SHELTER FALLOUT
The County of Orange’s attempt to cram a permanent homeless shelter in east Fullerton across the street from single-family homes and an elementary school have taught us four things, so far.
First, it is very clear that no Fullerton elected representatives were told anything about this high-handed plan. Second, the County can do it with or without the City’s agreement. Third, nobody at the County gives a damn that they will be paying $3.15 million for a broken down old building that nobody knows the cost to make habitable. Four, the media will never report any of this.
As to the first point, here is a report about a meet and greet event by Fullerton Mayor Bruce Whitaker, who asked the County for a few weeks’ delay so that the City Council could learn just what the County has in store for us. Request denied.
And here is an e-mail we received from some local resident who says he has just started a petition to seek redress:
Subject: Homeless shelter
Hello!I’ve started the petition “Fullerton city council: Stop the County from opening a 24/7 homeless shelter at 301 S St College Bl” and need your help to get it off the ground.Will you take 30 seconds to sign it right now? Here’s the link:Here’s why it’s important:
This is a 29,000 square foot building that is located near an elementary school, park and houses. This homeless shelter will make Fullerton the dumping ground for homeless. Crime will increase and spread to the whole area. This deal is being done without much awareness from the public. A life long friend of County Supervisor Nelson stands to make nearly 100k from the deal. This is bad for North OC. This shelter will end up looking like skid row in downtown LA where crime and drug use is rampant. Fullerton is not LA.
You can sign my petition by clicking here.
Thanks!
Well, good luck with that! Apparently the County can do whatever it likes and your County Supervisor isn’t interested in your opinion.
It’s all about Nelson throwing his weight around while trying to brown nose all the liberal who hate his guts. Disgusting!
It’s gonna come back you bite him in his fat ass.
Maybe Shawn has decided that this partisan rectal felch session is not helping anybody. Dare I say Governor Nelson. He has just showed the world that he has what it takes to move to the next level. You should be praising this guy. All you Liberpublican felchers refer to him as a traitor. He’s shown himself to be a decent human being, much like Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani. Kudos to Supervisor Nelson for actually leading and doing the right thing in spite of having to listen to the bleating of the NIMBY, hypocrite FFFF noise machine (if I were Supervisor Nelson, I’d go find some better playmates).
Oh, brother. let’s take a horrendous decision and make it heroic. Are you his PR guy?
Speaking of felches it’s time for you to get back to work.
I think that some people actually enjoy having someone else impose their will on them without their consent.
This appears to be the case with John Ehrlichman.
Sheeple…sheep/people.
Fulletrton Lover, you don’t get it, do you?
Which part?
You’re all over the map.
A Michael Savage fan… He did invent the sheeple term, right?
I thought Tony B. who runs this blog and Shauwn Nelson where partners. I don’t understand these posts which seem to be against the shelter proposal.
Maybe Tonywill chime in ?
Chime in with what? He lives in Newport if I recall correctly, the shelter won’t encroach on his pad.
Homeboy lives in FTT.
Yeah, I bet. Right off Truslow?
Close, Elm.
He lives on ash. 3-4 houses west of arco.
That’s right Ash
Just goes to show you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
I stand corrected. I’m trying to remember if I read that or it came up in conversation? My apologies. Who wants to live in that snake pit Newport, anyway?
I am confused. Is this property in question located within the city limits of Anaheim? Please clarify.
Does it really matter? Either way it’s a flop house for those that can’t even be accountable for themselves.
An awfully harsh statement, when you consider that most of us are at most 3-4 paychecks from living in the homeless “flop house” center too. Are you so perfect that you have the right to judge?
The Bible says:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31-46
You’re scary Leroy.
You don’t have to be scared of me… I’m not the Lord.
Save the bible-beating LeRoy. A bad decision can’t be propped up by the Good Book. This shelter scam is a disaster in the making. A sinkhole for untold millions. You’d be better off just handing every homeless person in north OC a check for $1000.
Government should be judged by accomplishments, not good intent. Nelson should gamble with his own money.
No. It’s in Fullerton.
Some of the confusion may be due to the fact that 301 S. State College in Fullerton is north of 301 N. State College in Anaheim. Orange County excels at that sort of numberplay.
It’s only confusing to the mentally challenged.
Would you like me to explain more thoroughly why average people might expect “south” to be south of “north”? I do feel your pain, though.
Maybe because they know the that Anaheim and Fullerton are two different cities.
Diamond is a real card, ain’t he? 😀
And in most places, even in Southern California “being different cities” doesn’t mean that you whipsaw between “South” and “North.” It’s ridiculous. OK, let’s look at Google Maps for an example.
Let’s take Euclid St. It starts down at Ellis and continues northward as “Euclid” until it passes Edinger, whereupon it becomes “S. Euclid.” A mile north, at Bolsa/1st, it becomes “N. Euclid” — but only for a mile. At Westminster, it’s back to being “S. Euclid” again. It then continues as “S. Euclid” all the way up to Lincoln, where it becomes “N. Euclid” again. Whew! But then at the 91, it’s “S. Euclid” again. At Commonwealth, it becomes “N. Euclid.” At Batanchury, it’s “Euclid.” But wait — at Lakeview it’s both “N. Euclid” and “Euclid,” until at Imperial it finally becomes “Euclid” for good until … no, wait, at La Habra Blvd. it’s N. Euclid” again. It then peters out up in the hills and becomes “Hiatt.”
Meanwhile, the numbering careens back and forth at various of these name changes. Some people here must have lived in other parts of the country, right? You know that this is not normal street naming/numbering behavior.
If you are so confused you might want to consider relocating again.
Someone who is too stupid to find his way around a district has no business running for office.
Orange County Superior Court Judge William Froeberg departed from the midterm norm to give him the toughest allowable punishment.
Froberg, one of the county’s longest serving criminal judges, also mentioned that Rodriquez took a leadership role in the robbery
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/01/san_juan_capistrano_home_invas.php?ref=trending
I wonder if this Judge will be just as tough on the fullerton police involved in the KT matter.
Froeberg (like the rest of the of the Justices so far) does T-Rack’s bidding. So much for justice being blind. The scale tips so much to one side that it’s about to tip over.
I wish you NIMBY’s would crawl back under your rock.
Your sense of entitlement is sickening. Just because you live nearby does not mean the County or the City should do things to your liking.
Fullerton has something like 135,000 residents and this shelter *might* have an impact on, what, 1500 of you?
By the way, online petitions are a joke. They don’t work.
And it doesn’t mean they should do things just because they can. You must be one of those sad liberals who is gratified by expensive and hollow gestures.
And Fred, you must be one of those sad conservatives who had their collective asses handed to them last election cycle. The only concern here is the WIFM as it applies to the players in the transaction. That part, I agree, needs to be dragged into the light for all to see. There may be something, it may be nothing. The neighborhood is a zoning abortion and I would argue that the shelter would impact that area the least. It’s not like other Fullerton neighborhoods haven’t had to deal with urbanization over the years. Look at the expansion of the St. Jude Hospital campus, look at that shitty parking structure First Evangelical built.
The County, for once, is trying to do the right thing and now there’s pushback because the location isn’t 100% perfect. I have news for you, no location is 100% perfect. This will turn into a political football that nobody is going to want to touch and it’s going to be pathetic to watch.
Kelly Thomas’ death isn’t just a Fullerton Police Department issue. His death was politicized to bring about change in Fullerton’s government. Why the reluctance to try and at least fix part of the problem? The County is stepping up. Disillusioned ex-hippy’s slippery slope is a pretty normal response to something like this but that doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t change the level of need for a facility.
Why is there “need for a facility”? The so-called homeless get relief money, food from churches and non-profits (run on taxpayer money), disability, etc., etc., HUD apartments, and the right to panhandle and be publicly intoxicated and mentally ill.
Free housing won’t work here either: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/05/us/new-york-police-boots/index.html
The mentally ill should be in a hospital. The criminals should be in jail. Rusty Kennedy can take in a few!
We cannot make life perfect for everybody.
If you can’t “see” the problem, no explanation from me will shed light on it for you. Your world-view is part of the problem. You make a couple of great points but you contribute nothing of substance to the discussion. “Can’t make life perfect for everybody,” that’s brilliant.
Wouldn’t offering free housing to the homeless come under the concept of a ‘safety net’, perhaps to borrow a phrase from President Bush 41 it could come under being a kinder, gentler nation.
Wasn’t the catch phrase “compassionate conservatism?”
Read the link. The homeless NYC man had an apartment funded by taxpayer money and he chose not to use it. Some people choose this lifestyle.
And what makes you think an apartment would have changed Kelly’s outcome? Would he have even wanted one?
Give me one example of a city that gave free food and living quarters to the homeless and saw the homeless problem disappear.
PJ, I read the link. You’re taking one guy (and I’m sure there are more similarly situated) and drawing a general conclusion.
PJ, I think you can answer the question about KT. If KT was not at the Transportation Center that fateful night do you think he’d be alive or dead? I don’t know if a shelter would have been able to save him, it stands to reason that had he been in a place other than the FTC, he’d probably still be alive.
Go ahead pay for an apartment for a homeless person, no one is stopping you. Show what a kinder, gentler person you are.
Then give yourself a big pat on the back.
Kelly’s death was “politicized” by the liberals who refused to get their hands dirty holding the cops accountable. So they diverted attention to the need for a homeless shelter at any cost.
The thing was dumped on the neighborhood like a turd. Didn’t even tell the mayor. And that stinks.
John don’t believe the limousine liberal propaganda that anyone who opposes government works branded “but its for the children, now insert fullerton’s homeless,” is a NIMBYIST.
It will be cold and raining tonight and probably for the next three nights. Where will the homeless find shelter from this storm this week-end in soft hearted Fullerton?
The homeless need shelter now not after lengthy contractual negotiations between government entities and private sector to approve purchase, renovations, meet building codes, overcome the numerous time consuming hurdles that are the norm when another monument to our politicians is erected to remind us, the people whose taxes pay for these monuments, that we need the government more than they need us.
My point is would it not better serve the homeless and the conscience of the good people of Fullerton if small, empty stores or vacated businesses around Fullerton, where the homeless are known to congregate, with a bathroom or two were rented out for a week, or even a month that would provide shelter for the homeless while the weather is bad.
I always see homeless under the freeway overpass at Magnolia near Orangethorpe. Around the corner from them on Orangethorpe are strip malls with empty stores.
if they county of Orange is willing to waste 3 million tax dollars and at least a year or two constructing a big box homeless shelter, why can’t the city and county agree to spend our tax dollars wisely and just rent temporary shelter now, next week, next month?
Sad liberal? No, not me.
I think the shelter at the proposed location is poor thinking, but it’s not for NIMBY reasons. The author of this post is not criticizing the shelter on its merits, but is whining from a NIMBY platform.
Big difference.
Me a NIMBY? I don’t even live near there! But I object to a high-handed County move, over-spending for a run-down, uninhabitanle building and the location next to a school and a neighborhood. The tax-paying businesses next door will be put out of business.
If all that makes me a NIMBY, OK!
Live there or not, you’re still perpetuating the same NIMBY mantra. I do agree with you on the spending part though. Way too much money.
With virtually no open space left, any place you put the shelter is going to be near one of Orange County’s 600 public schools OR a neighborhood. What part of that don’t you understand?
And what makes you so sure this will harm the adjacent business owners? If they offer a superior product or service, the mere placement of a homeless shelter nextdoor should not have an effect. There’s a couple restaurants there. Who knows, maybe the shelter will buy food from them?
That’s BS. There are still lots of vacant lots and empty buildings in industrial zones all over north OC. Check out the 75 acres between La Palma Park and Romnyea in Anaheim. And there are already hundreds of homeless who hang out there.
But THAT would be in holy Anaheim!! Can’t have that now, can we?
And now:
“If they offer a superior product or service, the mere placement of a homeless shelter nextdoor should not have an effect. There’s a couple restaurants there. Who knows, maybe the shelter will buy food from them?”
That is so fucking stupid that it doesn’t even deserve a response.
It does look like the height of stupidity to buy a building that can’t house anyone without new plumbing, heating, flooring, electrical, a kitchen, lots of bathrooms, showers, and of course lots of security to police the the prople living there.
But I’m not saying anything new.
What’s wrong with NIMBY? People have a right to fight for their neighborhoods.
Giving people just enough to exist does not help them. The govt giving welfare and section 8 housing to a whole generation of young people keeps them dependent on handouts and they never develop a work ethic. This county is going to end up last in everything. When we give every child an award just for showing up and reward people for failing. Time to start focusing on our future and not on people who have given up on life. We shouldn’t be spending millions on a homeless shelter but on our school system. We are headed towards a nation of ignorant obese people. Time to cut our losses and focus on the future. We have become soft as a nation. If you’re so worried about the homeless, go bring one into your home and live with him. Better lock up your valuables.
okay, here is my cynical observation kicking in again when it comes to our public servants who vow to represent and protect our interests as defined within the Constitution.
Orange County Supervisor Shawn Nelson last year wanted to end funding for Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission. Instead Nelson managed to cut $50,000 from this nebulous commission’s budget.
This cut was followed with statements that further cuts to this commission may need to be made based on OC County’s revenue woes.
How odd, that suddenly Nelson and Kennedy collaborated, without the public’s knowledge, to facilitate creating a large homeless shelter in Fullerton by first purchasing an empty furniture store on the outskirts of Fullerton.
Where was the survey or other conscientious assessments by OC supervisors or Rusty Kennedy and his Fullerton Homeless Task Force that showed a plan to concentrate a large number homeless into this specific building was the best way to aid the homeless?
In essence, what research was done prior to Nelson and Kennedy pushing through a three million tax dollar purchase of this building. and if it was done, why was this research not presented to the public so to persuade the public this was effective use of tax dollars?
My suspicion is Rusty Kennedy does what he is told to do by Shawn Nelson in exchange for Nelson’s okaying continued funding for this commission.
For those who wonder what Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission does for the good people of the OC? It acts as a as a “clearinghouse” and “mediator” for OC’s communities” complaints of civil rights abuses committed against them by their law enforcement agencies.
Rusty Kennedy’s hometown is Fullerton and his colleague on this commission for long-time was Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley.
so how come rusty and his commission never knew about all the civil rights abuses his colleague’s police force inflicted upon the good people of Fullerton?
and as stated in the Fullerton resident’s rallying call for honesty from our civic leaders, who is lifelong friend of shawn Nelson who stands to profit from sale of this building?
“who is lifelong friend of shawn Nelson who stands to profit from sale of this building?”
What are you talking about, van? Please be more specific!
Cameron Irons
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-383529-shelter-fullerton.html
It should be noted that the contract for the realtors services, was a “sole source” contract with the county of orange
This means that only one person/realtor was was allowed by law to fulfill this contract.
Cameron Irons
Audra Fishel
Policy Advisor/Director of Communications
Office of Supervisor Shawn Nelson
Fourth District/County of Orange
Phone: (714) 834-3440
Fax: (714) 834-2045
Audra.Fishel@ocgov.com
Fullerton Lover, thank you for the link. I just sent my email off to Supervisor Nelson thanking him for the courage he has shown to tackle a difficult issue instead of deflect it like so many others in positions of power do.
“A life long friend of County Supervisor Nelson stands to make nearly 100k from the deal.” copied from the petition posted above
3.15 million bucks? Jeez, that’s a shitload of socks!
Just talked to a construction friend. He says it will cost at least five million to turn this into a homeless shelter with ADA compliance and family rooms, showers, kitchen, etc.
So we’re pushing ten mil and nobody has a clue how much it will cost to run.
Has Nelson changed party registration? Seems more like a Pam Keller concept.
LMAOF!
How much is the realitor making off this, 150 thou? A boat load of sox…good work OC giving the rich more money at the expense of those who dont have the luxury of a padded by the people bank account
Who originally held the deed to this property? Who profited from this gross misappropriation of city funds?
And whats up with the NAzi number count they are doing today? If you answer their questions you get a gift card, for 5 bucks. So if you offer up every thing you now you get 5 bucks- become an informer for DIcapprio..isnt that special? THe last time they made list people were moved to ghettos, then camps. Just sayin
This should explain a few things: Question,”Is it a conflict of interest to be on the planning commission at the County of Orange & get this deal as a sole source?”
Cameron Irons’s Overview
Current Planning Commissioner at County of Orange
Partner at Nieuport 17 Restaurant
Board Member at Fullerton Chamber of Commerce
President at Iron Investments Inc.
President at Vanguard Commercial
President at Vanguard Investment Properties
Past President/Owner at Chomp Sushi and Teppan Grills
President/Owner at Rockin Taco Cantina
Real Estate Acquisition at 3M
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Education Arizona State University
California State University-Fullerton
I am saddened to see Shawn Nelson fall so low as our public official.
I hope Mr. Bushala finally realizes that Mr Nelson is not good for Fullerton nor Orange County.
A politician who only cares about power and money will never be a good representative of the people.
Sat Feb 02 2013 at 02:00 pm
Fullerton Transportation Center
Time for thermals! Brrr! Cold nights now and some cold days. Thermals (tops and bottoms) are the special request for our February event. Remember, food and clothing are regular requests every month.
http://allevents.in/Fullerton/People-Helping-People/160117297445887
Here’s a thought, what if these good for nothing bums used their drug money for thermals?
Oh how bitchala and his cronies have fallen!!! We get one blog maybe every other week, no more words of wisdome from the self proclaimed king of Fullerton and his jesters Kiger and Thompson. Oh how sweet it is!!!!
Credit where it’s due: that is one kick-ass story headline. Kudos.
So can we please stop kidding everyone about his true nature?
http://www.ocweekly.com/2013-01-24/news/moxley-confidential-kelly-thomas-fullerton-police
Yes, it was mostly his illness, but the same could be said of many violent people.
What that proves is that the Fullerton cops knew Kelly very well indeed.
and possibly a motive to get rid of him once and for all
Nobody had to get rid of Kelly. He was a goner all on his own.
If the FPD didn’t finish him off that night then Kelly wouldn’t have needed me.
Kelly was gonna need you sooner or later. One thing that Richard Jones was right about was that those injuries were not fatal; T-Rack just orchestrated it to look that way. He wants to win at any cost. T-Rack is as dirty a player as they come.
All that blood in his lungs just got there by happenstance. The fact that Cicinelli pounded his nose into his brain case had nothing to do with it. It was all a big accident.
You will hear in court that the internal bleeding was caused by Kelly having “airborne ebola”-yes defense plan b after the “parmedics” killed him argument fails. More on to this come. Stay tuned.
Kelly was just another no good drug addict who would rather live on the street than have to follow any sort of structure or rules. To the PD’s everywhere he was just one of many. The Supplementary Report that was edited by the OC Weekly was only recently compiled.
I didn’t know that homelessness was a crime. Punishable by death.
Actually in a way it is. Someone who like Kelly is homeless for a long stretch of time ends up with a lot of peculiar ailments and does more damage to their body than most people can imagine. In Kelly’s case he was one F’d-up mofo. Hopefully the coroner will someday have the courage to release all the facts not just what T-Rack wants her to.
Too bad Kelly was clean. The Coroner said so. I wonde if we can say the same thing about ramos, Wolfe or Cicinelli.
The Coroner says anything T-Rack wants him to say.
The Coroner is a woman, you ignoramus.
There were two coroners who did the autopsy. Why didn’t they both testify? Because Singhaia is T-racks pawn. We will hear from the other coroner, which says the opposite of the one that testified.
No it goes to show you that Fullerton is infested with homeless they don’t know who is who. Think bout it people. Do you think the cops would be wasting their time trying to figure out who Kelly was. They are tired of dealing with homeless. DeCaprio hated and was tired with the homeless also. But now he is the patron saint of the homeless..lol!
I think both sides politicized it, but for different reasons. I think the liberal response was to deflect blame away from the PD and the conservative response was to hang the PD. Seeing the Fullerton Three go to prison is not satisfying, making an attempt at fixing the conditions that homeless people routinely face is more satisfying. Will every homeless person welcome the help? Probably not. Not telling the Mayor of Fullerton that you just volunteered his City for a shelter, definitely not cool, it is what it is. Runningair is absolutely correct, there is no good location. That does not mean it shouldn’t be built. Fullerton is NIMBY. History speaks for itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcvi732KdIw
what a complete twat, does she not know that pauley that freak of nature was asking citizens to hope and pray her sons came home from war to kill american children…GREAT WORK CHRISTINE, and thank you GOP for having her, no other parties really wanted her…is there a word called republicanny? Jesus- her mom should have swallowed.
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Possession of less than 1 oz of marijuana by driver
Uh Oh Ms Walker- you at city council talking about a stoner, but I looked you both up, YOU are the only one with the record. And seriously you have a restaining order from your past employee, currently, and you are suing the one before that. My word. Ms Walker, you are a fraud.
this is her court papers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ea-YdrC6Y
ask this woman how many branches of govt there are, or for that matter who is in charge of the Fed. This is hysterical. Jan Flory and Fitzy here is your go to girl, Kellys army retard.
What a freakin nuts!
Yes I agree, BUT, she speaks out in person. That is more than the rest of us do. We all hide on a blog. So I have to respect her, for putting herself out there. Unlike the rest of us who hide behind the blog.
Of course she speaks out in person; Christine wouldn’t have it any other way. She a classic case study of narcissism.
Would you put yourself out in front of a camera and look like a fool?
No because its not about me and unlike Christine Crack-head I have a life.
Did anybody notice, that the homeless shelter would not be able to take place, until after the rail underpass is completed? I think we are looking at approx. 3 yrs at least. Placientia and Kreamer are still under construction. Things might change by then. OC knows buses will not be able to travel down St. College during construction. I think this is all a big joke, money maker for somebody.
It’s been a BIG joke. Ohhhh poor little drug addict alcoholics who don’t have a place to crash out because they would rather spend their money on their vices than for a place to live and food to eat.
Any when they have wasted their brain away they are classified as mentally ill. Give me an eff-en break!!
M & M, have a blog party….No logic between the two of you.
Maybe it’s your idea of a party but its not mine. And you are one to talk about logic.
so, if construction of a rail underpass will grossly interfere with traffic in fron to the strip mall that houses the empty furniture store, then no one for the next two to three years would rent or buy this store if their customers were impeded by prolonged road construction that would deter many customers.
Now, I understand the odd , rapid push to purchase an empty store with the plan to eventually turn it into a homeless shelter.
This shelter may never materialize though tax dollars were used to purchase it.
I can imagine the humantarian conversation used to purchase of useless property by the OC county.
Shawn Nelson “Rusty Kennedy, get over here now!”
rusty: whats the matter boss? Please, don’t cut more county funding from my human rights commission.”
Shawn: “then you better publically support the purchase of an empty furniture store on State college so my friend , Cameron Irons gets a big, fat commission on this sale. ”
Rusty:”yes boss.”
Shawn: And tell that twirp Pam Keller to back this move or she will find herself ack in the classroom.”
THANK YOU, VAN!!!!! The purchase is a joke. It took 1 year to build the bypass on Placientia. Kreamer is just completly closed between Chapman and Orangethorpe. So if you look at the other areas that are building underpasses. That entire little strip mall will be closed for at least 2 years. And can’t start until they finish the Placientia underpass because that would make Fender with no way to access it. And Fender backs up to that neighborhood.
I just read Judge Froeberg’s denial to dismiss charges against Ramos and Cicinelli. He really exposed them for the psychotic, sadistic pieces of shit they are. I’m glad to see these cowards and their lawyer are going to be put in check when they try to claim they were just doing their job in court.
and who taught them that when you don a police officer uniform that makes they may act like “psychotic, sadistic pieces of shit”?
Spontaneous generation was disproven centuries ago, so Cincinelli, Ramos and Wolfe did not suddenly act like sadistic crazies that Fullerton PD could not have predicted or anticipated from these three men.
Fullerton PD’s present and past leadership is still culpable for the actions of these three officers.
Somewhere these three men were taught they may break the law to enforce the law.
The “culture of corruption” did not spontaneously arise from the collective unconscious of Fullerton’s community. It arose from its decades long corrupt leadership.
“The “culture of corruption” did not spontaneously arise from the collective unconscious of Fullerton’s community. It arose from Fullerton PD’s decades long corrupt leadership.
“Kelly was just another no good drug addict who would rather live on the street than have to follow any sort of structure or rules.”
Considering the number of alcoholic, wife-beating, civil rights violating, robbing, raping, murdering cops on the force in Fullerton, I think Kelly did a far better job of following the rules than your brethren in blue bud.
Wow. With friends like Shawn Nelson who needs enemies? He sure pulled a fast one on you Fullertonians, eh? Naturally, he doesn’t live in the area of 301 S. State College Bl., nor would his kids attend school any of the several elementary schools in the area.
Remember when he ran for office and told you that he was going to be the people’s supervisor? How did that work out? 😀
And it’s covenient that one of his homies will make $100 grand on the deal, eh?
Why do you people stand for this crap? Are you Stepford Citizens or something? Does Nelson have you under his spell? He’s filling your nest with USDA approved horse manure and making YOU live in it!
How much is this going to cost your City in added police patrols and public safety?
The homeless will congregate in all the parks in Fullerton now. You won’t be able to take your kids to the park without walking over top of homeless people snoozing on the grass. All of the County’s homeless people will call Fulleton ‘home’! 😀
You should be up in arms over this? What’s wrong with you? Have they put something in your drinking water other than higher taxes??? 😀
Pitbull, its called desperation. We, the good people of Fullerton, are starving for representation in our government. When Shawn Nelson talked of being for the people, it was like throwing crumbs to the starving.
He was the only one who even came close to promising he would protect and represent the interests of Fullerton’s community.
yes he does near there,been there four times,what a maroon.get yer facts straight. He lives in the hood.with the people that come to your house and do gardening.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-408941-costa-mesa.html
I don’t think think the Jury will buy the DA’s contention that it’s OK to resist if you think the officer is using excessive force. It’s been set up to fail and everybody comes out looking OK. The extent of the injuries won’t come into play in deciding whether the cops go to jail.
Might be right if there was no video, DAR audio, and witness and police testimony.
Conviction isnt everthing, at least the FPD brass and malfeasance, are being punished, and watched by the Feds News, and Worlds Citizenry.
“Lawyers fees are the mothers milk of Policed Brutality!!!”
Police Union Lawyer fees.
I just think it’s a nutty contention considering the District Attorney’s Office are the ones who clear all officer involved shootings. I don’t believe for a second that EVERY shooting they cleared over the past, say, three years was a correct use of force. It’s pretty surreal.
LAPD did a survey on their homeless. At least 25% were not homeless; they chose to hang in Skid Row because of the drugs, alcohol and crime available there.
Has anyone bothered to survey our homeless?
75% is a good start, worthy of effort. This is a difficult issue, no doubt. I’m pretty cavalier about it because I feel strongly about the subject matter. You’re not going to help anybody off of the streets without some sort of stable living situation. We all know that there is going to be a sub-group that doesn’t want help, that shouldn’t be a deal breaker in helping those that actually would want and benefit from some sort of assistance.
They don’t dare, they don’t want to know the FACTS. They would rather romanticize the whole homeless thing and make them out to be victims.
OPEN your eyes people! Why reward mediocrity and a chosen life of drugs and alcoholism?
Drugs and alcohol are bondage and not a choice. You and members of your Drosophila family must not understand this. The booze is designed and blended by 180 IQ chemists to create physiological and psycholgical dependence and the proprietary ingredients get to keep their identities private. The drugs are much the same shipped in by the government to create the chaos out of which comes the justification for draconian control over our lives. What you myopically refer to as a choice couldn’t be further from the truth. These people need help.
It’s all just an EXCUSE not to hold people accountable for their decisions. With enablers like you the homeless dross will continue to multiply.
Senor o Senora Mosca the next time you walk into a glorified liquor store such as Ralph’s or Trader Joe’s, pull a jug of that rot gut right off of the shelf and look at all the occult symbolism plastered all over the bottles. Tell me what all that symbolizes and why are there no ingredients listed on the bottle? The real reason the numbers are climbing is that the silent pulpits don’t stand against spiritual warfare being waged in our faces. The dross you refer to are merely the casualties.
I’d love me some hooch right about now.
enjoy
You bet I am cause I ain’t drinking truthseeker’s Kool-aid.
Ingedients? It’s all the same stuff: ethanol, water, and some coloring.
Not even your run of the mill soda pop is that simple. The fact is there are a wide array of chemicals present aside from the ethanol. The highly addictive components are added AFTER the distillation process. It is the very same premise that big tobacco uses to keep you hooked all the way to smoking through your tracheotomy, you will drink until it kills you. Alcohol ALWAYS ends up controlling the consumer EVERY time.
Who’s bullshitting who? Deflecting and ignoring problems is how Fullerton got into the shape it’s in now. Supervisor Nelson should be commended for at least the desire to confront the issue head-on and trying to do something about it. “Nothing” isn’t an acceptable solution anymore.
We’ve listened, ad nauseum, about the fabled “Culture of Corruption.” It was aided and abetted by the neglect of “The good people of Fullerton,” as Van likes to refer to the populace. If you want to solve, or at the very least address, problems you’re going to have to get your hands dirty. ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, BUT NONE OF YOU WANT TO DIE. Shame on the shitbirds that make flip comments that Supervisor Nelson “has switched parties.” He should be applauded for making the effort to DO SOMETHING. Sitting around and complaining, as well as deflecting, won’t solve a thing and nothing will ever change. It’s time for action, folks and not just political action. Politics is the source of a lot of the problems we face today and it’s counterintuitive to think that politics will be the solution.
Politicians are politicians. They is something in it for Nelson besides making his life long friend 100k. Probably know some contractors too that will do the retro fitting on the building.
John, we are good people.
Incredibly, you assume that decent people should suspect their community’s police officers are sexually molesting female detainess in their squad cars, engaging in perjury, false arrest, excessive force, suspicious jail suicides and beating deaths of mentally ill homeless.
You said “paralysis by analysis” would be detrimental to the homeless if people did not wholeheartedly support this choice of location for a homeless shelter.
This is not an accurate description of the events unfolding around the rapid push to turn an empty furniture store into a big box homeless shelter.
After the announcement the empty store on State College blvd. would serve as a shelter, the public was made aware that at this same location a railroad underpass would begin construction which would prevent this shelter from serving the homeless for at least two years.
John, you accuse the good people of Fullerton of paralysis by analysis?
I accuse Shawn Nelson of entering hyperspace negotiationsto get 3 million tax dollars to make this bizarre purchase.
If you really are worried about paralysis by analysis , why not support the idea of renting out empty stores in the ubiquitous fullerton strip malls starting now to provide at least a roof over the homeless.
Van, how’s the new Council majority working? How’s the search for a new Chief coming along? How’s the bid for OCSD police services coming along these days? The only thing that’s come to fruition is the three officers in the dock who may or may not go to jail.
Van the acceptance doesn’t need to be whole-hearted, grudging is good enough.
The Three Dinosaurs are gone. The Repuglican grip on Fullerton is ended.
The FPD has been revealed as Cesspool Culture of Corruption. The FPOA has been exposed as the self-serving cover-up criminal conspiracy it is.
The illegal 10% Water Tax has been ended.
OCSD is still very much in the picture.
Chief Danny will be implicated in one or more abuse cases by Mardirossian.
I’d say the jury is still out on whether there even is a council “majority.”
Excellent point Van. Judging by the way the FPD mishandled Kelly Thomas’s murder and has looked the other way toward other crimes committed by officers I wonder if the higher ups purposely foster an environment of lack of accountability when it comes to mistreating potential “suspects.” You have to wonder if the women Rincon raped had been charged with any crime or were just innocent citizens like Kelly Thomas. Since the leaders at the FPD refuse to address the corruption in their department I have to assume they accept or even condone crimes against the public.
City and county leaders are moving forward with plans for Orange County’s first permanent shelter for the homeless. Arti Nehru reports.
http://video.pbssocal.org/video/2328710529
This new shelter won’t solve the homeless problem. It will provide relief the the armory which is too small and is used for the purpose it is there for so everybody has to be out by 5:am.
An emergency shelter in north OC is a necessity. How it will be handled and used is another story.
Mosca en la Pared…. just another version of “Reality is”?Does not seem to have a balanced view of the homeless……
Quote” They would rather romanticize the whole homeless thing and make them out to be victims.
OPEN your eyes people! Why reward mediocrity and a chosen life of drugs and alcoholism? ”
many of the homeless people do not use any substance whatsover. Many of the police officers do regularly, and even while on duty during lunch break in the downtown.Many of the homeless that do use substance are not even staying in the armory. They choose to be out on the streets year round. Just look around the wilshire marketplace area.
The new shelter will probably have strict guidlines like the armory does. It people are willing to wait an hour in line to sleep all lined up with little room to spare to keep warm , then it is a necissary building. Many homeless have had successful families and jobs at one time and lost when odds where against them.When thier cars got towed and they couldn’t afford the extreem towing fees for storage…( Why wouldn’t the police use those same funds to help get homeless back on thier feet but instead they chose to buy unneeded expensive rainjackets with that particular slushfund.Alot of people are talking about what they don’t fully understand…. Not to say that Rusty Kennedy who is paid to help OC’sdisadvantaged really understands any thing about the homeless either. But applaud should be given to those politicians in fullerton who have been out on the streets and tried to understand the homeless first hand.
That my friend is your choice.
You know my friend that you are correct about the evils of booze. When I was sent on that 70 mile walk through the desert and came upon that town, I chose a bottle of hooch before I drank any water!
Nothing like a few shots! Don’t believe me? Go to DTF Saturday night! Ask yourself, why more tickets are not given out to the patrons of the 53 hooch joints by FPD? Is that the new thing they call community policing?
It seems that the majority of people severely underestimate, or just plain do not realize exactly just how much more dangerous alcohol is compared to other drugs.
For example did you know alcohol is the sole drug that the user can actually die from the effects of withdrawal from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg
People that havent eaten for a while crave something sweet, probably for the quick energy.
Giving people just enough to exist does not help them. The govt giving welfare and section 8 housing to a whole generation of young people keeps them dependent on handouts and they never develop a work ethic. This county is going to end up last in everything. When we give every child an award just for showing up and reward people for failing. Time to start focusing on our future and not on people who have given up on life. We shouldn’t be spending millions on a homeless shelter but on our school system. We are headed towards a nation of ignorant obese people. Time to cut our losses and focus on the future. We have become soft as a nation. If you’re so worried about the homeless, go bring one into your home and live with him. Better lock up your valuables.
We’re already spending millions on our school system, it’s going to salary’s, retirement, and perks. We’re already a nation of ignorant people.
Spending more on education only benifits the already overpaid teachers and administration.
LeRoy, valid statements on all points. What are we going to do about it? We’re all great at identifying problems but we really suck at solving them (myself included). This blog is a really great thing, but we’re just spinning our wheels if we can’t cobble together solutions other than let’s put heat on the PD (deserved in some areas) and recall some Councilmen. I’m an eternal optimist, I think there is some brain power on this blog, we just have to harness it to a productive end.
Give up then. Put a bandaid on the problem I guess.
this homeless shelter is supposed to be more like an intervention center. People that use services there should expect to be serious about getting help. There qualification to stay there should be based on their participation in classes or the learning of job finding skills.This center is not just for fullerton but for Orange County. Its in a good location if it is a intervention or rehabilitation facility as it is located up the street from continuing education center and other institutions of education.
“There qualification to stay there should be based on their participation in classes or the learning of job finding skills.”
Remember CalWorks. The Rand think tank concluded after a decade of CalWorks that “non-compliance” had made this state sponsored welfare to work program a failure.
the “non-compliance” identified by Rand thaink tank was a euphemism to say that millions of tax dollars had been given to welfare recipients to give them job training only to have these same persons never apply for a job, even when CalWorks set up the interview for them, or after a week or two, these welfare recipients would refuse to return to their job.
That is not realistic. Do you think the cities that want to dump their homeless off at this shelter are going to make sure they are the good homeless that want to better themselves. Nope. Drop them off in Fullerton and hope they don’t find their way back to our city. Its gonna be the skid row of orange county.
http://www.lachamber.com/clientuploads/LUCH_committee/102208_History_of_Skid_Row.pdf
This what people want in orange county.
I guess the good thing about a skid row in the OC is that the Bible thumpers wont have to travel all the way to LA to make themselves feel better about their comfortable lives. This video is a pretty good look at what State College will be like. Remember, LA has hundreds of free beds but the streets are still full of homeless.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=2cP7w9q1LG0
Working stiff, most people, hopefully, can see through the NIMBY shit you’re trying to pull. You’re perfectly normal, though. I understand your fears, my fear is that not making the effort will put us into a worse position than we already are in now.
Wow!!! The level of selfishness I’m seeing here is astounding.
Agreed.
I bet your buddy Rusty ‘Fusty’ Kennedy is all in for this homeless shelter, isnt’ he?
I wonder where Fusty lives? Anywhere close to 301 S. State College Bl???
Figure the odds.
Fusty will hand the City of Fullerton a new rope that it can hang itself with! 😀
no, he lives 4 miles from the shelter in the hills of Fullerton
And he makes $200,000 a year ferreting out a couple dozen “hate crimes” a year and running cover for killer cops. Nice.
NIMBY and proud of it. You call it selfishness I call it living in the real world. Please leave your house every once in a while and experience the real world. Every major city I visit has a horrible homeless problem and its getting worse. We need to focus on keeping kids in school and off drugs. If we don’t then you wont be able to build enough homeless shelters. This is just another way the govt is keeping its people dependent on it.
Scary Bible thumper.
1. No elected officials live near State College to my knowledge.
2. Nelson said he lived three doors down from the Armory, that is true but it was across the street and three doors down.
That street being Brookhurst.
3. The “homeless” will need a reason to change where they are now living. What would that reason be?
4. Has Rusty Kennedy or Pam Keller ever had a real conversation with any of Fullertons homeless? I don’t believe so or they would understand what the word “home” means to the homeless.
You may build it but they do not have to come there!,
Digging, the supes will give them an incentive to move to the Fullerton shelter just to move them away from Civic Center so they don’t have to look at them. If they are going to spend $3.15M to buy the warehouse and spend 100’s of thousands to renovate it and turn it into a shelter – you’d better believe that they will give Orange County’s homeless lots of incentive to move there.
You don’t seem to understand how these people work.
It’s going to be a 2 to 3 year wait, for the shelter to open. By then things will change. I see the homeless line up for the 6am bus every morning on Brookhurst. I have know idea where their going, but they are south bound.
They take them to the Casinos every morning and bring them back at night.
twenty years ago, I had to go to the Santa Ana civic center.
As soon as I stepped out of my car, the stench of human feces greeted me.
Can’t the OC’s county government at least set up some port-a-potties in this area?
Hundreds of thousands? Try ten million bucks. Which of course reinforces your point. The other supes must be giggling happily. They get credit with the limo-libs with no political fallout.
To Keller, Kennedy and their ilk the homeless are like hate crimes. Abstractions to be milked for tax dollars.
Abstractions, the homeless just numbers on white paper to justify to the city of Fullerton and the county of Orange their commission and collaboration must get tax dollar funding so they may do?
Since Kelly Thomas was beaten to death by Fullerton PD, has Kennedy or Keller demanded the Fullerton PD be held accountable for murdering Kelly Thomas ?
Kennedy and Keller never publically denounced Fullerton PD, instead they just reacted with sensitivity trainings, mind-mixer meetings and deflecting Fullerton PD’s guilt by finger pointing at Fullerton’s community accusing them of indifference to the plight of homeless.
Kelly thomas was beaten to death by fullerton PD because he was a pesky, homeless, schizophrenic.
Rusty Kennedy, the champion of the downtrodden, oppressed members of society via his Orange County Human Relations Commission, never screamed the beating death of Kelly Thomas was a hate crime.
Instead, he and then Fullerton city council member and recently retired Fullerton police chief and past member of Rusty’s commission,Pat McKinley, both recommended Gennaco to perform an investigation to determine a “culture of corruption” existed within the Fullerton PD.
The city of Fullerton , authorized by then Fullerton city council, including McKinley, paid Gennaco $160,000 tax dollars to change two letters to form a new word to describe the Fullerton PD.
Our $160,000 tax dollars bought the letters s,m.
Gennaco’s “investigation” changed Fullerton PD from being thugs to just smug.
From “culture of corruption”, Gennaco insulted the intelligence of fullerton’s community by claiming the Fullerton PD only guilty of “complacency ” not corruption.
The sexual molestations of female detainees in fullerton PD squad cars, perjury that sent an innocent man to jail, false arrest , excessive force resulting in broken bones, suspicious jail suicide and the beating death of homeless, malnourished kelly thomas only happened because fullerton PD were smug or as Gennaco would say, just “complacent” about the numerous civil rights abuses this police department committed against Fullerton’s community.
We, the good people of Fullerton, deserve better public servants than Kennedy and Keller
First bridge to start on $600 million project to eliminate train crossings
Work to start soon on bridge to separate Placentia Avenue from the train tracks, Kraemer Boulevard, Orangethorpe Avenue, Rose Drive/Tustin Avenue, Lakeview Avenue, State College Boulevard and Raymond Avenue to follow.
http://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=6718
Never said that “good” didn’t come out of it. Just not enough “good.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/suspect_video_accused_beating_brutality_74I9LpYgOYPlQNDHBQw66N
Wow a lot of brutality. That what happens when you run from the police. They will be cleaed.
http://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
They cant be cleared the cameras got them.
The feds and news reporters have them “under a microscope” according to MCDANNY
McDanny! For the win!
So what, the camera caught the Anaheim cop that killed that kid and guess what happened? Cleared of everything…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_police_officers_convicted_of_murder
You are trying to compare this blog with the 3 officers charged? Weak…did you even read the website you posted. Good laugh for a Sunday afternoon.
Just saying cops do get convicted of murder. Ramos will be next.
Yeah cops who kill. These cops did not kill no one.
I’m sure Ron and King TyBush have this handled. Cause they care so much right? Of course.
Trial soon. Can’t wait. Good news!
Saw you sucking Dave Ellis last week-end at the gay bar in LB. Good stuff. hahaha!
It figures someone who has the gall to claim that three men caught on tape beating and suffocating an innocent man to death in front of eye witnesses “did not kill no one” would want to remain anonymous.
Luckily “anonymous” family members and friends of the murderers don’t make the laws. Hell Ramos, Cicinelli, and Wolfe can’t even enforce the laws anymore. And pretty soon the laws will not pertain to them. I wonder how they treat sadistic ex-cops in prison?
Unfortunately they retain their priviliges and are protected, not going into general population like any normal prisioner. So you’ll never know, but if they did go into general population they’d probably quickly find out how Mr Thomas felt at their hands, and feet and tazers, and batons, and sheer weight.
Brandon, thank you for making all the points I wanted to make, and probably making them better than I would have. If we do not know each other lets change that.
I see where this is going. Nobody wants the shelter in their neighborhood. At the very least, people should be pinning medals on Ramos, Cicinelli and Wolfe for at least dealing with Fullerton’s “surplus” population.
Hey pal the cops murder someone, the silent pillars of the community ram through the shelter location far enough away from their homes and their kids’ schools in secret in a deal that is all but a done one and you suggest medals for the SS officers-Sieg Heil!
Sarcasm. Especially effective tool when dealing with hypocrites.
Kelly got railroaded and ended up in the morgue and the shelter is being rammed down the neighbors’ throats. Both of these are a done deal and the input from the involved parties falls on deaf ears.
I just made the mistake of assuming the death of Kelly Thomas meant more than just a means to slam the FPD. Even in the off-chance that the officers do some time (50/50 optimistically), I thought there would be a groundswell of support to help alleviate the homelessness in general. I was wrong. There are no good places for airports, jails, high density housing developments, and yes, even homless shelters. If punishing the cops is the only thing to come out of this, we’ve lost more than you could possibly imagine.
Can the people have a say with their town and their tax dollars? Of course there are good places for those items. They are found by opening an honest dialogue with the public, the taxpayers, land and business owners and people that have EXPERTISE in the fields. Has any of this happened? I think not. Public notice in the form of some dribble in some ambiguous news print on the moon is what the residents got with the exception of this blog. Hell I get more notice from our City Government about “stroller brigade”. Government transparency has become an oxymoron. I can’t figure out whether our elected officials are simply morons or are just plain evil or even worse a little bit of both.
Both it seems, unfortunately. You might want to add greedy and control freaks too.
Punishing the cops? I think you meant to say JUSTICE.
There’s more to JUSTICE in this case than punishing the cops. I think we’re all aware of it.
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to speak directly to the supervisors who voted for the purchase of the homeless shelter on State College in Fullerton