What Does $130,000 A Year Buy You These days?
In the case of the FPD public information officer, not much, apparently.
It happens that FPD has some sort of class on how to love your local cops, and below, I share two on-line descriptions of the class. Check out the 2009 version vs. the 2012 version. All of the Pat McKinley quotes were replaced word-for-word with alleged quotations by Dan Hughes!
How’s that for a nice copy and paste job from a $130,000 per year employee, FPD spokesphincter Andrew Goodrich?
Check it out:
2012
http://www.cityoffullerton.com/civica/press/display.asp?layout=1&Entry=2594
The 10-week course “will expose participants to the many faces of police work in their community,” explained Fullerton Police Acting Chief Dan Hughes. “Participants will gain an overall knowledge of the Fullerton Police Department, how it’s organized, how it serves the community, and they will learn about the men and women behind the badge.”
Hughes emphasized the course is not meant to train people to become police officers; rather, “it is intended to improve communication and understanding between the community and the department.”
2009
http://activerain.com/blogsview/896479/fullerton-police-citizens-academy-join-today-
The 10-week course, which will be held from March 11 through May 13, “exposes participants to the many facets of police work in their community,” explained Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley. “Participants will gain an overall knowledge of the Fullerton Police Department, how it’s organized, and how it serves the community, and they will learn about the men and women behind the badge.”
McKinley emphasized the course is not meant to train people to become police officers; rather, “it is intended to open communication between the community and the department.”
Either Goodrich is the laziest $130,000 man alive, or Danny Hughes is channeling the ghost of Pat McPension!
FPD Bonus Question. “communication and understanding between the community and the department” means:
1. We will not flatulate in your face because we think you are unconscious.
2. We will not break into your house by mistake, hold you at gunpoint and refuse to apologize.
3. We will not beat you up, arrest you and then lie on the witness stand about how we came to find you in our jail the next day.
4. We will not throw you in jail for five months because we are just too damn lazy to catch the right dude.
5. We will not handcuff and sexually assault you in the back of our patrol cars.
6. We will not swipe your wallet after we kick the crap out of you.
7. We will not encourage you to commit suicide in our jail. Nor will we try to destroy the evidence thereof.
8. We will not rip you off by committing credit card fraud.
9. We will not steal your iPad at an airport security checkpoint. Or any place else for that matter.
10. We will not instigate a fake crime report, beat the living shit out of you, electrocute you, drive your facial bones into your brain, sit on your chest as you asphyxiate in your own blood, stand around as you die, and then laugh about it the next day as we go back to work.
11. None of the above.
That bonus question was tough until I got to number 11.
I spit my coffee on flatulate.
Well maybe Hughes is channeling McPension. That would make sense. McKinley probably is his role model.
Creepy.
Stop it, Joe, you’re killing me!
I am concerned that “copy and paste” may apply to much of the recent changes in leadership at FPD.
That’s exactly what happened. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. There’s nothing new in Fullerton.
I’ll be there! Now put down that bear clay Goodie and get to work!
I mean *claw*.
Why o why am I – in better shape than several of those Police officers…what if Andrew had to run to save his sorry ass, am I to pay his medical bill, because he is out of shape and blew a gasket…his upper lip beads with sweat standing there lying,imagine he would have to jog, shimmy up a ladder..and over a wall- uh uh never gonna happen…he would tazer me and say I stole a bear claw,and he was fearful of his life,being hypo-glycemic and all…O 130 thou- I will do it for 45,000 and tell the truth and send stuff out in a timely manner..but wait, that makes me way too over qualified for FPD..20 bux says andy will be out on sick leave with hyper- tension… sure, thats my fault you eat like an un supervised 6 year old at the cookie jar and dont work out.. shocker your fat.. but your cadets that run in with your food daily arent- now are they?.but watch Mr union, you’ll get your jack pot, cush union job,your pension,and some sort of settlement Joe Felz, claims per our Stupid Lawyer The other F-JOnes..we gotta pay my freind in cover up..um um I mean Andrew…and then scurry to what ever rock you live under and we all know it…makes me want to spit every time I see you.
“What Does $130,000 A Year Buy You These days?”
a date with Chaz in the back of a patrol car?
Dang Joe, based on the expert commentary from others, which I don’t have in any respect, I’d say your a hater,disgruntled citizen and have no place in a public forum??
I should be noted, the truth be damned.
You should really attend this class Joe, you sir are a type A. (insert smile).
Yes, I am a “hater.”
I hate sloppy, self-entitled, coddled, overpaid bloats who run when the going gets tough.
Or worse yet, over paid bloats who shoot first with their eyes half closed at innocent people when the going gets tough…
you mean their “eye” half closed…singular?
well, that was a nasty swipe…..lol
Maybe, but you hit the nail on the head with the lack of physical fitness of FPD officers. I think officers in the FPD are so physically unregulated (i.e. sugar levels which affect the endocrine system, weight levels which affect the cardiovascular system etc.) that they are completely incapable of performing their duties effectively and with control. If all you have is a gun and a huge hormonal imbalance you get dead innocent civilians.
Fullerton is the same as any other city. Look around. Cops are consistent with the general population in weight. Some in great shape, some medium, some fat. Would be nice to have yearly requirements but it can’t be done. Only option is if the person can’t do the job. With a radio, most can do the job until 55.
My point is police officers must be held to higher physical standard than the general population. Ramos and Goodrich are morbidly obese. That is completely unacceptable. It is totally possible to have yearly requirements, although I would prefer physical fitness tests every 6 months. If members of the armed services can do it, every other agency that supports a type of public safety service can do it too. The fact that you claim it “can’t be done” is ridiculous.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Lawsuits have proven that age and other factors are unenforceable. That’s why you have some 70 year old cops too. Don’t you think if it was possible it would be done? Who wants fat cops?
That is once again an outlandish assertion. I urge you to look at a sliding grade scale for members of all branches of the armed forces. With proper exercise and diet any person can stay in great physical shape at any age (yes even into their 90’s). Once again your arguments don’t hold up.
Norman Schwarzkopf was a good fat leader. Persons in the military can retire in 20 years. Are you proposing a 3 @ 38 retirement plan for cops. Jay Cicinalli was fit and an ex-marine now that didn’t work out so well did it.
RI the stalker=clownfish
You think he’s a fat body like Goodrich?
RI the stalker also, FR-thats the truth
So much love here. Stalker, clownfish, fat, coplicker. I feel bad for this guy. You hate him.
Okay, now this whole post had me laughing. Have they not learned anything?
As you say, cops with GEDs.
Did you think they wouldn’t copy and paste year after year? Common. What else is there to say? Can’t recreate the wheel. FPD won’t change. Minor change maybe with an outside Chief. Otherwise all the same.
Come on Fullerton Ruler, ya gotta admit, those 11 answers were spot on.
Joe did a fantastic job of putting humor behind it all because ALL of these crimes committed by tour buddies frustrates the he’ll out of all of us. That is all of us in the “right” and in the “know”.
Agree. Anything in city government is funny these days because it’s amazing that it occurs. But it’s humans so it is the norm. It would be nice to have every city in California eliminate bad employees but it will never happen. Cops will be fired, charged. Mayors will be arrested, fired. Happens everyday. If we all had access to every city employee in every city and did a chart, every city would have a similar pattern top to bottom. Firings to days off to letters of counseling. We see Fullerton up close because they are the current city under the microscope by this group. That’s good. But keep in mind that city leaders let what most say go in one ear and out the other. That’s why if you look at Fullerton not much has changed. You are trying. You may succeed on the bad batteries. But the same type will take their place. A year from now you will be complaining about decisions they made that they thought was the best decision. Never ending cycle. It’s intriguing to analyze city government. It’s a wild cycle.
Want to bet?
All the same as to WHAT????
Never mind FR you answered it.
I’m not arguing in support of the current way things are done statewide. I agree with you. I just know your way has been tried and the courts have ruled against it.
Would you please provide TWO concrete examples of Court cases which prove your assertion?
And, I would like to point out that Court cases can also be a vehicle for change. Instead of waiting for a law suit from some over paid fat body, why doesn’t the FPD use the court system to change the existing system?
…so your saying that there should be no minimum physical requirements or standards for police officers to adhere to? If they’re fat, as in the case of Mr. Goodrich, and can’t run to the vending machine without breaking into a sweat, than the PD should just continue to employ this individual and instead give him a radio so he can call for an officer that’s in better shape? What if the next officer called is also too fat and doesn’t want to be bothered either?
Great post F R on #28 above…
Romulet and Julio?
Too funny!
Well hell, do you want Goodrich to have to rewrite these things every three years. That might cause a stress leave, and we wouldn’t want that.
In today’s L.A. Times there is a story on the front page about a sergeant at the Compton station, Timothy Cooper who pointed his gun at another sergeant and threatened to Kill him. He was recommended for a demotion, but got a 15-day suspension instead. Gotta love the kindness of their so-called “discipline commity” for standing behind another cops deplorable behavior.
I would have inserted the link, but I sent this from my crackberry.
And the LASO custody assistant who is in jail now for supplying the inmates with cocaine for an extended period. Like I said, you hear about these because it’s a huge agency and the press gets it. Smaller agencies it happens often but you don’t hear about it.
So FR, why don’t you list some of the OTHER cities like Fullerton in the over all MIX of the stituation like you describe in Post #28??
When you say that if you had a chart and compared other cities we might see similiar issues. REALLY?
Let’s not use standard in house disciplinary issues to set the bar.
Your GENERAL commentary is not supported by any specifics.
Much like your comments on the other thread about cops shoot people everyday, bad people too. VERY incomplete story.
But don’t worry I help you out on that one.
Maybe because the FAMILY is tighter and happier and won’t rat anyone out. MAYBE!!!! Or they just follow orders to keep quiet.
But it’s a real bitch if a small PD was put under a federal decree much like Seattle PD is looking at right now.
When you run a small tight gang, things are less likely to get leaked out. Less people to try and convince to play the game.
Larger departments despite more supervisors, MORE people who might call BS on the corruption game.
JUST MAYBE!!!
From Fullerton Lover:
…so your saying that there should be no minimum physical requirements or standards for police officers to adhere to? If they’re fat, as in the case of Mr. Goodrich, and can’t run to the vending machine without breaking into a sweat, than the PD should just continue to employ this individual and instead give him a radio so he can call for an officer that’s in better shape? What if the next officer called is also too fat and doesn’t want to be bothered either?
Nice! Great questions w/excellent points about the ability of portly cops…I would SO enjoy watching one or more of these cops pursue a suspect in a foot chase.
Portly cops have higher risk of injury and medical issues down the road. Their ability to endure certain activities for any period of time is limited.
Some might go straight to guns if they get scared knowing they can’t last long in a struggle. The taser was a crutch for some.
It might be like turning over a turtle, we have all seen how difficult it is for one to upright himself with any speed. While your trying to over turn yourself, your getting the boots put to you by the bad guy.
That might be ok if you have a dozen cops standing by you, NOT GOOD if your a lonely deputy in the middle of no where.
I mean if a Chief of Police who has sat on his ass for a good number of years has medical issue, what about the PORTLY ones??
Just a touch of common sense. EXCEPTIONS of course, but not the norm.
But at the end of the day, YOU the taxpayer will pay for all of that and ALL of the other issues you have brought forth and MANY more.
YOU are paying for all the Good and Bad in LE enforcement and public servants across the board.
If in doubt expect another water rate hike soon.
Fullerton Ruler had this to say: Cops are consistent with the general population in weight. Some in great shape, some medium, some fat. Would be nice to have yearly requirements but it can’t be done.
ACU, is it really impossible to have yearly requirements?
I know from a first hand experience of getting ‘railroaded’ by LACSD many years ago on the corruption goings-on w/LACSD.
It was then that I learned, “the higher the rank, the bigger and better the bullshiter”. Once I got to a Lieutenant, I knew I was toast.
It doesn’t matter how friendly these officers (brass) are. Whgen you call them on their BS, in my case ‘wrongful arrest’, their evil eyes pop out and your trouble begins; especially when you are being detained in one of their local sheriff sub-stations.
May Sheriff Lee Baca’s fate be the same as Michael Carona’s.
So true. I also know from first hand experience.
My resentment of LE started with LASD. I also worked for LA Co for 10 long years. It is so corrupt, but I guess that’s a given in a political organization. I know I sound cynical.
There was so much fraud and waste in my former department, that I went to work with pains in my stomach for a long time, until I left. I called LASD many times because I worked in a public library, and there were inherent dangers, because it’s open to the public. But they often had other priorities. There are so many stories, but I digress.
People are really sick of the corruption and cronyism, and they are waiting to see what happens in Fullerton. That, I can guarantee.
Well said. It is everywhere everyday. Some minor some major. Firing the whiole city or county won’t happen, so making change is the big issue daily. Very hard to do. Interesting to watch it for sure. I would like to clean house too and run the show but doesn’t all employees feel that way?
Yes I am hearing that LASD problems are as a result of the Undersheriff running the show while BACA was out doing whatever a figure head does everyday.
RUBBING elbows with Mel Gibson I am sure.
Speaking of Mel, we ALL remember his arrest and what the Jewish deputy had to deal with.
This is the crap that turned me into a hater of any regime.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gibson-20120215,0,3182294.story
And there are hundreds of stories like this to be told.
Again folks, your tax dollars paying for stupid.
My reply to you ACU, #50 is above.
Yikes, I meant ACU #51, not FR.
Rephrased –
The 10-week course “will expose participants to the many [violent] faces of police work in their community,” explained Fullerton Police Acting Chief Dan Hughes. “Participants will gain an [unwanted up close and personal] knowledge of the [rogue members of the] Fullerton Police Department, how it’s [dis-]organized, how it [continues to fail to] serve the community, and they will learn about the [psychologically unfit] men and women behind the badge. {This course may save the life of anyone who particpates in it and we encourage members of the community at large to do so].”
The military does. And they don’t make the money that cops do.
But when WE are paying all that money towards saleries, pensions, medical retirements, workmans comp claims.
YOU BET they can. You wanna make a $130K a year, your BUTT will be at this accepted weight for you height.
YOU got a problem with that, apply at Mayberry RFD.
Some departments have told people, YOU smoke, no job for you here. NEXT in line.
Myself having been in the military and drove for General Staff officers , I had to look sharp everyday in uniform. A gut hanging over my uniform belt would of been acceptable for about a second.
EVERYDAY as a cop I looked like a MARINE in dress blues, hair high and tight, shoes highly polished, unifrom cleaned and pressed, gun belt and weapons clean and sharp.
That is part of the command presence along with the gift of gab that SOMETIMES saves you from having to get ugly and put your hands on people.
Act sharp look sharp, be respectful whenever possible will get you through day more often than not.
Even in the ghettos..
Concerned Texan, NEVER heard that a cop’s physical appearance is judge by the GENERAL population.
Must be some new scientific study pr terminology that is out and about.
Not judged. Compared. Oh yes cops are held to a higher level. So mandatory top physical shape. You remember cops are dumb high school dropouts with GEDs and military guys with GEDs right? With parents that are fat and out of shape? Monkey see monkey do? Yes fire all cops out of shape. PDs can’t hire people the way it is due to backgrounds issues. Imagine if you DQ all the fat people and fire all the cops with body fat over a %. Impossible. But yes nothing is impossible.
Well, to me Cicinelli looks like needed to be taped (i.e. The Army’s term for individually measuring BMI). I think he would’ve busted tape i.e. FAIL. Cicinelli was not fit at all. Not every person in the military retires at 20 years. A person in the armed forces can stay in for 30 plus and STILL remain physically fit because it is part of their job requirement.
Cicinelli is a disgrace to the Marines
Post #50 from Peaches, is a much more truthful spin on this course offered by FPD.
Way to put things in Proper perspective Peaches.
I’m sure the trolls appreciate that as well…lol!
$130,000. and he can’t afford a personal trainer and a cook to make it easier on him so he doesn’t have to do anything but eat and do what he’s told? Oh wait…
It was mentioned by the informant on KFI that certain members of FPD were afraid of Cicinelli claiming he was ‘big’ and used heavy-handed tactics.
When I saw him at the pre-trial, he wasn’t that big at all.
Could it be that since the incident he’s laying off the anabolic steroids?
I think so…
WG-Steroids or Donuts fried in butter?
Sometimes being plain evil and mean with an intimidating attitude makes you appear larger-like school yard bullies and many animals in the wild will puff up to appear bigger and scarier to other animals, ever seen a scared cat puff up to twice its size. Seems to be saying, dont F with me.
Also, Cicinelli isnt exactly petite
Thats funny. So Erin is not a fat beast just puffed up mad?
Yep, sure do–but not just him in the FPD.
Is it possible to fire acting chief Dan Hughes before he draws his first paycheck?
Would Dan Hughes merit retaining his acting chief job if he fired Officer Goodrich before Goodrich’ next paycheck is issued?
The answer to my first question is: Not until after the Recall Election.
The answer to my second question is: We can judge from the acting chief’s action regarding Goodrich, whether the entire FPD should be fired and then replaced by contract (one year renewable or not) with the O.C. Sheriff Department (for 33% less cost and probably 100% less Cop-Perpetrated Murders).
Initial reaction ACU? Thoughts? Active officers you have known its possible right?
Police Officer in Ariz Shooting Has Shot 6 Others
PHOENIX (AP) — Police say an Arizona police officer who fatally shot a man holding a baby had been involved in six previous shootings since 2002, including five that were fatal.
Officer James Peters was one of several officers called to a home in the Phoenix suburb of Scottsdale Tuesday night after neighbors reported a man holding a baby was threatening them with a handgun.
Police Chief Alan Rodbell said Wednesday that 50-year-old James Loxas went back in his house when the first officer arrived then opened the door with the 9-month-old baby boy in his arms but wouldn’t come out.
Peters shot Loxas in the head with a rifle when he leaned over and reached inside the house. The baby was unhurt.
The previous shootings were ruled to be within policy.
And what does FPD currently bring to the table that OSCD could not?
Let’s not do the warm and fuzzy right now.
First off, you might only have 1 Captain, he or she would be the Chief. Should have at least 2 Lieutenants maybe 3??
The Sergeants would be in the area of 11 to 15. The shifts may consist of 2 Sergeants and possible 3 if you have over laping shifts.
No more Lieutenant Watch Commanders unless the city wants one, then they can pay for it.
So their is an immediate savings of salery from reduced staffing levels. THE boys who make the big bucks.
Next when you contract out with the Sheriff’s Department, you get ALL their resources that come with a large department.
It would include their specialized untis from A-Z including their aviaition division and crime lab, homicide, arson/bomb, SWAT, crimes against childrens etc.
What you won’t get is the political rulers of the city with their thumb on the Captain’s head everyday. They may try though.
The City manager can’t fire a Sheriff’s Captain on a whim. The best he can do is call the Sheriff and complain. That is a REAL bitch for the power hunger rulers.
The Sheriff is elected by the PEOPLE not appointed by some cronies.
Depending on the level of political cooperation between the Sheriff’s Department and the City, some things may or may not get covered up. Fixing tickets might be out the door if that’s going on. Hopefully.
Special favors may or may not go out the door when the Sheriff arrives. Depends on how corrupt the Sheriff’s Department is.
Now if someone says Hutchins is corrupt, lay it out. I don’t follow OCSD much since the Carona era.
But when Hutchins arrived when she was appointed, the Board of Supervisors tried to tell her what to do about the good ol boys and the CCW’s and she was having NONE if it.
If all that has changed ok.
At to civil liabilities, LAW SUITS the county GENERALLY assumes ALL liabilities and pay for attorney’s and damages incurred out of their budgets, not the city budget.
The vast majority of the public could care less what color uniform you wear after calling 911, as long as a cop shows up.
What would happen is those current members within FPD if they are absorbed into OCSD, might have to change their ways, maybe not.
Some depending on what is in their personnel files, could be shown the door.
Current street level cops may have to go into the jails, some may be retained for patrol within Fullerton.
The Command Staff is toast as far as their grip on Fullerton.
Some could be elevated in rank or reduced.
Now for those of you who want to bash OSCD, have at it.
And of course some of this might not applie with OSCD as I do not know all the ins and outs of their bottom line contract services.
Of course negotiations would take place.
Not knowing all the facts, but with 6 fatal shootings under his belt?
TIME to get this man a job of his CHOICE within the department, but OFF the streets while the getting is good.
A liability to some whether all the shootings are justified or not. He would scare many managers.
That has to be sometype of record??
But to be specific to your question, YES it is possible, very much so.
I had one fatal OIS (officer involved shooting) and 3 more that could have easily went that way if a few more seconds and a couple of pounds of trigger pull had gone by.
I know one guy who had 4. All justified, but some of the brass didn’t like it, by the mere number alone.
Don’t get me wrong despite my disgruntled attitude you have tagged me with, if I think I am going to die, then I am taking care of business NOW and don’t give a SHIT what anyone says.
I’ll be tried by 12 versus carried by 6, PERIOD!!!
ACU
Dirty killer pig and proud of it. Better some tax paying member of the community than you
total bullshit. What were the facts of your murder? Please tell us, let us decide how many other ways you should have handled it before resorting to murder. I’m sure your other victims thanked you for sparring their life’s. Did you enjoy playing god?
As ACU explained to me previously, a soldier kills and in most cases is not questioned. A police officer or a civilian kills, and is put under intense scrutiny.
I’ve known about ACU’s shooting for well over a year. Actually, I never heard the whole story from him and am curious, as you are.
But if it is better for some taxpaying member to be out there than ACU’s “bullshit”, let s put you out on the street alone without a gun and then we can all judge the many other ways you could handle each situation.
ACU has been judged.
Sick of the pig mind, stick to one name.
what happened? From this press release, OC DA Rackauckas and CEO Orange County Human Relations Commission Rusty Kennedy seem to sincerely create an honest relationship between OC communities and their respective law enforcement with this social outreach program.
Oh, I forgot that talk is cheap and paying off law enforcement’s crimes with settlements is free for cities because all they have to do is raise a bogus tax and use our money to buy off police officers’ crimes against the community.
Orange County District Attorney
Press Release
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Tony Rackauckas, District Attorney
401 Civic Center Drive West
Santa Ana, CA 92701
For Immediate Release
November 5th, 2003 Contact: Todd Hart
(714) 347-8413
Santa Ana – November 5, 2003 – The Orange County District Attorney’s Hispanic Advisory Commission will host a Police Community Relations Forum.
The Forum provides a unique opportunity for community members to discuss their public safety concerns with community leaders including Bishop Jaime Soto, Santa Ana Police Chief Paul Walters, Garden Grove Police Chief Joe Polisar, Amin David of Los Amigos of Orange County, Rusty Kennedy of the Orange County Human Relations Commission and community activist Victoria Zaragoza. Special guests include State Senator Joe Dunn and Assemblyman Lou Correa. Santa Ana attorney Jess Araujo will serve as moderator.
Panelists will each give a short presentation about the importance of constructive community relations between law enforcement and members of the public. Police agencies will bring staff members to hand out surveys, take questions and set up follow-up appointments for the audience.
The Police Community Relations Forum represents one of the many efforts by the District Attorney’s Office to improve communication between residents, criminal justice professionals, and government leaders. Under the leadership of District Attorney Tony Rackauckas, a Community Education Services program was established to help Orange County residents better understand the criminal justice system. The program formed advisory commissions with leaders of the Hispanic and Vietnamese communities to address any concerns people may have about the legal system.
The Police Community Relations Forum will take place on Wednesday, November 5 from 5:30 p.m. – 7:30 p.m. at Santa Ana College in Phillips Hall. Members of the public are invited to attend.
Wow! I go to another city and find some great stuff on this blog. I was in Portland, OR this weekend and while touring around, I got to watch Occupy Portland march. They had a hundred or so and were watched by about 15 police including 4 mounted on horses. I got to chat with the officers and thank them for keeping it peaceful and they were beaming. By the way, none of them were fat! NONE! So city police units can have weight limits even if not written in the union contract. All the officers looked sharp and they were all different age ranges. The oversize girth of Ramos and Goodrich just shows an organization run by who you know, not based on quality.
As long as an organization in Portland has a parade permit, the police told me they were basically there to protect even the protestors. Part of the job.
Sorry you feel that way, what can I say.
Proud of what I did, NO. I live with that memory EVERYDAY even if it’s for just a brief moment.
The whole stituation started over him and his friend stealing a case of beer from down the street. Simply things do escalate quickly sometimes.
I will say, I too had many regrets killing that guy. I was relieved to find out that this guy I had killed, just 2 days prior, had SHOT and STABBED an man along some railroad tracks who was STILL in the hospital recovering from his wounds.
I was hoping there was something about this guy other than the fact he was just having a bad day.
Yes I fought this guy toe to toe. He was under the influence of alcohol and methamphetamine. His blood alcohol was .14% at the time I was PUNCHING it out with him. HE WAS NOT feeling any pain.
He got knocked down twice and sprung right back up like nothing had happened. NO TASER or pepper spray then. April 1994.
He had a friend standing near by who I had to be mindful of, and watch my back while attempting to take the other into custody.
He went over and picked up a Bmx bike he had been riding that was laying near by. He raised it over his head and charged me not once, but 3 times striking me twice.
I was running out of steam and still NO BACK up had arrived.
So I pulled my service weapon and fired once from 7ft away. The suspect went down. I immediately called for medical aid and a supervisor.
From the moment of contact to the shooting was 1 minute 35 seconds. I had called for back up at the 20 second mark.
My closest back up was 3 minutes 10 seconds away. There were at least 10 units coming to my aid.
So if I am a pig for all that OKAY!!!
Forget about that comment. That was hateful.
Details do matter. The only story we got on iepolitics was that you shot a homeless man for throwing a bike at you.
No the guy was far from homeless, he turned out the be the neighborhood bully when the Homicide detectives went to his home.
His neighbors were glad to see him gone. He beat people up and stole like his was the neighborhood mafia boss.
Most of his neighbors were Hispanic and were not documented, so they kept quiet while this guy ran his own little criminal enterprise.
All after the fact information of course.
What you read over at the other place were cop trolls chiming in trying to be big and bad. They too were short on facts and courage.
They were just trying to piss me off.
A pattern you should clearly see Steve.
Points well taken. ACU, as you know people that analyzed your case after the fact had varying opinions. Imagine if your identical shooting happened in Fullerton right now? You think you would get a fair shake? Sad but you know the answer. They would want your balls cut off instantly.
I would have shot him too. I have no problem with what you had to do. No back up, it was your job, and your safety. Jeez, people what is wrong with some of you. What is ACU suppose to do? Hit the guy with a puff ball?
A man armed with a bike? Sad you must be a fat ass lazy pig. Shooting a man is the best you can do or were trained to do? And don’t tell us what a bad guy your victim was. You did not have that information when you decided to murder him. Do murdered a homeless man because you though he was using drugs. This war on drugs must end.
From what I know about Physics and Physioligy, a bike beats a knife in a bunch of ways, especially if I had a gun and was on duty.
What world do you live in? Go live in some other country for awhile. The middle east might suit you better. What a tree hugger you are.
Gee, Sick, did you comprehend anything written intervening your last comment? ACU responded to a simple beer theft and the suspect reacted like an uncontrolable animal. This was not the war on drugs, this was the result of the drugs plus alcohol.
All ACU would have wanted to do was to arrest this guy for petty theft, book him, let him spend his night in jail until he sobered up, and release him the next morning on misdemeanor bail. It was the suspect who wanted to make a life and death struggle out of it.
Cops are called to take care of out of control situations many times each night. They have to determine within seconds if they are dealing with a good citizen on a bad day or a seriously dangerous person who might this time have only committed a minor offense.
Basically, ACU agreed with you. He didn’t know who this guy was and did not want to kill him. He shot only once, while many cops will tell you that if you decide to shot, you should empty your weapon. He felt forced to defend his own life, and afterwards had the same doubts that you raise here. He killed a man. Were his insticts right, or wrong? Could he have handled it a different way? He did not have all of the facts up front but had to make a life and death decission in 99 seconds.
Finding out who this guy was vindicated ACU’s instincts in his own mind. He still had to go through the wringer for his decision.
Sick, your implied questions are valid and shared by ACU. I am not sure that your criticism at the endpoint is valid.
Leave throwing potshots behind. Let us throw in for arguement that the war on drugs should end. Should cops not respond to calls for petty theft? If you were in ACU’s shoes, with a suspect unreasonably trying to do you harm with a friend off to his side, what would you do?
Pursuant to the reasonable man theory, what actions do your education and training dictate?
ACU is attempting to come onto this website as a person who has done the job, made some of the worst decissions that a cop has to make, been judged, and in his view has been too harshly judged. In the process, he has a plethora of experience in how cops are educated and trained, disciplined, and represented by their unions.
He seems to be of the opinion, despite or because of his own experience, that the Kelly Thomas case represents an unecessary death and implies systemic problems in the Fullerton Police Department.
If you judge ACU’s actions as a cop wrong, I have no problem with that. If you disagree with the philosophy or tactics of law enforcement in general, I have no problem with that. But if you brush aside ACU as a “murderer” or put the decission he made in the same class as the Kelly Thomas killing, then you are just a fool.
That’ was the point Steve. Cops get send guess to the negative right away when they are good killings. Bad ones deserve it. Good ones don’t. Forces almost all police in shootings these days o medically retire. Sad.
ACU done good. He should be proud.
Tuco Nose. So does Reality Is.
The question in the heading was “What does $130,000 per year buy you these days?” I know Engineers with Boeing working on anti sub warfare get that amount. They do not receive the generous overtime and benefits and huge retirement package that Sgt. Goodrich receives. I know a civil engineer with 20 years experience who testifies in large insurance company cases pertaining to structural engineering that receives the same amount, but his retirement is whatever is in his 401k. No pension plan! Mediocre health benefits. So Sergeants do not have to have a college degree, that is usually reserved for Lt. and Cpt. positions.
This all tells me that 1. police are generally overpaid when the average cost per policeman in Fullerton including all benefits is over $140,000 per year including the recruits. The fact that switching to OC Sheriff can be done for 30% less tells me why there are two ex policemen on the city council Blankhead and McPension! Placed there by the police union to protect their overblown system. Sgt. Andrew Goodlie is a good example of the waste and inefficiency of this department.
Crazy huh Tuco. To think every cop in Calif makes the same or more. No wonder the sky is falling huh.
Average, 20 bucks per hr, high school grad, age 18-25, protects our country and freedom. Crazy huh!!!!! No perks…..
Thanks everyone for your comments.
Even you SICK, got to have one like you in every crowd, NO problem.