones
Again, if you have not already communicated with us on your desire to be a Signature Gatherer, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A REGISTERED FULLERTON VOTER, please send an email stating your interest to chris@fullertonrecall.com.
Many people have asked about online signature gathering, but that is not allowed. If you wish to sign the petition, please either find a signature gatherer at your local supermarket, the Kelly Thomas Protests or events, the Thursday Fullerton Market or email chris@fullertonrecall.com Tell your Fullerton Friends!
As one of the first commenters. I just want to say that for all of those trolls out there or one of the six murderers that are on here trying to make people mad by posting stupid comments that make no sense, please ignore them, focus your energy on doing what needs to be done. In this case, gather signatures. FFFF you guys are great! I honor you, you guys have proven that when a community is united, we can fight corruption together. Justice for Kelly Thomas!
On line signature gathering??? Really??? It’s because all the supporters of this recall and all FFFF stands for are not Fullerton residence!! Geez I wonder why they want to do it via online! Really???
There is no online signature gathering. This is just announcing that the signature gathering has begun.
Fullerton residents who oppose this recall support:
– Secretive government
– Union power which directly led to the Kelly Thomas tragedy
– Onerous protections for public employees that prevent us from firing the bad ones, much less prosecuting criminal ones
– The theft of our general fund for worthless redevelopment projects
– The doubling of water rates
– Budgets that spend millions more than our revenues.
– So if you believe those things demonstrate your love for Fullerton, then get an I Love Fullerton Tattoo…preferably on your brain.
Democrats, Republicans, Libertarian, Green Party, Independent Party and any other party which supports good government which puts the people first would support the removal of these 3 gentlemen who represent the worst in government run amuck.
IT’S THIS IN EVERY CITY. WATER RATES BECAUSE OF A SO-CALLED DROUGHT, AND WHEN THERE’S NO LONGER A WATER SHORTAGE, DO THE RATES GO DOWN? WE ARE BEING SCAMMED BY SOCIAL PROGRESSIVES PEOPLE!
I don’t think its the social progressives who are the problem in Fullerton. I wouldn’t exactly call the FPD or City Council social progressives. Anyway, we’re on the same side, let’s focus. even though I may not agree entirely with Chris on everything, I totally support this recall effort.
Fedup, I agree with Jt below. This is not a political issue. It is a Justice issue, one that should uniting us ALL. One of the tricks Reality/Free Spirit/babyCakes and his cohorts have tried to do is drive political wedges between folks here in attempts to pit one political ideology against another and disintegrate the Unity of people blogging here. Together many of us have fought them down, but some of YOU old-timers here do the same thing.
Those actions are counter-productive to your goals, so why do it?
No disrespect intended. Just wondering.
Please consider your words before pressing Send. Thanks for reading.
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REALITY, YOU ARE SINCERELY A PIECE OF SHIT! GET OVER YOUR STUPID ASS SELF!
My favorite is thing to read is about Tony Bushala making tons of money on redevelopment. Tony is one of the biggest anti-redevelopment advocates in the country and those three old men have voted our city into millions of dollars of debt.
Do they not understand why they are being recalled?
Demand an outside auditor come in and check out how the pd and city hall spends your money!
EXCELLENT suggestion!
woooo hooooo
good job,, they are so gone,
If one or more of the 6 are on here making statements to sway or interfere with witnesses, I think they should talk to convicted felon and former OC Sheriff Mike Carona.
Lucinda is an excellent City Clerk. She really has raised the bar of public service in City Hall.
Maybe she should be careful they might fire her
sometimes the civil service laws work for us
That’s fabulous news!
Congrats to you guys!
This is the important first step.
I’m still concerned about what kind of collusion there might be in the DA’s investigation. My gut tells me the Mayor, DA, Coroner, and Police Chief are pinned down. Too many eyes on their every action. Eventually everything they have done to wash their hands of Kelly Thomas will be public.
That tried and true method of waiting for the public to forget aint workin this time.
You are correct about their conspiracy to squash this crime.
Big brother is watching and so are we.
If the killers were minorities this case would be in court with the video footage.
What you said would be true if the killers were anyone but cops. It should be true of cops but isn’t because of a double standard. They protect each other from chief’s on down to janitors because they, believe that we can’t understand how difficult their job is “putting their life on the line for us every day” which is bull, the Bureau of Labor a federal agency says that police officer is not even in the 10 most dangerous jobs, it falls below farmer, truck driver, deep sea fisherman, and others. Out of almost a million cops nationwide I believe last year only 50 or so were violently killed on duty, not counting traffic accidents, etc. The truth is, if you check youtube you’ll see that it’s us the citizen who puts their life on the line.
Too bad that I live out of town. Could get atleast 20 signatures right now. The powers that be are definately stonewalling. Thinking that time will just make this whole “thing”, as McKinley called it on CNN, go away is delusional. This is a textbook case of police brutality and half assed cover up. As for the trolls who are futily attempting to derail free speech by sabotaging these blogs, yourselves, your husbands, fathers, etc are going to be held responsible for your/their actions it is just inevitable accept it, the people will win out. These attempts to irk people are backfiring and the local bloggers are going to kick ass and take names. Head for the hills assclowns the day of reckoning is fast approaching.
Muffin, they accept help collecting recall petitions, are you in driving distance of Fullerton….
Read McKinley’s rebuttal on his recall form; pathetic, but the most he’s put in print to defend himself in a decade.
Pitiful multi-dipper.
It’s a coverup on top of a coverup
The first step was the minimizing of video evidence. Step two, allow the police to screen the (so far unseen) official beating video and tidy up all the paperwork. A number of 4th amendment violations here. Step three, sign said paperwork and Kelly Thomas is memory. Nothing to see here.
This ended when Kelly died and his father broke the story. It went National!
Second coverup
This ones about erasing all of the fraud, ethics violations and deceit committed while Kelly was on life support. Except it can’t be done with Ron Thomas, his legal representation, the Feds, and the Fullerton Community watching. Add to that, the increasing amount of evidence being provided by private citizens that is sure to contradict the official story.
In the end I suspect this will bring down the Mayor, DA, and Police Chief. There is no honor among thieves, If one goes down that one will snitch on whoever he has dirt on.
Muffin said it best, all you idiots who support FFFF are all out of towners!!! The ACTUAL residence love and support the police and city counsel so good luck! What a waste of time and money!! Why not take All the money and time and build a homeless shelter? Maybe 110 e walnut would be a great place!!! Really???
No so. See you at the polls.
Jesus, can I give you a couple of bucks to take some ESL classes? Give me your paypal address.
So what if supporters live outside Fullerton? We are more objective in seeing the details of this case! Our taxes pay your salary and benefits as well….thus we have a sayso in this debacle! How many of the shady 6 live in Fullerton?
I resent being referred to as a “residence.”
That’s pretty funny
Personally, I think that Chris Thompson said it best, when he addressed your first assinine comment:
“So if you believe those things demonstrate your love for Fullerton, then get an I Love Fullerton Tattoo…preferably on your brain”
Now that was funny!
Really, you wish
Gee, I guess all the Fullerton Protesters were bused in.
Not even close to being true St. Lou
I know it’s not. “Really” had commented that Kelly Thomas supporters here on the board were “Out of towners”. Just answering one absurd statement with another.
You guys have massive support from the locals.
Keep up the pressure.
Really???
About the homeless shelter, when Ron Thomas get his judgement, he’ll donate it to the homeless and Fullerton will have the best shelter in Orange County. You’re probably some hack being paid an obscene amount of money by the Fullerton tax payers. Your little asshole buddies in the FPD and city COUNCIL who have lied and stonewalled, you love them so much spell the word correctly you twit, are going down. The word Fullerton = police brutality and corruption across the country and parts of the world. It is a model on how a city or town should not be run. Your denial of the facts and half assed attempt to derail free speech only reveal you for what you are, a nazi troll.
That’s “residents” not “residence.” Learn to spell.
Again you idiots are so focused on spelling and not the facts! It just goes to show how simple minded you all are!! And you know Ron Thomas had to pay all his debt off so I am assuming there won’t be much left! Hey muffin how many homeless people have you helped ??? That’s what I thought!
All they have is spelling and grammar. All 10 of them.
I’m not Muffin, but I have helped more people in need than I begin to remember over a period of several decades. Kelly Thomas is not the first Homeless person I’ve cared about, and won’t be the last.
Time, food, clothes, and money I’ve given to help homeless. What have you ever done for anyone except yourself? Nothing? Why is that not a surprise?
Actually when I lived in a city I volunteered for homeless shelters throughout the YEARS. Where I live people put their money where their mouths are, we help our own. Yes, the homeless are not ony human beings but are also american citizens, THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST!! And to the wankers and wankeresses who don’t think that out of towners should have a voice here, too bad get over it!! People like Really??? are what make many people across the US view Fullerton as the city where homelessness and mental illness are acutally illegal. If mental illness were a crime Really??? would be put away for 20years. The writing is on the wall, those responsible for Kelly’s death are going to pay and your delusional denials of the facts at hand aren’t going to do any good in getting your felonious and complicitous husbands, neighbors, idols, friends, selves etc off.
Nice talk. Glad you don’t live in Fullerton.
Muffin great comeback!!! You just proved my point!!
Gotufooled, that is correct 10 if they are lucky!!
LOL DREAM ON!
Muffin????? Hello??? What you out helping the homeless??? Oh I bet you are helping them wash their clothes and feeding them letting them sleep in your bed! Muffin what a great member of society you are. Hey muffin post your address so I can take the 300 or so homeless in Fullerton to your house, I am sure you live in Fullerton …… Right????
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
I only hope there is a karmic principle at work and you find yourself homeless. With the US and world economy about to collapse, you may find yourself on the streets faster than you think. Have worked with the homeless when I lived in the city. Of course I didn’t help people in Fullerton halfwit, because I don’t live there. You obvious have a lot of hostility and seem to regard the homeless as subhuman. This is very unfortunate. No I don’t see myself as a great member of society just as one with some caring for my fellow humans, an emotion that you do not obviously possess. By showing you’re ingnorance you are doing nothing but tainting the city and people of Fullerton.
Since the cover-up issue inevitably comes up in every discussion on FFF, here’s a re-post of comments I made elsewhere today:
About the supposed “foot dragging” by the OC DA and OC Sheriff/Coroner….
Remember that Costa Mesa city employee who committed suicide earlier this year on the day he was scheduled to receive a lay-off notice? Huy Pham jumped from the roof of the Costa Mesa City Hall building on March 17th. The results of his autopsy and toxicology reports were released to the public at the end of May, nearly ten full weeks after his death. Kelly Thomas has been dead for about nine weeks.
Of note is that, despite taking so long, the toxicology report turned out to be favorable to government officials, who at the time of Pham’s death were widely criticized for being at least somewhat responsible for his suicide, this for the way in which he and others were being laid-off by the city. As it turned out Pham was a cokehead who had a significant amount of the drug in his system when he jumped.
On another note, as much as anyone here, I want to see the FPD officers responsible for the murder of Kelly Thomas brought to justice, but I also want to see a solid case made, and with all of the evidence having been properly gathered so that they can be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. I believe the OC DA is doing the right thing in waiting for the Forensic Pathologists to complete and submit their report. And I still believe also that the DA is right to hold the key surveilance video until trial for maximum shock value.
If the DA lets ’em walk will you write up a long post defending the DA?
I promise to publish it.
Thank you Harpoon. I’ve been wondering that for weeks now. I like to believe my gut is wrong on this one, but ‘someone’ seems to have a crush on the DA. Sorry, EyeNever, but that is how it looks. Hoping to be wrong and that you are on the square.
—“If the DA lets ‘em walk will you write up a long post defending the DA?”—
No, I will be as outraged as any of you.
Instead of making this so personal, I would have thought some here would have appreciated the context provided by the recent ten week wait for the Huy Phan autopsy results, but instead it’s almost like I threw water on your anti-DA and pro-conspiracy party by even mentioning a simple fact, the wait time for Thomas’ autopsy results, so far, is within the boundry normal.
Well now the Fullerton Elites, Chamber of Commerce, Rotary, Lions, et al really have something to impress these so called International sister cities.
Maybe some of the FPD cops were trained in some of Sister city countries that you are so proud to have such a warm and caring relationship with.
Most of the citys’ so called leaders are nothing but a bunch of pompous, arrogant, ass kissing jerks and that goes for your wives too.
this fat load , bald cop was putting out barriers this morning for us -he must have weighed 280 with a gut -I swear his back end was huge – he had latex gloves on his hoofs, like he was expecting to give an anal exam in a few
gadz half that PD is obese
those latex gloves on his hoofs…. Word on the street is there is a lot of hoof rot going around in the department, (very contagious if anyone is in the same sty with those who have it).
THEY WOULDN’T HAVE TO GLOVE UP IF THEY HADN’T CREATED A BLOODY CRIME SCENE!
MUST HAVE BEEN A GERMIPHOBE!
I thought all cops were on steroids?
I am a third generation Fullerton resident. I have a lot of family and friends who reside here. I have kids in preschool, elementary school and high school. I am one of many who are supporting this cause. Change is coming and theres no politician or government employee who’s gonna make it happen. WE THE PEOPLE will create the change this country needs. And we are starting right here in Fullerton.
Great comment!!! Thank you youknowme. While I’m not a 3rd generation Fullerton resident, I’m a 3rd generation Californian and I feel exactly the same way.
I’m a 3rd generation Fullerton resident. I have a lot of family and friends who reside here. I have kids in preschool, elementary school and high school. I am one of many who are supporting this cause. Change is coming and theres no politician or government employee who’s gonna make it happen. WE THE PEOPLE will create the change this country needs. And we are starting right here in Fullerton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgLKKa5wZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLE8A0vc0VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvjPsq7G2Q
Some of the Kelly Thomas Protests. Out of Towners?
Late breaking news! I was at the protest this morning and afternoon and the police decided about 12:45 that they had had enough of our shenanigans, and actually deployed at least a half a dozen officers and four patrol cars to start pulling motorists over on Commonwealth for simply honking their horns in support of our protest! We deployed video cameras and began filming and documenting the motorists getting pulled over by three cars at a time and found that the officers were issuing tickets for excessive noise! When the protesters got wind of what was happening to the motorists passing by, they immediately moved from their posts on the sides of the street, and instantaneously began gathering in front of the police department and began a loud and thunderous protest directly aimed at the police station to demand that they immediately cease their intimidation and harassment tactics of motorists. Within minutes of the protesters converging on the front lawn of the police station, the officers were all called back into the police station, and order was immediately restored. I’m sure that we’ll see more news on this development when the FFFF blog post pictures and videos that we took of the police in action today.
While the rest of the country is hunting down terrorists the day before 9/11, here in Fullerton we’re deploying our resources to hunt down law abiding citizens honking their horns? I wouldn’t of believed any of this was either plausible or possible if I hadn’t witnessed this whole bizarre incident unfold before my own eyes!
WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT ANYTHING LESS FROM THE PD? WHO WAS THE WATCH COMMANDER ORDERING THIS? HE NEEDS A FORMAL WRITTEN COMPLAINT MADE AGAINST HIM! DO IT NOW!
LEAVE A PAPER TRAIL ON THESE ASSHOLES!
What the hell?? Unbelievable. We’ll
have to ask about this at city council. Or, someone want to give Goodrich a call, see what absurd falsehood he’ll try to peddle about it?
But in the big picture, good. I’m going to drive by there horns blaring when there isn’t even a protest going on, now that I know it bothers them. Suggest you all do the same.
Got as much as possible with my camcorder and intend to attend the next city council meeting and ask how we can afford to deploy 4-6 squad cars and 6-8 officers to pull over people simply honking their horns for justice. Tells me we have a lot of dead weight sitting around with not much else to do, and at $100 per hour each, as a taxpayer I have to question the wisdom of utilizing our ploice resources in such a manner.
BS ALERT
Excellent point! Why are we paying people to attempt to curtail our own First Amendment rights?
The most I see of the FPD the more I begin to think we could just fire half the department outrigt.
Law is the law. Now you want preferential treatment because you are a protestor? Come on.
Just remember it will be you, the officer, and a judge in the courtroom. The judge will only look at if you broke the law. If you did, pay up. If you think it’s worth it, then keep on honking. Fullerton needs the money.
Mmmm. This one writes like “Cakes.”
First Amendment case Cakes. First person who loses a case appeals. Federal level this gets tossed. Countersuit filed against Fullerton. Fullerton getting poor. Better fire some cops.
“Mmmm. This one writes like “Cakes.”
Hum, you noticed that too? 😎
Restoring order! Apparently the protesters have to do it!
UMM, YUP!
DON’T PAY THOSE TICKETS!!! CONTACT THE ACLU!! this has happened elsewhere before.
It is obviously free speech when you honk in support of protestors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6542710&mesg_id=6542710
YES!
I just read about this in The Register and was going to say blog post about this, please.
Law is the law. If you think they broke it, doesn’t mean you can break it. They are going to start cracking down more on your hooligans.
The First Amendment, as backed up the US District Judge in Detroit in a case against the city of Ferndale, expressly gives protestors the right to honk their horns. All you are doing by pressuring the City of Fullerton’s Police Department to inforce a local noise ordinance in violation of the First Amendment and subsequent court decisions is to expose the city to yet another liability civil suit, this one for First Amendment violations.
MY hooligans? I’m as Republican as you can get and have opinions about this all that I won’t share here and come from a law enforcement family. I’m not a protestor but today got to me. Horn honking tickets for supporting a cause? Oh you can BS the laws as much as you would like and use them for your agenda but this is too, too much. I will not only drive by the police station next Saturday and honk, but I may just get out of the car with an OBNOXIOUS BULLHORN and take part in the protest-because you are WUSSY!
“They are going to start cracking down more on your hooligans.”
Who loves ya’ babycakes?
Oh… forgot about all those “muscular guys” you know. never mind…
😉
I AM AN OUT OF TOWNER THAT HAS ATTENDED A COUPLE OF THE PROTESTS! WE SUPPORT RON AND CATHY THOMAS, AND THE CITIZEN’S OF FULLERTON WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING!
The cronies on the city council that cover for the Fpd will be of little help to the fpd6 now. They are embattled on all fronts. I dont think they will be making too many more inflamitory comments that may hasten thier departure.
I don’t disagree with your points. However, it has always taken government much longer to do anything as compared to the private sector. The government’s progress moves at a glacial pace. If I were Ron Thomas I would pay for an independent autopsy, just to “compare notes”, as my trust in government officials has become sullied.
Putting aside patience for official results, it is painfully obvious to all that the Fullerton government botched any attempt at P.R. on the Kelly Thomas case; as a result they have created a firestorm of well-deserved distrust and furious anger towards City officials.
Your points are logical, but how do you square your position with this DA’s history in never choosing to prosecute field excessive force charges? How do you also square it with supporting the improvement of government efficiency? How does it make sense that we just accept the fact that an autopsy takes 10 weeks? Especially when there is no issue of discovering evidence related to finding a suspect? I reject that they cannot find a way to do this faster. Especially in light of the fact that it is government…them, that are under suspicion of wrong doing? While I hope any cop guilty of any crime is convicted and sentenced to the maximum allowed, I do not believe that we should be quiet about bad government simply to stay out of the way of securing a prosecution in this case. I certainly could forgive Kelly’s family for feeling differently. But, the larger pursuit of holding government accountable trumps dancing around the issues for one case.
The fact that Kelly’s protest has become way “out of town” is what has the bad guys crapping their bloomers.
Kelly Thomas is a big deal now, coast to coast and beyond. His story is everywhere, and because of this, people are coming out and getting active regarding the out of control police brutality epidemic.
All the dirty little dealers in Fullerton are under the big microscope now, and they know it.
Again, thanks and praises to FFFF, KFI 640, KTLA, and all the fabulous citizens of Fullerton for your commitment and dedication.
And thank you to everyone everywhere who is supporting Kelly’s march for justice. Thank you.
Yeah, bused in alrighty! Sounds like something a union would do. I for one am quite capable of driving myself to the protests….
This is great news! Those council members are gone. They’re done. I wish I lived in Fullerton, otherwise I’d sign the petitions in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, I don’t live there and I don’t personally know any Fullerton residents. One of my friends used to be a resident, when he was going to Cal State Fullerton. But he doesn’t live there anymore.
I had a really good discussion going with the users “jt” and “Nomad” in another blog topic. We thought it would be a good idea to start mapping out where other incidents of police abuse have happened, and compare them to patrol areas to see if there is a correlation. I just posted a comment, but for some reason comments are getting out of order and I think mine got buried.
so here’s what I’m planning to do…
I live in southern California, not too far from Fullerton actually. Well, kind of far but certainly within reasonable driving distance. At the moment, I don’t really want to say what city I live in, but I live in the Inland Empire.
Anyway, when I get paid next week and have gas money, I’m going to take a drive to Fullerton and do a little “investigating” of my own. I want to see the scene for myself, and of course where the surveillance camera is, and where the infamous Slidebar is. In fact, I plan to do a lot of snopping. There are a few things I want to check out.
As far as research and mapping goes, we might be able to get some information from the FPD itself. I’m wondering if they’ve ever published a map showing how their “beats” or patrols are divided. They wouldn’t say which officers are assigned to which patrol areas of course (except maybe give the name of the watch commander). But knowing how patrol areas are divided up could be VERY useful. You could check and see if incidents of abuse coincide with certain patrol areas.
Even stories or “rumors” of abuse could be useful as long as they give specific information. You know, if we hear enough about incidents of abuse and corruption, and they give specific information like it happened on such-and-such street….well that is something you can actually use. You could map where those incidents took place, and compare it to patrol areas to see if they coincide. If a lot of incidents all seem to be happening within a certain patrol area, well then you know what’s going on.
And I have a feeling that Jay Cicinelli and Kenton Hampton’s patrol areas are going to have a lot of pushpins on their maps.
Most police departments are very open about where their patrol areas are. Heck, in my city, I’ve been to neighborhood assocation meetings where police give handouts with maps showing patrol areas. The watch commander for my area has been to our neighborhood meetings a bunch of times. The city even has a system where you can look on a map online and see where crimes have taken place.
I’m sure it should be just as easy to get a map of the patrol areas in Fullerton. Even if the FPD doesn’t have a map on their website, someone, somewhere does.
If anyone else knows about any other incidents involving Fullerton cops (besides the one about Kenton Hampton and the cell phone), please post them. I’m especially interested in Jay Cicinelli. I think that guy has been a walking time bomb for a long time, and he is the most dangerous.
Of course he and Hampton aren’t the only bad cops. And that’s why we need to know about any other incidents. I really do believe the entire FPD is corrupt to some degree, but there are a few cops who are the most dangerous. And we need to know where they are, and who they are.
If people work together, we can find that out. Like I said earlier, we have technology on our side. And even though I don’t live in Fullerton, I want to help and I want to do my part. This isn’t just about Fullerton though. People need to send a message that police corruption will not be tolerated.
I’m planning to do some research, and I’ll try to take a drive to Fullerton next week, probably on Friday, and do a little “snooping” of my own. I’ll report back to you guys.
In the mean time, if anyone knows of any other incidents, PLEASE post about them with as much specific information as you can find out. We really need the locations where they happened.
CHRIS, THEY HAVE A BEAT MAP AND A PIN MAP. THE PIN MAP APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THOUGH.
WHEN I FIRST MENTIONED ON THIS BLOG THAT THE CRIME STATS WERE MISSING FROM THE PD BLOG, I FOUND IT SUSPICIOUS. WHEN IT RE-APPEARED A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER, IT HAD ALL SORTS OF AUTO BURG PINS AROUND THE BUS TERMINAL.
THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE PIN MAP, I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 10 AUTO BURGS IN AND AROUND THE BUS TERMINAL.
THIS DOES NOT MATCH UP WITH WITH THE TWO CAT CONVERTOR THEFT REPORTS THAT WERE OBTAINED UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. THESE WOULD NOT BE AUTO BURGS ANYWAY, THEY WOULD BE GRAND THEFTS WITH A VANDALISM.
I AM CREATING A “MURDER BOOK” COMPRISED OF THE INFORMATION POSTED ON THIS SITE, AS WELL AS OTHER RESEARCH INFORMATION, SUCH AS THE PIN MAPS ETC.
YOU CAN FIND THE PATROL MAPS AND PIN MAP ON THE FPD WEBSITE. CLICK ON THE LINK “CRIMES” WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS LINK THERE WILL BE A SELECTION FOR PATROL AREAS AND CRIME STATS.
I WOULDN’T BELIEVE MUCH OF ANYTHING THE PD PUBLISHES THOUGH!
Do the arresting officers names get linked to the pin map by any chance?
I would think that the only way to see what officers wrote those burg reports and to match the names with reports on pin maps would be to subpoena them.
I’m still on board to help with this Chris.
Ron Thomas told me last weekend that he planned to help his other two kids out financially. His daughter has two special needs kids and paying off their mortgage would give them breathing room. This does not sound like the father who didn’t care for Kelly.
fullerton lifer since 1956. the FFFF blog, tony bushala and travis kiger are the best things to happen to the city of fullerton because this blog and these 2 brave men have outed the corruption, cronyism and now our city council members aiding and abetting of a murder. We the residents and business owners of fullerton have seen our town being ruined by provincial liberals and their collaboratives who care more about coyote hills and fox theatre than they do human life and radical conservatives like looney dick jones who rants like Babbitt on crystal meth. travis and tony don’t give up the good fight because if you do then we good people of fullerton are lost to evil
I came across what might be a tip in a comment section of a news article, with a possible connecton to the case. I then forwarded it to the Thomas attorney. Pay attention everyone, to things you may come across in articles. The attorney was happy to hear from me. As a team we can do this!
I CONCUR!
I approve this recall effort of all three of these individuals who willfully refused to take action to do what is right. Take them out of office as their right reward and to be replaced. Fullerton needs this recall to be effective and successful. Thank you for this recall beginning. Please keep up the good effort toward the needed result.
another anonymous person, can you please post a link to that news article? Do you remember where you saw it? I remember reading something that someone had posted earlier, about a former police officer who used to work in the FPD. Is that what you were talking about? He had said that one of the officers was known to be a “ticking time bomb.”
Is this it
Wow. Read this anonymous letter to the editor of the Observer;
All are Terrible
“I am a former Fullerton police officer who
worked with the six accused of beating Kelly
Thomas. Two officers are directly responsible
for the death; one has been a ticking time
bomb for years. He lives in Corona. Both the
Fullerton and Corona Police Depts. have covered up his numerous previous altercations.
All six are terrible police officers and
deserve to go to prison for manslaughter, pergury, and lying on police reports.
Chief Sellers is a disgrace to the profession.
He has made it his captains’ mission to find
out who is the “leak” at the department and
has said not only will that officer be terminated, he will be prosecuted. For what? Telling the truth?
I left the department because it is corrupt
and full of “Good ol Boys Clubs,” but I still
know people at FPD. They are appalled by
the actions of the six officers. The man who
died, did not need to die.”
http://www.fullertonobserver.com/artman/uploads/foearlysept.pdf
So which of the six had a home address in Corona?
yeah i saw that and submitted it to j/k on thursday, i believe they talked alittle about it on air and again when they went on TV with KTLA on friday
I agree, the PR attached to this tragedy has been horrendous. It started with the claim by police that Thomas had resisted with so much energy that he officers’ bones. Then it was ‘oops, no broken bones.’ From that point on its been all downhill. But you know if they had done a bang up job of PR we would be doggin’ ’em for that too.
I also agree that I might want an independent autopsy if I were Ron Thomas. But I also might be tempted to wait and see the result of the official forensic examination, a second opinion could cut both ways and end up being used by the defense to undercut the prosecution and create reasonable doubt. No one would win in a battle of the pathologists, except perhaps the officers who murdered Kelly Thomas.
I think there is a lot of confusion here on FFF with regard to toxicology testing. Few seem to understand the difference between clinical tox testing such as that done at the hospital, and the kind of forensic testing that typically takes weeks or even months to complete.
After death there can be many tests that need to be done on dozens of specimans taken from organs and body fluids. And sometimes testing reveals additional drugs involved and that adds time. Then if illicit drugs are found it is common that more sophisticated and specific tests are run to try to determine the amount, method of ingestion, etc. This results in still more specimens having to be sent out to specialized labs, and if any of the labs at any step along the way have a backlog of specimens to analyze, this too adds to the delay. It’s a long process, and 4 to 8 weeks is pretty standard, sometimes it takes less time, sometimes longer.
All this is just to say that there are far more prosaic explanations for the delay than a conspiracy to thwart justice. As I’ve mentioned before, it could also be a matter of simple incompetence. On the Certificate of Death one can see that Thomas’ attending physician did not order up an autopsy, thus it seems quite possible to me that the coroner’s office did not start the process until after this whole thing blew up, as much as a full month after Thomas’s death.
Sorry, the above was in response to Dr. Zillman.
LET’S INVENTORY WHAT WE KNOW, AND INVENTORY THE LIES THE COPS HAVE TOLD.
This is something like what I’m looking for.
http://www.cityoffullerton.com/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=5723
Here are a list of news items pertaining to Kelly Thomas for your review.
http://www.ktla.com/search/dispatcher.front?Query=kelly+thomas&target=adv_video
The above link goes to the KTLA news website and a search for Kelly Thomas.
I am so proud of the way that the townspeople here have responded to this tragedy, and am heartened to see that the rest of the world is with us in spirit.
Spankhead and Cueball think FPD is 124 years old. That’s pretty weird since Fullerton incorporated as a city in 1904 – 107 years ago. Of course these idiots don’t even know how old their crooked police force is.
Too bad nobody checked THEIR statement for accuracy.
Naturally all three lint heads BRAG about their support from the police union! How’s that working for us?
Amazing, isn’t it?
Talk about taking stupidity to a whole other level!
Pat, Don, and Dick — the three kings of deflection. The premise of their rebuttal is silly. Why would Tony need other people to vote for redevelopment projects when these 3 clowns vote “yes” on 99% of all the projects put before them?
BETTER QUESTION IS, ARE ANY OF THE CITY COUNCIL GETTING KICKBACKS FROM LOW BID CONTRACTS ON REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS!
How many people have to sign this in order for those 3 to be officially recalled?
PSSST! WHERE ARE THE JACKASSES TONIGHT? IT’S AWFULLY QUIET IN HERE!
Travis & others:
You might do some digging on Ethan Temianka, the registrant of the anti-recall website advertised by McKinley, Jones, and Bankhead.
Their website is supposed to be http://www.protectfullerton-recallno.com and this is the Whois info.
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=protectfullerton-recallno.com&prog_id=GoDaddy
Do a search on Ethan Temianka and it turns out he is the Parks & Recreation Commissioner for the City of Costa Mesa:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/ethantemianka
Thanks, Vernon. I note:
“Field Director at Lynn Daucher for State Senate”
i.e. failure. A little young repug in the making. Bring it on Ethan. It’s game day, sonny.
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Long term speculative approach? An idiot.
huh???
HUH? WHAT?
huh?? @ dru… LOL
Good evening folks. Due to the FPD’s childish behavior today, I say this coming Saturday, we hold the rally at the station until they get the message that they cannot, and WILL not silence us or our intentions.
Keep pushing. We pushed today to demand the police enforce the law on all protestors. Please keep pushing because I want them to declare an unlawful assembly and arrest all of you as well. They can’t? Watch and see.
Now that would be truly a great PR move for the city and especially for the Police Department. I welcome it. Good luck staying within the constitution in your efforts though. And remember, more arrests just means more lawsuits.
Bring it. The world will watch a PR nightmare unfold for the PD if that happens…..
They just don’t get it.
Cakes and Donuts make me hungry.
Damn, I thought I was getting the chance to respond to some sheltered Fullertonian elite disturbed by threats to the social order.
Oh well. Nice illusion while it lasted.
Count me in 9c1, I cant help but feel that this is a watershed movement and I would like for my daughter to be a part of it as well. We will both be there.
I like the way you think “Chris”, I’ll try and help out with one of my own….
“Jt” I noticed in a post you suggested that anyone who got a ticket for honking in support of the protesters contact the ACLU. With more tickets to come in the weeks ahead, would you suggest contacting Mr Thomas’ attorney as well, to file a class action lawsuit? Let’s beat them at thier own game!
It would definitely be worth asking Garo about! I’d love to see another lawsuit filed.
This is interesting that another anonymous informant confirms that two cops were directly responsible. And he mentioned one of the cops being known to be a “ticking time bomb” for years. I’m betting that’s Jay Cicinelli. I’ve been saying all along that he had serious psychological issues after he was shot in the 1990’s. But the informant said that cop lives in Corona. And the only address that we know about for Jay Cicinelli is the one in La Mirada. I wonder if he ever lived in Corona? Or if maybe the La Mirada address is old, and he recently moved to Corona?
Of course, that doesn’t eliminate any of the other cops being psychopaths. I already know Jay Cicinelli is a psychopath…what we don’t know is whether the other cops are crazy too.
The informant specifically mentioned that the cop lived in Corona. That’s very specific information, which only someone who knew the officers would know. I’m sure this has already been thought of – but has anyone tried doing a name search on the other 5 cops, and see if any of them live in Corona?
That was John Cross. PRESIDENT OF THE FPOA!
Located a James j. Blatney, aged 45, Corona, Ca. formerly of AZ.
that must be the cornona one he’s referring to-that guy (Blatney) was one of the coppers named on this blog as a FPD 6-wonder if theres any more info that can be dug up on this one-maybe a blast to john/ken?
Try again, Blatney lives in Fullerton.
Good wok Nomad!!
Couldn’t confirm the middle initial “J” though, anyone? Although, it is compelling that the first and last names are correct, city as well matches what informant reported
Chris Thompson mentioned in a post way back that he knew Blatney personally. Chris, did he ever work Corona police?
Not sure if someone stated this already, but I just read the three petition letters, and the responses of the three men are basically the same text. As if the same person wrote all three. I am wondering if Dick, Bank, or Pat have any input at all??? It is as if some Lawyer lackey just pulled their resumes and copy /pasted??
Best part, the citizens of Fullerton are now “recall proponents”
nice
I live in a neighboring city, otherwise i would be signing all of those petitions! But I have a question for you all. Why only the Three Blind Mice? What have the other two done other than call for the worthless, clearly unfit chief to step down? Have they shown up at any of the protests? Have they done ANYTHING else during the darkest crisis your city has ever seen?
An opinion from a neighbor. I have lived next door all of my life (50 yrs.). I went to college in Fullerton. My favorite clubs & resturants are in Fullerton. The city is a wonderful place. The people of Fullerton are wonderful and i have many friends who live there. The city government and police are shit.
Just an opinon from a long time friendly neighbor. I support your efforts here completely and will continue to protest with you until we see justice.
ANOTHER COP BITES THE DUST! WHAT A DISGRACE!
LAUSD police officer convicted in shooting hoax
By Fred Shuster City News Service
Posted: 09/12/2011 04:17:28 PM PDTUpdated: 09/12/2011 04:17:46 PM PDT
VAN NUYS – A Los Angeles school police officer was convicted today of faking his own shooting near El Camino Real High School, prompting a 10- hour police dragnet of an eight-square-mile area of the San Fernando Valley.
Jeff Stenroos, 31, was convicted in a non-jury trial of five of the six counts against him. Van Nuys Superior Court Judge Richard N. Kirschner took the sixth count — filing a false police report — under submission.
Stenroos, who had been free on $20,000 bail, was taken into custody immediately after Kirschner announced his verdict. The judge ordered that Stenroos undergo a psychological exam at a state prison before his sentencing hearing Dec. 14.
Stenroos, who told police Jan. 19 he was shot once in the chest while wearing a protective vest, was convicted of insurance fraud, workers’ compensation fraud, preparing false documentary evidence and planting false evidence — all felonies — and one misdemeanor of falsely reporting an emergency.
He faces up to five years in prison. If convicted of the sixth charge, he faces up to another eight months.
Prosecutors said Stenroos’ hoax forced the lockdown of nine schools and cost about $361,000.
“The evidence showed that this particular officer had a desire to tell many lies throughout his life,” Deputy District Attorney Paul Nunez said outside court.
The prosecutor added that the verdicts show “no one’s beyond the full force of the law.”
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Nunez noted that it was still unclear what Stenroos’ motives were.
“He wanted full pay without working, but I can’t say that was his ultimate goal,” he said.
One of Stenroos’ attorneys, Tim Murphy, said outside court that he and his client were “shocked and disappointed,” adding, “It ain’t over yet.”
Murphy said Stenroos “is a guy who had a lot of pride” who never even had a traffic ticket.
Members of Stenroos’ family were in court when they verdicts were announced. His wife, Diane, was in tears. None of Stenroos’ relatives would comment.
During his closing argument, Nunez said Stenroos told “a lie, so dumb, so fantastic, that detectives pressed him to just come clean.”
“Jeff Stenroos, a police officer, should have stopped the lie,” Nunez said.
Nunez said Stenroos put on a protective vest “with a hole in it … just like a kid at Halloween, he put on a costume that day.”
“Even if it was an accidental shooting, it is still fraud. He is still guilty of all these charges,” Nunez said.
Another of Stenroos’ attorneys, Dennis Elber, told Kirschner there was no evidence to support the allegations that his client staged the shooting in order to gain media attention and time off with pay.
“The idea of a staged shooting is not only ludicrous, there is no evidence to support it,” attorney Dennis Elber said. “It was an accidental discharge.”
The prosecution’s case is “a fraud,” Elber said.
During the trial, defense attorneys called witnesses who said Stenroos had a history of very good to outstanding job evaluations. One of his supervisors testified that Stenroos risked his life to help an injured woman out of her car after it had overturned.
Stenroos, a nearly eight-year veteran of the school police force, was arrested Jan. 27 and released on $20,000 bail. He was assigned to his Santa Clarita home with pay, but relieved of police powers. CNS-09-12-2011 15:43
EXPLAIN THIS ONE FULLERTON 6!
West Covina council authorizes $1.5 million settlement for fatal 2008 officer-involved shootingBy Juliette Funes and Brian Day, Staff Writers
Posted: 09/10/2011 12:22:23 PM PDT
WEST COVINA – City officials this week authorized a $1.5 million settlement to the family of a Cal State Los Angeles student who was shot 15 times and killed by two West Covina police officers in 2008.
In a closed session meeting Tuesday, the City Council voted 4-1 in favor of authorizing the settlement to end a lawsuit filed by the family of Omar Francisco Garcia, 24, of Arcadia. Garcia was shot to death in 2008 by West Covina officers Stephen Delgadillo and Enrique Macias after he allegedly attacked them with their own batons in a Target parking lot.
The offer will remain on the table for a 30-day period, and if the family does not accept it, the matter will remain on trial, City Attorney Arnold Alvarez-Glasman said.
“We’re still awaiting acceptance from the plaintiff in this case,” Alvarez-Glasman said. “There has been an offer that has been made and until an offer has been accepted, the case is still open.”
Attorney Greg Owen, who is representing Garcia’s mother, Irma Herrera, and sisters Michelle Celeste Garcia and Jazmin Ortega, declined to comment on the offer Friday. Owen filed a claim in May 2009 alleging reckless intent and excessive force by the Police Department and later filed a lawsuit.
West Covina Councilwoman Shelley Sanderson cast the sole vote against the settlement offer. She did not return calls for comment.
Police Chief Frank Wills expressed sympathy for Garcia’s family, but said his officers acted justly.
“The death of a human being
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is always a tragedy by any measure. But that being said, I stand behind the actions of the officers 100 percent,” Wills said. “(The shooting) was thoroughly investigated by the Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney’s Office.”
District attorney’s investigators determined the shooting was “lawful self-defense,” he said.
The case stems from a Nov. 17, 2008 incident when officers Delgadillo and Macias responded to reports that Garcia was acting suspiciously behind a Target store at 2370 S. Azusa Ave., according to sheriff’s deputies.
Garcia told his mother he was going to the store to apply for a job. A manhunt from an unrelated car-to-car shooting earlier in the day had prompted police to swarm the area in search of the culprit.
When officers encountered Garcia in the store parking lot, a fight ensued and police said Garcia grabbed an officer’s baton and tried to use it on them.
An officer tried to use a Taser to disable Garcia, but the device malfunctioned, police said.
The officers then fired their guns, striking Garcia 15 times, officials said. Seven of the wounds were determined to be fatal.
Garcia also sustained blunt force trauma to his face, and the baton was found bloodied next to the body of Garcia, who was handcuffed and pronounced dead at the scene when the coroner arrived, according to the autopsy report.
The two involved officers are still employed by the city, Alvarez-Glasman said.
Although the city is proposing an offer, it is not an admission of guilt, he said.
“There’s no admission of fault by the city, department or officers,” he said. “In these types of cases, while the city feels strongly that the action of the officers involved was consistent with our police department policies, these are also cases that carry with it the potential for significant damages.”
If the case is settled, $1 million would come from the city’s risk management funds and its insurance carrier would cover the rest. The settlement could be a benefit to the city, Alvarez-Glasman said.
“The potential damages could be significant and greater than that,” he said. “Like any lawsuit, you can defend it but will never know what the jury will do.”
Posted 9/9/11 10;15 p.m.
Suit: Man beaten after taking photo of officers
September 9, 2011
A man who took a photo of a Chicago Police officer driving while holding and dragging a man outside of his squad car last December was beaten by the officer, according to a federal lawsuit filed Friday.
Brad Williams was standing on the front porch of his home when he saw the driver of a Chicago Police car reach his arm out the window and grab a man walking alongside the car and drag him down the street, according to a suit filed in U.S. District Court.
Williams took a photo of the incident and the driver’s partner exited the vehicle and approached, telling him it was illegal to photograph the police and he did not want to be on YouTube, the suit claims. He threatened to arrest William and made physical threats before leaving to help his partner, who was now searching the man who was dragged.
Both officers then returned to Williams, and verbally and physically assaulted him, the suit said. They handcuffed him and grabbed him by the throat.
Williams’ mother tried to open the door and an officer held it shut, then let go of it, causing her to stumble through the door and fall to the ground, the suit claims. Williams’ mother was recently hospitalized, partly due to the fall, for eight days, the suit said.
Williams was placed in the squad car for more than a 30 minutes, and was told by a sergeant that he should respect the police and not take photos of officers, the suit claims. He was told that one day he might need police to protect him, and was then released.
The eight-count suit claims excessive force, false arrest and imprisonment. It seeks a jury-trial, unspecified damages, court costs and attorney fees.
A spokesperson for the city’s Law Department was not available for comment Friday evening.
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AdvertisementSACRAMENTO, Sept. 11 (UPI) — Sacramento County, Calif., agreed to pay $400,000 to two men whose drug convictions were thrown out when a recording of a 2008 undercover operation surfaced.
The Sacramento Bee said Sunday the payout settles a civil rights lawsuit filed by John Pruitt and Darryl Berg, who were facing stiff prison terms in a methamphetamine case.
Pruitt’s four sons will receive $2,500 apiece for their separation from their father, the documents said. The rest will be divided among Pruitt, Berg and their attorneys.
The charges were dismissed by a federal judge two weeks before their trial was to begin in 2009 when a recording surfaced of a meeting between a sheriff’s detective and a street dealer who had reputedly named the two men as her traffickers.
The Bee said detectives initially denied the recording existed when it was requested by the defense.
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Cuyahoga County sheriff’s deputy investigated for following women
Published: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 5:20 AM Updated: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 5:20 AM
By Laura Johnston, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
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CLEVELAND, Ohio — A Cuyahoga County sheriff’s deputy is being investigated by Cleveland Metroparks rangers after two women reported him following them last week, on a day he had called in sick.
The 19-year-olds were walking in the Rocky River Reservation on the afternoon of Aug. 29, when they saw Paul Lawrence get out of a Chevy Malibu and watch them from pine trees, according to an police report. They later saw the car passing them several times.
A deputy since 2008, Lawrence, 32, is on paid leave, pending the investigation, said sheriff’s spokesman John O’Brien. O’Brien confirmed Lawrence took a sick day Aug. 29. Last year, he made $45,000 with the department.
Lawrence could not be reached for comment.
Metroparks spokeswoman Dianna Kall said rangers are investigating other complaints involving Lawrence inside the Metroparks, as well. A two-week investigation is not out of the ordinary, Kall said.
“We don’t want to jeopardize any charges,” she said. “We want to make sure we have our investigation thoroughly taken care of.”
The report on the Aug. 29 complaint states that the women flagged down a ranger about 3 p.m. and said a man had followed them up Hogsback Lane, then got out of the car. They “thought the man was urinating behind the trees,” according to the police report. The pair turned around. The man then drove past them several times on Valley Parkway.
As the women gave the license plate number to the ranger , they spotted the Chevy Malibu again.
The ranger stopped the car, driven by Lawrence, who said he was almost out of gas and was waiting for his wife to get out of work at Fairview Hospital, according to the report. Lawrence then turned on the car, which showed he still had more than a quarter of a tank of gas.
Lawrence told the ranger he was a sheriff’s deputy and gave him his Cuyahoga County ID. The ranger let him go.
Kall said it’s up to rangers whether suspects are taken into custody. “He or she needs to assess the situation.”
A ranger arrested then-Olmsted Township Police Chief Charles McNeeley in April 2009, after catching the chief and another man engaged in sexual activity in a car at a Metroparkspicnic area. McNeeley later resigned and pleaded no contest to public indecency.
Asked Friday if Lawrence was given special treatment, Kall said, “I don’t know anything about that.”
WHAT IS SUBJECTIVE TERM EXCESSIVE FORCE?
Ian Tomlinson after being pushed to the ground by police in London (2009). He collapsed and died soon after.Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive force, usually physical, but potentially also in the form of verbal attacks and psychological intimidation, by a police officer. Hubert Locke writes, “When used in print or as the battle cry in a black power rally, police brutality can by implication cover a number of practices, from calling a citizen by his or her first name to a death by a policeman’s bullet. What the average citizen thinks of when he hears the term, however, is something midway between these two occurrences, something more akin to what the police profession knows as ‘alley court’ — the wanton vicious beating of a person in custody, usually while handcuffed, and usually taking place somewhere between the scene of the arrest and the station house.”[1]
Widespread police brutality exists in many countries, even those that prosecute it.[2] Police brutality is one of several forms of police misconduct, which include: false arrest, intimidation, racial profiling, political repression, surveillance abuse, sexual abuse, and police corruption.
DOJ REPORT ON EXCESSIVE FORCE:
http://www.justice.gov/crs/pubs/pdexcess.htm
Hey Fedup or 9C can you get your hands on the training for deadly force -Im particularly interested to know if its taught to not hit in the head – Ive seen comments in other publications from cops who say that they were taught not to hit in the head-Im curious
It’s all in the general Lexipol policy. Some PDs make changes to the general policy but force is usually the same.
Head shots are not allowed generally speaking. It depends on the reason though. In normal use of force with baton and taser, head should not be the intended target. But if you hit the head and justify the reason, it can be justified.
All force, including deadly force, can be justified as you know. It all depends on each incident and circs. A shot to the head with a baton or taser gun could be justified, all depends on the reason for it and the reason better be something close to needing to use deadly force.
MERIJOE, I WENT THROUGH A USE OF COURSE CLASS THROUGH LA COUNTY SHERIFF’S. PART OF THE TRAINING INVOLVED GIVING OUT WHAT IS CALLED A BODY MAP. THIS BODY MAP SHOWS WHAT TYPES OF FORCE CAN BE USED, AND ON WHAT BODY PARTS.
THE CHEST AND THE HEAD WERE OUTLINED IN RED, MAKING IT CLEAR, THAT THESE BODY PARTS ARE ONLY HIT AS A LAST RESULT, WHICH INCLUDES BLOWS TO THE HEAD WHICH COULD RESULT IN “DEADLY FORCE”.
THE HEAD IS A NO-NO UNLESS IS IS THE LAST THING IN A FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN LIFE AS AN OFFICER. COPS IN FULLERTON HAD NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO TARGET KELLY’S HEAD. HE HAD OTHER BODY PARTS TO MAKE AN IMPRESSION ON THAT WOULD NOT HAVE RESULTED IN DEATH.
FOR FURTHER INFO: LOOK UP “USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM”.
thanks Fedup, I will
“Jt”, “Friend of a friend” posted that James Blatney resides in Fullerton, useing paladium.net I was able to confirm there is a listing there for a James Blatney, sans the middle initial. Also using the white pages located a joe wolfe in Fullerton, Its been establshed that on another thread that Cici resides in La Mirada, Ca., Could not find anything re. Kenton Hampton, Several listings for a Manuel ramos rather than “Manny” in Corona. Recall seeing a post from someone claiming to be friends with a cousin of Manny Ramos and they “both think he is a jerk” or sentiments to that effect, perhaps he could confirm city of residence (not advocating street address be made known) just city, so we can narrow down who the “anonymous informant” was referring to as a ticking time bomb.
The Terminator lives in a condo in Pasadena. He is bankrupt and delinquent in child support payments. Just the sort of character you want with a badge and a gun.
SO MUCH FOR BACKGROUND AND CREDIT CHECKS PRIOR TO BEING EMPLOYED AYE?
gadz- a deadbeat dad and a murderer-bet he saw his baby mama when saw Kellys head
BEAT THE HELL OUT OF KELLY WHILE HE WAS THINKING IT WAS HIS EX? GREAT THEORY! GOES TO THE JUVENILE, IMMATURE CONDUCT OF THESE CLOWNS!
Now this will become fact on here as well. I think most people would love to beat their ex’s but wouldn’t ever do it of course. 🙂
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AMONGST POLUCE FAMILIES IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN STATISTICALLY HIGH. IT JUST DOESN’T ALWAYS MAKE THE NEWS THE WAY IT SHOULD.
I WAS A COURT ADVOCATE FOR A BATTERED WOMAN’S SHELTER, MEANING I TOOK WOMEN TO COURT TO GET RESTRAINING ORDERS AGAINST THEIR ABUSERS.
I WAS ALSO ON THE LA COUNTY DA’S DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COUNCIL AND A MEMBER OF THE LEGAL ISSUE, WHERE WE WROTE POLICY FOR COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT WOULDN’T TAKE TOO MUCH EFFORT TO SUBPOENA HAMPTON’S WOMAN AND DEPOSE HER, SEE WHAT KIND OF A PSYCHO-SOCIOPATH SHE HAD TO PUT UP WITH.
Thanks for the input “Jefferson”!
Haven’t been corrupted by the incumbents before employed by pd. Develop the “above the law” attitude afterwards, and a new breed of pd begins to run amok. That is why it is so important to change the culture of the pd, otherwise rookies will just continue to become contaminated. Sad, thay probably had the best intentions when they started thier careers.
Kudos for your efforts to help those in need, “Fedupwithmorons”